/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

In early.

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Reposting

How's my construction?

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pear... deadass hard time understanding form T_T

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>>2735427
>Those chicken scratches
Rest seems pretty alright.

>>2735427
Check how the deltoids flex and get bigger (depending on how muscular one is) if the arm is raised. You just drew a straight line thinking that's how the arm looks at that angle (this rhymes with "jimbol krawing")

No leg bent at that angle has that much of a gap between hamstring and calf (her right leg).

The rest is okay but try to use reference next time.

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>>2735410

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>>2735410
zzz

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anyone got some tips for loomis?
I feel like I'm not understanding it.

>>2735525
go read fun with a pencil

>>2735528
What makes you think I haven't?

>>2735533
oh dear

>>2735534
'oh dear' doesn't seem like a very helpful response.
Let me rephrase, what gave it away in my post that i haven't read fun with a pencil so i know what to look out for when i do so.

>>2735538
Could you post your drawings that you did from fun with a pencil?
I feel it would be easier to point out what you are doing wrong

>>2735427
You should fix your inability to draw from your arm.
It's way faster to do studies when you can hit lines in 2 seconds.

>>2735548
read my post you replied to.
I haven't read it
I was asking what makes you think I haven't read it so i know what to improve and look out for when i do read it, sorry if i wasn't that clear

>>2735525
You need to do draw-a-box before you read fun with a pencil.

It'll fix everything wrong with your inability to comprehend what's going on.

http://drawabox.com/

>>2735553
>>2735551
>>2735548
>>2735538
>>2735534
>>2735528
You need to read draw-a-box, and then you need to go back and read fun with a pencil and then read the book you were reading again.

You're fucking up, and this guy is giving you stupid advice like a fuck-tard

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well, should i go and learn perspective now or keep drawing loomis faces?

>>2735562
You need to do both.

Check perspective made easy, or How to draw by Scott Robertson.

>>2735562
woops i forgot to move the ears a little bit

>>2735555
>>2735559
Thanks, atleast i have a sense of direction now

>>2735562
Also, your line quality is absolutely horrible. I can't tell if that's intentional though.

You need to learn how to draw from your arm before you do anything else:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

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>>2735553
Go read the fucking book you lazy nigger
We are not going to help you if just half-ass what we are telling you to study

>>2735569
>Half-ass

He doesn't have the basics of form down, and he likely won't have it if he reads fun with a pencil and simply imitates drawing what Loomis draws.

It's better for him to do a run through draw-a-box

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>>2735415
Are there any videos you could recommend help me,whats my most glaring flaws/stuff i should work on fixing and Are there any good videos about anatomy.

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is reilly method is meme?
i don't even figure out why invented this

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>>2735472
I used reference...

>>2735590
I don't think I can recommend you anatomy tutorials in good conscience. Your lines are scratchy, and I sense a total lack of form.

You need to get your fundamentals down before you worry about anatomy, which is totally dependent on your fundamentals.

You need to run through draw-a-box. I don't think you're even drawing through your arm.

After you get done with draw-a-box, you need to go do some gesture drawing, but only start that when your form is at a decent place.

>>2735590
Also, here are the teachers you're going to want to use once you finish draw-a-box

Start with Gesture

(I recommend the figure drawing book "FORCE by Mike Mattesi or Vilppu, but I also recommend the first chapter of Michael Hampton's book "Figure invention")

Then read figure drawing for all it's worth

Then learn anatomy with Michael Hampton

Then learn anatomy from George Bridgman

>>2735605
It definitely has creative merits but not enough in the sort of atmosphere that a beginner needs - refinement of technique/understanding of fundamentals. I feel that it could be of value something to be dabbled in once you're above /beg/-tier.

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man im addicted to the internet, i just keep mindlessly browsing with no real purpose instead of doing shit. i managed to not use the computer for 1 whole day last week and i drew a lot but then i got straight back on to it. deep down i dont want to be at the computer, but its like some kind of drug that i just cant stop taking.

I managed to stop playing videogames 24/7, i managed to stop looking at porn and fapping, i managed to stop watching twitch stream all day. But i just cant stop mindlessly browsing, even though it is pointless.

anyone else had similiar experience? how do i get it under control?

>>2735629
Get a tablet, then open photoshop instead of your browser

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>>2735629

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i dont know man

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Still struggling to capture the likeness

>>2735713
Pay more attention to the relationships and distances between the features. For example, in both your images you made the distance from the eyes to the bottom of the nose too long.

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is this what you call "muddy values?"

>>2735629
Change your 4chan.org bookmark to boards.4chan.org/ic/

A reminder that I should be drawing everytime I come here fucks me up everytime. Even if I start browsing I keep the /ic/ tab open, after a while I start to look into the drawthread and /beg/ and seeing everyone's progress makes me work. I recomend it.

>>2735559
>>2735619
>>2735555
>>2735551
>you can't draw from your arm
>form

what do these mean and how does drawabox helps?
also by going through DAB do you mean all the lessons or just the beginning?

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>>2735781
If you went through DAB all of those questions would be answered.

>>2735782
I did lesson 1 and 2 and the drills then switched to Keys to Drawing. Still don't know what he meant by that

>>2735783
can you do the circle on plane thing well every time?

>>2735783
Not him, but...
Learning to draw is work man, you can't just skip all the fundamentals and expect to be amazing even if you "only want to draw x"
or some other shit.

go to drawabox and do all the lessons and all the homework. Then once you've finished that go through Andrew Loomis fun with a pencil, THEN you should be able to start "specialising" in learning to draw what you want to.
But you never stop studying when you draw, you're constantly finding new books, new peoples works to study, new techniques and mediums to play with, to better express what you want to express.

Does anyone know a good book/tutorial/video about guache painting? I have a lot of books about drawing and I'm slowly going through them, but I'd like to start painting too, since it interests me more.

>>2735799
9 times out of 10

>>2735801
I didn't skip the fundamentals man I just changed my source of info. I'm learning fine with KtD

>>2735409
>10 2mm leads by Staedler cost 10 fucking euros
Are you kidding me fucking jews I swear

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practice head and face construction all the time, i think i finally get this.

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I refuse to believe people are able to do a full page decent straight line freehand

>>2735870
You're on the right track. In two weeks you'll be impressed with yourself.

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>>2735410
>>2735411

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>>2735411
>>2735413

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Ref from last beginner thread

>>2735908
The ear is a bit of and the neck looks like twisted rubber. Maybe work a bit on your rendering too. But you're getting there. Keep it up.

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>>2735619
>>2735625
Thank you i will take your advice and try again but are there any videos you recommend because im dyslexic and reading isn't always the best way for to learn things.
Heres something else i did from the last thread feel like the lines are less starchy.

>>2735946
Thanks bro. Yeah I should have made the neck more dark. How can I get better at rendering ?

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I need some input on my figure drawings
did each in 60s

>>2735711
Looks better than a lot of the stuff in the non-beginner threads.

>>2735629
You can't switch immediately to full wasting free time to king of productivity, but you already made some big steps. Try to think clearly of you objectives and how you can reach them and concentrate on them

>>2735981
female shoulders are narrower than that i think

I have a really hard time getting angles and proportions right. What exercises will improve these skills? Do pros use measuring too or do they get proportions correctly right away without objective tools?

Do i have to do draw a box traditionally?
I feel like I'm more inclined if i do it digitally

>>2735629
Damn, I know that feel. I'm getting pretty productive now though. But whenever I plan to watch just one video on youtube I end up binging random videos and waste 2-3 hours.

>>2735858
any advices, critique?

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hands. critiques?

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I understand the vanishing points but i don't feel like they're rotating, what did i do wrong?
Also does it matter how wide they are, i seem to always fuck up the width.

>>2736131
why are you using line tool

>>2736136
to understand 3D perspective, this isn't a line exercise

>>2736131
draw the other half of the cubes in. make them actual cubes. actually change the vanishing points. change the vanishing points uniformly.

>>2735858
stop making the ear before the jaw

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Could i get some feedback on this ?

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>>2736168
I'm shifting the vanishing points over a lot more than before and it's starting to rotate but it still doesn't look right.
The grey square in the foreground is too big

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>>2732672

How did I do?

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idk wtf went wrong it just doesn look right

>>2736208
Your construction and basic fundamentals

>>2736182
Work on your lines and on foreshortening.

>>2736190
This are big symbol eyes anon

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One of my rare shading attempts.

Learning is meant to be a grind so I'm fine with not having fun, but when does the fulfillment come in?

Will I ever make a piece and think "It was worth it"?

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>>2736243
Resizing screwed up

>>2736245
FUNdamentals

>>2736222
hue-ston we have a problem. Don't just use a darker value of the color you're shading but also shift their hues to a cooler tone.

Also don't use white as a background color. You want a scene or at least a neutral grey background, else your values will end up too light and the hues too desaturated. You don't want to just use mid-tones. They are boring.

Also take my words with a grain of salt, I never colored anything.

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>>2736256
Yet you seem to know more about it than I do, thanks.
I also agree with the midtone thing, I just did it because I saw otheres doing it.

>>2736245
Good for a beginner, but less chicken-scratching

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Tips?

>>2736209
ok im gonna look up what both of those terms mean, watch couple tutorials and try again

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIoTV_GnnEs
Mark is back with inspirational video

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>>2736306
Finished

>>2736352
At 6 minutes, what does he mean that he wasted 3 years of his life on poor documentation?

>>2736379
He probably followed /ic/ "advices".

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>>2736352
>he's back

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desu I am getting worse everyday. Two minute "gestures"

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>>2736358
Holy shit, it looks completely different with the chin fixed

So can I finally get some thoughts on this?

>>2736408
Just keep studying the human body and eventually you'll pick up on minute details that make your gestures more appealing.

>>2736416
he's missing a chunk of his cranium

>try drawing after I wake up
>drawing ability degrades by like 5 years
Why is it so hard for me to draw in the morning? It's like I either have to warm up for an hour and a half to get going or I have to start drawing near night time if I wanna be at my normal level. Anyone else have this or am I just autistic?

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Idk tried to do a spooky thing

>>2736352
Didn't he say he quit art a while back? Also he isn't really giving any new info, all he's saying is that you need to know how to construct 3d shapes to git gud, just like a 3d program would do. Also he says there's a lack of documentation on this but that isn't true either. Peter hands course pretty much goes over exactly this topic and some of the exercises he came up with himself are basically what peter han teaches. It feels like he's just really bitter cause he wasted so much time.

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ive been drawing over a year now. can I get some advice? I can't read books for shit its too boring. The excercises I do are drawing hands,feet,heads, poses from imagination and mindless doodling. Is there a picture book with construction drawings for the muscles and ligaments? Right now If i am having trouble drawing something I use this http://g.e-hentai.org/g/918898/11b7ec03cc/

Is there any good material on working with a tablet? I don't mean digital painting, I mean basic stuff like holding the stylus so your arm won't hurt in 15 minutes, Ctrl+Paint doesn't seem to cover it, or at least I can't find it there.

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>>2736440
Is it better now?

Last one, need to stop flooding

How can someone just clarify something for me?
>INB4 Lurk more faggit, piss off
Is this the thread where I can post my shit and ask for people to rip it to pieces/give me shit I need to work on that I might not of noticed?

I never went to artschool and got kicked out of art at school so I have no idea about the techniques and shit, also I haven't been on this board for a long time...

>>2736644
yes

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hi could i get a redline pleease thank you,

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>>2736758
not enough succ

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>>2736758

>>2735409
hey guys, I want your opinion, how can I improve myself.

also, any sugestion for drawing leather, I was trying to make an effect but damn I can figure it out that with a pencil in this draw.

>>2736769
just photoshop leather into the picture
fuck drawing

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>>2736769
damn forgot pic, my bad

>>2736772
proportions are way off my friend, the entire body looks like it's been put through a meat grinder. Work on those. As for leather, just use a ref. Find good pictures of leather and do some studies, then you can try to incorporate that into your own sketches.

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>>2736758
he needs to be cumming Cristal pepsi for realism

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>>2736785
are you ok

>>2736778
I see, I will work in that, yeah I got a reference for leather, but honestly, in pencil I got serious problem to do a good effect. thx for the comment, bro.

>>2736790
no problem. For textures, just remember that it's all about patterns + tone. Identify what kind of pattern that leather takes and then try to figure out how light affects it. I just kinda did a quick google search and found this video. It's not that good but it should get the idea across.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSsBTWPmHbE

>>2736794
actually here's a better example. It's in pen but the general idea is the same. I think Alphonso has a couple videos on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smAJFoedfvE

>>2736794
>>2736799
nice thx for the bother, I'm cheking'em right now

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I got an ink brush, first attempt at shading. What do you think?

can i skip ktd

>>2736991
there are no rules

only good progress and shit progress

imagine which category you would fall into

>>2736991
yeah go for it, don't skip drawing on the right side of the brain tho.

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Been drawing for a little over a year, not sure if I belong in the beginner thread.

Feedback on my sketch?

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sssssselfie

>>2737021
Is pretty good

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I might have gone overboard with the ink, it looks pretty grey.
Continuation from >>2736960

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>>2735619
I started Draw a box and did the first lesson, am i doing it right

1/3 superimposed lines

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>>2735619
>>2737077

2/2 Ghosting and planes 1

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>>2735619
>>2737077
>>2737082

3/3 planes 2

>tfw spent the last four hours drawing ellipses

i might have the 'tism

Does anyone have references for learning to draw birds?
Having the most trouble with the feet.

>>2737152
Do it every day for a year and you will become... A God (of ellipses).

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>>2735410
I'm having a hella hard time trying to get his proportions right. anybody want to spoonfeed me? already found the midpoint, used plumb lines, levels, etc

>>2736184
idk why you arent drawing the third square properly, do that.

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>>2736772
>>2736778
Alright, what do you think now about proportions??

As soon as I got my draw good enough in body terms, I'll start the leather effect, for me, that's the hard part of the draw.

>>2737203
Been at that point last year. Took me forever to do a lay-in like that just to get frustrated in the end that it's way off anyways. The only advice I have is to keep doing what you are doing and add some more loose sketches and construction lines. The more you do it, the more points you will find naturally to measure and compare from.

>>2737203
two points:

1) I think you could do that face a little thinner, and try to do his factions more delicate, more tiny and basically, keep focused

2) The problem is that you are getting desperated too quick, you have to doing over and over again, just keep drawing dude, you cannot get a realistic human draw with just a few lines, you have to put way more effort and keep it on with the details. Don't worry you are ok, keep it on.

Where do you get your references from? I usually just browse /hr/, but it's kinda shitty if you want some specific thing.

>>2737384
Post reference.

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quick tell me if my anatomy is okay. i know the head/arms are a little off but i can fix them really quick. i need to know really fast because im about to get on a flight and i want to paint it.

>>2737393
> tell me if my anatomy is okay
isn't

>>2737397
whats ?

>>2737397
whats off?

>>2737393
I don't think you mean anatomy, I think you meant basic proportions which is good enough.
Anatomy is know the muscle, bones, fat and all that shit.

>>2737417
most of it. git gud

>>2737417
Not him, but her left leg is too high for that perspective, head doesn't look connected to the torso. Look at where the neck would be and redo that.
Also, for the love of god, drop the chicken scratching.

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alright how about this? i wont be able to fix it at this point cause no internet for you guys to hold my hand

>>2737422
i just suck at line, true about the neck/head ill try to find a ref. and thanks for pointing out about the leg. i think i fixed it

>>2737420
>most of it
fuck

>>2737419
im painting it so i dont worry about drawing that stuff in. nice to know my knowledge of proportions is semi functional

and i realize i need to bring the elbows a bit highter

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>>2735410
well well well

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>>2735415

>one day draw something good
>next day draw awful things again
kicked back into the shit i am. i enjoyed my vacation thinking i was something other than human filth.

>>2737435
You can't just paint in good fundamentals

if it looks shit in sketches, it will be shit painted

>>2737498
better than all the beginners ITT

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Really had a hard time with this one, mostly with the eyes.
Would appreciate if someone could give me a critique.
>>2735410

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pls help

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>>2737498
>>2737501
This is actually true.
Despite the pure, un-chained autism it's better than anything I've seen ITT

>>2737523
just fuck our beginners' shit up

>>2737523
isnt >>2737447 better for instance?

>>2737541
Not when it's from reference.

>>2737447
the thumbnail looks alright

>>2737545
idk, i do think people post good (for begginer) stuff here. its not all shit. some of it is good progress and aesthetic too.

see
>>2736245
>>2737021

>>2735409
think im skipping tonights drawings
this doesnt feel fun if you do it all the time

>>2737556
>feels the need to justify to /beg/
>completely fine with the decision
pick one

>>2737553
>Been drawing for a little over a year, not sure if I belong in the beginner thread.

>>2736245
and that's not much better than the Arthur taking a shit picture

I bet the artist behind it could easily mimic these poses, and probably even hit them better.

>>2737056
The drawing itself is pretty bad m8.
First learn to sketch stuff properly, then you learn shading

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>>2737559
im not completely fine with it coz deep down i know i should do fucking long hours if i wanna progress anywhere. its a lot of work

>>2737549
well thanks I guess

how could I improve the actual thing? Like what stands out the most when it comes to mistakes I did?

>>2737522
Nose bridge seems too long, bad render on his right cheek but it's not too bad; it clearly isn't finished.

Rate:
Garbage
Not terrible
Competent

Pls ignore background and that thing at the top of pears and apples, dont know what Is it called. I know they are half assed

>>2737581
>>2737606
Same thumbnail fag

>>2737566
I'm taking the day off from 5 hour days for the past month and a 1/2 .

It's not bad if you only take 1 day off, but never do 2 in a row or you're taking a hammer to your progressive mentality.

>>2737581
>>2737606
>what is resize

>>2737606
Somewhere between Not terrible and garbage. You look like you're afraid of using contrast and strong colors

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I'm a little bit sick every time I look at my negligible progression

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>>2737638
My bad.
It actually Looks more colorful irl but i have really shitty lighting
How about now?

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>>2737254
Update, what do you think, pls, any sugestions would be very appreciated

>>2737617
?

>>2737646
Learn to draw

>>2737648
Is saying it to point out the colors looks similar.
That's the joke

>>2737649
yeah I'm on that, that's why I'm asking.

>>2735410

Bleh, still working on more confident lines. Also didn't realize how high the left ear was until now.

>>2737638
>what is resize
it is resized idiot

>>2737651
I mean that you lack basic understanding of fundamentals and anatomy.
Read the sticky, then come back.

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Forgot image.

>>2737656
>iphone users

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Making loomis' silly faces.

>>2737655
>Read the sticky, then come back.
That's your best answer??

geez...come on bro. Yeah My draw is not good enough, but at least I'm trying, you, by the otherside, well, I think you lack of enough experience for giving some advice, that's why I think you only could provide an answer as "read the sticky", man, you are a fucking genius.

>>2737657
If my s7 was an s7 note, I would throw it at you.

>>2737656
nose too far away from mouth

>>2737658
if you are regular try with your left hand
if you are goofy try with your right foot
:^)

>>2737656
those eyes are in a very weird location between them bro, also I think that mouth could be a little close to the nose and a little longer, but smaller (lips).
Those ears, try a little bigger, and maybe you can put a full hair to that draw.

>>2737669
Oof. Right foot it is.

>>2737660
Not the same anon, but he's not exactly wrong.
What do you expect from anyone here? A wall of text explaining all that's wrong with your drawing, and worse, all that would be wrong on your approach to drawing based off on a single drawing?
It would just be too vague for you. The sticky will actually provide you better information on what you need to improve.

>>2737660
That's because there is too much to point out.
You are making a bicycle and ask us how to make it a rocket, you are supposed to try learn a subject first then we can polish it together, not just ask us what would be the equivalent of just dumping an entire loomis book in text format.
TL;DR: read the sticky

Something I always see in these threads are poor representation of ears.
You people need to understand exactly how an average ear looks like. Just google ear and draw a bunch.
Also, this video, showing a bit on how to draw a head has a simple approach on how to draw one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S66wc0Z2BXU

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Tried to quick fix based off of advice, sorry if still sideways.

When I shrunk and moved the lips closer to the nose, the gap between the lips and chin started to bother me. I moved the eyes a bit closer and enlarged the ears, but they feel more off to me now.

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>>2737685

>>2737685
dude can you just fix the upload??
but looks better, what are you using? wacom??

>>2737675
>>2737677
alright, I'm not asking how to be an artist, as you put it, just asking how can do a better drawing, that's all, I already read the sticky, so, I'm practicing, practicing, and practicing, next step, asking for opinions and critics, for real, is that hard for you guys say something useful for the people who wants to improve??

>>2737689
The hair looked pretty static.

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>>2737688
I'm no good with phones. I wish I was at my pc right now.

>>2737689
You're an artist the minute you decide to make art. It doesn't matter if you suck so bad as to make even stick figures look shitty or if you're Raphael incarnate. So, to do better at drawing would take you to commit yourself to study, get frustrated with results and get back to it.
But that's ok, I'll go ahead and make a little list of things you should pay attention to improve that one particular piece you posted.
>proportions are way off, one arm is bigger that the other and the torso is way too big in relation of the rest of the body
>head is too plain, you need to work on how to make it look 3D
>her left foreshortening isn't working the way you want it, try doing the "coil exercise" for constructing a foreshortened shape
>her left hand also needs serious anatomic fixes
>her right shoulder is too big, as in "man big"
>her hair is also plain and boring to look at, draw the strands as individual shapes with volume
>her legs are too thin in comparison to the rest of thickness of her body
TL;DR: You need to study more shape, figure, volume and perspective.

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>>2737689
>I don't wanna be an artist, I just want to improve
And what are we saying is what you have to do in order to do what you want
> I already read the sticky, so, I'm practicing, practicing, and practicing
Can you post what books did you read, we can help you easier if we know what approach did you took to make the drawing

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>>2737689
>what are you using? wacom??
Motherfucker got a (You) out of me.

Good one tho.

someone please explain to me the difference between "chicken-scratching" and "restating"

>>2737646
The hips look disproportionately small; remember to always absorb critiques and write them in the corner of your image, because if you are bad at a specific thing: you can hone in on it and pay special cognizance to a certain feature, musculature or play of light until you're confident that you have the technical and/or compositional skill to resolve that.

The hair is jagged; it looks like a solid object because there is little variation of tone and it looks spiky because it terminates in a point often.

I'd say the eyes are a bit too wide, but you've got a better start than most on them as you're beginning to understand them in 3d space.

Your lines are clean and efficient and I have few qualms about them from what evidence is typically beget in this picture.

I'd say you should move both the nose and the jaw up; furthermore: move the eye-line down; practice studying a skull so you're able to ghost over the image with that of a typical skull, and see if it would not look too quirky if misaligned in that fashion.

It's actually a very strong start and a good occupation you've cultivated out of it, but your problems are not so much mechanical anymore than technical. Study more figures, even if it is only reference images on the internet, preferably from profile or portrait angles so the information is easier to digest and then manipulate, and then maybe draw this again. I have a strange suspicion that you're almost at 3rd Mastery at drawing fictive characters

>>2737498
Shmorky Kay; needs more chromatic abberation

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It's not getting any better so I guess it's done. Some may say polished turd but I enjoyed making this. It's better than my previous work by a long shot.

>>2737083
Nice man, you drew lines
Keep doing the lessons and you'll notice a difference

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>>2737726
Here's some non-animu work too.

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>>2737743

>>2737726
I like the overall composition and some of the textures. The girl looks kind of crappy though, maybe work more with reference and do less stylization next time you do something like this.

>>2737581
any crit?

>>2737743
>>2737744
work on improving skill, not on creating good stuff

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Tried long hair.
Also any consistancy?

>>2737770
It actually looks somewhat decent, but you need more confidence in your lines. Would make the drawing much better.

>>2737745
Thanks for the feedback. Girl is crappy, I know. I tried.
>>2737763
Do you mean do exercises instead of drawing pictures? Is making artwork not exercise in itself?

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Why is it so spooky?

will /beg/ get upset if i do the drawabook lessons with a mechanical pencil instead of a felt tip pen? i already wasted money on other things so i have to save money for the felt tip pen, and those things somehow became expensive as fuck where i live

>>2737782
thats what this thread is for. if anything would make you better quickly, there would be no need for guidance, tutorials or practise. you can keep doing it if you like and not all improvement is technical but there are 100x better ways of getting better than what you are doing.

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>>2737393
>>2737435
worked on this some on the plane. this is how far i got before the fucking flight attendant told me that i was on a family friendly airline and need to put this shit away. which gave me time to finish a portrait that ill post next

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>>2737814
and i finished this

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>try online art lessons
>they tell me to watch scott robertson dvds

>>2737814
>>2737817
What the fuck are you studying?
What books or curses did you take?

>>2737821
who is going to tell you to read the sticky, which is then going to direct you to loomis. your welcome to get off this ride now before its too late

>>2737828
loomis, hogarth, vilppu, and proko i promise.

>>2737817
This is an awkward looking portrait. Between the symbol eyes/eyebrows, the attempt at the philtrum (crater below the nose) and the poor shading there is a lot to work on.

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>>2735410
I hate myself for being this lazy, can't really get myself to measure everything to get the likeness.

Do famous concept artists or any well known pro artists market their real birth names?? or do some use a stage name to keep privacy.

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Muscle study

>>2737833
>symbol eyes
im sorry but can you go. i seem to have no fucking idea what this means. and poor shading as in im not getting the planes of the face right or just bad values/colors

>>2737861
>>2737833
oops i meant go ON as in explain further

what percentage of new posters here havent read the sticky, in your opinion?

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>>2737842
Added some shit shadows

>>2737863
>"Symbol"

I can draw a circle with two dots and a line in it, and people will know I meant to draw a human face. The two dots and a line aren't actually what a human face looks like, they are just "symbols" to represent the eyes and mouth.
So in the case of your picture, while representing parts of the face more than adequately to distinguish details and build form, it can still be seen that the eyes, eyebrows and mouth do not represent the finer details of how a human face actually looks. Therefore we say you have used symbols to represent features, instead drawing the features as they would appear naturally.

Its a light/shading thing basically, but taken to the most intricate level possible. Your picture simply lacks the intricacy in it's shading to make the image feel alive and real.

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I tend to have problems with doing straight lines for my BG's and give off a cartoon Danny Antonucci feel

Do most artists use the linework line tool for their backrounds? Because a lot of artists that I see have impossibly straight backrounds and I just can't seem to emulate that without line cheating

>>2737903
Dude's waist is non-existent. The gesture is weird and the proportions are frightening. As for the muscles themselves, theyre mediocre but passable. Keep trying, compare to reference often and look for deviations.

>>2737905
hmm okay this is where im confused because for the eyes i have the ducts, double eye lid, pupil, iris with the muscle fibers, highlight showing light reflection, exposed part of lower lid, shading of white part to make it 3d, make up etc that seems like most of the eyes forms are there

with the lips i have the m shape and the weird line things that go to your mouth

eyebrow okay i did get a bit lazy so ill finish them.

so given that, am i really symbol 'drawing' or am i just not pushing the details i need to in terms of values?

also anything for the figures anatomy (besides the head area)?

>>2737906
You need to practice freehand lines, might take years to perfect tho. And yes most artist who have made it can draw a perfect straight line.

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How are these, are they okay?

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>>2737951
Fug
So the answer is just get good

That sucks

Using line tool and such always gives off this crappy sketchup feel while my shitty freehand gives of a cartoony feel

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>>2737713
>>2737720
thanks bros, now that's what I call advice, I was thinking before "she looks way too thin", now its the other way, is hard to get it right for me to draw a good realistic proportion.

hair looks boring...well I was tryin to do some Shizune Style (naruto, yeeeeeaaa I love her), but I'm gonna fix it

>>2737716
oh man...
let me see
>Andrew Loomis - Fun WIth a Pencil
>Andrew Loomis - Successful Drawing
>Loomis - Figure Draw
>Comics 101 - How-To & History Lessons From The Pros
>Daniel Torres - Jóvenes Dibujantes
>How to Draw Erotic Art #01 - The Comic Book
>The Vilppu Drawing Manual
>Ernest R. Norling - Perspective Made Easy

I have to be honest, I haven't finished all, trying to retake after a long time dedicated to other things (jobs, family, etc). Also I check Proko (whatever), Deviantart, ctrlpaint, learn-to-draw and well, 4chan and stuff in regular basis, well nowdays.

I don't know a shit, but I wanna get better, I enjoy this bros, so you can be hideous or cool guys, if you leave some comments about how can I do better I will say, thanks.

also an update...little modifications, what do you think?

>>2737814
Why would you draw tits on a plane?

>>2737954
Look dope senpai
Now do it again but double time

>>2738042
i didnt. i drew them in my hotel room. i didnt the painting you see so far on the plane. and beside, what are they going to do, kick me off

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Decided earlier this year to get back into drawing with more seriousness than just for fun. Did I get better anon since my last landscape?

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Tried to do some portraits tonight. Managed to get 4 sorta quick ones done before my shoulder started killing me.

>>2738206
mfw >>2737817
no one calls yours symbol drawing but they will mine

>>2738213
Can you stop being so fucking hung up about it?

Yeah, everyone symbol draws in the beginning. Deal with it. The more you draw/paint, the more you'll realize how to actually draw what you see. Time (as well as deliberate practice) is one of the very few things that will cure it. You really just sound like the annoying kid in class at this point.

>>2738213
why are you so mad?

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Some warmup forms. How'm I doing, /ic/?

>>2737906
You seem to be chicken scratching so your lines come out looking all fuzzy, instead slow down and do lines in one motion.

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>>2738245
Forms pt. 2

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>>2738247
Forms pt. 3 (with extra fuckery for flavor)

>>2736208
nightmare fuel

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>>2736208
ITS A TRANSVESTITE KLINGON HOLY FUG

As for what you did wrong and what to do to fix it... well, what other anon said. Fundamentals and facial proportions.

Hello /beg/, what are you going to draw today? I'm going to do the first shadow exercises in the keys to drawing. Why don't I have anything spherical in my home?

im so lost
what do i do??

>>2738304
download keys to drawing

>>2738300
use your Scrotal sack

>>2738307
aww shieet, thanks, didn't think of that.

>>2738096
Lmaoao that would be funny :DDDDDD

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First tentacle rape, please be gentle

>>2738379
was this originally in colour? looks good, maybe needs some line varitation and more tentacles. could make the bg dark and add the spoopy monster face behind her to give some depth

>>2737840
they use their birth names. the digital arts industry generally isn't fan-saturated enough to warrant fear for privacy unless you're a retard whose afraid of cyberbullies

>>2737842
consider doing gesture studies instead, focus on the general forms overall (how does the upper leg fit into the lower leg and the elbows work?), then move to muscular studies as overlays on top of those to improve your understanding as to how they fit together rather than how the muscle looks like underneath the skin.

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>>2735409
Need advice/tips here.
I usually draw a lot with 5 heads of height and I'm fine with that, I'm comfortable with my usual cartoon-anime style (I tried to get a hybrid of both because I hate too much anime styles) but whenever I try to draw with a "kind" of more realistic proportion (say 6 heads) my arms and legs end up looking too stiff.
How can I add more flexibility to it?

Pic is my latest warm up sketch at it. I'm slowly trying to evolve from 5 to 6 heads but I'm just not sure yet.

This link is what I'm trying to achieve.
(I know it's tumblr, please don't hate me)
http://heggy-e.tumblr.com/post/141075390249
http://heggy-e.tumblr.com/post/141954405384
http://heggy-e.tumblr.com/post/143534050779
http://heggy-e.tumblr.com/post/149322194869

>>2738426
Thanks stranger. I've never given any attention to line weight, and colours seem difficult. Where would I apply line weighting on this picture as an example?

>>2738448
stand up and put your arms to your sides. you'll find your elbows are rouchly at your last rib and your wrists are roughly at your hip joints - it's different for different people ofc.

now look at the art that you like and think about the proportions those artists are using - where are the elbows and the wrists in relation to the rest of the figure?

>>2737743
Looks like straight outta Attack on Titan.

>>2737658
>>2737954
Loomis cartoon faces will teach you nothing. I hope you have fun with them at least.

>>2738300
Nothing, I will just shitpost on /ic/

>>2738456
When was the last time you drew something?

>>2738462
Why would you even care?

>>2738452
here's stuff that i've just had a quick google to give something to go off (they also have tentacles in them, coincidentally)
http://s3.gomedia.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Lineweight.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FJ3YevvG-Nc/maxresdefault.jpg
http://66.media.tumblr.com/89013e2198e74859850ef702077c1ea3/tumblr_o5dwlmJ42s1s80b2qo1_1280.jpg

i would say give some thicker variation on the tentacles themsevles and make sure the girl is soft and smooth - that will emphasise that's she delicate and soft while the beast is stronger and in control. thicker lines are good for foreshortening, making parts seem closer, so I'd say around the edge of the pages where the tentacles come in would really add some depth and lead the eye as well in the compositional sense. generally, next time you're looking at hentai or other erotic ink drawings, look where the artist has decided to taper the ends of their lines and strengthen them. i find it's usually the ends of lines where they taper and in the corners where you wanna add some more information about the form of a body part where they're thickened. the roundness of breasts and butts are calf muscles tend to be thin, and tend to thicken in places where they join other lines - not always, sometimes it's illogical etc. but yeah, keep that in mind.

>>2738467
Why are you so angry?

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Perspective mirroring practice. What am I doing wrong?

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I just draw for fun

>>2738518
nice socks

>>2738519
Thanks, I have tons of weird socks

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>>2738518
Wrong board. This is not a fun drawthread. This is /ic/ the most brutal, elitist board on 4chan. If you are here, it can be for one purpose only: to be the very best that you can be; achieved by making terrible art, having it slammed, then producing more terrible art. Until one day you make art that isn't terrible.

Until that day comes, you must slave and suffer under the collective tyranny of /ic/'s critiques.

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>>2738456
Should I just move on then?

>>2738518
Are you having fun?

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I'm >>2738448, more tips?

>>2738454
Will try that, thanks!

>>2738579
Yes

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How do you draw without a refence?
I can only draw using reference and whenever i try drawing without one, the drawing looks like shit.
Pls halp it's getting really frustrating.
>pic related, it's a really quick sketch made using reference

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>>2737317
>>2737369
tried my hand at it again with more patience and I think it looks way better now
thanks for the advice senpai

>>2738603
Good

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Manikin/skeleton I started doodling today. Would appreciate some criticism/advice on how to work on my problem areas. (The arms and thighs look especially off to me, right?)

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>>2738478
Bump. Can you give me some directions? I resized it.

>>2738248
Girls and planes are pretty good. The foreshortening on the cylinders in the second pic could use some work though.
>string cheese man is my new favorite superhero

>>2738682
Forms, I meant to say forms, not girls.
Fucking mobile posting

>>2737795
expect /ic/ to get mad at anything like >>2738576 said, just do the exercises, you could repeat them when you get a felt tip pen

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Some painting i did couple days ago. Would appreciate crits

>>2738771
better than 100% of /beg/

>>2738771
Leave /beg/ and graduate to the Draw Thread as you've successfully painted in a radical naturalist style. We can't offer advice here that's good enough to actually help you improve

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>>2738771
You got me

>>2738795
>>2738802
Kek

>>2738682
>>2738686
Thanku, anon-sempai =UwU=~*blushuu*

I also noticed that I completely fugged up the last cylinder in the first pic.
The lighting in my room is absolute shit to draw by at night, I couldn't really see it until after I took the pic and looked at it /:|

>>2738809
Buy a couple of adjustable dollar store book lights. You can create much better lighting conditions and change the light angle to your liking.

>>2738804
But why?

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I know her head is slightly tilted forward, but every time I try to draw it, I fuck it up. Tips? Am I just symbol drawing?

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I feel like I've stagnated, help me out /ic/
>inb4 large symbol eyes

>>2738840
>>2738840
>>2738840

NEW THREAD

>>2738840
>>2738840
>>2738840

>>2738589
Try doing a bunch of gesture drawings of just the torso and legs at the desired proportions. Make them run, jump, kick, dance, fall over, stand, climb stairs, sit, fall, anything you can think of. Don't worry about putting in the head or arms or detailed musculature, use basic 3D forms and focus only on making the larger torso and legs work together naturally. Doing all that should help you work out your issues with the new proportions and make you more confident with them. Repeat as often and as long as needed.

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So guys what do you think? I am currently doing drawbox while copying stuff, am I doing it right? Do you suggest me to do something else?
Also I noticed that I keep drawing small tjings with my fingers insread of my wrist? How do I lose this vice?

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>>2735410
critiques?

also tried to do my best till my eyes started to fuck the shit up, how do you guys draw without burning your eyes( still hurts if i low the brightness)

>>2738924
To stop your eyes from burning, make your screen and lighting more warm. You can use reduce the blue in your monitor's settings, or if on mobile, use apps like f.lux or lumix.

>>2736463
i like this one

>>2735411
I draw random people in my class if they stay still for long enough. It's basically developed into a bad habit, because if they move I then have to finish the drawing from memory, also I am only able to draw if they are looking off-front (not like they are in this drawing) so it may have impeded on my symmetrical ability...
Anyway... this is my first time in here because I've actually been wanting to learn how to draw now. I'm not even sure where to start with this one, it doesn't resemble the photo at all. I want to be able to draw something like what it actually looks like.

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214KB, 308x445px

>>2740837
wups

File: magpie.png (1MB, 974x1000px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 974x1000px

How's my magpie looking? I'm pretty pleased with it so far to be honest but I'd like to get some feedback so I can improve it before I colour

>>2738456
Silly faces teaches basic forms