/beg/ - Beginner Thread - No Bully Edition

>>2728323
Thanks for your contribution.

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>>2728327
Feel free to ask for moore

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Am I doing this organic shape thing right?

Sometimes, when I draw I feel like I've lost one fucking year of skills compared to the previous day.

What do you do when you feel like it?

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Ok so the first sketch is a gesture that turned out pretty stiff (I boxed it in because I couldnt help myself) and the second one is a figure that I built from ground up and only loosely based on the ref, I think it turned out better than the gesture but I lost the sex appeal of the ref, are there any good tutorials on drawing assess and legs, or books that I can see? Or am I just missing something simpler?

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Just did this still life, would appreciate some critiques.

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>>2728364
Sorry, forgot to resize.

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>>2728363
>are there any good tutorials on drawing assess and legs, or books that I can see? Or am I just missing something simpler?
You just need to think a bit more about the gesture. I did a quick one with just a few lines and put some arrows showing things I think are important.

Just pay attention to how there is that wonderful twist in her body (you can even see the skin folds from this). Her hip is jutting out creating a nice arc, her shoulder is high and to the right and then the arm projects down off it. Her spine is tense and swoops down. Getting these angles and curves right will set up the figure and the pose.

Knowing more anatomy too will help, but that can be said of almost all things relating to the figure. Just pay a bit more attention to what the pose is doing and why, and then try to draw that. You probably want to practice both gesture drawing like I did, construction, and then blending the two. Constructing over a bad or misunderstood gesture will obviously lead to bad results.

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I don't seem to be able to shade and or render anything i draw. Anyone got any books or anything on shading/rendering?

>>2728399
Use a harder edged brush, and then just observe the shapes and values more closely. A lot of things are inaccurate in your painting. It is best if you start using bigger brushes then gradually use smaller ones as you get into more detail.

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>>2728399
yeah you need to take more time, this looks rushed.

trying to figure stuff out

>>2728410
Value changes are too extreme I think. You've got all these brushstrokes with all these hard contrasts (value and edge) in all these different places. I suspect a more subtle approach would work better. Post the ref though if you want specifics.

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>>2728414
thx it was more an exercise to familiarise myself with the colors but ill keep that in mind next time

>>2728399
maybe try to stay zoomed out more when you paint

>>2728343
Remember to have your ellipses wrap around the object. They shouldn't be perpendicular lines to the contour. Even steep ellipses will wrap around

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>>2728407
>>2728417
>>2728410
Thanks for the help friends.

>>2728410
fuk i know where that top one was referenced from

muh dick

>>2728366
edges are terrible. Glass looks okay. Your value range is a bit light - try to push those darks a bit more.

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Has anyone that finished the Erik Olson perpective series give me advice on part 9?

I want to skip the studies, this past 2 months have been absolute hell, I've learned a lot, but holy shit I just want to draw something less static, or more creative. So I just want to get part 10 over with and move to something else.

So far the studies have barely tought something interesting and most of them is just Erik struggling to use Photoshop. Can I just skip them (7-26) and go into 10? I don't know if the 6 hours of studies will help and I hope someone can help me know if I should watched or not.

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I was an anon in last thread that was told to read bert dobson, how many times should i work on a exercise? how are these?

>>2728527
overlay your drawings with your references to see what mistakes you have made, some of these are really obbious, look at D, where are these eyes looking?

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Started practicing digital art, any tips or critiques are welcome

>>2728527
desu not familiar with dobson but hairy lines look like they're a big issue for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMC0Cx3Uk84

>>2728632
what... everytime i posted something people have told me to use my shoulder, this is the first time ive understood what they meant, fucking mind blown.

>>2728636
What did you think they meant?

>>2728640
i just didnt know to hold the pencil like that, i was trying to hold it like normal while usng my shoulder but it would always turn out weird

>>2728658
different levels of perkiness as a progression. for reference.

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>>2728363

>>2728636
Glad it helped, Proko is excellent at explaining things.

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>>2728310
I surrender

>>2728693
examine femininity.
women are slender and soft except when they are not.

its actually a serious problem that people arent reading the sticky before posting here

what can we do to help with this?

>>2728331
where can i get more of those 3d scans?

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never really used photoshop, how am I doing /ic/?

>>2728719
pancake tits, curves fucked

>>2728725
not him but how to avoid pancake tits?

>>2728684
hnng muh dick!

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>>2728322

>>2728323
Bet the ladies love the feel of a cold piece of metal being shoved up their cooch.

>>2728307

Hail mary mother of christ, the thread wasn't started by a retard.

>>2728601
Don't outline your highlights with black pencil and learn to blend your shadows light together. There are books in the beg sticky that deal with light and blending shadows.

>>2728695
seems as if this advice is geared towards someone drawing from imagination rather than ref?

Ok, so what are alternatives to squinting when checking for errors? I know people flip canvas when work digitally, but I'm working with traditional media now and would like some advice on that.

>>2728825
the traditional version of flipping your canvas is holding your paper up to a mirror. you could also stand back from what you're working on and critique it from afar

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What books/resources are good for learning about drawing landscapes?

>>2728346
You keep going and you don't give up. Only thing special about top artists is that they don't give up. Your issue is most likely that you don't have the foundation and so youre always struggling and you'll keep struggling if you don't have the foundation. Learn your fundies, lad.

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>>2728323

>>2728527
For a split second I though you were talking about Tom Preston/Dobson, thank god you meant Dodson.

Like this anon says >>2728632
work on those lines. I would also recommend you redo the first chapter, but do the exercises with a felt tip pen/ Fineliner and really think before you put down your lines.

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he has no anatomy
he has no perspective
this piece of shit doesnt even have a face

Having a bit of fun.

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>>2728932

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THAT FEELIO WHEN YOU FUCK THE PROPORTIONS COMPLETELY AND HAVE TO CALL IT STYLIZED

>>2728492
Take a break, draw something you really want to do and then, when you're ready to keep studying, come back to it. You don't need to turn drawing into an awful experience.
Also, where did you download that shit? Share link pls.

>>2728772
Thanks, the outline of the highlight was an accident. Ill read up on how to blend shadows, but off to a good start?

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I painted this a couple nights ago. It is my second painting. It doesn't look right. I am planning on fixing it when it dries. But let me know what you think.

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color study

>>2729026
>study

Maybe you should actually go open a book and study

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>>2728311

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Absolute beginner here.
I know I suck and I should study real construction and perspective first, I'm doing this as a side study to do more entertaining stuff and help me with motivation, I'm not treating this like my complete study routine. Anyways, I've been trying to draw some references using a blue fineliner for all the "construction" and then when I think I'ce got a pretty good idea of the posture I'll do a black lineover avoiding doing any chicken scratches. Do you guys think this method is going to help me make any decent progress?

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so i saw a concept video about making rocks and gave it a shot, what can i do better next time

>>2729026
Study? Where's your ref?

>>2729026
>filter
>proportions fucked beyond belief
>inconsistent lighting

not even a polished turd, you've polished it and rolled it in glitter

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I've spend the day drawing these, any reapearing mistakes?
Sorry about the size but it's drawn in flockmod.
Happy halloween.

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>>2728419
I will remember that anon, thanks for the feedback.

I need a shit ton of facial expression references senpai.

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How bad am I fucking up? I can't seem to get the left hand looking right and I've no idea what I'm doing with the feet.

>>2729148
Porn

>>2729146
you are doing well anon, thanks for sharing your work so consistently

>>2729149
this is going to sound generic, but make another layer and re-draw it using boxes, cylinders, etc. You're confused because you don't understand the perspective and 3d form

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Pls r8 my coloring
In just starting a crayon drawing book by lee something something.

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drew this one year ago. I'll post the new one in a second.

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Been rendering with just black and white for awhile, what do you think?

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>>2729319
And the new one. I don't think I improved much desu. I definitely procrasinated a lot in 2016, and didn't really study that much. My practice sketchbooks were mainly just drawings of girls, but really fast and sloppily drawn ones. I really need to get my shit together and get serious and read from some actual books.

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>>2729321
And this one too.

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>>2729026

>>2729057
>>2729097
>>2729101
>>2729332
Thats why i post in here, sorry for mistake about a study. Its just color practice.
Any constructive critique, advices?

>>2729357
shit i forget the draw feet

>>2729369
At the very least pick up any book about drawing the head. Your painting skills are far above your construction and fundamentals.

>>2729322
I agree, your progress looks like 3 months, not a year. Should stop drawing weeb shit and focus on realism. It will make you better at drawing weeb shit faster than drawing weeb shit.

>>2729375
I did try and study realism, but I drew it in my style. That was probably a huge mistake.

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uoload again

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>>2729285
Finished doggo

>>2728838
>Stepan Fedorovitch Kolesnikoff was a distinguished Realist painter.

But his leaves look like mushed shit.

>>2728921
Tom Preston is an inspiration.

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Can I get some critique/help?

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>>2729112
>Flockmod, Interactive group drawing for the modern age.

Your drawings are cute though. Fix the tumblr nose and learn where to place ears and the angle they should be shown at in relation to the head.

>>2729465
Learn anatomy
Learn perspective
>could be specific.
There is too much to point out
Go read loomis and perspective made easy, then ask for feedback

>>2729421
Resize your images. Get some printer paper and stick to black and white until you have the fundamentals down.

Does anyone know decent acrylic paint books or tutorials? Currently thinking of making the switch from graphite and ink to paints.

>>2728527
not understanding the construction of your work
>shoutloomis.jpg

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>>2729465
stop drawing porn you aint ready yet.

>>2729026
KEK.jpg
>too much filter
the mouth is not even a line and that file name let me guess its your 56 times drawing it

>>2729582
Then what should I be drawing?

>>2729465
>>2729607
Can you repost the image but put the opacity of your construction to 100% and reduce your line work to 20%? Seeing your construction is more important to see if it's the construction that's weak or your anatomy, or both

>>2729026

Brotip: Every "painting" that has visible tricolour effect on the edges from THAT photoshop function (you know which one) is automatically shit beyond repair.

Also so much wrong here. It's like you want to become a meme.

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Thoughts?

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>>2729638

>>2729638
>>2729639
stop chicken scratching

>>2729465
You're at the stage where I was some time ago. Unfortunately, you will spend a lot of time in it. What you should do in my opinion. First of all, you should return to the absolute basics to convert again, taking into account every detail of it you will surely help. your knowledge of drawing is already a significant start to see certain things to understand is unfortunately a lot of small details that adversely affect the appearance of your work because as I mentioned earlier, you should return to the base to convert and once again releasing every detail I think that if you perform this step, say two will spend three months of the study will notice enormous effects also success

Yo guys bad artist here. Should I buy a cintiq? I want to get into digital art but I just can't into this bamboo tablet. I draw a lot better with paper, and I feel like a Cintiq would remedy the issue when it comes to digital.

Is it worth the investment?

>>2729667
Go to an Apple store and try an iPad pro with the pencil.

>>2729646
Thoughts aside from my obvious line confidence issues?

>>2729620
DESU it is probably both.

>>2729651
>>2729475
Yeah I guess yall are right. But I just haven't been able to finish any book that I'd start. Literally every book I've started to read I stopped around the 30 ~ 40 page mark. I will admit that my "studying" is very flawed. I never stick to one thing for more than a day while also only drawing maybe 2 ~ 3 hours a day depending on how a feel.

Day 1 - Oh lets draw some heads
Day 2 - Oh lets draw some bodies
Day 3 - Lets work on perspective
Day 4 - Lets try some random traditional drawing
Day 5 - Lets try and paint
Day 6 - Lets watch a video on anatomy and try it out for 2 hours
Day 7 - Lets draw some eyes

and repeat.

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>>2729680
And.... I forgot the picture.

>>2729667
If you can afford it, go for it. It was worth it for me. People like to downplay the advantages of a screen tablet here, but personally I love my 13HD. Actually improved my (digital) art quite a bit, too - I'm still not as fluent with it as I am on paper, but it's much closer. Most importantly, it's a lot more fun to use, so I draw on it more.

YMMV though - it won't make you improve faster, since paper is the to learn on, at least until you get the basics down. But it's a fun toy and doing 100% studies can get demoralizing

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my colors are so bad please help

>>2729646
いいえ

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>>2729698
quick study from screenshot to make myself feel better about >>2729698

>>2729330
>>2729321
So, uh, any critique?

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>>2729754
Shape: First thing that sticks out to me is it's very flat. A few things contribute to this: a lack of full understanding of anatomy (or forms, at least), lighting, and the level of rendering. I'm pretty convinced that if you put another hour into this, it would look a lot better. I know you're working from a screenshot but I think pushing the gesture and exaggerating the movement (through the hair and sash particularly) would make this piece pop a bit more. Harder edges would also help.

Colour and Values: Very dark, you should push your light colours. Interestingly enough you should also be pushing your darks; there's nothing wrong with including pure black. You're sitting in the lower values (1-4ish) without touching the others. Limited value ranges are okay but this doesn't have enough contrast imo. The background is something? Looks very rushed and is too saturated (or high in chroma, if you prefer)

Pic related I marked out the major forms with shapes and added the line of action. Also changed the contrast a bit. Like I said before; I'd exaggerate the pose a bit. From the picture hopefully you can see the hips/pevlis perspective looks odd - I'd personally tilt it forward a bit to smooth out the pose.

Absolute beginner here
I'm going through the sticky and tried drawing picasso's stravinsky upside down and wow, this is really difficult and uncomfortable. will it get less strenuous soon?

>>2729330
These are excellent. I will note that with both the barrell and the mouse they don't line up very well. Ideally using shapes to simplify perspective means that the centre of the object should match with the centre of the shape.

>>2729321
With this, I'm not sure where the light source is, or if there is multiple light sources. The object on the left (which unfortunately I don't acutally know what it is; pretty sure that's my bad though because it's form is very clear) clear has one marked but the lamp seems to be reflecting light in all directions.

>>2729775
Just do it till you get bored of it, then get your hands on the keys to drawing book.

>>2729775
It's supposed to be. You're in it for the long, long haul, starting now.

What -exactly- is strenuous about it?

>>2729772
thanks but what about this one>>2729698?

i def put more effort into the ayyla later. i just want to see how much i could get done in 1-2 hours

>>2728492
watch Basics Drawing By Scott Robertson, its 2 hours long and it pretty much explains the fundamentals of perspective and how to use it, it is good enough for a beginner

>>2728492
damn, olson's shit gets real long

>>2728966
it's on cgpeers, registrations are open for 48 hours on the 1st and 15th of every month, and we're a day away from the start of a new month, so you're in luck

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>>2728307
>>2729775
It Just feels really weird and uncomfortable
Final, flipped result kek

>>2729792
meant for
>>2729777
>>2729781

>every single day new people come here that have never posted in these threads before, don't read the OP of the thread they've never posted in before, and post their shit anyway

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finished this, it turned out better than i thought it would. please rip to shreds if necessary

>>2729803
See
>>2729798

>>2729812
give real advice or fuck off ass shit lord

>>2729680
My practice schedule is pretty much exactly like yours, and I barely improved over a year. (I posted the blue haired anime girl) You (as well as myself) need to actually study and absorb information, rather than mindlessly draw heads and bodies.

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>>2729060
more crappy gestures I guess

>>2729698
I like the colors
Is your rendering that sucks

>>2729680
Stick to one subject until you have finished it

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>>2729803
When doing a portrait, cutting off at the neck is always jarring, at least put their shoulders in.
Be more gentle with your blacks and how much yellow you're putting into her skin. To learn to control your colour try doing paintings from life like in this thread. >>2723254

Study Asaro heads, get an idea of the planes of the face and where to put your light. A lot of your strokes seem haphazardly placed, especially around the shadows of her neck, making her seem wrinkly. Go for confident blocks and then blend it down.

Try use this to study how to light the head, you can control the angle of the lighting as well.

https://sketchfab.com/models/6238cb4ace5d4a9aa9a881ec800dbdd1

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>>2729819
Yeah, I'll watch a video on heads, not draw along with it but draw after it. End up messing the heads up and then coming back to it next week not knowing how to do it again.

This was stuff I did back in the middle of May about two weeks into digital. Told myself I was gonna do one of these every day after work. Only ended up doing it for 3 days. If I would have continued I would be pretty decent at digital portraits by now.

i fell like i should know the answer to this already.

is high resolution necessary to paint a good picture? i don't get some people paint 6000 pixels width/height. when do i use high res?

>>2730010
>is high resolution necessary to paint a good picture
No, but painting on a smaller canvas limits how many details you can put in because there are fewer pixels. In general you want to paint on large canvas sizes, then when you save a jpg to post online you resize it to be smaller.

I've got access to a cintiq. Should I learn to draw using it, or should I learn with pencil and paper first? I find that I have less control and nuance with the tablet

>>2730050
Learn to draw with a pencil and paper. You can use the cintiq too a bit, but use it more for painting, and use it less than a pencil for now.

>>2729776
That left object is a pen holder i found in google images, so was the lamp. I kinda focused more on the finished product with those three, rather than filling them inside a box, because their planed proportions turned out really bad. Thank you for your opinion, however.

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I'll just leave this here...

https://courses.byui.edu/art110_new/art110/

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Found something in the /a/ draw threads and decided to try and color it in grayscale. Am I on the right track?

>>2730157
Nice lineart ruined by making the rendering look like colored in flash
try reading a rendering book.
brb, don't go, I'm searching for a digital painting book

>>2730173
awesome, link me up senpai

>>2730185
seconded! will be waiting anon!

>>2729680
>>2729681
Yeah, it is definitely both. But that's alright. The only two things I'd say to do is practice good perspective with boxes, and to analyze the human form. Don't do two boxes and try to turn that into a human by drawing the contours over-top. It won't work out well. Instead, gradually turn those boxes into more organic shapes. The torso box will eventually become the rib cage. The box for the waist will eventually become curved and soft. Then do the same thing with arms, legs, etc.

In other words, practice perspective because you need that shit to be strong. And practice taking your simple forms to more complex forms.

>>2730157
need to think more about lights and shadow.
what is causing the shade on her face and the light on the body.

>>2730208
uhh.. About that, I only did the top portion of the body. Disregard anything above the neck and below the clothed breast.

>>2730157
>>2730173
>>2730185
Lright, found it.
It's for corel painter I think, but should translate just fine to whatever softare you are using.
vkDOTcomSLASHdoc4043932_410550271?hash=bb43cefd66b2639318&dl=e2712e4cd5a66a27ca
And to learn proper rendering:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:d284ed1558479b5f85e1f1915d426ea934220352&dn=Scott%20Robertson%20-%20How%20to%20Render%20-%20The%20Fundamentals%20of%20Light%2c%20Shadow%20and%20Reflectivity.pdf

>>2730218
You havent really done enough for a more detail criticism or advise but some your shading is too smooth and makes things too too cylindrical or spherical.

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Had a hard time focusing today.

>>2729152

Thanks man, gotten a good amount of crits in the past couple of threads, so it's good motivation to post.

>>2729452

He is a good example of not what to become, so yes I agree.

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>>2729856
>could
Is it ok to use that sort of eye-cave when the face is at that angle, so that the eye is closer to the contour of the face?
I've always deliberately avoided making cheeks look that putty because I though eye-caves were too synthetic and were not adverse to reality.

I was advised by another Anonymous poster to go back to draw some basic forms; this is the last thing I made before I started practicing them again, so that I could compare. I just though I'd post it in case it looked inhuman or whether any properties on the person didn't fit proportions that we are physically accustomed to.

>>2728838
Watch Bob Ross videos; they seriously help in accustoming yourself to art as an illusion

Study a landscape painting by JMW Turner in Acrylic (one of his earlier paintings)

Study the book "Perspective Made Easy"

Watch Stefen Kozar's watercolour tutorials, the few that he has, on Youtube.com

Study lots of trees and buildings from life?

Study and draw basic shapes. Once you feel confident with your basin shapes: chop them up and turn them into strange, irregular shapes.

Go and join a local figure drawing class

These are all terrible suggestions, so please take my direction with a grain of salt.

>>2730277
Also: colour theory is incredibly useful for landscapes. Make axiomatic colour diagrams, and take the three primaries of the medium you're using and document the component colours making up the colour you're testing. Then: record the colour next to it., so that later you're able to re-abstract that colour during any point in any of your projects. I used to do this a lot, and I'd say the colours are the strongest part of my work now.

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>>2730271
My first checkpoint is to draw in an intensely realised realist style from the mind and create fictive realistic-looking people from my mind for commisions -

Later: my aim is to take my realism and develop a second style that is stylized in a similar way to this but with a better understanding of anatomy, proportions, shapes and perspectives. I'm aware that most ideas here need to be discarded: the hideously large ears and such, but there's certain qualities about this picture such as the contour of the eye and the purposeful slight jaggedness of the lines that I'd like to keep.

Are my goals as an artist bad ones? Truly I'd like to learn as much as I can about all aspects of the creation of 2d visual Art now

>>2730220
Thanks, mate, I'm not even the anon you helping.

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some random draws, how am i going?

>>2730201
Not that anon, but in the same position and I think I also had the same bad idea of drawing contours on top of boxes.

What do you mean by the torso box "eventually becomes" the rib cage? Do you mean that you start with a box and then you "sculpt" or "carve out" the ribcage by subtracting/adding basic shapes? Because whenever I do that I can, at best, end up with something like a very shitty low-poly model of a ribcage. It seems impossible to get organic forms this way.

How to tell the difference between drawing an organic form in perspective and "drawing the contour"?

>>2730262
are you doing the buildings and signpost drawings purely from imagination?

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Opinions?

>>2730220
Thanks bud.

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>>2728317
self learning these day with less education (went school or atelier before)
depressing as crap feels like still lack of confidence

>>2729322
Colouring looks rushed
No visible reason on the distorted proportion
Not bad tho

>>2729698
I'm this >>2729772 anon; this painting is also very dark. Add some lighter colours, particularly to the foliage. Around the base of the waterfulls you should have waves, ripples and foam. Everything has the same texture; the clifface, praticulartly the lighter oart in the mid section, should have harder, thinner lines to show intracacies and fractures. You should also pic a focal point, personally I'd recommend around the village because it already stands out.

>>2729827
Watch proko's videos on gesture and figure drawing. You seem more focussed on the structure and contours than the gesture itself.

>>2729827
I'm not gay, but that model looks really nice.

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>>2728307

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>>2730347
sketch only

>>2730392
Pretty good actually. The camber seems kind of off though.

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>>2730411
thanks for advice some minor change

>>2729385
Cute, I love this!

>>2730437
Much better!

How do I become a master photo copier? It seems like normies get the hang of it so easily and they're proportions and placement is almost always perfect. Their renderings usually breddy good too.

>>2730464
gridding

i feel like im stalling on figure drawings. do i start breaking the figure down into parts (upper torso, hip to thigh etc) and practicing those?

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trying to figure out likeness (also trying to be more confient with my lines/less chicken scratch)

attempt at lauren mayberry

>>2730531
you chose a dificult person

her cheekbones are higher

>>2730326
>What do you mean by the torso box "eventually becomes" the rib cage?
I mean practice drawing a box for the torso, then eventually move on to drawing a box with soft, curved edges. Then add the sternum and the arch to that box. It's a progression, you practice drawing each version of the ribcage, until you reach a point where you're drawing, essentially, a rib-cage. I don't mean sculpt it over one drawing, I mean over the course of multiple drawings. Because you want to understand the progression from a simple form (box) to a complex form (ribcage with spine).
>How to tell the difference between drawing an organic form in perspective and "drawing the contour"?
Drawing contour is like drawing a silhouette. You should only ever start a drawing that way if you're very experienced. An organic form in perspective means you're accounting for foreshortening, tilt and twist of the form in question.

>>2730291
Sounds good to me anon.

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Any advice / tips for pencil drawing realistic roses?

It's so hard to get my head around how I should approach this. Most the time mine end up being too dark or with weird made up shadows and shapes.

Couldn't find a good example right now, but I really like high contrast white roses.

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Trying to give life to Ugly Americans, starting from Leonard. Just started digital painting. Destroy what needs to be destroyed.

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Got in the Halloween spirit last night after some wine and bud.

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anyone can learn how to draw... ri-right?

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I'm still relatively new to proportions

>>2730809
Go to /r/, faggot.

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what are you supposed to do when you're too stupid to really understand keys to drawing

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i need more loomis ?

>>2730845
Yes.

>>2730720
I think the legs may be a bit too long. Don't quote me on that though.

>>2730841
thumbnail looks kinda cool

>>2730845
If you had the writing talent of ONE you could do a comic right now.

Sadly the luck and story telling skill of that man shall be unrivaled.

>>2730347
Props to you for trying the car! Turned out well. Hope it encourages others to try something other than human beans

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>>2728313
>>2728316

>>2730603
Draw immensely tight lines that intersect the edge of the line next to it with as much effervescence as you can; do the same many times for areas with darker tone.

Practice drawing circles with the whole of your forearm to get used to drawing the curves of the roses

>>2730338
It's quite good; I'd say the bottom of the cheek is too close to the bone, in that it needs to be more puffy, more the eyes apart by a few millimeters, and lower the ear so that it starts halfway through the eye.

Great job on the lips and nose however; there are some very strong confident lines lurking here.

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>>2730331
The bottom picture buildings are from imagination, the top buildings are sort of from a photo. Due to lack of skill, tiny picture and laziness, I took a lot of liberties from the reference.

With the signpost I basically took a photo of a signpost (it's the best one, that is the 2 point perspective, one) drew that and then I but the drawing and the reference away and drew it from different views from memory.

>>2730841
What part are you having troubles with? You need to be a bit more specific.

>>2730767
drawabox.com

Do the first 2 exercises.

>>2731008
That dog sketch is a lot more interesting than the rest. Don't forget do do stuff besides the basic exercices.

>>2731008
never stop anon, you can make it

I want to draw cartoons so I guess I should learn the basics first right?

How do I stop thinking that the proportions of my drawings are too long even if I measure it out exactly and it's a frontal shot my shit just looks too long to me?
Maybe it's just my autism but damn that shit throws me off all the time.
Also
Fuck the pelvis I never know how tall it is and I have to fucking guess around like a retard.
Kill me.

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Literally the third or fourth "serious" drawing I've ever done. Probably with the wrong type of pencil on the wrong type of paper. And I made no particular attempt at shading. Does anybody like it?

>>2731151
...and it fucking posted sideways. Hey guys, I'm posting on a phone if it wasn't obvious. Fucking thing

>>2730796
I can see a little bit of an understanding but you flail at the head; you also ignore the features of the legs completely. Men and women have the same muscles (relatively) underneath but from your image you wouldn't be able to tell. Since you're practicing proportions, I'd sugest working with a skeleton first; both figures are missing some major skeletal landmarks (hips, namely). I shill proko a lot around here but checking out his anatomy series will help you alot.

link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDgyQjNFVQk&list=PLtG4P3lq8RHFBeVaruf2JjyQmZJH4__Zv

Otherwise, Sculptor's guide to Anatomy or whatever it's called is good for learning the masses, but you'll have to simplify it yourself.

I'm friends with some professional artists, I'm not great at drawing, but not bad either. Not anywhere near as good as they are.
We get along well but i seem to have this sneaking suspicion that i'm the "runt" of the bunch and am further and further not being seen as an equal the more mistakes I make. I try my best to improve, but I'm just not improving fast enough to seem on the same level as them. What the fuck do I do? I feel like im increasingly becoming less popular with my colleagues the more I expose the fact that I'm just, not as good.

>>2730988
well done

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>>2728313
how shit senpai

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Hello again /beg/, Tonight I worked on this strange creature and would love any feedback, especially on the colors. I think I'm gonna push more blues into the greys or would that be too on the nose.

I wish I could paint like a qt azin twink

>>2731398
pretty shit

>>2731401
I suggest try and put more contrast to the colors to make it less dull.

>>2731401
Nice, but I'm pretty sure this nigga is falling down. Either give him a heavy tail sticking away from his body or straighten his spine to give him balance.

>>2731401
The left foot middle tow looks too short and the ?tail? doesn't look quite right

>>2731271
I don't have any advice for you, but this might warrant its own thread. You'll get better replies like that.

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Anatomy practice I've done. Something's wrong with abs. Can you give me some feedback?

>>2731398
"i haven't read ktd" shit

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>>2731506

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Loomis 1a

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I started drawing a year ago, and my teacher said if i train hard, i can make my way through... is he right?

>>2731541
any tips 4 me?

>>2731518
Oh thank you for the redline! I was off a little too much.

>>2731541
Please rotate the drawing and scale it; I can't rotate my monitor.
It's not bad but it looks really basic fot now; I would like to see how do you render it.

>>2730841
>>2730841
whats youre supposed to do is abstract art. not surrealism, surrealism comes only from a thorough understanding of realism, but an imagination like that would be killer for abstract expressionism (which is usually what people do when they fundamentally dont understand art)

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what am i doing wrong

how many hours a day do you guys usually spend drawing?

>>2731618
youre trying to break the human body down into simple shapes to put it on paper instead of drawing what it actually looks like. pecs are rarely so circular, collar bones rarely so defined or angled, and your linework from the ribcage to the knees is too smooth. real people, reguardless of physique are almost always complicated than that. i'd recommend tracing over some real life photos, then trying to replicate that without tracing (just from reference)

>>2731622
2-3. Not nearly enough. I need to boost that amount.

>>2731622
2-3 after work. Weekends are 6-8.

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Please save my westworldfuh =/

>>2731622
0

>>2731618

Your proportions are wrong as well as what the other anon said.

Your initial head measure exceeds the the actual height of the head and then it go bonkers from then on. Even if you were using cranial units as measurements, it goes awry.

Hands are much too high.

>>2731622
Does bitching about other peoples art and downloading pdfs count as drawing?

>>2731622

At least 6 to 8. But I'm not making any strides, so I guess it's a moot point.

(I work two days a week. Refining drawing is about all I can try to do to do anything. Every day is monumental failure, however, so I'm here.)

>>2731679
Yes, it is vital to "making it".

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how are my ellipses and how do i improve?

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I just finished this.
What am I doin wrong?

And how can I not be so shitty at making clouds? (I use pastels, gouache, watercolour, pencils)

newcomer to /ic/ here, i already checked the new sticky, but i have a problem, i was recently gifted a drawing tablet, a genius m712x, should i start with pen & paper or go straight with the tablet? also opinions on jumping to the drawabox tutorials instead of going first with the keys to drawing book? i'll be a neet for 10 months, how much time should i use daily so i get good at this?

>>2731781
you're drawing them too fast. You have a lot of sharp edges and open ends. Some of them are okay, but you need to slow down and smell the flowers anon.

>>2731802
Draw a box is good for whichever exercises develop your lines but otherwise ktd is superior. If you'd prefer the easy, digestable format though dab is fine.

Use both. What a lovely gift, I hope you thanked whoever got it for you. Tablet is excellent for practicing colours and coming up with some presentable art early on. Pen will have a more natural texture and will feel more lively early on. I also recommend proko on youtube.

>>2731401
I told you this twice... you really don't belong in beg. you should go to the draw thread.

>>2731813
yes i thanked him a lot, it's really fucking big, althought i don't know if i can do the same about the nibs and buying nylon wire, it came just with 1 replacement nib and it's shaped in a totally different way than wacom ones

do you think it's a good idea if i do the exercises first in pen and paper then repeat them in the tablet?

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>>2731051
Yeah, you are right man, thanks for the crit.

>>2731090
Can't stop, won't stop. Thanks for the kind words anon.

>>2731843
ye good practice man, keep at it.

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>>2731813
I'm trying to do them with my elbow, i find if i slow down lines get very wobbly

Could anyone give me tipps on making my drawing look like they would actually have a light source?

>>2731872
Copy from real. Things naturally have a lightsource.

>>2730386
Are you an artist for wikihow?

>>2731863
Elbow? Use the whole arm you clod.

>>2731953
Arm drawing is a meme. Only useful if you're drawing on a large canvas.

>>2731834
Sounds fine to me. idk about the wire thing unfortunately, maybe someone else will know. :)

>>2731973
Right.

>>2731973
ngmi

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sad old man.

>>2732117
is this shitty photo taken at an angle or did you draw it like this? also you could stand to take more time on drawing ears

>>2732123
the OG photo has the man looking down a little. ears are hard damn it.

>>2732126
I meant I didn't know if the paper was turned at an angle. Just looks compressed on the x axis.`

>>2732127
i resided the image. too big.

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At least I'm finally getting myself into the habit of drawing daily, now only to spend more time and effort.. bonus points if I begin to study properly.

Fun with Pencil in conjunction of Scott Robertson How to Draw is pretty fine right?

>>2732127
Looks like the left side of paper is folding/curling, just judging by the bottom of the paper

>>2732144
paper folds when you draw on it for too long. its the moisture from your hands.

>>2731973
Can you explain this? Why do most books recommend it then?

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>>2728307
So I'm just starting and all of my faces look a little... monstrous? I'm starting to move away from symbol drawing but I just wanted to know if this is fairly typical for someone who's going from never drawing to drawing

>>2732178
keys to drawing

>>2732157
Why don't you see for yourself? Draw strictly with your wrist for a week. Never pivot at your shoulder or elbow and see how hard it is.

You shouldn't follow everything you read on this board.

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how to i draw a cone pointing at me?

>>2732183
I mostly asked why he said it was a meme.
I already draw with my arm / elbow as i avoid drawing with my wrist.

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not sure where to ask this.

how do you add and remove individual tool presets in photoshop?

>>2732190
I'm saying it's a meme that arm = better in all situations

The arm is only strictly better when drawing large things

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Working on dodson how are these?

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Yea

>>2732263
pretty good

>>2729958
>Mana
pleb taste

>>2731618
Your proportions are unbelievably wonky.

If I could guess you probably haven't gotten over symbol drawing, and until you can actually look at something and understand what you're looking at and why it's always going to have weird imperfections like that.

>>2732272
Bruh, she has thicc legs.

best way to start coloring my grey scale paintings? Ive watched tutorials and tried a bunch but everything just looks so muddy.

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>finish something
>think its really nice
>look at it the next day
>die from shame
why do i ever think anything i do is good, even for a little bit?

also does anyone have tips on how to stop drawing small? i keep trying to draw big, but i always go back to drawing tiny as soon as i stop thinking about it. even halfway through a drawing, so some of my stuff looks really messed up

>>2729698
i dont remember what the principle is called, but things that are farther away look more blue. you made things in the distance more pale, which is a start, but far away things look a little bit blue!
also, the pools of water look really nice with the gradient and all that, but shouldnt the waterfalls be creating a little bit of disturbance in them?

>>2728307
How do you draw ergonomically? I keep leaning on my elbow when I draw and I'm pretty sure that's wrong

>>2732355
it's called riley scattering

anyone know where to download eliot glodfinger's human anatomy for the artist?

I only found a couple of files but they were all incomplete.

>>2732367
nvm found it :^)

So are gestures supposed to be, like, WAY easier to draw overhand? I just noticed this recently.

If I try to lay in a figure using the tripod grip I end up with horrible stiff scribbles and even my proportions become abysmally bad. Yet if I switch to the overhand grip, the spirit of Vilppu seems to bless my hand with some sense of gesture and flow and suddenly things begin to look half decent, at least compared to my usual shit.

I'm starting to think this is related to my total inability to draw a figure digitally. WTF, am I just crazy or what. Why does grip change so much.

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>>2731417
Gave it a shot, tell me what you think
>>2731423
I shifted his spine and widened his pose to try to fix it
>>2731425
Altered the foot and removed the tail. I wanted it to sorta look boney but it didn't read well
>>2731828
If I post in there I'll either get no responses or told to come back here again. Also, there are surprisingly fewer shitposters here

>>2732383
Different muscles, different postures, etc. Eventually, it doesn't matter anyways. You'll be tripod grip in the end.

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How's it hanging, brehs?

>>2731910
Yeah actually.

anyone know how not to sameface? I got an automatic reflex to do the same face over and over again and it's fugly, and whenever i try new angles they come off as incredibly warped

what keys/functions do you assign to your tablet pen's side switches? i've got mine on pan and right click, is that weird? what do professionals usually assign to that precious real estate?

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>>2728307
Getting serious about drawing and it just sucks the fucking life out of it all.

The revelation that you can't just swirl your wrists and shit out beautiful art.
Its all very structured and rigorous. There's no freedom, just fucking preschool shapes arranged in a pleasing manner. I played peg holes enough as a child.

So here I am mundanely reproducing complex, incomprehensible structures onto paper with fucking trapezoids and circles and math and fuck if all of that doesn't feel like a big middle finger to God, or mother nature, or whatever force of creation which put this shopping bag into existence.
>"A small scale with infinite complexity? Yeah, watch me mimic that with OVERLAPING FUCKING SQUARES."

I'm not even gonna ask if it gets better, because it doesn't.
At days end everyone, you, me, this whole board, every child that draws their mommy and daddy is a huge fucking cheat.
There's no shame in that, because we can't help it. Catch 22.

End blog.

>>2732445
>or told to come back here again
just gotta learn to ignore those people

Any tips/tricks when it comes to drawing curved forms/ellipses more accurately?

I'm practicing freehanding them but one side is ALWAYS lopsided. Never symmetrical/etc.

>>2732596
Practice it by first drawing a simple plane in perspective, and then drawing an ellipse in there that touches all 4 sides of the plane.

>>2732574
mine has two buttons but desu the second button is too high to be easy to use. My first button is rigght click, I use keyboard controls to maneuver.

>>2729375
>>2729379
thats a fucking meme

weeb shit excels at looking good in the context of weeb shit. All that "learn real proportions then stylize it " shit is a fucking joke if all you want to do is weebshit

a huge amount of popular fan artists and weeb artists have absolute garbage fundamentals and poor understanding of constructing their characters in 3D space.
90% of fan art has characters that have no spine or a realistic pelvis or any form of muscle. All of that doesn't matter when the audience are not people that can tell
the difference and the anime art style can easily hide those things considering most anime art styles have no facial bone structure or most muscles.

i guess the question is, how good do you want to become? keep studying and practicing in the style you want if you are content with not being flexible in the future
but being able to improve in a way that lets you enjoy the art. if you want to become a solid versatile artist that can do a lot of things then you have to pipe down on
the realism.

>>2732445
I think the contrast is a bit much and messes with the over all colors scheme, maybe try pushing the color to a bit more blue so that the red is slightly more purple and yellow more greenish

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trying to get more practice in painting, trying out a new style from a tutorial. Any feedback on the way I laid down the colors on the forms and stuff?

>struggle grinding away at busts and figures
>one day try drawing circles on planes in perspective assuming i could do it easily
>figure out i cant do it well at all
start from the bottom up guys.

>>2732628
eyes slightly too close together, consider the forehead just above the brow isnt as flat as you think, nose dosent look soft enough.
i think you are at the stage where you can start thinking about line weight.
drawing the shoulder and upper torso i think helps you think about neck position/posture.
good work tho

>>2732665
>>2732665
>>2732665

NEW THREAD

>>2732665
>>2732665
>>2732665

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>>2728313
What should i work on to get better, what are my most glaring flaws, and can anybody recommend any good books or videos for me (preferably video, im dyslexic)

>>2733599
Grab photoshop or gimp or something and overlay your drawing with the reference. Neck is absurdly thick, you gave him this weird sort of underbite, and a bunch of other shit. Also he's got no ear or pupils.

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im working in gimp tell whats up