How often do you do art studies? Post the last study you did.

That's not a study

>>2672545
hardly any of you fags know what a study is

>>2672576
post your work.

>>2672576
If you think a study has one exact definition and one certain way how it's supposed to look like, then you are the one who doesn't know what a study is. There are hundreds of different ways to study and do studies. What OP posted could very well be a study, depending on what the artist intended to learn from it.

So what's the deal here? Is someone trying to troll Kyle by pretending to be him?

>>2672589
it's malaysiafag

unless you are burnt out why the fuck wouldn't you do multiple every day?

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Beginner here. I'm under the impression a study is something done as realistically as possible to understand and learn how certain things work to make it appealing and "correct" in a stylistic perspective. Is that wrong? Can I style models that I draw like OP?

>>2672611
From what I am reading ( and I have yet to grasp its deeper concept)
A study has a goal in mind, let that goal be anything you want to improve on or refine.
So, to my understanding, the object/person/landscape being studied is but a middleground/third-party measurement to further advance insight, in whatever you wish to gain.

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>>2672583
I think a lot of people copy and consider it a "study" - they get to a point where they can replicate the image relatively well, relying on the negative space and treating the study as a 2d > 2d exercise rather than thinking about the forms as a whole. I'm guilty of this myself, the disparity in quality between copy and imagination is jarring and with people now happily relying on photobashing and 3d as a crutch more than a tool it'll only get worse.

The way Krenz approaches redrawing anatomy from various angles is one of the better ways to internalise the information as it requires thought as well as observation.

At this point I do these studies for relaxation, with a focus on the nuance of details so I don't just repeat my prefered features. That being said I don't find them too valuable and im not sure what I retain.

>>2672601
Who the fuck's Maldraw?

fuck off kyle

AWait if that isn't a study then what is

>>2672545
phat ass. is this drawing yours? because I want to fuck your art

>>2672545
None. I hate studies, I find it so fucking boring, jotting down notes and shit. I just draw shit that I like, and I keep on drawing until I meet my expectations, then I raise that expectation and repeat.

>>2672810
i like op's picture as well.

DrawABox=ISIS

>>2672545
You first

>>2672973
here we go again with this shit.

>>2672973
Is this true?

>>2672611
I like to think of art studies like any other study. In math, did you ever get taught a method to answer a question and then try to do it a different way? Or show that some expression was the same as another even though they looked totally different?

Doing different things to get equivalent results is what I think studying is about. To find what works for you as an artist and to find patterns and rules where there probably shouldn't be any. Who cares how you do it as long as you learn something.

most people here will criticise deviating from the accepted styles of practice, but always do what works for you f,am.

>>2672995
no it isn't , Islam especially radicalized Islam doesn't allow for drawing other than calligraphy because its idolatry.

Does anyone have a link to kyle's gallery?

>>2673005
correction , it doesnt allow drawing of things with souls like people. possibly other things but defiantly people are haraam. http://islamhelpline.net/answer/2239

>>2672713
>At this point I do these studies for relaxation, with a focus on the nuance of details so I don't just repeat my prefered features. That being said I don't find them too valuable and im not sure what I retain.
From the looks of that painting you're just following essentially a set procedure or formula. A lot of things, the edges especially, are not really well observed and are handled pretty heavyhandedly. You'd probably get a lot more if you tried handling and understanding the specifics of the reference, rather than just using a rake smudge brush on the hair, blowing out certain edges entirely etc. The forms and edges around the eyes and nose looks pretty generalized and probably are relying on your internal shorthand of those more than reality. The mouth and ear are entirely a shorthand and convey no real structural information and lack all specificity. It's not a huge surprise you feel you aren't learning much.

I would try to vary the way you approach these. I would guess you would learn more from doing a longer slower study that you spent some real time analyzing things and thinking and observing. You can also change the way you do these from a technique standpoint too, perhaps only use hard brushes or opaque brushes so you are forced to understand the planar structure thoroughly (similar to gouache training). Or leave shapes and values aside entirely and try working for a while in pure line and drawing.

>>2673010
DrawABox.com

Death to America

>>2672991
It's not shit. You just don't want to face reality, and instead choose to whine like a little bitch. I hope terrorists cut your throat open. Oh, and post your work bitch infidel. Let's see how good you hide tracing.

>>2673080
kek What are you even talking about? show me valid evidence that draw-a-box is isis.

>>2672611

It's literally just studying an aspect of something, usually with the implication you're trying to replicate the desired effect.

In /ic/'s context it's almost always used in the context of "I copied this photograph" but there are alternatives. If you took a bunch of works by a painter you like, broke his work down into a color palette, and then tried to paint with that palette, that would still be a study. You're studying his use of color.

>>2672713
>The way Krenz approaches redrawing anatomy from various angles is one of the better ways to internalise the information as it requires thought as well as observation.

LINK OR SOMETHING, spoonfeed us

>>2673091
prove you don't trace

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>>2673039
I've been doing them since ~2008 with a variety of techniques, my mindset toward them obviously doesn't help at this point though.

If anything I've probably used these now and in the past as a means to experiment with technique more so than anything else, trying to see what I can get away with in regards to simplification and color exaggeration. I'm not sure what i'd do with a longer study, 1 hour seems enough to get the information I want down and after that it has always felt unchallenging to draw what I see, I think the time would be better spent drawing something from my imagination and applying the lighting/color scenario as opposed to rote copying, that way im forced to understand it.

Thats not to say that using a 2d reference is wrong but more so my (and I think a lot of people that do these from CA, permanoobs, crimson and the like) way of using them has been.

Appreciate the thought out response and you're not wrong as i've experimented like that before.

>>2673143
Ah okay, my bad for making some assumptions. I still think changing things up is necessary or else you get diminishing returns. There's a reason that classical schools only make people copy out casts at the very start of their education. I think there is a rough progression of different exercises one needs to do to keep progressing, so figuring that out for yourself would be worth putting some thought into. Whether that means painting from life more, or painting from imagination, or doing traditional, or doing something else entirely is up to you. I mentioned slowing down since I think it's a good way of breaking new ground since you aren't relying on any shorthands or tricks or habits at all.

Personally though I barely do any studies these days as I found I wasn't learning as much as I used to. I would rather spend time painting my own illustrations where I need to design a composition and work on storytelling and other aspects like capturing certain emotions. I'll "study" by using indirect reference on these images to help out with colours or materials or shape design or whatever.

>>2673154
>Ah okay, my bad for making some assumptions
Wow you write like some nu-male fag.

>There's a reason that classical schools only make people copy out casts at the very start of their education.
I doubt you really know any of the reasons, for kicks pleas tell us. And fyi they started with reliefs.

>I think there is a rough progression of different exercises one needs to do to keep progressing
Kill yourself you redundant fuckup

>I mentioned slowing down since I think it's a good way of breaking new ground since you aren't relying on any shorthands or tricks or habits at all.
Shitposting isn't suppose to fill your down time.

>I would rather spend time painting my own illustrations where I need to design a composition and work on storytelling and other aspects like capturing certain emotions.
Ego much? Please post some of your "illustrations". I wanna see a master of "designing composition" and "capturing emotion". I need a laugh.

>I'll "study" by using indirect reference on these images to help out with colours or materials or shape design or whatever.
Translation:You'll jerk-off in the reference thread and do a quick google search just to feel accomplished.

Fucking kill yourself kiddo. You're not going anywhere.

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>>2673154
Painting from life was the mantra of the eatpoo boards back in 2003~

I think thats one area of study that i'll always respect and have done the least. Despite living in an area with art galleries everywhere there are absolutely no regular life drawing events and when there is it's mostly middle aged women looking for a night out - which is ok in its own way.

I'm in the same boat to you as im mostly pulling up images to fill in blanks or apply the information from to something else.

>>2673178
I love this place.

>>2673178
>Wow you write like some nu-male fag.
Nope, just Canadian

>I doubt you really know any of the reasons, for kicks pleas tell us. And fyi they started with reliefs.
They often start copying drawings like Bargue plates or other master drawings actually. The reason they stop working on casts is to move on to working from a model which is much more complex as you introduce things like local colour, different materials, more strict time limits etc

>Shitposting isn't suppose to fill your down time.
That's what down time is for

>Ego much? Please post some of your "illustrations". I wanna see a master of "designing composition" and "capturing emotion". I need a laugh.
I never said I was a master, I just said I had diminishing returns on studies. I'm not going to post my work because I know you will shit on it regardless of how good it is. I do make a living off my art though and have been working professionally for several years now, and those are for actual companies and not porn commissions or anything.

>Fucking kill yourself kiddo. You're not going anywhere.
lol

>>2673183
Damn, eatpoo, there's a name I haven't heard in a while. It's a bit before my time though as I only really got serious maybe 7 or 8 years ago. Didn't realize we had people here who had been involved so long.

Also when I said painting from life I didn't mean life drawing (though that counts too). I meant more like still life or plein air.

Jace pls

>>2673191
>canadian
wew lad

As for the rest: You dont know shit about "classical tradition" (protip: There is no definitive one) You sound like a retard that read the fundamental off the back of a ceral box.

Just kill yourself already.

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>>2672545
>33 replies
> 2 replies with actual studies
/ic at it's finest

>>2673699
What's the second set of torsos under the 1 bracket? I can tell the brain and the camera, but the scribble I can't decipher.

Also use a different brush in the future, that ones looks really gross.

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>>2673703
it'a failed/boring sketches.
and I use all kinds of brushes, this one can be fun.

>>2673703
let's see you do better, champ

>>2673713
I'm sorry, why would you assume that a persons taste/ analytical strength is supposed to be backed up by high level of craftsmanship? You don't have to be a cook to judge the taste of the food.
t. the fem torso poster

>>2673717
put up or shut up, kid
which will it be?

>>2673721
how about you just go kill yourself instead?
since you'll never gonna make it.

>>2673726
>>2673721

post your work

>>2673728
well we're waiting, kid

>>2673728
I already did you inbred fucktard.

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I do drapery studies when I feel masochistic

>>2673794
Not bad, but the brushwork is too monotonous and the same everywhere, and it doesn't follow the forms. You can also simplify your value statements a little, like reduce variation within certain areas.

Also can you post the ref?

>>2673794
Increase the contrast pls
Also your brush work is really messy

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>>2673800
>>2673804
I limited my brush strokes deliberately to see what how it would look, I think it would look better on non organic forms. Need to experiment more.

why are people fighting she has a really soft looking ass and I think that is a reason to be happy.

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>>2673854
They don't really look limited though. You have tons of small strokes that don't really add much to it. You can simplify some areas much more by using larger brushes and fewer values. In some places too your use of lots of small strokes makes the shapes messy and takes away from their precision--this is especially evident in the drapery.

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>>2673868
isis is drawabox
and you fucking suck at drawing

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>>2673922
Ahh. /ic/, how I love you so...good times goooodd times.

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>>2673102

>>2673178
>>2673679
>Fucking kill yourself kiddo. You're not going anywhere.
This is what happens when you get an influx of 14 year olds from /b/ thinking they can pretend like they are professionals

>>2673972
Your shitty internet status doesn't make you a professional. And the fact you think this place has any regards to being a professional further proves how niave and full of yourself you really are. Drop the kiddo, you're not fooling anyone. You're going anywhere because all you do talk shit about things you pretend to know.

>>2673197
>canadia
I'm not canadian mang.

I'm a full blooded American Patriot born and raised on a farm.

>>2674334
>American Patriot born and raised on a farm.
sounds like a coverup for isis

>>2673794
>>2673800
>>2673804
>>2673854

I agree on the contrast, add more shadows to bring out the tenabrism. Your brush strokes are fine, a little messy on definition as a whole but you can smooth it out when adding the contrast.

>>2672545
Link of Kyle's gallery
please

>>2672545
that guy who post everyday is doing studies

>>2658584

i consider his to be actual studies

>>2674714
>copy a picutre
>call it a study

>>2674537
Darkmeat.tumblr.com

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Don't have the study but here's the reference image, it's huge so here's a thumb. It's fur from a lion since an anon asked in a thread how to render fur and I realized I haven't done that in a while. I don't tend to save studies once I'm done with them.

>>2674537
I got your back, pham

http://kairunoburogu.tumblr.com/

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Is ~10hrs for something like this too long?

>>2677115
You're a beginner so it's normal to be slow like that. You'll get faster with experience.

>>2677119
When will I stop being a beginner?

>>2677133
depends on how much you practice

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I did this yesterday in like 5 hours.

Hey guys Kyle here, ask me anything.

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My failure is exactly that I don't do enough studies. I haven't developed at all in the last five years.

>>2677187
looks good anon, blog ?

>>2673877
oh, this means dead babies... kek'd audibly

>>2677187
>5 hours
Christ fix your work flow.

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>>2677793
>tfw im just as slow