Why do the well known artists of the internet have such egos?

if youre talented you deal with a lot of shitty people. You'll get your inbox filled with angry tumblrinas, requests and begging, and "how do i draw lik u??".
later it becomes better just to block everyone off

>>2646842
Because they'd rather spend the time answering all your useless questions drawing for money.
Popular artists usually develop friends circles with other popular artists, so they no longer care if their fans hate them, because they're gonna still follow them on all the social medias anyway. They have their little circlejerk hugbox skype convo's where they can shoot the breeze about all the new memes on tumblr and, more importantly, share their knowledge about art with each other and not the rest of the world to remain on top of everyone else, pushing smaller artists who can't obtain any knowledge because they're not giving it out (you) and become the elite.
This is actually quite easy to do on your own. Find a few friends irl (ew) or online (yes). Get their skypes/contacts, make sure everyone knows each other. Share your knowledge and teach each other until you all git gud. Cut out the weakest of the group. Now that you guys have obtained a fan base, contact the artists you'd like to talk to. They'd probably answer to other popular, respected artists rather then some little autist (again, you).
Good luck!

I'm have a feeling so complicated for Sunibee.

I love his art, but he's slacked off, he's prone to deleting his stuff forever, and he has bouts were it seems like he doesn't want to draw anymore. I hold none of these things against him. It just, on a personal level, bugs the hell out of me.

Sunibee's flaky disposition is one of the major driving forces behind me wanting to learn to draw. Whatever lights the fire in your belly.

>>2646857

How do I make friends with artists?

There's a really good artist who has commented on my work and we have a mutual respect for each other. I want to PM him and start a friendship, but as you can tell from me even asking this question I find online relationships hard to start.

>>2646864
You're asking people on 4chan how to make friends?
Experiment. Hit him up with a "wanna do an art trade" or something stupid like that.

>>2646867

I always wondered how art trades start. Do you just do them and they do theirs after seeing you did it or do you actually contact them?

Guess I found out.

>>2646870
I've done art trades and commissions before. From my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (this is important to note, you aren't born with social skills, you develop them through experiences) everything goes down in the DM.
Imo, it would be awkward if someone just drew something and slapped "art trade with anon!" on it without my permission.

>>2646871
>>2646867

Okay, I want to send a DM to this guy. What should I say?

"Hey I like your art and I want to know more about you" is the message I want to convey. How do I get this across without typing something cringey?

>>2646857
I was the weakest of the group, and I can confirm this is actually good advice.

>>2646913
tell what happened
and what happened afterwards
pls

>>2646857
The brutal truth.

>>2646842
Gabe always replies to my questions, he's a champ.

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>>2646857
Except most artist buddy up with people who have their similar interest in mind. And not every group shares their knowledge on art with each other. Your idea that there is elitism is more fantasy than you think. Although, you do have shits like Jasonafag and who ever tends to hang with him.

Image from Tumblr, I know in itself is shit, but still relatable.

>>2646842
it's true. You have to be completely autistic or be at "dad-age" NOT to grow into some kind of self-centered ego-bitch.
I hate that so much. Mostly because i understand how it works yet i can't "grow" into that self-centered ego-bitch.
The thing is - this level is when you stop being "just a random guy nobody cares about" and become a "famous COOL ARTISTXD" with little fans running around you.
Because people always notice that "level" and automatically join you and become your fans. Expecially in social media sites like Tumblr or Deviantart.
I do have a level and people tell me that im cool from time to time but im still that "friendly guy" who talks to nobodies and even discusses some stuff with them and i feel like they "know" that it makes me less cooler. Because i shouldnt be so open to people at my level.
I know it sounds autistic but this how it is.Cool kids don't act like friendly guys ready to talk to everybody.
>>2646864
>How do I make friends with artists?
trust me. It's nearly impossible.
At that point artists will be friends only to
1) successful people from their level that achieved something too (worked on a game, work as illustrator/work for a big company)
2) some really close girl/boy friend.

At this point you will just look like any other annoying "fan".
- You can't contribute anything besides "OMG THIS IS CO COOL"
- You can't inspire them by your own art or achievements
You are useless for their friendship.
>There's a really good artist who has commented on my work and we have a mutual respect for each other.
Oh wait...you are on that part...
Then yeah it's pretty much possible. This how i found my own circle of artist-friends. At some point we just added each other and continued with liking works and sometimes commenting. After a year or two we became closer.
Just stay friendly. Stay "interesting and productive person", don't be annoying and it will do everything by itself.
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>>2646867
>wanna do an art trade
NEVER do this thing till you are sure you became friends with that artist.
Stuff like art-trade or request is a 100% thing that can scare them.
They don't know anything about you and they still not sure if they completely like your art.
Why they will be spending their time to draw something for you?
>>2646857
>Get their skypes/contacts, make sure everyone knows each other. Share your knowledge and teach each other until you all git gud. Cut out the weakest of the group. Now that you guys have obtained a fan base, contact the artists you'd like to talk t
pretty much this.
Also im the weakest of my group because of things i mentioned in previous post. I notice that and i hate this bullshit. This made me spend less time in our "group".
Because i just want to enjoy art and enjoy meeting different people. Im not very social and dont want to be another "cool kid". I just want to draw like i did before.

They receive too many question all the time, they can't answer everything, that's not a sign of huge ego.

>>2646990
this.
If you have an increasing fanbase you can't go all deep and personal with everyone who decides they want to interact with you. Seriously, why is this such a hard topic to comprehend?

>>2646979
>>How do I make friends with artists?
>trust me. It's nearly impossible.
>At that point artists will be friends only to
>1) successful people from their level that achieved something too (worked on a game, work as illustrator/work for a big company)
>2) some really close girl/boy friend.

or you meet and interact with them in an organic way like how most human relationships begin.

directed to anyone in general:
please remember to think about why you actually want to be friends with this person. do you know anything about them other than that you like their art? do you also realize how weird it can be to meet someone who knows (or thinks they know) a lot about you when you know nothing about them? do you also realize how people present themselves on public platforms is usually a very truncated form of how they really are? now also realize that you probably aren't easy to discern from the huge number of people who constantly try to "just become friends" with this one person for some idiotically shallow and/or ulterior motive.

>>2646971
>that image
Oh he is so full of shit. Art groups online are incredibly cliquey. They are like fucking secret clubs full of children. They aren't as open to people that share different views and ideas than them mostly because they are ostracized weirdos irl, and on the internet they actually have some power and control over their social groups. They can ban and block anyone that disagrees with them or challenges their views. Its a hugbox in every regard, and there has been only ONE instance I can think of where I have been apart of an art group where that wasn't the case. And that group some gravity falls group on skycow. Those guys were chill. While all the other rooms banned you for petty shit, they only did it as a last resort. And they talked to everyone, not just people that frequented the session. Man I miss those guys.

>>2646998
>or you meet and interact with them in an organic way like how most human relationships begin.
Yeah,no. This method may work with normies, but a lot of artists are autistic, or have mental issues that prevent them from making friends normally like the rest of us do. There's a reason why so many of them gather online. They can't socialize and make relationships in real life like other people.

>>2646998
>or you meet and interact with them in an organic way like how most human relationships begin.
wat.
How you meet and interract with some 10k follower person from Twitter or Tumblr?
You sound like some parrent that says "oh well JUST go and find a friend xD".
You can't just simply go and meet somebody you want in the internet that easy.

Talking with them in comment section wont work because your voice will sink in thousands of comments and even if they will answer - it wont mean anything.

Finding and starting a conversation somewhere else outside of their circle will look creepy as fuck like you are some stalker who FINALLY found him.

I guess it could work during forum-days where it was easier because they were hanging out in "Music" or "Other tlak" sub-forums but such platforms dont exist anymore.

>>2647013
what a pile of bullshit. the majority of artists are normal people. just like the majority of people in general aren't autistic.

>>2647017
If you are an artist then you are not normal.

>>2647016
then you simply don't get to be their friends. what the hell is so bad about this? why would you even want to become friends with somebody you don't know on at least a basic personal level?

>>2647020
keep your delusions flying high.

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>>2647013
>a lot of artists are autistic, or have mental issues that prevent them from making friends normally like the rest of us do. There's a reason why so many of them gather online. They can't socialize and make relationships in real life like other people.
or completely opposite - soma alpha as fuck normies with "friends to hang out" irl where they smoke hookah and watch movies.
They most likely dont care about 1 neet that tries to to be friends with them in the internet.

I guess this whole "friends" thing can work only with another autistic lonely neet that draws some tumblr/furry shit/OCs or other juvenile stuff.

>>2647022
>why would you even want to become friends with somebody you don't know on at least a basic personal level?
you clearly dont understand how friendship works/starts...

>>2647028
friendships start by hanging out with people. the point here is doing that and getting to know each other in a NATURAL way.
trying to reproduce that online in an environment where you don't have the opportunity to hang out with said person properly is simply retarded.

>artist online "friends"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJb2T66N7sQ
>>2647033
this post is the truth

----
Usually, unless you both share plenty in common (and I mean PLENTY), and actually get to know each other beyond the normal level your online "friendship" will end in drama. The strangers you talk to online ain't your friend, they are just your "friend".

>Need friends to be better drawing
never gonna make it

I can't believe there's a fucking discussion about how to make friends..

There's something wrong with a lot of you. I blame the internet and the rise of kids growing up with iphones. I'm in my late 30's. We had no computer and a rotary telephone. you had to choice but to go outside and make friends with the neighborhood kids. Making friends comes easy if you're simply a normal person socially.

I feel the internet (as much as it's an amazing thing) perpetuates and encourages people to remain withdrawn. Those who have social problems. Almost enabling them to make them feel there's nothing wrong with them.

When there is.

Making friends comes fucking naturally.

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>>2647083
>I'm in my late 30's

Hi grandpa, what's it like living without plasticity?

>>2647088
Pretty shitty.

How's your ed and dwindling instinct to please a woman doing, due to your chronic masturbation to online porn?

>>2647083
>I can't believe there's a fucking discussion about how to make friends..
kek

>>2647093

I can still get it up like a child no problem. As for pleasing a woman:
online porn = masturbation
sex = for having babies

Sex out of wedlock is degenerate. Sticking to 2D is the intelligent mans choice.

>>2646857
fucking kek

>all good artists sit on super-duper sekrit knowledge they jealously guard to stay at the top

Now this is autism at its finest. Just because some popular artist didn't bother answering your dumb questions you turn it into a giant fucking conspiracy which conveniently explains why a genius such as yourself still suck.

Jesus Christ the people on this site is something outta this world.

>>2647083
>Making friends comes easy if you're simply a normal person socially.

The whole fucking point is not being normal socially.

>>2647088
>Hi grandpa,
you know you should be at least 18 to post here?

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>>2647104
>online porn = masturbation
>sex = for having babies
>Sex out of wedlock is degenerate

>>2647104
Sooooo that means you're a faggot and a potential cuck right?
(And a virgin)

>>2647122

No, I had done it once when I was 14 with a loli and that's it. That doesn't count as breaking the rule because such love is pure.

>>2647117
Never said any of, but ok teenager.

>>2647107
Then become normal. Fucking enabled cry baby

>>2647128
>>2647117
shit, sorry dude. I thought that was directed at me

>>2647132
this >>2647128 isn't me>>2647104
don't know why he's pretending to be me

>>2647129
Wow, thanks for the advice!
While I'm at it I think I'll become a millionare, pro wrestler and maybe a dragon as well.

>>2647142
You CAN learn to be normal socially. Stop being a bitter, self loathing little pussy. Your years are gonna scorch by and you'll be even more depressed. Whatever, fuck you, kid. Remain in your self diagnosed tumblr depression. Guess what, we all have depression, you're nothing and no one special. Deal with it and grow or just plain fuck right the fuck off.

Save us and anyone you come in contact with you fucking shit awkward attitude.

"I CANT I CANT. YOU NO UNDERSTAND. I NO LEAVE BED! I DEPRESSED. I AWKWARD. SELF DIGNOSED ANXIETY!"

no one fucking cares dude. Shy away from hard work for the rest of your life and stay fooled thinking "THATS JUST THE WAY I AM".

whatever. eat shit, you little pussy.

>>2647147
>we all have depression
Aww, did your gf break up with you, normalfag?
How cute.

>>2647151
No. I'm married. Even worse. No more strange.

snowflakefag

>>2647159
How nice life's been treating you good.

>>2647147

I just don't think I could do it. I can't see people IRL without wanting to skillet them on an oven like I do online. That's the thing, I'm letting myself get taken advantage of through being kind to people IRL like holding the door open for someone or saying thanks when I shouldn't do these things. I should be mean. I should put my foot down at all times.

Like the other day this bitch at Mc Dondons got my order wrong and gave my icecream to the other person in line. Instead of giving me a new Icecream she was just took the icecream out of the other customers hand and gave it to me. That was when I needed to put a bitch in her place and remind her that's why your ass is working at Mc Donads, because you're worthless and have no skills while proceeding to tell her I want my refund. But no, instead I had to act "normally" and kind.

>>2647162
What a hard life you lead...

Seriously, if these are your "problems" and this shit is what bothers you, then you're fucked when you get older.

Enjoy the mental home. You can git gud from your group therapy art class.

>>2647165


Getting the Mc tendies order wrong is a serious issue, Grandpa. It's a food you cannot enjoy anymore because your tastebuds have gotten worse from all the prune juice you've been drinking.

>>2647147
>You CAN learn to be normal socially.
why would i do that?
>Stop being a bitter, self loathing little pussy
wat.
not normal =/= bitter/selflotathing

Not to mention you pretty much described those Elie artists OP was talking about.
>we all have depression, you're nothing and no one special.
i agree with this. some people even have it worse than me.
Still it doesnt mean my depression matters/hurts less. And no its not self diagnosed tumblr depression.
>>2647159
>No. I'm married
stopped reading here

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>>2647069
>2 hours

>>2647012
>They aren't as open to people that share different views and ideas than them mostly because they are ostracized weirdos irl,

Wew this level of projecting

>>2647207

>wew

>>>funnyjunk

>>2647105
congrats on not realizing the sarcasm you stupid shit. I'm fully aware there's no fucking art illuminati out there, it's just a rough basis for what I thought from experience was going on in the art world.
I spend a lot of time taking commissions from furries and I noticed this type of petty highschool popularity contesting happens in their community a lot.

>>2646971
yeah no that was definitely the worst rant I read this week. Like I can't even believe he responded to that ask in such a ballistically autistic way

I don't obsess over trending shit or memes. I like porn but I don't obsess over lewd shit. So half the time I never have anything to talk about with other internet artists. I can't stand talking to most internet artists, desu. I hate online based relationships in general. They are extremely shallow and impersonal so I lose interest fast. I got over that shit when I was in middle school/high school. It's not something I want to regress back into. Most of my friends are offline and 90% of them aren't artists at all. The only people I keep in contact with via online are people I meet offline and made friends with while in other states.

>>2646842

9/10 illustrators & digital painters where I live are of the fullblown SJW tumblr type. Basically if you like to draw classically beautiful women you're a misogynist pig. I'm not even exaggregating for effect, this is the general belief. I have a few select artists friends though that are sexist pigs aswell.

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>>2647209

>>2647172
nigga, I'll kill 3 20 pcs. and fuck you under the table. Bet my libido far surpasses your weak, frail little iphone pokemon go genes

Heh, who knows, a good artist used to draw stuff for me, i tried to befriend him and now he hates me to death.

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Anyone remembers me?, haven't been here for like a year.

>>2647358 IIIIIm such a fucking idiot, somehow i replied in the wrong thread

how do i get artist gf like brek and keppok

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I was in a skype group with thdark and zach nien/fartwork and they got incredibly good and I was just some furfaggot that never did

>>2647361
Keppok's not an artist. She pretends she is. Get a girl who knows how to cook.

>>2647358
cъeбaлa, pycня

>>2647358
i was actually thinking about you when i saw the OC thread.
what's your blog again?

>>2647069
Subscribed

>>2646857
what the fuck did i just read

>>2647361
Brekkist is a gril?

>>2647343

you're being trolled, check out "chicken tendies meme"

>>2647486


I'm not trolling for your information I actually ordered 20 pc tendies, a fries and an icecream. Not everything is a meme.

>>2646842
I dunno man. Maybe you're the problem.

>>2647487
Eat your McTendies cunt

>>2647016
>>2647013
>>2647012
>>2646998
>>2646981
>>2646979
>>2646857

So much projection and tumblr drama in these posts. Artists dont owe you anything no matter how many times you reblog their content and lick their assholes in the replies.

>>2647364
at least you know some basic art .

>>2647518
>projection
>tumblr drama

Of course artists don't owe people friendships, that doesn't make anything they say any less true in a lot of cases. Internet artists in particular are petty and obsess over the dumbest crap. They are also incredible boring people half the time. And getting free/gift art doesn't make the vapid relationship with them rewarding.

>>2647544
Not going to make it

>>2647551
>implying
I already have 7k followers and make a solid amount of side money off commissions. I'm just being honest. Most of the internet artists I've spoken to are boring people. Probably because they just rid the wave of whatever is trending rather than actually make original content. Fans of their work just always have rose tinted glasses on.

>>2647559
spark something then

>>2647544

Look, I get it, youre upset that your favorite artists dont automatically befriend you, just stop projecting. Maybe you out to think about taking a break from tumblr for a bit and reassess your life.

>>2647560
Why bother? I have very little in common with a lot of them when it comes to personal taste and I don't care about the majority of the stuff they like that's currently trending (Pokemon, Overwatch, etc.). I'd rather focus on making more money and growing as an artist.

>>2647579
I didn't get into art to make friends. I have plenty of those already.

>>2647583
blog?

>>2647579
this is why you passive aggressive shits can't make friends outside the internet.

>>2647518
lol, did you even read my post? i was basically saying exactly what you just said but in a more polite, non-antagonistic (to either artists or their fans) and explanatory way. artists are actual real and complex human beings (like every person on earth) and just liking their art is a shitty, shallow reason to want to be their friend, not to mention that you most likely don't actually know that person at all. you don't make friends (talking in general now) from actively pursuing another person's attention, you make them from meeting them in places where you're both looking to interact socially and can approach each other on equal footing, otherwise you're just bothering a person with unwanted attention.

>>2647544
>>2647559
i feel you're being too cynical about what people like and trying to draw a line between online producers and consumers like everybody produces content solely to gain attention when really they most likely just like the thing. also boring is a relative term. unless you share some kind of interests or meshed well personality wise you're most likely boring to those other artists too, not that i'm trying to shit on you, it's fine being boring. most decent artists are usually too busy trying to make their work interesting to not be boring, they're usually very aware of this. try to remember to be self aware too

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ITT: Socially inept individuals giving advice on making friends to other socially inept people.

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>>2647622
nah, trying to give advice to make people less annoying

>>2647605
>i feel you're being too cynical about what people like

Maybe, but if all you have to offer for conversation half to time is whatever nerd stuff is trending it's no different from the people who obsess over current movie celebrities or the Kardashians.

> They won't answer your questions

What entitles you to busy people taking time out of their day to answer every jackass who asks "how did you get so good what's your secret ?????? ;)"
Giving an actual answer takes a lot of time, unless you say "Just practice every day."

>or when they do they say something condescending or mean spirited.

Like what? Are you sure you're not just being a big fucking baby about the fact that not every competent artist is going to take the time to write you a 20 page essay on exactly how to draw?

Not to mention a lot of well known artists I've seen do tutorials, but apparently you want the special treatment because obviously they're holding out on you.

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>>2647083
This isn't a discussion about how to make friends, this is a discussion on how to manipulate others and work your way up the social hierarchy.

>>2647717
I really like this guy's expression

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>>2647719
You should read his books, too.

>>2647722
>not going to make it

>>2647629
literally "me ooga, them booga" the post

>>2647719
save it, it's all yours my friend

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>/ic/ actually thinks that social class exists among a bunch of degenerates who draw porn for a living

Not everything is Machiavellian, youre either annoying or just creepy and autistic so nobody wants to talk to you.

>>2647012
>>2647223

that image is spot on. I have ~15k followers on the website I'm on and people send me asks or add me on skype and just say 'can I be your friend'? Its fucking weird. I pal around with randos all the time if they add me and can actually banter a bit and talk about common interests. Its just the people who beg to be your friend and then get shut out because they have no common ground whatsoever go and start saying the artist is only talking to people in their clique or whatever. its retarded.

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>>2646957
anon!!!

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>this thread
You guys are enormous faggots. Maybe you're trying to talk to the wrong artists. Or maybe your questions are just so fucking stupid, it pisses them off. The bunch of people that inhabit this board are some of the most hypocritical bastards I've ever met. I know plenty of popular artists who're amazing and social people, saying "all x" is fucking retarded. Also consider everyone doesn't have time in the day to say "Thanks" 600 different times.

>>2646867
>hey wanna do a gesture battle?

>>2647937
pretty much this, right here.

>>2648064
/thread

no one owes you faggots a goddamn thing. Fucking self entitled little shits.

>>2646842

Yeah, a guy that spends all day uploading his drawings of prolapsed pony anuses to tumblr sure seems like someone I'd like to hang out with

>>2648192
>Yeah, a guy that spends all day uploading his drawings of prolapsed pony anuses to tumblr sure seems like someone I'd like to hang out with
this
i nearly vomited when i opened his FA page.
it says a lot about OP.

>>2648064
>implying
More people in general feel they are entitled to friendships than romantic relationships. If you think this entitlement is exclusive to just 4chan NEETs, you're horribly mistaken. Happens with other artists and "normies" too. If a person someone admires or takes inspiration from gives them the cold shoulder after trying to reach out numerous times, they tend to feel a certain kind of way. No one likes rejection. It's just something you have to deal with. People are terrible with dealing with rejection, introverts moreso than extroverts. I've had decent artists get just as salty as some fans when I don't bother messaging them or accepting art trades because I just don't really care and aren't looking for more friends with people on the internet.

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>be in middle school/newfag
>was really into tegaki drawing shitty animu etc.
>there was this one RP group that had Smash bro characters in school AU setting
>oh I wanna add a nintendo character in it too!
>draw Ridley being kawaii because big dinos are cute whatever
>next day
>the owner of the RP group comments on my Ridley doodles to sign up on live journal or some shit first
>wat ok I guess
>on top of that owner opens up an announcement reminding the rules etc. etc., but the kicker is I remember that she wrote some big-ass essay on it
>some guy calls her out
>disables comments

not really the worst experience one can have, but I don't know why people get all autistic over some stupid shit

It would be nice if you posted what kind of questions go unanswered

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Wait why would you want to be friends with talentless neets online?

From the point you have friends IRL there's literally no point to make friends online, even moreso 'artists'

>>2648614
What if you have no friends IRL though

>>2646857
My autism doesn't let me.

>>2648617
thats too bad, unfortunately art is a social pursuit. Even if you're amazingly skilled, any artist who is equally skilled with social skills will almost always be more successful.

And "social skills" nowadays doesn't even require going outside, it's literally the perfect time for shut-ins and autists. If you can't even socialize on the internet then you're kinda screwed, but I bet you could if you just tried. I've know plenty of people who are sperglords IRL but have huge followings online.

>>2648614

Networking. It's a thing, you know. If you go to art related events like THU it definitely doesn't hurt to have befriended a few artists online.

>>2648628
> art is a social pursuit.
Only when you have the intent to sell it. The path to actually improving and finding your voice is a very lonely pursuit.

>And "social skills" nowadays doesn't even require going outside
Those aren't real social skills. Socializing on the internet isn't really socializing since there is a massive disconnect due to the very nature of the internet. Body language is gone from 99% of your interactions with people on the net. The only socializing that ever matters is when in person. You don't need a huge online following of anime neets and nerds to be successful as an artist.

>>2648641
It depends what you define as success. I was referring to the creating and selling of artwork online, which is what most people on this board are aiming towards. I do see what you mean by internet socializing =/= real socializing, but if you're genuinely autistic then you probably don't enjoy real socializing in the first place.

>>2648646
>I was referring to the creating and selling of artwork online
Even that doesn't have to involve having a huge following of socially inept anime nerds, which is what most "popular" internet artists have. When it comes to actually selling work, to hell with follower numbers. That number is an indication of window shoppers, not actual customers.

>>2648734
correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the best way to get commissions is to expose yourself to as large of an audience as possible... if you want to educate me though, I'm all ears, given that you actually sell work.

>>2648755
>commissions
That's not that only way to make money with your art. You can sell merchandise. T-shirts, keychains, prints, buttons, stickers, etc. You can also do business with other entrepreneurs who have nothing to do with art, like entertainers and personalities. But this requires real networking, not trying to be accepted by a "cool kids" club of random artists online that have nothing and will get you nowhere. It requires leaving your house and actually traveling. There are countless "popular" artists who have patreons that barely make anything. The number of followers is a trap. If you care about attention more than actually making money, then yes it might mean something to you.

>>2648766
the merchandising still seems like it would require a large audience to market to, though. and for some artists traveling to network is impossible.

>>2648636
Networking doesn't mean making friends, just having people acknowledging you exist is enough

You guys are fucking weird. And creepy

>>2648967

>you guys are fucking weird and creepy

Says the autist who doesn't understand making friends is networking. Wow, unbelievable.

>>2648974
If you can't distinguish the difference between a friend and an acquaintance, it's probably you who's autistic. Networking only involves becoming acquainted. Anything more is extra and not needed.

>>2647382
http://gatathefuturerussiankitty.tumblr.com/

sorry for interrupting.

>>2648997

The term "making friends" is used rather loosely and doesn't necessarily imply deep friendship, it can just aswell mean someone who in this case is a cool and friendly guy who makes superficial art buddies online. I don't know, but the way you worded "just having people aknowledging you exist is enough" sounds kind of... Dry? Sure, if your art is good people will want to seek you out anyway but being a friendly and likeable person makes such a huge difference. It's also a big part of doing business and being a salesman.

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>>2648766
yeah no one buys artist's merchandise unless youre an etsy "artst" that prints random quotes and mugs
and for example in this pic there are way better artists you can commission for $1,000 but he chose this one because he's popular and probably doesnt know any good artists
ur kinda wrong sorry bud

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>>2649026

>$1325
>for that

brb creating a furaffinity account

>>2649026
>yeah no one buys artist's merchandise
The entire point you tried to make was founded on a straight up lie. I'm sorry you can only sell work to degenerates.

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>>2649040
>no one buys artists' merchandise
>lie
ok chris chan have fun with your tacky garbage keychains made by artists who have no idea what the fuck good design is

>>2649045
>Still has no point
Go back to chasing your dream job of selling art to horny degenerates online. Enjoy getting blacklisted.

>>2647126
>fedora intensifies

>>2649050
lmfao nigga have fun selling white $4 plastic keychains to a few deviantart manchildren while i'm making thousands drawing neon green dick at no cost to me

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>>2649060
>implying
SFW artists make more than degenerate fetish artists. They have a bigger pool of customers, more people value their work, and it opens up more opportunities to grow with other businesses. Enjoy that blacklist and never leaving your house while your art becomes stagnant. At least the degenerates like you.

>>2649075
cool but once again, established or ""degenerate"" (nice meme btw) no one is going to buy your ugly redbubble shit

>>2649025
There are people in this thread literally asking how to become friends with the artists they like

>>2649075
Okay, I keep seeing these gifs in this artstyle. What the fuck are they from?

>>2649139
Lurk more

>>2649060
How is doing NSFW commissions any better than a 9-5? You still have people you don't know and don't really care to know people telling you what to do at the end of the day since their money is paying your bills. You don't have income coming from anywhere else. And since the appeal isn't broad, you're just dealing with the same small group of people again and again while poorfag followers just go on about how they "wish" they had the money to commission you even though NSFW commissions prices are generally cheaper than those outside of NSFW.

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>see someone better than you charging $25/picture
>see someone worse than you charging $100/picture

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>>2649831
Prices don't matter.
None of this matters.
Charge whatever you want and people will pay it. Simple as it's ever been.

>>2649032
Can you draw like him and would enjoy building friendships with furries?

>>2646857

It's actually true, I was in some reserved chats with some hot head popular artists from time to time in private Skype chats. Shit gets... weird, some of them were hardcore into some loli shit secretly or get really sensitive on certain topics and shit goes haywire. I was even in some convos with Glitchedpuppet the chick who makes ForbiddenFlora and FloraVerse, I usually lurked, but shit gets weird fast. And it is really a circle jerk of hug box shit. If you have a differing opinion, you will be ousted and ignored. A good amount of them are pro-SJW movement shit, and it's super cringey to hear the convos. Basically what this anon is saying is pretty accurate, but for the art techniques and processes, they barely if ever talk about what and how they do their process, they usually just link one another stuff with new anatomy or coloring tutorials, or just link each porn they like. And if you ask, they dodge the question of "Oh that's really neat, how did you do that?" with a link to some generic half assed coloring tutorial or anatomy stuff.

Btw, love Sunibee's stuff.

>>2646857
This sounds delussional af desu

>>2652023
>wow people act like actual people
Delusional, all of you.

>>2652023
>glitchedpupped

Ah, I had almost forgotten all that purplekecleon drama shit of the past. Hopefully she's grown up by now. Seems her art has rather stagnated, though.

>>2652978
>people act like actual people
I think you mean
>degenerates act like degenerates
It's the reason why trying to "network" with internet artists who never leave the house and only have a presence online is a complete waste of time. They don't have anything worthwhile or interesting to say. It's probably why they started drawing in the first place. It's not like they were going to get attention any other way.

>>2652023
Reminds me of a group of people who hang out in a streamers twitch chat.
Would rather hang out with a bunch of people who disagree with each-other and are always at eachother's throats.

Basically a /ic/ which isn't contaminated by people who can't draw.

>>2648565
What

>>2647544
Wow, are you salty your idol rejected you for being an annoying autist anon?

>>2649091
Not that anon but my art friend pay's his phone contract and other expenses with the money he gets from the popular brand logo t shirt shit he threw up on redbubble, like pokemon, skyrim ect

Lucky bastard.

>>2652981
links please

>>2653043
>idolizing internet artists
For what purpose? Get some taste, anon. It also looks like that post triggered you.

>>2653176
>Projecting

It's okay anon, I understand no need to be so salty, wouldn't want you to have a heart attack.

I tried to get to know a couple artists I looked up to, im not saying im a beginner, im pretty well known, but I guess not well known enough for them. They sort of just ignored me.

I felt kind of out of place in their circle since they didnt seem to pay any mind when i tried to be friendly.

Some people just arent going to like you, you cant befriend everyone, and sometimes your idols arent nice people.

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>>2653177
>literally projects because he didn't have a point
>accuses me of projecting.
>>>/tumblr/

>>2653184
Look anon I told you its fine, stop getting mad okay?

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>>2653187
>implying
You're the only one who sounds mad here, anon. Take some meds and get some sleep. I'm sure you'll feel better tomorrow. You might make it someday.

>>2653195
Look anon please calm down, your making a scene.

>>2652981
>>2653135
Holy shit, I just spent 45 minutes reading forum topics about this purplekecleon bitch, do people really spend so much time in tiny deviantart Pokemon communities to the point where they have actual drama going on involving the owners of the group? Do these people have lives outside of their computers?

>>2653203
>Do these people have lives outside of their computers?
Do you really need to ask that question? Of course not.

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>>2653206
this is so pathetic. they've been going on about the drama surrounding a pokemon artist for 2 fucking years. there's over 300 pages in that topic. are these people actually insane?

>>2653302
The stuff they draw is so stupid too....purplekecleon draws like a 5 year old and sunibee draws gross animals with saggy tits and fat asses.

>>2653302
>editing a post 1.5 years after the fact
kek
>>2653315
Most of the people in the furry scene or in close relation to it, ie pokemon fags and sonic fags, have mental issues. Doesn't matter if they are the artist who never goes outside or the commissioner who works the typical 9-5 and doesn't know how to be anything but a consumer. 90% of them are fucked in the head and online is the only real social interaction they try to have most of the time.

>>2653302
>kiwifarms
It's not 2006 anymore guys. You can stop with the "lolcows" nonsense

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>>2653315
at least sunibee's work is fappable. what the actual fuck am i looking at here?

>>2646857
>he thinks there are secret things about art that can get you ahead in some intangible manner
fuck off

>>2653343
There are, just look at politics.

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What I don't get is that in spite of the crazies and the egotists, anons still post thier real blogs in the self promotion threads. That is just asking for trouble.

>>2653351
>anons
Those people aren't anons. Those people have names.

>>2646842
YOU'RE ASKING THE WRONG QUESTIONS. AND YOU PROBABLY COME ACROSS AS SOME FUCKING RANDOM WEIRDO. CAUSE YOU'RE STAR STRUCK BABY STAR STRUCK BABY.

>>2653353
That's my point. They come here posting as anon and also post thier real blog. Like nobody can connect the two. Like nobody can recognize someone's hand when they post here and elsewhere.

Or maybe they want to be found out and connected back to all the shitposting?

>>2653370

How exactly do you intend to connect somebody posting a link in a thread to literally any other post they've made on /ic/, unless they use a name?

Unless you post a fucking manifesto with your tumblr link containing all your commonly stated opinions nobody is going to connect the two.

>>2653399
>How exactly do you intend to connect somebody posting a link in a thread to literally any other post they've made on /ic/, unless they use a name?

muh style

It's an actual thing. Every anon has one. It's pretty easy to spot an anon's art in a thread, if you're familiar with their work. Eventually they advertise their personal blog and the rest is easy.

>>2653408

Have you ever seen what happens when someone goes "post your work"? Nothing. People are generally smart enough not to tie their shitposting to their art.

>>2653412
>People are generally smart enough not to tie their shitposting to their art.

You'd be surprise.

>>2653302
>>2653315
>>2653341

I still laugh at the fact that Purplekecleon quit art school because her teachers didn't "understand her style" and decided that she didn't need anatomy or perspective to be a good artist, quit studying and has stayed the same ever since. She makes bank with all her cutsie moe furry merchandise though so I guess she's happy where she is.

To this day though she still can't take a critique.

>>2653416

I can think of very few examples besides obvious namefags.

>>2653315
>>2653341
>>2653421
She's probably autistic. I mean, she even said it herself.

>>2649139
Let me show you the way buddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EKTw50Uf8M

>>2646842
>They won't answer your questions
They don't owe you shit you fucking retard. Sending them emails or tweets or whatever and then getting angry because they didn't reply to you makes you an entitled faggot.

>>2646842
I have dozens of unread messages on my DA and tens of thousands of notes/comments to read. On my tumblr I have a little over a hundred unread messages/questions. Twitter, about a dozen or so private messages and countless tweets I have ignored.

Why? Because I am soul crushingly shy, introverted, awkward and don't know what to say. Worse, I'm terrified the person will want to have an actual conversation with me if I do reply. If someone like Artgerm, Betty(Hiiiii), Bengal, or any other artist I respect messages me I might say hi back. Odds are, they would be too busy to want a full on conversation and they probably won't spend the entire time freaking out while making me awkward with excessive compliments.

If an artist that I don't particularly find their art relatable (like Bradley or something) then I probably wouldn't. It's not about being one of the cool kids "clique" but literally everyone surrounds themselves with like minded people they can relate with

>>2653458
I am autistic myself and I can take critic. I have to, I am working as a concept artists and most of the stuff we produce need to get dropped or changed.

It gets hard to relate to other non artist friends when you have a huge fanbase and countless people trying to get you to acknowledge them because of your "status". Like you adding them as a friend makes it like they won at something and managed to get someone "big" as theirs.

Then the endless countless messages/requests/etc come in from people who don't understand the process or not at a level you are.

It's far easier to associate with people like yourself and it's why we're all in one discord/skype/whatever and don't let people who aren't at our level in because every time we have they end up shitting the pool.

tldr till you're as big as us you just don't get how fucking annoying it is dealing with your "fans" who feel you owe them for getting so big.

Oh look another fucking garbage thread.

>>2653564
>It gets hard to relate to other non artist friends when you have a huge fanbase and countless people trying to get you to acknowledge them because of your "status".
Speak for yourself. Most of my real friends are IRL in other fields unrelated to digital art. You should probably get another hobby. One that is actually social and requires personal human interaction. Take trips and go to real life drawing sessions at least.

>tldr till you're as big as us you just don't get how fucking annoying it is dealing with your "fans" who feel you owe them for getting so big.
It's annoying but you do owe them. They are the people giving you attention and feeding your ego in the first place. If you're only internet popular, without them you would be nothing.

The problem is as >>2653529 pointed out. A lot of popular internet artists are awkward introverts who have no real idea how to manage a fanbase. And in most cased, when you draw weeb shit or porn, you can pretty much abuse your fanbase and not worry about losing them because of the kind of desperate people who make up those fanbases. They aren't known for good PR. They, generally, just aren't good at socializing.

>>2653869
>A lot of popular internet artists are awkward introverts who have no real idea how to manage a fanbase.
More like almost no one does

>>2653873
Just look at the Breeding Season/Cloud Meadow situation. There is a lot of bullshit that goes on in the online circles that would not fly with in the more professional mainstream. That's one reason why people don't respect it and don't recommend entering it. You can never learn any real professionalism by joining online cliques. They are never about that.

>>2653351
I only post smut so it's not like I can sully my name or anything

>>2654162
Better be good smut or you're sullying your name.

>>2654167
>Better be good smut or you're sullying your name.
Sully to who? People that browse this board? Who cares? It's not like people in the smut circle actually have values on what's appropriate behavior. People get away with worse than shitposting on an anonymous board. Your priorities are fucked.

>"Thank you."
>"Refer to this guide:"
>"I'm sorry, but I'm not interested."

That's all you need to interact with people online. Have your friends separate, and discuss methods or techniques with your colleges in a curt, professional manner. You don't have to pour your feelings out or rant off topic.