is this illustration worth 70$

Yes.

I need a character drawn similar to this style. but i dont want to pay 70 for it, i am okay with black and white is there anybody who can for 40?

>>2726498
your pic is at least 10 hours of work, do the math

>>2726491
>>2726498
It's actually worth more than 70. Getting something of this quality will cost a fair bit more unless you happen to find a very desperate artist and are okay with taking advantage of them.

>>2726491
That could easily be professional work used in publishing. If that artist had some good connections they could make thousands on that alone.

>>2726498
> but i dont want to pay 70 for it
F-f-f-f-f-f-fuck off then.

>>2726491
in a set this sort of illustration should go 200/per at least.

>>2726511
i understand but i dont see the point paying 70 for a digital image, i offered 50 to the artist but no response and i think 50 is fair since i dont need too much colouring only little

>>2726491

I always do in my mind the math like that:

(number of hours) x ($10-$20 depending on skill) x 120%

>>2726518
Not a bad way of doing it, but the rate could go a lot higher than 20/h if they are skilled. A high level pro might make anywhere from 50 to 200 an hour.

>>2726520

Yeah, but at that level things work a bit different, pro freelance artist usually has a person that represents him and seeks offers that would interest him. They also usually have long-lasting contracts or really big commercial projects they work on for most of a year (like Robertson) and can get % of their royalties from published/made products, so at high level it varies a lot.

>>2726517
Time=money dipshit
If you don't want to pay the artist for their time, do it yourself. Oh, you can't? Then I guess you understand why an artist can charge for their time and skill.

>>2726520
>>2726524

Moreover, guys like Mark Carder are 1 person: not everyone can ask +$75k for painting, but also there's only one guy who does oil painting of USA president.

>>2726517
Wat

Are you some sort of a hobbyist trying to commission artists to make work for pennies?

>>2726517
Yeah, you're right. What's the point of paying money for something you want? Or, while we're at it, for anything? It's not like its meant to compensate for a proportional amount of work or something silly like that.

Both thumbnail and artwork look very good

yes, I'd pay 70 bucks for it

>>2726517

>All these cucks crying that you don't want to pay 70 bucks
>All these cucks that think they can artificially boost the prices of commissions by scolding commissioners

That's perfectly fine. There are plenty of artist that will meet you at your price. You are free to look for the best price that suits you.

>>2726491
If it's available for $70, I'll take it.

Call me a sucker, but I'd be willing to go twice that for that level of quality tho.

>>2726589

This anon is not wrong.

It's a sad reality that many good artists will work cheap, but at the end of the day as businesspeople it's their call, and unless you guys want to make an artists union and start price fixing that's how it's gonna be.

The anon trying to barter a better price is fine, but obviously the artist has no obligation to lower his asking price and do the art and should be respected as well.

>>2726589
There are artists that will work for $50, but not many will do the quality of work in OP for that amount since it's not nearly a livable wage, and the level of OP is professional, even if it is on the lower end of the spectrum.

you are an artist you are going to draw anyway so why not make 50 bucks along the way for your shitty art

File: 1300.gif (1021KB, 169x190px) Image search: [Google]

1021KB, 169x190px

>charge $10/hour, minimum wage, for art
>every now and then someone asks me for full body of their character, background, color
>tell them $30, will take 3 hours
>"yeowch anon, that much money for a drawing? will you do $10?"

>>2726507
>that
>10 hours
Lol

>>2726731
yeah seriously more like 30

>>2726737
theres not even that much detail most of places are just blobs

>>2726731
post work

>>2726491
add enough shiny shit, contrasting background, some speculars and plebs will be all over this shit
seriously, they think the picture isn't "finished" or something unless you make it look like you threw up glitter all over it

>>2726740
It has the appearance of being meticulously rendered, and I don't mean that as a positive thing- just a commonality that I notice from looking at a lot of amateur and mediocre paintings vs advanced and professional ones.

http://123698741.deviantart.com/art/Overlord-642439067
https://www.artstation.com/artist/wagadumbum

This is the artist, and that work was posted less than 12 hours ago

>>2726517
>but i dont see the point paying 70 for a digital image
Then you're kinda not the audience, buddy.

Go for a print instead.

File: sketch.jpg (207KB, 1033x1476px) Image search: [Google]

207KB, 1033x1476px

op here.i fucked up. i commissioned an artist for 40$ asked for a skecth of my character this is what i get.

>>2726775
What the Fuck did you expect?
$40 ain't much, you can't expect quality for two 20s you fag.
Did you pay up front?
If not are you going to pay?

>>2727173
Wow, that really isn't great, did his references differ that much from that? Don't want to blame it on you, but maybe you should've done more research?

>>2727175
Of course 40$ ain't much, but come on, even if you look at it as a sketch it's not worth the money. The majority of the stuff postet in /beg/ is better.

>>2727173
Don't deal with amateurs.

Jeez, that's bad. My condolences, buddy. Coul've set the money on fire, taken a shit on the canvas and gotten a better result.

>>2727175
ofc i didnt pay and i am not going to fucking pay
>>2727179
she says its just early stage it takes time to create final form. well fuck that fuck the artist community. i could have done better than this shit

>>2727173
Didn't you take a look at artist's gallery before ordering it lol?

>>2726491
no it's not. this illustration lacks a lot of detail. i'd pay 20 bucks for something like this.

it's mediocre fantasy art and the artist didn't even finish it.

>>2727200

You're living in a world of deviantart point commissions.

Mediocre fantasy art starts at 100$

If that artist in OP pic is well-known he can easily charge 150$-200$ for that piece.

>>2727187
Oh it's a sketch of the final character, you didn't commission a sketch.

Whoops, jumped the gun on that one.

If the artists gallery is alright and you ordered a full piece, chances are the little doodle you got is going to be literally nothing like the final piece.

It makes sense that it looks like shit because painter's sketches always do. Miscommunication here.

>>2727187
You're a literal retard.

When you commission something you are sent a lightning fast shit on the canvas just to get the concept across and say "hey sort of this composition?"

>>2727173
looks good for a sketch just like how ruan jia starts his paintings.

File: 1466168657454.gif (393KB, 640x360px) Image search: [Google]

393KB, 640x360px

>>2727187
>she says its just early stage it takes time to create final form. well fuck that fuck the artist community. i could have done better than this shit

>>2727204

>It makes sense that it looks like shit because painter's sketches always do

I'm a painterly style artist and my sketches look decent.

>>2727206
Yup, what matters is how artist's actual finsihed work looks like.

>>2727212
Are your sketches line or form?

I mean OP's commissioned artist probably isn't fantastic, they're willing to work for $40 after all, and from what I've seen it's pretty average for average value/form sketches to be sorta nothing looking.

Either this thread is full of shills or self-hating artists that dont want to get paid for their work. Pretty incredible that people are defending OP.

>>2727216
>Are your sketches line or form?

Line. I'm pretty lost if I don't have a drawing underneath the painting.

File: Joseph-Ducreux-THOU-WOULDST-DECLARE-OP-IS-INDEED-A-FAGGOT.jpg (87KB, 590x775px) Image search: [Google]

87KB, 590x775px

>>2727224

No one's defending OP.

File: 1435143844109.jpg (20KB, 480x360px) Image search: [Google]

20KB, 480x360px

>>2726517
go fuck yourself

>>2726594
this

sage because fuck this thread

File: batuhan-titiz-battlehammer7.jpg (358KB, 1920x2924px) Image search: [Google]

358KB, 1920x2924px

I would have charged about $120 for that image.
For $90 - $80 I would've expected something like pic related or even a little less. Maybe not having everything fully rendered.

The artist could have probably asked for even more, honestly. That kind of quality doesn't come with a $70 pricetag, OP

>>2727173
Youre either trolling or very clear miscommunication. Artists usually send a rough sketch of the piece to the client for approval before committing the hours to actually make the piece, what you got is said sketch and not the final artwork.

Also, offering someone 40$ for even basic drawing is offensive, let alone for actual painting.

>>2726730
When you're cheap, you attract cheap customers, how hard is this to understand?

>>2726492
/thread

>>2728324
This

>ic being so talaneltess baited
is this a real life
or respones are part of bait too? i'm don't know anymore

File: 1474567405834.gif (2MB, 320x240px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 320x240px

>this entire thread

File: 1455733834511.jpg (8KB, 241x228px) Image search: [Google]

8KB, 241x228px

>>2728943
A-are you also part of the bait?

>>2726730
The higher you advertise the more people are willing to pay. Price = Quality.

This works only to a certain point if no one has heard of you.

>>2726740
yes let's see your work

>>2727200
lol can you post your work?

>>2729076
yes I can. Am I going to?

no. no I am not.

funny no one takes 40 bucks for a few hours of work. seems /ic artists are all busy and rich faggots

>>2730570
This isn't a McDonalds job and even "a few hours" at McDonalds get you more than 40$. Fuck off.

>>2730570
If it's less than minimum wage it's insulting to you, your craft, and most of all other artists.

I have a job that a fucking monkey could do and get more respect and coin in that than most artists do working their asses off in this. "Rich faggots" indeed.

>>2730619
So you'd rather not earn any money at all? Get off your high horse

>>2730633
Good job assuming that there are no professionals here. I'm not earning shit by doing basically free work, I'm losing money.

>>2730633

I'm selling a product. Nobody will sell you new sports car for $2000 , it's a luxury item.

Better yet - imagine artist is like a watchmaker. You aren't producing $10 plastic wrist watches, you spend hours putting incredibly precise elements together (that you also made) to make luxury item for rich, a wristwatch that is worth $50000.

If you want to be like a factory worker selling his work cheap - go ahead. I won't be like that though and I will make premium goods I put all of myself in and will charge for it appropriately.

>>2730633

Not accepting shit pay isn't being on a high horse. I sincerely doubt you would take sub-minimum wage for a day job. Why should freelance be any different.

He'll, freelance is usually higher per-hour than traditional work. I know editors that charge $50/hour and get tons of work.

>>2726513
no it's not. the main problem here is this anon can't stylize brush strokes. parts of the drawing are well painted and follow a very nice spontaneous gesture, where other areas are overly complex and don't match the rest of the artwork. amateur work at its finest.

>>2726517
Is this bait?

File: beckoning black person.gif (961KB, 436x246px) Image search: [Google]

961KB, 436x246px

If anyone's looking for work from a guy who won't wince at a $70 price point come to my thread pls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dNIQVYGXbM

>>2731409

>>2726518
Hello, can I ask what the 120% is for?

>>2731942
Usually as a freelancer you charge a little bit extra compared to hours that a studio would pay you for, because work is not as consistent as if you were in a studio position. You also don't have a company providing you with things like health and dental insurance, you may need to rent out a studio space, you have to spend time self promoting and dealing directly with clients via email etc. That extra 20% helps cover the costs and time spent on those other activities that aren't relevant for a studio job.

File: 0b10c252667530729658a1902b3b7b35.jpg (80KB, 528x560px) Image search: [Google]

80KB, 528x560px

business student here a littel drunk so i wont try ot waste your time

Q1
>how much time did you spend doing that
take minmum wage as your actual minmum cost, is 2 hours x $10/hour then 20 bucks

Q2
>how long/much money did you spend learning the skill yo have now

you should multiply the hours and cost it took you to get there, and then figure out the minimum entry level i.e where the cost of skill is valued at 0

so lets say 2000hours of practice. research = the minimum entry to start charing fo work

sooooo add how good you are above that.


ALSO THE ONLY WAY TO TRULY KNOW HOW MUCH THAT' WORTH IS TO PUT IN ON THE MARKET and ask for bids.

:)))))


also asa dnd guy, kinda faggy shit but overall comiccon $50 worthy

>>2731977

I actually included that extra 20% so when you are about to give a price, you think "ok, this is sensible" and then bump it more to see if client will oppose. If they will accept fast, it means they expected higher price and next time you can charge more and that 120% will be your base price.

If they will bitch, you go down to 100% and you still work for what you were willing to in the first place.

If you are saying your 100% at the beginning, they will haggle you down to 80% and you will be left unsatisfied.

>>2732362
>not starting at 160%
It's like you don't even want goyim money.

>>2732360
well fuck I'd say most people would be charging thousands if they're actually trying

File: 1476171483316.jpg (132KB, 1852x1134px) Image search: [Google]

132KB, 1852x1134px

>>2726518
>I always do in my mind the math like that:
>(number of hours) x ($10-$20 depending on skill) x 120%
i always hated this shit.

What if i draw really fast?
What if other person of my exact level draws it a little longer?

That means i will get less for a drawing that took so fast.
While other person will get more for a drawing of exact same quality just because it took more hours to him?

What the fuck dude?
Nope - 1 drawing = 1 specific price depending on details.

>>2732474
Yes but you would come up with that flat rate off a rough estimate of how long it takes you.

>>2732474
Then you up the rates depending on skill, hence the "depending on skill" variable.

That said, industry artists who work at those prices don't charge rates, they get paid by wage inhouse, and freelance artists abide by the age old marketing rule "A product is worth what people will pay for it".

A tumblr artist who works for peanuts and the collection-based artist like Kirkade or whatever have mildly different incomes.

>>2730697
let's see your period blood painting, dumbass.

>>2729084
lol you suck.

>>2730633
another dumbass