Currently working on this painting. Many more color glazes left to define details on foreground objects. Will also retexture grass. Thoughts?
Posting more finished work for discussion.
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This and all following are completed works.
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This is one of the first painting I ever sold.
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>>2721795
This is the only one that looks good desu
>>2721842
Any specific comments?
>>2721842
You will probably like this one too.
Appeal to weebz
Update 1
>>2721847
different anon, but you have no sense of color theory whatsoever
Really amateurish anon, if I were to guess your age based on your work I would say you're about 15/16. That said your still lifes show some degree of skill and promise.
Your compositions stand out as the shittiest thing to me. Do some reading and start doing thumbnail sized drawings to improve upon that. Picking up a camera is a good way to learn composition too.
>mfw
I did this copy of a Kitchener for school.
Obviously the original is much nicer but I like how it came out and expected worse. I did this without any training/learning in art or painting and cheap supplies. Do you think it is worthwhile investing time into learning about and practicing painting ect? Thanks.
>>2722994
Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once he grows up.
>>2722707
Pic related. From my sketch book years ago.
Something I'm currently working on
>>2723003
Meant to be non-objective?
>>2723001
you know what OP
I wrote a long as critique for you, but seeing how up your ass you are, I know you were not going to use it anyway
so I deleted it
>>2723011
Ow, I am slay. How can I ever paint again?
>>2723001
just because you have a page with the color theory written down doesn't mean you have a good grasp of it. your colors are muddy and theres no balance. its kindof an eyesore. i guess thats why other anons like your black and white still life more.
>>2723001
Oh look, you copied some color theory diagrams into a sketchbook years ago. I forgot that's all it takes.
Update 2
Close up 1
Close up 2
>>2723066
I am glad that you are taking notes desu.
Alright OP, let's do this.
Glearing problems with composition, like the other anon said. Why would you place your main subjects so close to the bottom edge, occupying so little space, when you're not utilizing the middle ground for any interesting purposes? Usually, when you want to show that much sky, objects closer to you, would appear larger, as if looming over yoü. As it is, it seems as if you're looking down at a scenery, but if that were the case, you would see the horizong a lot higher in the image. There seem to be a confusion about where the vanishing points are located. Also, in terms of colour, you should reconsider not clashing so many high key tones together, when working in complementaries. (Your oranges and browns should be less saturated. They kind of glear against the greens and blues. That river is straight up cartoonish. Have you ever seen running water that blue? It should be a reflection of the mountain above.
I tried to fix some suggestions for you, but did a hatchet job using gimp, since I don't have photoshop on this computer.
Tell me what you think.
>>2723194
Thanks for the critique!
The river comment rings true. I was experimenting with new pigment to paint that. Working to add more reflections and to make the river more pale. Plan to mix French Ultramarine with Raw Umber, Viridian, and white. You can see between update 1 and 2 where I started adding dark greens to the river, especially in the valley and on the far shore. I also plan to sketch in a fallen pine to give the river more scale. What isn't coming across is the intended breadth of the river. I redefined the shadows on left mountain and feel that it added a lot of atmosphere and depth. Might insert some patches of small pine trees on the close shore to develop the space more; maybe even move the shore banks back an inch. Still working.
>>2723194
Was thinking about your comments regarding composition.
In regards to foreground space, pic related is the type of effect that I am after.
I think I understand what you want to be doing, but I believe it might work better as a three-dimensional experience, than a two-dimensional image. It reminds me of stuff I'm interested in, compositionally, but it's hard to pull off when your main concern should be the sense of place and distance in the environment you're in.
Pic is I'm just responding with what I would consider doing.
Holy fucking shit I suck. Trying acrylics and pastels for the first time. Should I start over?
>>2723555
Thanks!
This is actually a simple and effective alternative to my composition. Now to imagine what can I put in front of the figure... I think that putting rocks in front would just be unnatural.
Any ideas anons?
>>2723821
This looks good for a first painting. Make more, explore your own characters.
>>2723846
bushes come to mind.
Can I suggest to look up Verne Dawson. He's not exactly my cup of tea, but he works with small figures in landscapes as well. Normally I wouldn't suggest anything the like on /ic, but you seem quite detached from the general vibe on this board.
What other artists do you look at, OP?
I would check out Peter Doig, Nigel Cooke and Daniel Richter as well.
>>2723555
Reminds me a bit of this Kittelsen painting.
>>2724080
well, I'm Norwegian, so you can only imagine what I was thinking making it
>>2724090
Det forklarer jo en del.
>>2724096
Peder Balke er mer interessant, fåvæ
>>2724122
Er OP også norsk?
>>2723003
a rose?
>>2724132
Nei, da tok jeg feil. trodde en av dere var op. Nice pics, op.
>>2724072
Maybe I can add a hedge of rose bushes, or a wooden fence.
>>2724080
This is a really neat painting, but it is a very different composition if you look at the construction of space and figure proportions. Kittelsen is relying on HEAVY atmospheric perspective to create depth.
Pic related: Other painting that I am currently working on. Forgive the low picture quality; it really obscures the brush marks. Oil paint on poplar panel.
>>2724352
How long have you been painting?
Just fix you compositions first, then worry about what the masses represent. It really does not matter at all whether its a hedge of rose bushes or the corpse of a fallen astronaut, the main concern should be to allow for the gaze of the viewer to travel in a non-convoluted path across the canvas.
The reason I shopped the figure in the photo to stand higher in the image, is not because people need something to stand on, but because leaving the figure at the edge, is a fucking punctuation mark to my eyes, and there are no lines for ME to travel across from there.
>>2724399
Post work
IMO it does matter what my painting represents. I usually am more concerned with the message of my painting than anything else.
>>2724402
Then why not write a book instead?
>>2724411
I also write poetry. Paintings can and more often than not do have messages. However, this is an art forum. Post some of your art for critique.
>>2721809
I like this one but it's probably because it follows some sense of color theory, perspective is off though.
>>2724432
I don't mind. This thread suits me more anyway, since you already opened for stuff I don't usually see on /ic.
I won't try to come across as consistent. What do you think of this stupid asshole painting? Its title is "My favourite kind of creepy is silly"
>>2724474
Thanks for contributing. I like the compliment between the pink and green. Looks unfinished, but it's a neat and unique concept. The white pillars remind me of spirits. Would you mind explaining some of the objects?
>>2724090
ay nigga this is unrelated but im an american who wants to live in norway, should i?
>>2724504
it basically goes like
>cold af winters, less than four hours "sunlight" for months, but fuck me! northern lights and shit!
>never really dark for months during summer, not really warm weather, unless we're really lucky. Then again, we're vikings, so we'll go shirtless if it's above 20 degrees celsius
>also two other seasons. Actuall spring, actual fall.
>more expensive than any place on the entire planet.
>but if you get a full-time job, you'll earn enough money to live very decent compared to all other places in the galaxy, even on minimum wage
>lord of the rings tier landscape and nature stuff
>people are weird. Mostly friendly, just not very extrovert. We don't talk to each other on public transport or anything.
>also we don't say "please"
>tap water tastes better than bottled water
>most people talk very good english, but we will fuck you up the ass if you want to talk about making murica great again. Also, we think Brexit is extremely funny. And the envy of EU is our very success.
Welcome, but treat our women right, our they will beat you up.
>>2724501
Sure. The white pillars are a recurring subject in my work, and has been for many years. I guess the easiest way to describe them are something like stalagmites - or the spirit stalagmites - so we agree on that one. They might be a reference to Tove Jansson's Hattifatteners from the Moonin universe, but that's not really important. They are a simple subjectification of the brush mark and the lapse of time and movement, which is quintessential constituents of any painting. Essentially, they represent growth, but sometimes they look more like chrysalises or cocoons, sometimes like antlers, sometimes floaters (the proteins stuck in you eye balls,) and sometimes stems of plants or tree trunks.
The dark circle might allude to a black sun - I'm into occultism, alchemy and other /x-related subjects. It's also somewhat a take on the foreveralone-meme.
The gestural elements are just that, and a slight nod to Danish painter Per Kirkeby.
Here's another one. Will stop if op is kill
Title: "Synthesis"
>>2724566
I like this one even more than the first. There is a stronger sense of space. I also study /x/ related topics. A lot of my work incorporates sacred geometry like Fibonacci/Golden ratio, Metatron's cube, Kabalistic tree of life, and vesica piscis plus geometric shapes derived from the vesica piscis. Currently planning a painting incorporating winged Assyrian and Babylonia gods from ancient stone reliefs.
>>2724597
just make sure you don't give it all away at once.
I don't speak to anyone in the art world about my occult interests or practises, unless fellow artists dealing with the same, mostly because I deal with too many things at once, and it's ill-adviced to include too much information when trying to give someone a sense of one's practise.
Cheers for liking it, I guess.
Have you got any formal education, or private tutoring?
>>2724646
It makes no difference to me whether people know about the mystical aspects of my art. I started drawing around age 5; took as 5 art classes in high school; intro to drawing, intro to painting, and intro to East Asian art history in college.
To anyone waiting for delivery of next update on original post painting: I will update tomorrow night, was working on other projects today. OP is definitely not kill.
lemme have it /ic/
>>2721787
love thos clouds anon, yours arts so bad its actually good, i can see these being framed in small town dentist waiting rooms or coffee shops
>>2724837
Every artist makes bad paintings.
I'm embarrassed by the ground leaves and think Im bad at texture. What should I focus on to remedy the fucking mess?
>>2724936
Post the ref for starters
>>2724936
Medium?
>>2724942
I didn't use a ref. I caught a glimpse of someone's driveway on a bike ride and wanted to paint what I remembered. Sorry.
>>2724944
digital
>>2724837
>Fucking trash bin labeled anime
>>2724936
Hope it helps.
How op is so kill
>>2724959
Never comment again.
>>2724352 Update
2-3 more layers to go.
>>2725710
Why are you mad though?
>>2721809
I think you should have put a little more detail on the far background, the water looks much more detailed than the stuff it's reflecting.
>>2721789
this is really neat. i would just go deeper with the detail and patterns
1/3 currently working on it.
2/2
(I fucked up on previous post)
Older one.
Both of these remind me of WoW character art.
>>2725881
The details on the hair really shine in this one. The facial expression is difficult to read and the right side of her neck/shoulder could use more definition; it looks much bulkier compared to the left side. The eyes strike me s being rather widely opened. This could be purposeful, but looks a little unnatural in the current iteration. Finally, it is hard to read the light source.
>>2725883
This work appears much more fully rendered. The costume is imaginative and the skin looks good, but a bit lifeless because the skin lacks the vibrancy of dramatic hue variation. Your skin tones can and should include reds, greens, blues, and yellows. It looks like she has a butt on her lower abdomen due to the deep value of the vertical shadow. The right hip also looks wobbly as if there are two points of articulation.
Again, light source seems indefinite in this one. Are the hands meant to glow?
>>2725881
4032x3022 resolution............. resize it when you post to 1000 or so....
was suffering from gastro when i made
looks a little grim. rate ?
>>2726133
but heres my srs work i guess
rate
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>>2726139
my works super edgy btw
>>2726133
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>>2726142
Cringe-tier subject matter aside, the line work is clean for the most part. Work on varying line thickness and value.
Pic related is an exaggerated example of the the techniques described. Notice how some lines are thicker/thinner and darker/lighter.
GENERALLY, not always, lines closer to the foreground are thicker and darker.
>>2726160
dude thanks
i enjoy working on the subject matter desu
Youre right, i darken lines to give basically make them stand out on their own
>>2726162
and your example is great as well
**desu, not desu**
>>2726162
Glad it helped. By adding variation to lines you will create more realistic figures with more depth. Using the same weight/value of line across an entire drawing makes it appear flat or cartoon-like. It is good to understand the effects that both techniques create.
>>2726167
exactly, I tend to make a lot of similar work, reception is quite positive but the constructive criticism I've been yearning has finally come thanks anon
>>2726174
>Be me
>Be in HS art classes
>Semi-believe positive "critiques" from mirin art girls
>Get a little lazy (Still producing multiple works every week, but with less finesse)
>Art quality decreased for a while as I ventured into more and more indulgent and abstract subjects.
>Never let yourself be flattered
It is hard to find real constructive criticism in the world. I notice that artists tend to be defensive ego-maniacs or insecure and incapable of true criticism. That's what brought me here, but it seems like this place is a lot of the same; maybe a little better.
>>2725815
I'm not sure why you are layering?
I can't see why you can't just do this alla prima.
>>2726459
Technically I could, but this allows for more control. It can be messy painting highlights, low lights, and eventually pine cones all in one layer.
Layer 1: Blue wash
Layer 2: Tree trunk and main branches
Layer 3: Mid-value green
Layer 4: Green shadows
VVV not yet painted VVV
Layer 5: Green highlights
Layer 6: Secondary branches
Layer 7: Pine cone base
Layer 8: Pine cone highlights and shadows
It's raining though, so there hasn't been enough sunlight for me to work on this yesterday or today.
>>2726463
Here is a bit of of my recent still lifes. This has layers, shadows & highlights, painted wet in wet very quickly.
>>2726618
What am I looking at? Red round objects on a table. Apples?
I am not denying that you can do it alla prima, but it is undoubtedly a different visual style.
>>2726618
Also, I dig the colors here. Can I see the full canvas?
>>2726626
Kek! They're conkers
This is only 8x10, about 75 mins.
I usually paint landscapes or figures, so don;t have such a dark background, I can't photograph it for shit. Plus I wonder whether it needs a varnish to tie the layers together. IDK
>>2726633
Looks good Anon. I wish I had more expressive brush strokes like you. Any advice? Just use more paint and be quicker? I've always been somewhat stingy with my paint, but want to go thicker with my next canvas.
>>2726642
Well Nemo, I was getting very thin with my paint so I swapped to still life, & forced myself to use more. But even so there is not a lot of paint on this, really only in the lights.
Do you make an under-drawing in darks (no white) to put the ideas into the painting? Someone like Donald Jurney has a lot of info about this on his instagram, plus he works from his imagination too.
https://www.instagram.com/donaldjurney/
It might make things more ordered & move you along faster ,to try that method?
>>2726652
Thanks! I enjoy Jurney's work, but it is not the direction that I would like to go. I usually make an under drawing and under painting of the major forms, but do not go into much detail. Although I have done detailed under drawings in the past.
Pic related. Drawn from photo.
Yes, the model's face really looked like that.
>>2726016
Thank you.
I see what you're saying
And yes, the hands were meant to glow and I see now that I should've made bright reflection of that and change the shadows patterns.
Bump for visibility
Anatomy Study
Face muscles side view
3/4 view
A fun painting.
>>2723821
My first pastel drawing of the joker.
Update 3
Close up 3
Update 4
Oil on canvas 18x24"
Close up 4
Im currently working on this, what do you think?
>>2734101
Good grisaille, I would have pushed the shadows darker. The composition is not very captivating.
Even though the face is foreshortened, the hand appears a bit large in comparison. It looks like his head is sitting on his shoulders and there is no neck. Also, strange abdomen bulge?
I am nitpicking on proportion only because this is such a focused composition. I look forward to seeing it with full glaze.
What surface are you painting on?
Its conson paper and chalk, the migt look too big becouse its not next to his head but a bit in front of it, hopefully when im finished with drawing shadows on clothes it will not look fine. I agree with the fact that composition is a bit off. Hopefully ill finish this tonight and post it here, thank you for your critique
>>2734112
>hopefully not look fine
I think im going to go kill myself
>>2734113
No. Anon, you are going to make it.
I think im finished, its still rough around the edges tho, going to fix some things tommorow. Feels like in the end I started to ruin it becouse im quite tired and wanted to end this as quick as possible.. suggestions welcome
>>2734399
I like it. I think it might be nice if you receded some of the darkest parts of the foreground into the bg so they feel like they share the same space. think about edge variation and softening some of your outlines.
>>2734399
Nice work bro
I'd get rid of that line cutting through the middle of the nose though.
The hands are quite large, my Great Grandfather used to paint hands quite large as well. I don't have a huge problem with it as I like the cold white emphasis on them.
>>2726633
I personally don't like all the canvas fibres showing through. I used to be real obsessive about it though so don't worry too much.
Is this acrylic? I feel oils would have a better finish, a bit glossier, a bit stronger
Check out Lucian Freud's still lives
>>2723821
I think its pretty good, although the hair is a little flat especially towards the ends.
People were asking about how I start my paintings; pic related shows an early under painting with some pencil sketching beneath it.
This is a canvas that I started a long time ago and have not finished. Any suggestions are welcome.
>>2735187
Here is a drawing that I plan to add to the composition.
Drew this morning
made him look extra gay somehow
i hate how the canvas texture shows through the paint
>>2736505
I think the jaw flares out too much
>>2736505
Acrylic, watercolor?
I appreciate Joji's work and immediately recognized the portrait. The painting is very sketchy and can work like that. I could also see you going back to refine some of the details; this could also disguise some of the canvas texture. IMO there is nothing wrong with canvas showing through, but the thicker you apply your paint (or the more layers you use) the less the canvas shows.
>>2736517
The jaw does look bigger than the model's, but I think it's looks fine.
>>2736505
Prime it with gesso before painting if you don't want the canvas texture showing
More anatomy and plane studies from today.
>>2736542
its oils
and yeah this was just a sketch kinda, did it in 2-3 hours. My goal is painting decent Alla prima portraits in 1hour or less
im a bit of a perfectionist so i have to set a time limit or i end up oveworking the paintings, eliminating any type gesture or muddying up the colors
>>2736708
eyes are way too big
Just sketched this. How am I doing on face anatomy?
>>2736829
From imagination without a reference.
>>2734417
It's painted on linen. IRL you can't see the weave, it just picked it up on the photo.
And it's oils.
>>2736505
>Joji
I don't know what a Joji is.
>>2737063
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dCUDvDQi0M
Here is one of his songs.
Good art music, one of Filthy Frank's (George Miller's) personas that he uses to make music.
Got started on Bill Perkins' NMA lessons, this is my second attempt in oil, 30 min value painting.
Still having a lot of trouble getting clean edges and figuring out how much paint to use. Atm I feel like I'm just wasting expensive materials.
>>2737693
Do not skimp on your paint. Good painters use as much paint as they need. Clean edges are easier to achieve when you use a lot of medium or not medium. You can also get clean edges by overlapping layers. This painting looks pretty good, try working a little bigger next time.
Pic: I painted this today. Oil on 9"X12" heavyweight (185 lb) textured paper designed for acrylic, painted alla prima with a color restricted palette (Naples yellow, cadmium red light hue, French ultramarine blue, black and white). Will add a few more layers tonight and hopefully finish it. Feedback welcome as always.
please yell at me
i don't really paint much
>>2738210
I WOULD HANG THIS IN MY CIGAR ROOM IF I HAD ONE OF MY OWN, ANON. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? A PLACE TO SMOKE CIGARS PRIVATELY AND DRINK LIQUOR. THIS IS THE PAINTING FOR THERE.
WOULD HANG IN CIGAR ROOM/10
This is good if you don't really paint much, just work on line clarity.
>>2738180
Your advice is relatively sound but the proportions of the pic you posted are super messed up.
The eyes are way too close together and one is significantly bigger than the other.
You really need to work on your drawing foundations a lot more, and if you're painting from reference like I assume you are, then you need to work on learning sight size method too cause this is pretty wonky.
Aside from construction the values could use a lot of work too
>>2738233
You're right about the eyes, the painting does not look much like the reference. I didn't do any drawing or measuring for this. I just started with a loaded brush on blank paper. I was inspired by the Filthy Frank portrait and wanted to try.
I am learning that it is really difficult to draw with just a brush and no pre-work.
>>2738210
Anotha one
This one was digital tho
>>2738210
i have like 4 empty jack bottles in my room and i like the words. made me heartily smile
>>2738180
hey dude quick tips for speedpainting in oils - light underpainting with lots of medium in a single colour - sepia tones tend to do the trick - just shove in some value here and there to indicate where eye crevices should be, cheek shadows etc. should take less than 20 mins to dry, then you paint on top.
i think you personally need the underpainting for your pieces because damn son those eyes are way out and you haven't put in the crucial forms of the nose and mouth - the values are off which are the things you ought to give an indication for very early on or you'll get lost in trying to make form out of just illustrating details. here's an example of a speedie demonstration i did for a student a month or so ago, took less than half an hour. you can see in his painting he's still messed his form and values up quite a bit. basically, like what the other anon said - you gotta work the drawing foundations first. if your drawing skills aren't up to scratch, your paintings are going to suffer immensely.
and ye, sargent's advice regarding colours and quantity of paint are good and all, but using medium and small bits of paint and learning those fundamentals regarding oils are essential to making the most of sargent's advice.
>>2738180
so here's an example except done digitally obvs - and yeah i colour picked because wanted to get it done quickly.
>I am learning that it is really difficult to draw with just a brush and no pre-work.
well that's just it - you're drawing with a brush and it's no different to how you'd do it with a pencil or digital brush. you just gotta think in the fundamental blob of a form first and then hoe in on the details and precise colours.
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>>2738495
Thanks! This is awesome, solid advice and I really appreciate the help. I will try another similar portrait tonight and report back.
Pic related, will be my model.
>>2738507
sounds good m8, lookin forward to it
>>2736829
Drawing from imagination is not going to take you very far, and you've got a looong ways to go. Draw from reference and study how faces look from different angles. It's what I'm focusing on these days.
>>2738524
Honestly, you seem knowledgeable. If you were to rate my collection of work ITT from 1 to 10 with 1 being never drawn and 10 being old master, how would you rate it? 3/10?
>>2738528
Sorry for double post.
This was actually from my understanding of anatomy learned in Riven Phoenix Structure of Man. I am trying to learn the mannequin model that he uses.
Post work?
I added a little more last night before I went to bed and before I saw any replies. Don't think that it helped much.
>>2736829
>>2738180
you're missing some fundamental drawing skills regarding proportion and i have a hunch you're the kind of newbie who spends too much time on one drawing and maybe has difficulty letting go and accepting it's just a sketch etc.
in some regards it's about quantity and not quality. be sure to do a lot of loose stuff and shit stuff and don't stress over the details unless it's a final piece or you're keen to specifically focus on rendering that day. lots of sketches.
ye idk 2/10 since you're missing a lot of crucial stuff.
i posted in progress thread earlier today hence the autistic quantity of images
>>2738544
yeah, your values are dogshit and you already know your proportions are out. i think it's a problem in translating not just 3D information but 2D as well.
i suggest doing a lot of loose sketches of stuff from life or copying a line drawing. i can tell you're keen to do these other studies and i think you'll still benefit from those while you're doing these other ones. maybe do a lot of quick life sketches and copying some line drawings (pick an artist or a few of them), say 1 min for each and 5 - 15 each day, and then use these oil painting photo studies to push whatever you learn from the shorter studies.
check this post for my general opinion on understanding drawing since i think you'll benefit in seeing where you're at from there >>2738509
>>2721787
The clouds are cool. Next time try keeping the background lighter than your foreground - it'll give your piece more depth.
I'm not proud of it, but here is the under painting for speed portrait exercise 2.
Waiting for it to dry then will color.
>>2738553
I don't know if you're just trolling, but your progress portfolio is terrible. I am actually the drawing since a young child meme.
>>2738553
Could you possibly put an indicator of how often you drew during each of these stages? Because this is incredibly slow progress if you were drawing often. You don't seem to have ever studied any fundamentals and your only competent work is copied from photos.
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>>2738799
This under painting is taking longer than anticipated to dry. Was inspired to draw Bateman.
>>2738796
ye i am literally the proof that even if you were ~teh gud art kid~ in class in primary school but you dont do much then you're just gonna be the mediocre artist meme incarnate when you're older
>>2738799
if it's any indication pretty sure the last 3-4 years of content on the chart is all i actually drew :(
>>2739215
How old are you? I don't really like your style, but you definitely have potential. I did not see any structured anatomical studies in your progress picture. I think that measuring the human body and your representations of it will help you a lot.
>>2738655
Started glazing this, but have not finished. Going to work soon and didn't want this thread to get archived yet, so here is an update.
>>2741352
problems i noticed:
eyes seem too big. They're also asymmetrical. The neck seems too long and narrow. It somewhat doesn't look connected to the head. The head is too round.
that's just what i noticed though i'm not even that good at drawing so take it with a grain of salt
>>2741590
Thanks mate! These comments really helped.
The eyes are a little big, in the underpainting because I like to have some wiggle room in the glazing so that I can overlap the eyeball and get a clean edge on the eyelids. The eyes are asymmetrical, but I was trying to capture the 3/4 view; they're definitely not symmetrical in the ref, but probably not as asymmetrical as I depicted them either.
The neck is is a little narrow because I am going to freehand hair overlapping it. The head also seems rounder because I didn't finish the full volume of the hair in the underpainting.
Post work?