/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

Apart from drawing lines, circles, ellipses and boxes, what are some good beginner exercises? (of course other than actually drawing, you know what I mean)

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quick study. may push more fur detail later

Is there a website or program that will let me view the ribcage at any angle? I am having a very hard time translating even the basic ribcage shape at various angles. This site helps me but only gives me a 360 view. http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/female-ribcage-skeleton-3d-3ds/1025036

>>2692642
Basic forms (cube, sphere, cylinder), and especially how they connect ot each other. It's important to feel that they take up 3D space, and aren't just flat, ambiguous lines on paper. It's hard to get, but you do it by trying, and analyzing what went wrong. Once you understand forms, and can operate eith them freely, drawing gets really easy.

>>2692675
Also going around surface of a form, it's something you have to learn

>>2692672
simplify it to an egg or a cuboid. They're easier to draw than a full detail rib cage.

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>>2692586
Two hours in and I've realised i forgot to measure proportions once again.

>>2692688
Yeah that is my problem. When I simplify it to a cube or sphere I dont see it as a ribcage anymore.

What is the proper "form" while drawing?
I thought it was as simple as pen+paper but apparently there's a difference based on wether you're sitting or standing, or if you're using only your wrist (easy) or your shoulder is involved in the process (fuckin' hard).

What does /itc/ think is the best , or at least necessary pose/position to draw properly?

>>2692689
Try getting the overall face in before starting to add detail

>>2692675
>>2692678
ok, thanks.

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How's the gesture?

>>2692880
That's a sketch, anon, not a gesture drawing. And the forearms are too long.

>>2692898
Oops, i thought it was a draw thread, sorry. And yeah, it's a sketch, and the arms are long on purpose.

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I'm having serious qualms with what begets depth in images. I'm wondering if the compositions are too uniform also!

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How do i learn to draw face hands tits and foot??

>>2692928
By thinking and simplifying.

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thoughts?

>>2692944
Is this a filter, or your camera just sucks? Her right hand stands out the most. Red stiky und loomis

>>2692951
Nah I put a filter on it, make it look kinda surreal? I dunno.

>>2692944
those hands are just awful. especially her right one. I think you meant for her palm to be down? in which case the thumb is on the wrong side. in either case it looks like a limp glove. boneless.

>>2692944
unappealing

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But Anon what is your opinion on the torso?

>>2692953
Filters can't hide your lack of skill. Study, git gud, stop feeling insecure about your art, live the dream.

>>2692981
The palm is supposed to be facing towards the camera.
>>2692997
It's not supposed to be sexually attractive.
>>2693006
The filter was for effect, not to hide the errors.

>>2693016
projecting

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shapes

>>2693016
>It's not supposed to be sexually attractive.

That isn't entirely what "appealing" means.

>>2693016
>>2692944
I mean it's fine to have anime be the end goal, or the desire to draw well... but try to keep that stuff in the style thread. /beg/ is a place for practicing fundamentals, asking questions related to them, getting "progress reports" from your peers. To be blunt, nobody here cares about a full render anime picture, especially ones with anatomical errors. Not trying to be a dick

>>2693022
Try to use vanishing points next time, your perspective is a little wonky

>>2693021
What?
>>2693023
Fair point. It's supposed to give a sense of unease.
>>2693024
I get it. I'll leave.

>>2692689
gonna make it

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OK guys I have a question.
When and how should a beginner start making the transition from just pencil and paper to other traditional media? And which medium is best? Watercolor, oil, etc?

>>2693270
Whenever you want and there is no best medium. Some mediums are more difficult than others, but that's it.

>>2693270
>When and how should a beginner start making the transition from just pencil and paper to other traditional media?

Whenever you like, but keep in mind that if you can't draw it'll probably mean your paintings will still look crap.

>And which medium is best?

What's your goal? Find a medium that appeals to you, they can get vastly different results and the results you like are a matter of personal taste. If there was an objectively superior medium, people probably wouldn't bother with the alternatives.

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HELP

I'm using photoshop CS5 and I use the Z+cursor to zoom in and out of the image. However it likes to change from a 'zoom to cursor' to 'zoom to center of image' and its very annoying to have to readjust the image after zooming. Googling didnt turn up anything. Can anyone help me out?

>>2693287
For god's sake man paint something using traditional media

hello my people

>>2693298
i don't have the money for that at the moment, but don't you think i'd be even worse?

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can someone line over this to show me what i can improve

>>2693352
You don't need a redline when someone can tell you to study anatomy more

>>2693370
ok im just drawing randomly reading the book is boring feelsbadman

>>2693384
which book senpai

>>2693393
steve huston one

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Can I get an practice schedule for a beginner artist looking to gain the fundamentals needed to become a good animator? I'd really appreciate it.

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>>2693418
In drawing, all the fundamentals are the same regardless of whether or not you're becoming an animator or a prop designer. Usually working from what's in the sticky and going downwards is how it's taught on /ic/.

>>2693423
What if I'm not structured enough to practice without an instructor guiding me.

>>2693293
by "cursor" you mean swiping left/right with the stylus right? if so, try using ctrl+cursor to zoom instead of z

>>2693424
You should take an art class then. That could physical at a school, or even online with things like CGMA, Noah's Art Camp, Master Workshop or something, etc.

>>2693425
kek just tried this and your keystroke and it does the exact same thing. no idea how to fix it, why does it bother you so much?

>>2693433
I'm taking a Drawing class right now and I'm basically doing gesture drawing with a figure for 3 hours twice a week. It's pretty nice.

What classes would you suggest at CGMA? I've heard mixed things about it.

>>2693440
I'm not the type to really listen to people and experience things for myself before judging them, so I would say everything at CGMA is pretty good if you have the opportunity to take them all. It also starts in an order, so it'll help you build your foundation exactly right.

>>2693446
That's weird. The 2D academy part of the CGMA site is down.

>>2693451
Seems like it is.

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one may call this a self portrait of sorts

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i fucking suck, should i just start doing gestures instead?

>>2693596
You should learn how to read first. Like the OP.

>>2693591
Post boi pussy
>>2693596
No you need to do still lifes and develop a base understanding of perspective and form. Human heads and figures are not a good way to learn the very basics.

That said I like how all beginner heads look exactly like that.

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>>2693596
did i fix it?

>>2693602
The jaw drawn at a single, unchanging angle (at least on the y axis) and the rest of the cranium not fully developed off of the loomis ball. It's like clockwork.

>>2693423
>illustrator
>moderate gesture

>character/creature designer
>moderate color theory

>anything
>moderate perspective

Oi lad I'm laffing

>>2693604
Heads too wide, eyes too large and close together, no neck anatomy, ears never drawn in perspective, side of the face in 3/4ths is single line with no indication fo cheek/mouth/brow/jaw arches, they all look E X A C T L Y the same, when I flip through my old lined paper notebook from when I decided to learn to draw they look just like that too.

>>2693603
Alright, now use printer paper instead of lined paper and we'll check your shit again.

>>2693423
>animator
>anatomy more important than perspective

ho boy...

>>2693677
wtf even is this honestly

>>2692933
>By thinking and simplifying

Stfu you spastic

>>2692928
Just look up guides/read books, it's all there, friend

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Finished drawing on the right side of the brain and did decently I think.

Moved onto Loomis and I'm suddenly shit. SHIIIIIIIIIT. Am I missing an in between step of construction? Do I need to focus on still life and geometric shapes for a while or grind loomis?

Can anyone tell me if Michael Hampton's anatomy books are good?

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Trying gesture sketching

>>2693729
Doesn't right side teach you how to think in 3D? Or am I mistaken?

That face looks like a mask.

>>2693755
Just curious anon, is this the first step to figure drawing, because I have no fucking clue where to start

>>2693729
man you've kind of regressed back into symbol drawing on that face. the eye isn't just a flat rectangle, and the iris shouldn't be so damn large. if you want to tough it out on loomis, painstakingly compare every line you're drawing to every line in the diagram because that obviously isn't happening here. i'd say try still lifes and simpler objects, though.

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>>2693729
>he fell for the "Fun With a Pencil is a Meme" meme.

>>2693766
I havent drawn in years so Im starting from scratch basically. Ive been alternating between drawing boxes, gestury figure drawing trying to capture action and body landmarks in the right spots, and drawing circles/lines to get used to a digital tablet.

The vilppu videos on youtube have been interesting, if a bit long winded:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL15SxrspR1ZO3po6JI90rZgvuG6y6gx8m

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So, I've been drawing for about 9 months, but I don't draw too much because I get too sad about my incompetence. I figure I'll just power through this and ask for advice because I really don't know what to do...

I'll post my drawings since I've started and ask for a direction.

Pic related was my first after getting my drawing tablet and my first serious drawing. It doesn't look good, a lot of symbol drawing and it just doesn't look good I guess.

I drew it with no reference, as the pose I had in my mind was just darnt impossible to find any reference for.

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>>2693801
Second one I tried after the first one, which was kind of trash.
A lot of symbol drawing again, no reference.
Just fuck my shit up, really

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>>2693803
I decided to try something more simple since I was getting my shit wrecked.
In the end, picture is very flat, and the tank looks pretty bad even for a first. I'd need the help of a pro to help me fix this

>>2693806
More line weight would help your tank really pop like you did for the barrel.

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>>2693806
After that I just decided to stop being a retard and start using references...which I guess led me to start doing portraits

First one. Looks pretty bad, eyes are very cartoonish. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and it shows.

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>>2693810
Second one. Pretty okayish I guess, shading is also passable. I might post the original, but eh

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>>2693812
Sorry for the high res.

Anyway, third one. I posted this last week asking for advice for the shading and got some pretty good replies.
Also got accused of tracing, which I don't really do. I mean I guess it's accurate somewhat, the shading is just bad though.
Also the hair was just full JUST

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>>2693813
I got the advice of being more careful with values and use bigger brushes for shading, which resulted in pic related.

Which really just made me want to to give up.
After all this, the eyes are still somewhat cartoonish.
Shading is still just alright. IDK if it's because my monitor's blacks aren't deep enough so I can't judge values correctly with it... (it's a $99 monitor)

I'll post the originals, and hopefully some kind soul will guide me. I'm really stuck on why it just doesn't seem to get right

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>>2693818
Help me out...I'm on the brink here.
Why does it look bad? How can it improve?

>>2693813

>sorry for the high res
>posts more high res

Just resize the fucking things, it takes like 20 seconds.

>>2693823
Yeah yeah, my bad man

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>>2693818
>>2693819

Sorry anon, I'm not sure I buy the "I don't trace' thing.

>>2693825
You can see a lot of inaccuracies there though.
That aside, can you help me figure out why the shading looks bad then...
I mean honestly, I don't really care.

>>2693825
I'll play the devil's advocate here, but if someone drew this as his first >>2693801 without a reference, with a reference the person can be pretty accurate.

It's possible to be that accurate if you're good enough.

>>2693828
That gif actually helped me look at a lot of reasons of why I think it looks bad.

>>2693829
To be honest, this is a thread where people circle jerk loomis and do traditional art. You should really go somewhere else with more experienced people, or make a thread so more experienced artists can help you out.

Get ready to get called out by salty, untalented dudes though

>>2693277
I don't think the stomach should push out so suddenly on the fat guys torso.

>>2693832

The guy's art looking traced has nothing to do with Loomis, and /ic/ hardly pushes traditional art. Going "kek they're just untalented" doesn't magically make that guy's art not suspiciously line up to his reference.

Yes, theoretically a skilled artist can get that close if they really tried - I'm still not gonna buy it when some guy in a beginner thread throws it out.

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Combining Fun with a Pencil and drawabox.

>>2693844
eyes look too close together, and I know they're all just simple sketch faces but it's kind of same facey, try to switch up things like like the size and shape of the lips and nose

>>2693842
Have a random guy buy a tablet.
Have him draw something that looks like this anything close to this
>>2693803
And then you talk about myself tracing.
It really looks bad for a drawing, and I only get disappointed with myself because I expect much more from what I can do. A person who can free hand that much obviously will be much better using reference. No secret here, and honestly it's not even that accurate.
I fucked up the lips pretty badly and the neck is completely messed up...which is reasonable since I didn't really focus on those areas as much as the eyes (because I didn't want them to be cartoony). I still failed though.

Good luck finding a reference for those first two I posted and accuse me of tracing those. Please do. You won't.

>>2693849
Main point is, if you really didn't trace, then you shouldn't even be in this thread is what he's saying.
Even as far as shading goes, if you keep just doing what you're doing eventually you will improve.

>>2693842
well, what if the guy is da vinci's reincarnation
might as well pack your shit and go to china, we buddhism now

>>2693704
An ice cream seller re-enacting the plot of No Man's Sky.

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I pooped this one out recently as a painting. This was to test a combination of things I've learned from the past and to see where my skill level is. Please give me your thoughts! We're all gonna make it bros.

>>2693903
The pinky on the right hand looks off, maybe it should be shorter? And i think you need to learn how to connect the head to the torso better. But who knows, i'm a beginner so this could just be me pissing in the wind.

>>2693849
bet you're feeling really fuzzy inside for showing off to beginners aren't you

When working on Loomis' "Fun with a pencil" should I just try to copy the "loomis style" or should I try to use the idea of the exercises and draw in a way I feel comfortable?

I've been doing nothing but Peter Han and Scott robinson line excercises for the past 2 weeks

How fucked is my sketching from life gonna be when I get back to it?

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Why does anatomy books shows dicks and balls, but still hides pussy? im not 15y horny bastard, i can handle it...

>>2694112
book is "classic human anatomy: artist guide to form function and movement" if anyone cares

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could someone please red line pic related's arms starting from the shoulder and how they connect to his torso? I can't really figure it out as the clothing is in the way.

>>2694112
It's called "public hair".

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I have no idea how to use this book

>>2694160
What's your skill level?

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>>2694152

>>2692665
looks pretty good for a beginner

>>2693927
Do what you feel is comfortable.

>>2692665
looks crosseyed

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In some twisted second reality: people look like amateur studies from newcomer portrait drawers.

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>>2694177
I can decently copy things and draw some kickass circles, that's about it.

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How can I make this not look like faeces?

>>2693818
Eyy I remember you. It looks better, but in the end you still get that weird texture on the shading because you 1. abused soft brushes/smudging too much, and 2. should've kept some of the values more simple as opposed to trying to overblend it like you did on the stage left side of her face. another main issue is you put black outlines around everything - bottom of nose, bottom of eye. You need to focus on drawing with values instead of such unnatural-looking contours. The hair looks good, so try and approach the face like you did the hair I guess. (then again it might be because it's all black).

>>2694302
post your kickass circles

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>>2692579
Is there an easy way of keeping track of what the fuck is what thing while drawing cars?.
Holy shit, I feel like ending myself.

>>2694343 If the colours defining the lines heading towards the vanishing were a bit less opaque and the structure created from them was emphasized it wouldn't look very bad at all

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>>2694343
>>2694344
nvm I just found out that messing with opacity helps a lot.

>>2694343
with construction, use thin lines on low opacity.
Or even better, pick up a pencil. Learning Scott Robertson kinda stuff in digital is a very, very bad idea.

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Is this symbol drawing?

>>2694385
Not entirely, but in some parts it's hard to tell. In either case it's not well observed. Try to draw the exact shapes and angles and proportions you see.

>>2694385
yes
the fuck are you basing on to do that drawing

>>2694385
was it necessary to take up three posts for this thread

>>2694388
Not really, but I'm an incompetent person with a short attention span

>>2694385
I have some conceptions of eyes that are hard to break out of, but it was the image next to it I was basing it off of

>>2694388
I think I posted two others as well, but those were at least different images.

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I know this is absolute utter shitty crap /ic/...tell me something i didn't know.

>>2694397
What is that? Surrealism? Point is it's so far outside the realm of normality that it is beyond critique. You have created both a complete masterpiece and the worse piece of art in human history.

What i can say for certain is that you forgot to fucking resize it.

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batch of female heads, just fuck me up fampai

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>>2694410
In most of these the general structure and proportions are pretty good (though a couple are a bit off). If you want to draw women's faces though, having too many lines on it really takes away from the feminine qualities. I would either do your construction very lightly or erase it entirely, and make sure that every line you do put down counts for something.

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>>2694343
>>2694355
Alright, if everything goes dandy, I will finish today.

>>2694419
Wow, not him but that's pretty neat.

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Thank you for the advice! Keeping angles as a priority has helped me become disillusioned with space. The result is new but looks like an American person and not the man.

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>>2693287

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>>2694427
And the right-hand eye is lower than the left-hand eye, which is stupid.

Is bigger better when it comes to studying and practicing? I'm referring to loomis heads, my base circles doesn't go any larger than the extent of my wrist Even though I'm already actively using my shoulders. The larger it gets, the uglier the drawing becomes, placements and all. This may have been caused by two years of drawing in a really small tablet (5x3)

>>2694432
Artists would always encourage you to work larger, because you will begin to work in a very careful style which is banal to working in smaller perspectives, and you might find that large can actually be more forgiving; you can correct details and anomalies at smaller incurs than in the smaller sizes?

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So I ditched that whole "upside down Picasso" exercise and took an anons advice, started practicing how to construct heads since that's what I'm enjoying right now.

Honestly have to say that even though these are extremely simple (and probably bad, need some criticism here), I'm at least having fun with it.

Also been watching a lot of Proko videos. He is slightly annoying but his tips really come in handy.

I will keep practicing these heads, but I don't know which features of the face I should start practicing.

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>>2694464

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>>2694420
Almost there

>>2694467
christ

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>>2694419
>mfw i get a redline

>>2694464
You can start with the resize feature

>>2694467
is this bait

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>>2694467
>>2694490
Noper.
According to the Superduppercalifragilisticexpialidocious scott robertson, It's all bout shape now.
Honestly I don't know if I should finish this step since it's basically tracing and adding details from now on, I already completed the base (like learning to do anatomy and debate if I should add the body details after completing the body guide lines).

>>2694500
What am I even looking at here

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>>2694508
The silhouette of a car toy (I'm not doing pic).
I just picked "Drawing hot wheels the scott way"
I thought that if I used a simple form it would be easier.
Oh boy was I wrong.

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can i have a correction about what im doing here?

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>>2694336
here are some circles

>>2694511
>cross hatched hair
>pillow shaded everything
wat

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>>2692579
Irrelevantly putting this out there cos no colour version exists and I've done the work.

Any one got any good eye or other facial features to practice?

>>2694522
You're on the right track. Just keep going.

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>>2694500
Alright, I think I'm done with the scott robertson book. I read it with the intention of understanding mechanics and vehicles so I can draw a plane. This was the last excersise of the book.
I'm pretty fucking nervous for some reason, I'm afraid of screwing up my sketch and ending looking like dog shit.
Wish me luck anons
/blog

>>2694545
all i see are wobbly ovals

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>>2694665
>>2694666
that what i has done after one mont of drowing. what do u think abaut that?

>>2694669
sry, me bad in english

>>2694670
What country are you in currently?

>>2694669
DARKEN YOUR VALUES

>>2694669
>that what i has done after one mont of drowing. what do u think abaut that?
Well, the lack of oxygen in the brain does explain those drawings

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What do you guys think of my progress so far? Pic related was about 11 months ago...

>>2694304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yybPX9Srem0&index=17&list=PLB9E2D81F3F7E1A1B

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>>2694685
...and I did this yesterday. Am I doing okay?

>>2694687
Not much improvement honestly, dramatic lighting aside

>>2694693
I think it's pretty good improvement desu. Given that I barely studied fundymentals.

>>2694695
Dont ask for opinions if youre just going to come back with "no, actually its good". You barely studied and it shows.

>>2694699
It's obviously better anon. The neck isn't horrrible misplaced and face looks less derpy, and the waist isn't the size of a toothpick. I just post stuff on /ic/ sometimes to see if the people can find something that perhaps I didn't.

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value study of still life

stuff i feel like i couldve done better:
do details in light, not in shadow (ie get a better subject)
correct perspective with better lay-in
don't make rendering in such high detail a priority as a beginner - draw more, focus on values, get 'em down quick, move on

what do yall think

>>2694703
>n-no your opinion is wrong! IM GOOD. REEEEEEE

yeah good luck.

>>2694709
>Studder typing
>REEEE
Opinion disregarded. I'm not gonna draw my cute peri with an ugly loomis face that looks like it's made of play dough.

>>2694717
My opinion was disregarded the moment i didnt shower you with praise, candyass.

>>2694719
No, just when you studder typed. I woulve listened, but that made me not want to.

>>2694721
You already refused to accept what i was telling you prick, dont pull what woulda shoulda gradeschool crap on me.

Stay bad

>>2694736
I like it.

>>2694732
MODS

>>2694740
SUCK ITTT

>>2694736
That's insane

>still a noob
>open old notebook from a year ago when my interest for art began, although I never really started taking it seriously till now.
>my current drawings from imagination are better than my old drawings from reference

GONNA MAKE IT

>>2694549
I have no idea what I'm doing.

:(

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Oh one thing! The brow is too large and should be smaller. I'm in no position to judge because I'm way worse than you but I think this is a necessary correction unless you're going in for stylization

But do not listen to me I'm someone who would have to redraw this several times to get one detail accurate.
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>>2694789
then hit up ctrl+paint unless you want your paintings to stay abominations

>>2694707
Would never have guessed this was an umbrella if it had not been for the file name.

>>2694672
Russia

>>2694683
"Lack of oxygen in the brain", what du u mean? It look like a shit or what?

>>2694790
Do you usually approach your own drawings with such mathetical precision?

>>2694669
Press harder with your pencil, you want the hair to be dark black.

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Just out of curiosity, how good at anatomy should I get before I start delving into clothes and drapery? Should I master anatomy first then get into clothes or is it alright to learn drapery with basic-intermediate anatomy skills?

>>2694887
Learn a little of everything at the same time, or do different things on different days. Is that a graphic novel from the dark tower books?

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copying oldschool manga
fuck i hate my inking this study stinks

>>2694889
thanks for the advice
And yeah, that is a graphic novel of the dark tower books. Good shit

>>2694723
> here's my art
> "it's Shit"
>I think it's good, here are some flaws I found
>"no one cares candy ass REEEEEEE fucking gradeschool, nothing personal kid"
This fucker needs help.
Anyway, they are pretty bad, and your should work on your form and shape if you want to go a heretical non loomis route.

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>>2692587
I've decided I might get back to drawing after lurking here and being lazy for ages. A quick study.
I have no idea how to lay out proportions at the beginning of the drawing and. Maybe I shouldn't have used a marker to draw this.

>>2694998
read the OP

>>2694878
It's what I have to do to get an accurate picture. For me: creating an accurate picture usually translates to a good picture; this advice might not be as relevant to you as it is to me, but nonetheless it is only with this mathematical approach that I can assist others.

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>>2694686

Fixed it

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>>2694687
>>2694685
The anatomy is still bad, just less bad. After 11 months I would expect much more from an artist, especially a new one. I seriously hope you didn't spend the entire time drawing anime.
>>2694717
>I'm not gonna draw my cute peri with an ugly loomis face
Although this makes me think you did. If you haven't learned that loomis can be adapted to literally any style (every top japanese illustrator knows & uses this) you might want to start now, because you're 11 months behind.

PS Don't come to these threads with thin skin. You came to get critiqued, got critiqued, and got defensive. So clearly you secretly came here for praise. No matter how retarded your critic is being, you look twice as bad arguing with him because it shows you can't take a simple "It looks bad".

If you want to improve anatomy-wise: try studying JMW Turner's preliminary sketches

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Help please?

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Can I get any feedback before I go properly into it and fuck it up for good?

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This is my advice

>>2695144
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/dp101-3

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Also a few other adjustments; it's quite good and certainly resembles a hand, but I have never seen a hand with that much girth in the palm and the finger farthest to the left that far down>>2695144

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>>2695189
wth. thats really detailed sutff. are you a handmaster?
pic related is my hand. thanks for saying i got a girthy palm, but yeah i think i did measure off.

>>2695181
thanks

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>>2695154
Here is a bit more, is there anything I should watch out for?

>>2695192
I'm no handmaster; I'm a newcomer just like yourself, but I learn using geometrical assumptions

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Some critique before I continue?

>>2695203
right arm is too long

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Do not listen to me >>2695203, because I'm a stupid idiot, but this might be better for the perspective of it all

what about the grips while holding a pencil? Should I learn the overhand grip?

>>2695212
Thank you, I'll get right on it
>>2695221
Haha thanks man, I love your accuracy

>>2695237
There's nothing to "learn"

Just do it and see if it works for you

>>2695203
It looks like the thighs are merging together. Maybe show that one thigh is in front of the other with more shadows? Not sure, i'm just a beginner.

>>2695247
So I can just use my usual grip for most things and overhand for the bigger things and shading, right?

>>2695259
That's the decision i came to as well, anon.

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any tips on drawing a 3/4 eye? i cant make it look okay.

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>>2695189
>measure angles from north

>>2694948
What do you gain from copying manga?

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Hello, new and fighting through the st/ic/ky. I'm reading Keys to Drawing right now and this is the portrait practice task. I noticed that I have a hard time drawing or 'seeing' hair. I don't know if I should draw hair one by one or the full shape of the hair and fill in or any other way. Pointers would be nice.

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I'm doing this sketch for Inktober, but something looks off with the perspective/composition. Any critique will help!

I'm drawing some stuff on photoshop and I notice it looks much better zoomed out

How can I better hide details so they look as good zoomed in?

Any tips/tricks for things like this?

>>2695290
stop being retarded. do you even know how images work?

>>2695286
>something looks off with the perspective/composition
>literally one girl and one dog

What?

>>2695290
You need a balance in terms of details or else everything will feel too "noisy." Feng in this video talks about some mech he's drawing and how the leg of the mech further from the camera won't be as detailed since you can infer details from the other, heavily-detailed leg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSVFil_2TV0

timestap is 12:20

tl;dr indicate similar shapes

>>2695283
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHewz3JbKrQ

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>>2695286
It's shit, also, 1. It's not October yet and 2. You obviously used a pencil. Do you even get what inktober is?

>>2695281
I'm absolutely shit at drawing
Training eye, analyze how it works

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I've made this out of a thin steel plate. It's a raven wing's feather. What do you think? Looks realistic?

>>2695340
"Its shit" is not a critique. Tell me what is wrong with it so i can improve it. Also, I know its not October yet, but it is a pencil thumbnail before i ink it once Inktober starts

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>>2692579

What do you think about my crosshatching? Is it any good?

Lightsource is on the right.

>>2695340
Shouldn't the left side of the front face be completely black instead of getting lighter as you head left?

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>>2692586
I started doing it but i cant draw beard for shit, first drawing since few years

>>2695386
> but i cant draw beard for shit
c'mon man. shapes. think of the shapes!

>>2695379
You need to fix the empty spaces you accidently left with lines and points and even out the shade with adding more lines. And the shadow lines on the ground should actually hit the edge.

It seems to be a shading exercise, not a realistic light/shadow exercise, so you should feel more free with laying the shades. If it was meant to be a shadow/light exercise, too, then I recommend you don't do that. Mixing 2 complicated exercises as a beginner only means you can't concentrate on either and you do both wrong. Stick with the shading for now.

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>>2694595

i need some tips about shading :l
>>2694790

>>2695394
Also, dunno if you meant to really crosshatch, randomly hatch for now. Crosshatching is a much more advanced effect and not exactly a good beginner exercise. Beginners just want to do it first, because they see professional artists use it all the time and try this themselves right from the start.

>>2695386
resize
don't take such a shit picture where you can't see anything
read the sticky

>>2695395
Map each place containing a specific tone with that tone, and never go too dark, because your medium is inherently subtractive and you can take away light but cannot add it, meaning your background tone is the highest tone

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Here's a sketch I did of dr Paradigm.

>>2695415
ideas are there, execution is not

time to hit the sticky icky

>>2695409
Thank you very much.
also im too retarded for this, send me a pic or correct it please. It would be appreciated!

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Hahaha

>>2695428
I can't make my picture not faeces

>>2695415
There's promise here

Work on thinking/building in 3d shapes; this illustration feels flat despite having some dimensional cues.

Line fidelity needs to be worked on some more; vary those lines. It'll help combat the flat feeling

I can't see any chicken scratch, but there are a few squiggly lines. Make sure you're placing lines in one fairly quick arm motion; use that shoulder of yours.

Did you start with an under-drawing?

>>2694112
>im not 15y horny bastard,
i bet you are, since most pussies are basically not even visible from that angle, and invisible with pubic hair.

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is it ok?

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>>2692586
God damn, whenever i'm drawing from reference i just steer off and start doing my own shit.

I accidentally drew a ben stiller.

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I realize it's fun to try and tackle faces first, but i urge all anon doing this fella to try doing picrelated first, for a number of reasons.

First of all, starting learning from doing a face is a very bad idea, since there's a lot of confusing and misleading stuff in there.

Second of all, if you're doing a complex shape from a photo, you better be trying to do that from life first, to feel out the shape.

And to add insult to injury, that image is edited to bring the tones closer together, which makes it a bad image to study from. Honestly, anon posting these shitty picutre he liked to "study" is just impeding your progress.

>>2695454
The head isn't bad, looks like you gave up on everything else though.

>>2695458
What book details this process?

>>2695458
i hate that OP is forcing us to do studies of them too

>>2695468
Not a book, but look up the Asaro Head. It's worth buying even though it's expensive.

Otherwise Bridgman has some planar head stuff but it's not that well presented in my opinion.

>>2695458
>First of all, starting learning from doing a face is a very bad idea, since there's a lot of confusing and misleading stuff in there.


wrong wrong wrong wrong WRONG

can you stop spewing SHIT out of your mouth 24/7? can you STOP pretending you know what you are talking about?

you are the cancer that is plaguging /ic/

>>2695458
>starting learning from doing a face is a very bad idea

You need more loomis then

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still having problems with tones and shading :l, NEED BOOKS ANONS! also tips :l

>>2695458
This is a really useful exercise, that is unconditionally true

>>2695482
You're not drawing what you see. Have you read Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards?

>>2695488
yes, but need some more excersices than those on the book

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>>2692579

>>2695488
well, gotta read betty edwards book then.

>>2695490
There's a thread in the catalog with numerous PDFs. Read them.

>>2695457
buy charcoal and start working in shadow shapes. Use medium and soft compressed on newsprint. Watch yourself improve like 20% overnight.

>>2695454
It's okay. Proportions are good, but you have to alternate contrast to make stuff read. Right now it's pretty hard to tell where the forms on the body turn, like the leg, because the value of the shading is the same as that of the lines you use to delineate form. Same with the tail.

also, work more slowly. your big fills on the top and bottom look like shit. DESU, graphite isn't good for big spaces, or even full drawings really. You should be using charcoal instead.

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>>2692588
I tried my best

>>2695492
Don't. Read keys to drawing. Anyone who tries shilling that shitty Edwards book either hasnt read it, isnt aware of alternatives, or believes in pseudoscience.

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>>2695479
>Start doing algebra before learning what multiplication is.
Looks like you're the cancer, anon.

>>2695480
Loomis transcended being a meme and went out there, forming his own gang of loomistards who have no idea about proper academic drawing.

>>2695488
Stop directing people to that godawful advertisement pamphlet.

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>>2695482
My only tip is to draw some cylinders. Start with a one tone jug or something similar, and set up one hard light. Then build the cylinder, starting with two "caps" (and add more if your object is not a perfect cylinder), that is, ellipses, and then fill in the tone.

>>2695544
Which books/tutorial do you recommend, anon?

>>2695541
its aight, keep practicing.

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>>2695496
Not him but how exactly does working in "shadow shapes" more beneficial?

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2/2 Any Feedback?

>>2695636
>>2695637
Where did you learn this technique for trees?

>>2695639
I did a lot of studies on trees a while back because I couldn't figure out how to do nice leaves and then I realized that leaves look best unplanned so I began to try out different ways to get a leafy texture. As for the trunks and branches I just practiced tracing and studying how the flow of the tree works. I still am quite rough when it comes to drawing trees but in time I hope to get to where I want to be.

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Any tips for drawing cloth or critique in general?

>>2695673
How do you get such a texture on the helmet?

Are there places or ways I can improve my anatomy or poses? I find it really hard to make one without using a model of some type.

>>2695677
Build a model of your own then keep it in your head to use at all times. That's what we all do.

>>2695674
I'm on Sketchbook Pro Mobile on a tablet, so I just took a lightly textured brush and drew lots of small strokes while changing colour by blending multiple greys and dark reds at the same time. It's a lengthy and probably inefficient process.

>>2695679
It's cool stuff man, thanks for telling me the process, now I can use it too.

Using custom brushes instead of painting stuff on your own, which is best?

>>2695682
No probs.

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>>2695677
by actually learning those subjects, instead of learning to use your eyes. that way you can accurately invent it instead of copy it.

>>2695678
>>2695686
Any good book recommendations? Also I assume classes are good too. New to this board.

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>>2695688
those are books in the image above, every page of them and downloadable and free

>>2695691
Sweet! Thanks!

>>2695630
I don't think you're a beginner; the shading lines are too obsoletely equidistant and the construction lines are too fluid; if you were a beginner the lines would be multiple and sprawling, but it is actually a very good study.

>>2695673
make use of folds and light subtle changes in values due to the 'wavy' texture of flattened/tight cloth. also it might help to use some very light (in relation to the local values) lines that go in the direction and perpendicular direction of the fabric to imply the weave.

>>2695776

Thank you for the compliment.

I may be decent when drawing from a reference but I suck at anything from imagination. I have minimal anatomy knowledge and my understanding of perspective is basic. So I am a beginner:

I struggled with the girl, the guy's foreshortened legs and in the close-up I didn't even align the eyes correctly (a basic construction failure)

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here's some easy-aids after someone challenged me to draw aids in the "post below you tells you what to draw" thread

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Who's a bad enough dude to do all of the picrelated? Digital or traditional, anything goes, but i'll check every posted one and be brutal.

>>2694500
i always knew scott robertson's book was fucking dumb.

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>>2694500
>ten trillion construction lines for this
weeeeeeeeew

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im lonely so im gonna post this ugly doodle in hopes of getting any communication for today

how are you guys?

>>2696312
Pretty good anon, come join us in the new thread.

>>2695717