/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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Any tips on achieving likeness?

Reference from previous thread.

>>2682916
Jesus christ. The thread is about beginners drawing not beginners learning to resize images.

>>2682908
kek

>>2682947
You're not even trying though, have you read the sticky? It really isn't a meme.

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>>2681207
>>2681250
>>2681217
>>2681345
Thank you guys, I'm done with it but I really tried

>>2681543
hi nosebro

>>2682908
>not using my controversial black guy symbol drawing as op image
Damn and I thought it was a sure thing too

>>2682947
It looks fine, but only looks. I know it's just a quick sketch but try to learn 3D form. The nose is constructed through shapes with planes, not just "curves to make it look 3d".

>>2682883
GIMP is shit for drawing. It's a freeware photo manipulation tool. Manga studio is fine. It has everything you need. Remember it's the artist, not his tools. Leonardo da Vinca drew his legendary waifus with papyrus toilet paper and feces on a twig.

>>2683062
although i just randomly pick whatever i feel defines the beginner experience, i didnt'w ant to bring any more attention to it

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>>2683062
it's not controversial, it's just you being stupid, show us more of your work that we can all enjoy some more laugh please.

>>2683128
is this bait?

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How are my proportions?
I did it from memory

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>>2683113
>somebody still this butthurt days later
It kills me

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>>2683155
what is this

>>2683169
Pretty sure that's stuff to fill the composition, although I'm not that anon, so probably not too sure.

>>2683169
Scribbles leftover from the placeholder for hair that I didn't erase
my bad

>>2683169
Not that anon but it's obviously lead gas.

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>>2682909
My skills are shit
my self-esteem hit
and although those beef curtains are not
what i would call hot
i'd still enjoy them for a bit

>>2683169
features don't align with center of chin, eyes are a little bit high and the distance between them is a little bit too big

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>>2683155

>>2683233
eyes are too big

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>>2683215
Is this better?
>>2683237
And I'll reduce the eye size next, thank you

>>2683240
I can't even tell what gender it's supposed to be. I can tell yours, though.

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>>2683240
JUST DO IT

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daily reminder I will NEVER be any good at drawing

>>2683250
GantZ

>>2683233
this made it worse
that other anon is stupid

>>2683253
blog?

reasons to draw
>i will never be as autistic as >>2683253
>i will never be as autistic as tropic

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Someone please help, I can't tell whats off.

>>2683357
ref is looking up slightly (see the chin and bottom of the nose esp.) while yours doesn't give that impression. Looks like you're drawing what you think what it should look like instead of what it actually looks like.

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i pulled this from that painting you guys said was shit. im having a hard time making the clothing look like cloth. other than that i think im calling this one finished

what am I doing wrong with this loomis head?

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Forgot pic,
any tips for this?

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>>2683250
3 now c:

>>2683253
Don't worry about getting good. Worry about expressing yourself. Cindi Lauper is no world class opera singer, and no revolutionary lyricist, but when she sings true colors you feel like she's singing to you personally. If you figure out how to use your drawings to express yourself, you'll practice more and with less stress.

>>2683357
Your face is so much flatter than the reference. The ref has a strong cromagnon brow, such girth in the nose, and the lip protrudes, I don't see any of that in your sketch, and it isn't just from the lack of rendering. Your lines aren't representing the forms as is.

>>2683425
you vertical lines are diverging which would cause an abnormally long jawline. either fix the 'pivot' on the sphere part so the head tilts back or make the center line of the face match the angle of the pivot line so that the face tilt matches the sphere. and maybe dont use stupid colors for such small exercises

>>2683512
christ stop this shit already

Along with what this anon said:
>>2683503
>dont use stupid colors for such small exercises

You should also be filling pages with this kind of exercise, do 20 - 50 at a time, stretch and squish them until they seem right.

>>2683513
i'm sorry

>>2682908
>That image
Ayy lmao, hope no one actually posted that for critique at any point, I really do.

>>2683512
>>2683517
are you the guy who's been trying to make some kinda post-modern art through mspaint
for like a whole three years

captcha: Zum Grund Sanders

>>2683604
yes i am, i'm sorry

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>>2683609
don't be sorry
don't just feign depression just because the truth hurts
I'm sure you'd get recognition on a blog or something but really this isn't the thread for non-technical art (whatever that means.)

>>2683620
that is precisely why i keep postig here, so i don't forget that my drawings are bad, if i get recognition i'll start to think that my things are good, and they will get even worse, i don't mean to apear depressed, but maybe the 'i'm sorry' has a little hypocrisy

>>2683369
Dude... since I started following /ic/ I have seen your work, and it's honestly never improved much despite the ton of crit given.
I would personally start anew, with the whole lot of experience you hopefully gathered while making this, it would look much better from the beginning.

>>2683369
I hate to say it, but you need loomis.

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I love this whole shaming artist back to the beginner thread thing /ic/ has going on.

>>2683707
Man, that looked good until I scrolled down and saw the ass and legs. Fix it so I can enjoy it.

>>2683626
I like your shit though. It's unique and I enjoy seeing the progress.

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any thoughts on how to improve my stuff?

>>2683736
I can see what you were trying to do but you might wanna go look at dynamic sketching by that one asian nigga

>>2683736
Why does your construction process look like you know what you're doing yet the final product shows none of that?

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Hey guys.
This is an original superhero of my series where I transform friends of mine into comic books characters.

What do you think about the proportion on this piece? Are her shoulders too wide? Are the breasts too high?

I know punches thrown doesn't look like that, but in comic book style it's important to exaggerate stuff like that

>>2683740
link?

>>2683736
erm, assuming you wanted to create a design of your own, I wouldn't suggest doing any of what you did to construct your figure.

You don't know what to draw from imagination, and you don't know how these shapes are formed in a real life, but you still went ahead and took 'measurements' from the reference and then did some wacky concept you thought up of, I would guess. Therefore, I think you should first try and just draw the creature in your reference, and other things from life. Draw cyliners, simple shapes, and first see how and what shapes need to be formed to make a good concept. What shapes are in humans, what shapes can be used to construct beetles, machines, etc. Then you can figure out form, line, and value to finish off the concept, which is what you dived face-first into too.

Learn what you think you need to draw on the paper (or screen).

>>2683740
I'd like to also know what book you're referring to.

>>2683740
Peter Han?

>>2683761
Ehh maybe I lost the form by adding my own ideas of form.

>>2683836
Your explanation was sort of all over the place, It's hard to understand what you meant. Could you try to articulate your idea better? I'd like to understand.

>>2683761
>Why does your construction process look like you know what you're doing yet the final product shows none of that?
Usually a sign of inexperience and lack of knowledge. He can construct a body using shapes, but it's anyone's guess what he attempted to do after that. Total loss of perspective and 3 dimensional form.

>that eye thing with the lazy eyelid lines

>>2683797
Posts like this make me understand why there are so many LOOMIS and READ THE STICKY posters.

Like come on anon, are you even trying? The drawing is just bad. Any normie will tell you it's great because it looks like a human. You need to learn 3D shapes, perspective, (including tilt, twist, foreshortening) anatomy, the list goes on.

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>>2682908
How is this? It's for some art project for school. Left is ref.

>>2683887
>total loss of perspective and 3D form.

What do you mean, you say this, yet you give no tip or example. Seems like you're shitting this out.

>>2683894
I accept your critique, but you're an asshole. Just because the drawing you're talking about is bad it doesn't give you the reason to be an arrogant selfish smartass. I will read those stuff.

You're a dick. I hope someday you get to deal with all the issues in your life that leads you to be a complete offensive jackass for no reason and trying to gun down a random anon in the internet just to feel better about your stupid little selfish self.

>>2683899
My bad, you're right, it's perfect. Do you take commissions?
>>2683900
I sincerely want you to train hard and become a very skilled, successful artist. If not for your own benefit, in order for you to come back to this altercation and realize I was right. You'll come back and think "Wow that drawing really was total shit, guess I just had thin skin"

Seriously anon you don't even realize 1% of the skills you're missing.

>>2683908
You're right. I know. The problem is that you're a total dick about it. It's not cool, man, this was supposed to be a nice and confortable board for people to open up. I have always been VERY embarassed of my drawings but a BEGINNER THREAD convinced me to show one and ask for directions.
You, on the other side, enjoy going to the very same BEGINNER THREAD and be an offensive asshole to the rookies.

>>2683899
>>total loss of perspective and 3D form.
>what does it mean I wonder?

It means learn basic form and perspective and keep practicing.

Your finished drawing looks horrible.

Your draft on the left is somewhat better but is completely thrown away.

>>2683908
can you just stop sperging out in shitposting for one fucking second?
>Seriously anon you don't even realize 1% of the skills you're missing.
you're not helping them at all. you're saying fuck all. in fact, if I didn't know any better, I'd be guessing you're being ironic for the sake of being ironic.

>>2683899
he's right though. you're making cylinders and shapes that aren't read well. what is your drawing supposed to look like in different angles? try it out.
and see:
>>2683836

>>2683916
To be honest, you had it coming. There are two stickies worth of information and you ignored them. Stickies are there for a reason. If they didn't exist, every thread on /fit/ would be
>hey /fit/ i want to get in shape what should i do
Every thread on /ic/ would be
>hey /ic/ i dont really draw lol but how is my drawing i drew for a friend what should i work on

The art world is a tough place, if you can't take even the meager criticism I gave you, you won't make it. Even the most talented artists get slammed by criticism. If your piece had shown any sort of attempt at skills addressed in the sticky, I would have been nicer. I know it's a beginner thread. But at your stage you might as well be in /v/ drawthreads.

>>2683925
>might as well be in /v/ drawthreads.
gave me a laff
I remember when I used to lurk there and post thinking I was hot shit

>>2683925
This is not a board to simulate the real world critiques. You're just an asshole who is probably overcompensating the lack of affection in your life.

>>2683948
>simulate the real world critiques
what.
you mean this is a hugbox or what?

>>2683948
Nice projection there you soft cunt

>>2683948
Also for a fucked up who talks so much about reading important stuff, you seem to have forgotten rule 2#: Only constructive criticism will be accepted. Rude or offensive comments will result in a ban.

You deliberately offensive-commented my artwork for no apparent reason. Apologise.

>>2683948
>>2683957
Is this guy for real

You've been told already. Study the loomis technique and read the sticky.

>>2683957
christ, what is this, fucking reddit? get the fuck outta here

>>2683957
>>2683948
what the fuck is going on

>>2683962
i think this happened last thread too.

>guy posts his artwork to be critiqued
>obviously bad so people direct him to sticky and tell him to study loomis
>gets offended and angry, tells people to give him "better" criticism,
>eventually devolves into shitposting

It's probably the same guy, best thing to do is ignore and let him go back to whatever sewer he crawled out of.

>>2683980
It ain't the same guy, that guy was me. And I'm just as confused

>>2683980
You don't understand: I accepted the criticism.
I just won't take that offensive shit.

>>2683989
you dont say
>apologize
you just dont do
you are
i cant even comprehend your train of thought.

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>20+ posts about talking about shitposting rather than maintaining a constructive atmosphere

leave that shit in /aasg/ and /draw/, /beg/

>>2683989
What a sensitive little baby you are, fuck off.

>>2683994
it was inevitable, the last half of the previous thread was the best atmosphere I've seen in awhile

>>2683989
There was nothing offensive about that post.

If anything you deserve to have your feelings hurt and told, "Are you even trying?", because it most certainly does not look like you've gone through Loomis, or any of the other recommended books before coming here.

The beginner thread is for people who've gone through the sticky, fixed and polished their fundamental errors, and then have come back when they're stuck on either parts of a book or things the books don't teach.

There's tons of information on

>"What do you think about the proportion on this piece? Are her shoulders too wide? Are the breasts too high?"

, and even a whole book which ic gives you the link to, and instead you've chosen to ignore it and shit on this thread even more.

That drawing IS bad, and anon is just telling you the truth.

>>2683986
I don't know what to believe in these threads anymore

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>>2683240
honestly, I really like the style but I can see why you're in /beg/

>>2683636
yes it has, ive moved from studies to imagination. the face was done with no ref. i acknowledged that pose of the figure was boring so i cropped most of it to save the face.

>>2683703
the face isnt that bad considering i used no ref and its one of my first from imagination

>reading Michael Hampton's book on figure drawing
>get to the section on the eyes and nose
>it's practically "Step 1: Draw a box. Step 2: Draw the rest of the fucking nose."
T-thanks Hampton

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>>2684047

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First time ever trying to study (I was drawing boxes but it looked so silly it made me download some books about drawing)

>>2684051
Drawing boxes by themselves is silly. We draw boxes with a purpose and that's to understand perspective.

>>2684050
?

>>2684047
The only way to draw a nose is to draw a nose, anon. He's completely serious.

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>>2684022
Well yeah! I didn't come here to show off, I came here to get help. Thanks, by the way. I started painting the other one I had but I'll still apply the changes

>>2684066
Hand looks a bit big for a woman

>>2684066
That's real smooth my dude

>>2684047
watch proko's facial feature vids

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My beans look like dog shit. Can anybody identify why? I have a lot of difficulty keeping perspective without any planes. Can I use the robo bean instead?

>>2684087
Use contours on your beans then.

>>2684087
Get some silly putty / sculpey and make a bean, then pose it.

>>2684066
>super good at rendering
>bad at basics
>mfw im the same

>>2684111
Painting is just more fun, unlike tedious linework.

>>2684087
You're beans just look like beans, they don't represent the human form in terms of proportion or shape. Try using boxes alongside the beans for your construction and see how well they improve.

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>>2684113
btw, as the other guy said, the eyes are too big but you can get away with it being a stylistic choice
but this is /beg/ so

>>2684124
Thanks anon
btw, I have a bad habit of making eyes too big, what's a good rule of thumb for picking the size of the eyes and making sure I don't go overboard?

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>>2684094
>>2684110
>>2684122
Does this look any better? I think I found one of my problems. My center lines blew ass. Instead of applying them to the bean I straight up copy them from the model and it ends up looking weird. Also my lines and curves suck. (4th one is a big example)

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>>2683734
thanks, are you the same anon i replied? thanks anyway!

>>2684164
I like it, a lot, yet it's weird, blog?

>>2684148
is that nujabes?

>>2684190
i didn't knew how he looked, but yeah, it could be

>>2684137
nope. you should be able to construct a figure with the bean. your beans are so out of proportion they dont even resemble a simplified ribcage/hips. look at the top left. its not even shaped right now to mention its too thick. top right doesnt have the hip bend and the hips are as wide across as the shoulders. go through all of prokos videos about anatomy and the bean/robo bean. and read loomis figure for what its worth

>>2684164
>>2684171
lol literally first try using wacom tablet
suggestions??

>>2684194
>go through all of prokos videos about anatomy and the bean/robo bean
What do you think I've been doing... thanks for the loomis meme though...

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>>2684202
youre supposed to be able to literally attact the arms, legs and head to the bean. your beans are so fucking off they dont even resemble the human torso. the pic should make that very clear. the fact you cant see even that is a huge problem. i redlined the best i could but my laptop is being laggy. the issues with your beans should be very obvious though

>>2684202
>thanks for the loomis meme though
>the loomis meme
you got us. its just a meme. its just a meme so no one follows it. That's alright though- you don't have to read loomis, and you don't have to get better at anything.

>>2684213
>lag
Why do I always get the angry guy... Look I get what you're saying, but your red lines look terrible and you're just tracing over the image. I tried doing what you're suggesting and they don't look anything like Proko's beans, they look like vaguely morphed cylinders.

>>2684244
Sryly? He just handed you solid critique on a fucking platter kid. Your beans are suppossed to be the shape of the fucking body, so he showed you the shape of the fucking body, the part you aren't drawing. Fucking look at it. The beans are just an intermediary between gesture and form.

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>>2684244
if youre having trouble making it look like a 'bean' in general you shouldnt be moving onto figure yet. you need to study forms for a while. desu, those are sorta shitty reference for beans to begin with. all of them are simple from the side poses so theres no real forshortening/twisting/pinching contracting to be had where the bean really shows its use as a learning tool.

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>>2684213
>>2684301
Holy fuck /beg/ my sides, I mean I get that you're all beginners here but damn that's funny

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>>2682916

Tried doing shadows with a spraypaint tool for the first time. It's ugly as shit.

Should I have tried to make there to be a greater distinction between between values?

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>>2684391

>>2684061
Sowse for your pasta!
(the most repeated art joke on the internet)

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>>2684124
Tried to have a go at your hair.

I'm really not sure how you managed to get this good at rendering skin with a seemingly complete lack of understanding of other figure fundamentals. Feel free to take that as a compliment or an insult.

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>>2682910
Summer is coming, thank fucking christ,
that frozen bitch gone north, to lay with ice,
meanwhile spring is getting plowed,
fertile lands clad in green supple shroud,
now autumn waits with blushing leaves, dripping wet in all this vice

>>2684405
The one you corrected isn't the one the original anon did. Personally I think the one you corrected looks pants on head retarded compared to the one OP originally had. This one you did looks more accurate

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how am i doing? i have less than 2 weeks here.

>>2684440
Define the skin around the mouth more.I feel like he's looking more to the right than the reference, not sure.

>>2684441
Have you tried pixel art anon? I feel like your style would lend itself well to pixel art.

>>2684440
The upper lip vermillion is in deep shadow in the reference.

>>2684447
no, its an intresting idea.

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>>2684443
>>2684449

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should i keep working on this or is it a lost cause? sorry for shit camera btw

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still cant draw hair for shit

>>2684457
See this thread: https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/2676429/

>>2684453
A lot better.

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>>2684164
>>2684171

>>2684455
You're good at stylised, don't see what you're so upset about.

>>2684480
thx, is there anything you think i need to work on other than hair?

>>2683195
you're a poet, don't need to draw anymore, artist.

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the other thing i pulled from the failed painting. i need to shorten the dog leg but im a bit worn out with the rendering, though i could afford to work on the dog and tiles a bit more

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I've now learned the basics of drawings and now want to get into animation and cartooning.

How do you learn how to exaggerate forms correctly to make things like pic related?

Links to resources would be most appreciated.

>>2684609
There is an animation thread over there >>2667595

I started reding Loomis figure drawing, i finished the first chapter (page 50). But while reading this he writes, draw this, draw that, but i cant draw that shit, im terrible, does he already expects people reading his book to be decent artist? Like hes only teaching you and correcting you on mistakes and making sure you are drawing figures correctly?

>>2684609
That's fucking awesome. Looks so vintage. Got any more?

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>>2684659
It's from Cuphead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syI-pynq0lk

Do you have any resources on learning how 2 cartoon?

>>2684542
thanks anon, it just feels really flat and the lines are messy. Every thing i draw just comes out dirty looking

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Is there an image like pic related I can learn from, but rather than 'laterrazlaoid' it'll just say 'lats' and other things I've heard of before and that will be easier to remember?

>>2684723
look it up on wikipedia. seriously.

>>2684723
Just learn the medical terms, it's really not that hard and makes anatomy study easier on the future.

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>>2684739
It's not working

I have a problem while constructing the head. I draw the face but it ends up too small for the head, then I have to reshaped the skull. how can i stop

>>2684164
>>2684537
very good, almost draw thread worthy in my eyes

proko is an autist

>>2684768
Why are you saying this now?

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>try to improve
>still shit

>>2684780
Read the OP.

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>>2684780

>>2684767
>almost
You make it sound like the draw thread is crazy good. His work better than most of the stuff you find in the draw thread.

>>2684768
still better than 99.999999% of /ic/

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>>2672416
Finally got around to finishing it, took me 6 hours overall despite having started a week ago.

>>2684859
quite literally, yes

>>2684869
Nice to see someone with actual fundamentals. Fantastic job anon, you're gonna make it for sure.

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I'm using a box to establish perspective while drawing a male face and yet with the top, side and front view I had in mind, it still looks wrong.

I've spent the whole day on this figuring out why. Anyone can help?

>>2684992
You're missing planes of the nose. You're also missing the brow ridge which connects to the nose. The eyes are symbol drawn, they are actually fairly complicated to construct properly.

I can't tell if you used loomis, but if you didn't, try that too. Look up construction of the facial features. They all have major and minor planes, without them, you get a comical looking face.

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any advice?

>>2685009
Learn how to into anatomy. Also learn how to do clothes. And proportions.

>>2685009
sticky

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>>2684992

>>2685011
aight i improved it a bit
i know the legs got fucked up and it seems like he lacks a pelvis
anything else in terms of proportions/anatomy?

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>>2685082
any drawing cause i fucked up

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so im like trying to draw gesture is this the kind of practice i should keep doing and i think looking up and down constantly to reference the pose kind messes me up should i just print some pictures of poses?

>>2682909
What the hell is that hanging down from her crotch? Hair? Labia?

>>2685112
Probably labia, they come in many shapes. Some women even stretch them.

>want to git gud
>parents will beat me if they see me drawing

I don't think I'm going to make it, or maybe I'm just making excuses.

>>2685109
Hi Prooko

>>2685166
>parents will beat me if they see me drawing
???

>>2685166
Spraypaint giant murals of your parents getting raped by wolves around town, or just draw at school.

>>2685166
Just draw and hide it.

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I'm having difficulty with this part.

>>2685166
Are you from a religious family? Luckily my parents don't care if I draw but I did have some relatives tell me that drawing is a sin who then proceeded to tear up my shit. I still can't be caught drawing nude figures either.

Just try to keep it a secret, by a small sketchbook and sketch in the bathroom or sit on a bench outside and draw from life.
>>2685258
What specifically are you having trouble with? Like just drawing it or the concept behind it?

>>2685286
I need the step before the first plane. Did he start with a ball, because I'm having difficulty with the nose and right ear.

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>>2685294
Yeah the ball is a base but you build on top of it so you carve in the area for the eyes and make the nose jut out.

I'd say for the nose just keep grinding if you can't get it. (you should understand basic perspective so if you don't that might be part of the problem) It's basically just trapezoid looking for coming out of the head. Keep grinding, it took me a while to get it too. Just imagine it like you would imagine a box.

For the ear just make sure you understand perspective again. Draw through the entire form so you know where it should be on the other side and then just draw it.

I know it seems kinda complicated but just keep drawing it over and over. That's the only thing that will really help you. Also maybe give hampton's head construction a quick look, it helped me out since it's a bit simpler than Loomis'.

Wondering if anyone is following or has followed Aguri's 1 year plan, and how it worked out for them? Been drawing for about a year now, and I'm still in dire need of a good foundation. Wondering if that might be it.

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>>2684405
I've been learning 100% on my own up until
this point without proper instruction from people or books,
just picking up things that I found aesthetically
pleasing in other people's art and doing studies
so I think I learned things out of order and didn't get fundamentals. That's why I'm having an
especially difficult time unlearning the bullshit I
taught myself.

I reduced the size of the eyes and pushed the hairline so it follows the box thingy. Also, was I supposed to move the mouth lower or was I supposed to remove it?
I know someone said to reduce the size of thee hand, but every other resource says it should remain the size of the face. When I made the hand smaller, it looked odd

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>>2685323
Thanks for the tips. I managed to get something.

>>2685349
seconding this. I'm probably gonna start it soon too.
>>2685387
noice. Just watch those lines, make sure they're real straight so it emphasizes where the form is receding or jutting out. Also the perspective on the nose is a little off.

You'll figure it out tho, just keep hammering them out anon.

>>2685349
What is Aguri's 1 year plan ?

>>2685407
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=E06DB73ECC23E4EF!679&ithint=file%2codt&app=Word&authkey=!AD8ifQUs5NTi40Y

is chicken scrawl a necessary step for beginners?

>>2685439
no? its a habit everyone needs to get rid of. its the one thing that stamps you as a beginner. chicken scratch means you're not confident in line quality.

>>2685456
its only natural for a beginner not to be confident in their line quality, i'd say there is something wrong if they are.

am i thinking incorrectly about this?

>>2685286
>tell me that drawing is a sin
the fuck? what religion is that? whats the logic there?

>>2685497
The religion most people hate atm. (Starts with an I) idk the logic. people always told me some bullshit like "you're trying to play God by drawing" or you're "trying to surpass God by changing his creations." Different people believe different stuff tho so my parents didn't really buy into that but some people did. I also had a bunch of Muslim and Christian friends that thought Pokemon and yugioh were sinful acts cause demons or something.
Idk people can justify anything with enough bullshit. Religion is weird.

>>2684764
Draw a box where the eyes mouth and nose will be see if they're too small.

>>2685521
how terrible

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>>2685488
>its only natural for a beginner not to be confident in their line quality, i'd say there is something wrong if they are.
...that's why they have to learn to be confident? do you want beginners to stay beginners?
you don't chicken scratch. that's just it. I don't know why this is up for discussion.

>>2684131
generally something ive noticed is that more feminine people in art have bigger eyes, while the oppisite goes for the masculine

>>2685521
Your parents are muslims but you don't believe ?

>>2685569
confidence comes with skill
learn skill, get better, thats the purpose of a beginner right?

think of it this way. a beginner draws a picture, its bad because he is a beginner but he doesnt chicken scrawl, he draws about 30 individual lines. another parallel beginner draws the same picture, this time he chicken scrawls he draws 90 individual lines. surely that second beginner got 3 times as better since he drew three times as many lines? is this not how it works.

im not saying chicken scrawl is good, im saying im not sure whether its the devil like some people say it is. thats why im here asking opinions.

>>2685586
Yeah

>>2685589
do you find there is a muslim influence on your thoughts? you into the philosophies behind the religion? willingly or unwillingly?

>>2685521
Pls don't blow me up or run me over with a truck

>>2685598
nah not really. The way I was taught was the basic "be nice to people" and "don't steal" etc. It was kinda like Christianity only a few more rules (can't eat this x and y, stricter gender roles.etc) I don't think most muslims even know much about what exactly is in the quran since it's in arabic. Most people just listen to whatever they're parents told them so the actual ideology really varies. But yeah, I don't think it's really influenced me in any big way., I'm a fairly normal dude.

>>2685604
how about both? ;^)

>>2685109
Gesture is supposed to be brief that takes 30 seconds to 2 minutes to do. It looks like you've put a lot more time and detail into it than necessary. Only use simple C S I curves, as Proko would say.

>>2685610
Ahmed please we both know that that would be too expensive

I'm a total beginner that switched over to keys to drawing from loomis because i felt like it made me improve way faster (which it actually did)

The problem is, keys to drawing is kinda directionless and i don't know what to do next. Do i just copy shit from life until i get good at it?

Is this what you fuckers mean by "the grind"?

>>2685109
you should really watch and read vilppu's drawing manual. you're thinking about the countour a lot instead of the form connections.

>>2685598
>does your cultural heritage influences who you are?
I'm not him, but i'm pretty sure the anwer is no, everyone knows imageboard users's consciuonesses are nothing else than empty shells filled only with the anime and manga they watch all day

>>2685374
Not sure if i'm correct but i think the mouth is on a different perspective plane than the eyes and nose.

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>>2682909
working through the keys to drawing, is this the right way to practice ?

>>2685112
literally her roastie cunt

>>2685632
the thing is when i actually try to follow their rules for drawing motion i feel like its gonna look like absolute shit and out of proportion but ill commit ty

do you guys think drawbox's figure drawing lessons are worth the time or should i just keep at steve huston's book

>>2684872
Thanks Anon, I appreciate it!

>>2685700
Getting there, but try printer paper instead.

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>>2682911
Experience progressing in reverse,
my drawings are getting worse,
but i will not yield,
these failures become my shield,
as i churn this dogshit out with rhyme and verse.

>>2684111
>Will never be able to sell my linework on its own

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>>2682911
fucking kill me

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is drawing in big paper is hard?
i try to copy comic in a3 paper(it's bullshit study, but whatever),
but i failed after erase fix erase fix 30 times shit too pussy to drawing in big paper

am i have to try in B4?

sorry for being pussy, but i don't want get so much stress anymore

>>2685933
it's actually easier, as it allows you to draw from your shoulder, and detail becomes fluid. I personally have a mental block about using big sheets of paper, as I was raised being told printer paper was sacred and super expensive. I'm getting over it, but that first line is still scary.

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I worked on this for a little bit. This is actually my first time posting anything in this sub section.
Soooo here ya go!

>>2685814
stick with Huston. Draw a box has a pretty bare bones figure drawing section and I think the creator himself admits that he's not good at doing them. I've heard good things about the Huston book and you might as well stick with it if you already started.

what's the general consensus on draw a box? it looks pretty good if a bit overdetailed though i'm already halfway through right side of the brain

>>2685859
Do another one anon, that one isn't bad
>>2685919
Just gotta work on your proportions, that'll come with time. Try practicing cubes and cylinders with different perspectives
>>2685942
I don't know what you want us to say. You're a beginner and new here so you should read the sticky as opposed to posting stuff pre-fundamentals. A critique wouldn't do you much good

>>2682908
question
do i have to learn the muscles of the face as well as the fat in order to make good or believable looking fat or large people or in people in general

>>2685950
The first couple sections are definitely helpful but it gets less helpful as it goes on. I think it should mostly be used as a supplement to your studies instead of an individual learning tool.
>>2685963
I'm a beginner so take this with a grain of salt. I don't think learning every muscle of the face is all that important, all you need to know is how the basic construction works + do some skull studies. Learning the muscles could be helpful tho, I'm pretty sure Loomis goes into it in his drawing heads book.

>>2685919
I really want you to go through Keys. It'll help you with truly drawing what you see - it's one thing to have proportion errors, but it's an entirely other thing to not draw a human.

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gave up on this, spent too long on the face

>>2686056
>beginner

>>2685933
Use A4.

>>2686056
>>2685374
>>2684405
>>2684164
>>2684124
>>2684066
>>2684022
>>2683707
>>2683357
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>>2683233
>>2683155
gtfo of my thread before i ban you.

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Does this count as construction?
I wanna outline it, later, maybe.

>>2686182
that is not construction

that is an outline

>>2682908
I only have a mechanical pencil as a tool in drawing.. Am i going to get better?

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STAND BACK

I'M GOING TO TRY DRAW SOMETHING

>>2686388
OH SHIT HE'S TRYING TO DRAW SOMETHING

how many a4 pages should i fill in per day?

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>>2686182
No, that's just rough contour drawing.
You need to abstract parts of the body into basic 3D forms to establish proportion and perspective.
>pic related

>>2686311
A mechanical pencil is perfectly fine. It might be a bit difficult if you want to do smooth shading but that won't greatly affect your improvement.

>>2686399
20

>>2686399
Depends on how fast you want to improve.
Only you can answer that.
Also don't mistake quantity for quality.
One page of focused studies will be better than ten pages of mindless doodles.

>>2686399
Dont focus on how many pages you fill. Focus on how long you draw

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drawing is scary before you start because you don't know if what you're about to draw will be really good or really bad

What is your daily drawing schedule like?

What resources do you use when working on each drawing subject in your schedule?

I want to start drawing at least 4 hours a day but I won't be able to make any real progress if I don't make myself a schedule and stick to it.

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>>2686444
try this

>>2686444
i'm awful and don't know if i'm progressing
i do some random poses from imagination, then some poses from reference, then try to draw a town or castle or something, then try to do something creative
i throw in random hand, muscle, and bone studies too
this is basically all i do, i try to understand lights and depth too but i dont entirely get it

>>2685933
Get cheap newsprint and some charcoal and practice on giant sheets.

>>2686440
stay light with the pencil and have patience with yourself so you can figure out whats wrong with your drawing. learn by fixing it. DON'T DRAW DARK LINES. that's the only thing that can stop you from making it better.

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advice on hair mostly, but open to all advice/critiques

>>2686508
read the op man.

>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

also your shit is sideways. do you intend the viewer to see the work like that? if not, fix it.

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Is the head too big?

Also ignore the poorly drawn hands

>>2684415
did you trace or something? Lines are too wonky for free hand and the contours look awfully specific

Read it, im not on a computer.

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Sucks that school takes so much time, was too tired to continue with this

>>2685521
science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings... you decide.

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>>2686508
It's a little rude, you can't be bothered to figure out how to rotate your own image, but you want people to put in the effort for a critique.

>>2686508
study loomis and hampton heads. hair looks like bacon. you could get away with the hair wiggles, but really think about where to put the highlights in the hair.

and listen to those other anons about resize and rotate

>>2685620
pls respond

>>2685620
The grind refers to the endless practice you need to do to improve.

>>2686596
Mostly life studies, right?

>>2686600
That would be the best since life studies offer a wealth of knowledge. You can also do studies of diagrams/exercises from the books you read, master studies, value studies, mark-making practice, value studies, experimentation, etc.

The most important thing is to dedicate time and patience, even if you don't feel like it, push through. Every drawing you do, strive to be better than the last one.

>>2686600
Basically drawing until you can see what needs to be worked on and focusing on that until you're better at it and repeating the process again

>>2685620
I would definitely copy shit from life until you get decent at it. It's not necessary to become a living camera but still. Every once in a while post your work here to see if you've become good enough. At the same time it wouldn't hurt to study some dynamic sketching and apply it to your life drawing. It's what I've been doing now for quite a while.

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>>2682910
i tried, pretty rough and i had to redraw the head because when i moved onto drawing the body (usually start with the head) it was totally wrong

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Working on this.

Looking for some critique please

Thank you

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messy, but am i headed in the right direction?

I just can't get myself to start. I want to but everywhere I try to begin is so daunting. Am I destined to fail?

>>2686651
The only person that can get you started is yourself.

If you need external motivation and structure, sign up for a class.

>>2686462
>unemployed_neet_art_schedule.jpg

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>>2686617
>>2686622
>>2686624
I see, thank you very much for the input

In the time it took you gents to reply me i made this arnie

he looks a little bit sad though, because the critics he's about to get

>>2686655
This is nice. Would look great with some dark background. The bright white behind her doesn't match the expression and mood of her face.

>>2686643
Looks like you understand the concepts, so try to have neater, more purposeful lines

>>2686674
i know! i was going to do that, thanks!

>>2682947
it doesn't look bad for a quick sketch, but since you're looking likeness, the first on what i suggest you to do is either shrink the forehead or curve the hair line as it looks very uneven.
next lower the mouth somewhat and move it to the right so it can be more directly below the nose
last i suggest is add a bit of lines by the ear to show a side burn even if the reference person doesn't have any, as it looks more in place since they seem to have a beard
also maybe raise the right eye a bit higher and see how that looks

>>2686657
>If you need external motivation and structure, sign up for a class.
Where would I find the information necessary for doing this?

>>2686727
Local colleges if you got the $$$$, small local studios if you don't. Stay the FUCK away from for-profit colleges like The Art Institute.

If your google-fu of your city/town doesn't pull up any info about classes in the area you can sign up for, check community boards, local newspapers etc for postings.

If none of that brings anything up for you, you can try online courses. New Masters Academy is reputable, though fair warning, it's mostly traditional mediums.

>>2686743
Thanks for the info, gonna look into it now.

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>>2686675
thanks for the feedback on >>2686643 !!

here's a cleaner sketch i did; it's more intimidating to post bc i can't hide janky features behind random lines (also, sorry about all the paper texture)

>>2686401
Well now I know how to call these things I draw all the time.
Building the figures out of 3d shapes will take alot of time, I'm afraid that the proportions will look completley messed up before i finish a whole figure, thats usualy what happends when I draw to slow.
I don't see many people draw weird sceletons alot but i will give it a shot.

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I can't seem to get this right. Can somebody help me out with this? It looks off to me.

>>2686775
read the fucking OP

>>2686776
I went to the other thread already and nobody replied after 2 days

>>2686782
please resize the image to around 1000x1000.

>>2686782
It's your shape and form. Everything looks off cause the 3 dimensional shapes aren't there and the placements of the features are not on a 3d shape.

>>2686775
First of all your image is too big, second, no offense but if this isn't a girl you are probably making a gay character or are gay yourself (or even a grill).

>>2686775
a lot of things i don't like about this are stylistic choices

>>2686788
>>2686775
Another tip imagine the character slowly turning it's head

>>2686523
I'm able to draw sort of accurately on paper but i've just started using a tablet and this fucker is so inaccurate.

>>2686751
Apart from the fingers it's not bad at all.

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>>2686655

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I'm going to give up on this one and move on to the next thing, but here's what I had.

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>>2686775
fix'd

>>2686936
>>2686936
>>2686936

NEW THREAD

>>2686936
>>2686936
>>2686936

>>2686902
well you sure didn't fix the fucking image size

>>2683045
I love this! Good work!!!

>>2686895
cool, but what a weird expression

>>2686895
Uh didn't a mod tell you to get out of /beg/ or be banned?

This looks really nice, I love those cracks on her cheek. I think her expression is what ruins it for me, we can't tell if she's scowling or smiling.

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So I've been trying to art for a bit now, and I feel like I can replicate things fairly ok from images, like I can draw a blokes face or a building or replicate a character decently (with a few odd lines here or there probably, I hope I'm not overstating things or anything, even in that sort of stuff I have a long way to go), I just keep running into this problem of trying and failing to draw stuff from my imagination. I've got lots of ideas and shit, but every time I try to draw something from my mind and utilize the mechanics of anatomy and perspective and such, I just fall flat every time. Anyone got any advice/resources/exercises for this sort of stuff? I know /ic/ tells us we can make it, but sometimes it just feels like I'm hardwired to not see shit right in my mind.

>>2687153
Oh I had no idea if that was serious or where else I was supposed to go
Sorry everyone
Should I just go to the draw thread?

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Ignore the Lyco thing, I just want critique on the rest of the drawing, especially the sword!

>>2688173
Fuck my life. Screwed the orientation...

>>2683900
fucking lel
the reason i love this board is because people dont give a shit about you tiny little feelings and actually give cold harsh truths so you can get angry and actually improve. good thing that you accepted the critique being an asshole is part of this site

>>2688173
you are starting right? study actual anatomy, i know you feel like you need to put your ideas out and thats good, but you need to learn the basics first, learn how a body works learn how a face works in the meantime try to incorporate your more imaginative drawings with you realistic drawings, and you'll see diference

>>2686673
cant really anything without your previous work so i'll just say what i see
construction of the face is good, everything is in place
fragile trace, try to make a line one continuous stroke and not multiple
however you deserve to be called a lazy ass for posting such a lazy effortless drawing in here and ask for an opinion

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>>2686520
you didnt even use skelly line and basic shapes for the body right? because of that the fragility on your trace is evident trying to find the correct line to define anything in that drawing, face to short the chin need to be longer

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My likeness skills are incredibly shoddy. Any tips? What's off?

>>2686673
You're still symbol drawing a little, it's not major but the eyes and mouth are anatomically incorrect and the nose is a bit crooked.

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>>2688362
Is this any better? It's still not finished.

>>2688360
i dont know what you're talking about, how am I meant to trace on thick sketchbook paper?

Anyone got methods to tell whether a box is a cube or not?

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>>2688440
Fix up your angles, your nose is too vertical and your eye on our right handside is drooping too low, look at the angles of the red lines in pic related for clues.

>>2688541
sorry i dont know the exact word in english
what i mean is you strokes need to be decided
like this >>2681113

>>2684590

your uh basket looks good