fucking kill me.

>>2745682
Can't deny that you got better at drawing boxes though.

>>2745682
thinking about hanging yourself?

To spare your time: what you are doing is the easy and mostly pointless - drawing random cubes.

And this is where the /ic doesn't get the point of statements like "all you have to do is to draw boxes in perspective and you will become better."
Its not about drawing random boxes but drawing boxes around the objects (you have one thread like thst on ic where OP posted apple and people drew box around it). Only then that box has a purpose. And it has even more purpose, when you ROTATE the same box, with same object in any desirable view.

You can crank 100 random boxes in an hour, but you wont learn shit. But you can spend 1 deliberate hour for only one box, which actually has a purspose (object within a box) and where you actually have to THINK

>>2745686
Yes

>>2745687
So much this.

>>2745687
/thread

>>2745687
>I just wasted my time
Great now I feel worse.

>>2745702
No, you've learned a valuable lesson.

Practice with purpose.

>>2745702

But he is right

>>2745682
Most of those boxes are very distorted.

You gotta draw shit in the box, then rotate that shit, and then draw it from the perspective. now do that shit a hundred times

>>2745682

You know that what you did is pointless? You do, that's why you made this thread. Why would you draw all those boxes? There's no goal in it. IF you would rotate box around all 3 axis - ooh, there's a point in this.

Filling a curve with boxes? Also there's a point. Making boxy landscape in perspective? Bowl full of boxes? (maybe with shading from 1 light source?)

All good and dandy and I'd say nothing. But what's the point of you drawing fuckton of random boxes and getting bored halfway through?

Exactly. Your art will also be like that, as well your life. Kill you? I'm too disgusted to come a mile close to you. Kill yourself faggot, spare others the sorry sight that you are.

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Is this box drawing practice stuff supposed to be like this? Or am I missing it completely.

>>2745726
oh dear

>>2745726
Stop that. Learn some perspective, you dumbass.

>>2745702
>>I just wasted my time
welcome to art

>>2744914

Jesus, Did any of you people ever learn perspective? All vertical lines sit at the same degree. it doesn't make sense for one side of them to be tilted.

>>2745815
>perspective
what is that?

>>2745726
are those boxes owned by homeless?

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>>2745815
is this trolling

>>2745839
as long as the perspective is only 1 or 2 point, he's right

I'm doing something like this rotating human simplified skelleton. But I don't know if it's better to learn Loomis first or the construction like in Hampton's book.

>>2745722

This is a post that belongs in the cringe thread.

>>2745687

This is a good, badass post. Simple. To the point. Doesn't have to posture too much.

If you wanna bring the comparison around, >>2745722 is the post version of aimlessly drawing boxes without purpose trying to become a bad ass. >>2745687 is what you say and do when you're posting with purpose and know what you're doing. You don't need to be superfluous.

>>2745889
Your work won't suffer either way, but Loomis is more angled towards beginners.

>>2745687
So will copying the rubik's cube from real life work ? I downloaded a study where Kronepronz inserted it in the tutorial as reference

>>2745682
where do you live? i'd be glad to kill you, what the fuck is that

>>2745687

Follow this advice

this is an unecessary waste of time

NO WIRE HANGERS

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>>2745682
You'd be better off doing stuff like this

>>2745687
>Its not about drawing random boxes but drawing boxes around the objects

Could you elaborate?

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>>2745951
Not him, But it's something like this, to help you with perspective and shit.

>>2745902
Thanks anon!

>>2745896

You want to sound smart, but your post is still shitpost inflating the thread.

>>2745939

This OP, much more productive, especially if you would add some ground planes and/or stack boxes.

>>2745939
How do you know where to draw the vanishing points without guides?

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>>2745754
I know perspective. I was tilting the box and trying to match the wonky lines/shapes I drew. Doing foreshortening and stuff.
Evidently that was wrong.

>>2745836
Yeah.

>>2746060
im basically just visualizing them in my head, none of those are very accurate but they do the job good enough in my opinion

>>2745939
Are the vanishing points just anywhere on the horizon line?

Do I need to know perspective for figure drawing?

If yes: Why?

>>2745687
Can you share an example of what this would look like?

I wanna draw boxes gud

>>2745702
Got a little draftsmanship out of it.

>>2746075
in my example yeah, if that's correct use of perspective i dont know

>>2745959
Wow anon.

>>2746089
What kind of question is this? How would you NOT need perspective for figure drawing?

>>2745687
If you can't draw the object, you can't draw the box around the object.

>You can crank 100 random boxes in an hour, but you wont learn shit. But you can spend 1 deliberate hour for only one box, which actually has a purpose

Doing something wrong 10 times is better than spending 10 times as much time on doing something once. (Which will still be wrong) Repetition is the key to mastery. This is universally true in all fields, even non-artistic ones.

You are right that you need to THINK about what you're doing, and that random boxes are not the answer.

However, you should be drawing a lot of boxes and small, simplistic objects from life as well as studying how to place them in perspective before you moving onto the incredibly challenging task you suggested. I wouldn't recommend that to amateurs, and certainly not to beginners. Walk before you can run, crawl before you can walk, etc.

>>2745882

Except that one end is always going to be farther from you then the other. Guess what happens when two objects are of the same size but vary in distance?

>>2746141
You can have multiple vanishing points on a horizon line, but every pair has to be at the same distance to eachother I believe.

What is a good box exercise? Also when do I know that I "mastered" the art of drawing boxes? Like what should my goal be?

>>2745702
you are so dumb, you don't deserve anything else than that.

Please just teach me what exercises to practice so that I can properly draw a box from any angle I want

>>2745687
This.

The whole point of doing these is to learn and to force your brain into understanding how objects like cubes, spheres ect function in perspective and 3-dimensional space.

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>>2746895
krenz baby boy

>>2746897
horry sheeet

why did you do it? class homework? they made me do it in class last year

>>2746303
Milage is important, but so is the quality of traveling.
Obviously 100 carefully studied box is 100 times more benefitial than 1 carefully studied box but 100 randomly drawn boxes without purpose, each of them different and drawn wrong in term of perspective (which should me the main poin) can be less benefitial than spending that same time to carefully study and draw one or two box.
If you have study after Scott Robertson, Erik Olson etc. You know that it takes time and effort to draw a damn box and then push that study in sense of rotating that box, changing view point..

So there should me something between your suggestion and
>>2745687

This is example of studies that actually have a purpose abd you can tell by comparing his studies and OP' studies, who actually spend some brain energy to produce them
>>2746897

>>2746730
This is wrong

The distance changes depending on how close they are of each other and it also can be changed to determine if the shape is supposed to be a cube or another shape that does not have 90° angles.

>>2747019
So far in my experience, I think it would be good to do a combination of time-intensive singular studies, and several quick short-timed studies. But most importantly to draw things from life as much as you can.

I actually bought some wooden cubes from the craft store a month ago and have been just trying to draw those cubes. And because of my lack of skill and experience drawing from life (I had used to only do photo-studies that were suggested in the beginner thread), I would have drawn the cube 30 times before it even starts to look like it's facing the correct direction. Then when I slow down and try to really focus- I still mess up- but mess up less. It's was way way harder than I expected it to be. That Krenz shit looks amazing to me.

But I noticed in my regular studies, like practicing hands and stuff, I've actually gotten a little better at seeing, and I think it's the change in my study habits that have helped.

Can we get more quality box posts? Why are none of the Kernz tuts here?

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>>2747112

I post them quite often but nobody seems to use those.

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>>2747136

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>>2747140

Is the best way to practice to get a 3D program and then to try to rotate the box on paper and then check in the program if you were right?

>>2747194

I do that sometimes

>>2747194

That's basically using reference, so yeah. It'll give you a better idea of what things actually look like at least.

>>2747136

I like them, reminds me of Michael Mentler sketchbooks, he only ever did front facing diagrams with squares and anatomy though for drafting and proportion purpose, he used a bean shape to demonstrate drawing the torso in perspective which helped me a lot


I can draw satisfactory anatomy beans but foreshortening has always been hard for when dealing with the whole human figure in perspective, I'm gonna try to rewire my brain with these practice boxes because I am really rusty

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>>2746897
Holy Christmas I'm not sure I'll ever be able to do that

>>2747694
That's setting the bar a bit low.

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>>2745815
>>2745882
>All vertical lines sit at the same degree
>as long as the perspective is only 1 or 2 point, he's right

>>2747136
>>2747137
>>2747139
>>2747140
>>2747142
my god it's genius

>>2747694

Start with mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ektQPOQ9HeM

>>2747694

Try it and fail a few times. Don't worry about what it looks like. It looks way more complicated than it is.

You'll totally get it.

Like... It looks nuts but it's literally just boxes in space.

>>2748000

Thank you a lot, Anon. I am not that guy, but still.

>>2748000

Does anyone know what software Mark is using in his videos? That cut tool he is using to cut out shapes, is awesome, is it available on Photoshop?

>>2745682
Make me.

>>2748000
>>2748555

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCKnp1AHpoY


The tool he uses to cute shapes, from what software is it?

>>2748555
>>2748574

>I need that program to do that

Good luck with not gonna make it

>>2748577

I started drawing yesterday, at least tell me if Photoshop has a similar tool. It would be nice to experiment with shape instead of drawing lines.

>>2748579

Yes it has.
But lemme tell you something.
LOOK for shapes, but draw in LINES.
In this way you will understand lines too, not just shapes. You draw with lines on paper, not shapes.
So create shapes with lines -line tool/pencil.. not shapes

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>>2748574
>>2747694
krenz should be part of the sticky, i learned so much from him in 2 months then the 3 years ive been drawing. wish i knew this guy when i started.

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I do these kinda warm ups.

>>2748629
Hatching 101: it looks dumb if it doesn't either follow the form or stick to one blank diagonal direction.

>>2748633
Yeah it's fairly tacky.

>>2746065
s-stop

>>2748593
Do you have more links to krenz tuts? Who da fuk is this guy?

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>>2745722

Dude just fuckin chill. Damn pissed autists.

>>2746065
>i know perspective

>>2748727
http://cushart.deviantart.com/
https://gumroad.com/krenzcushart