Have you ever known an artist that killed themselves?

>>2633897
I don't follow kids

Personally? No.

But I followed the guy who used to do 1930s nightmare theater before he killed himself.

His last comic was a joke about suicide, and was actually pretty funny.

>>2633904
What was his name?

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minus8

>>2633907

By Ricky Garduno.

They took down the suicide comic after he died.

CRAWWWWWWWWWWLING
IN
MY
SKIIIIIIIIIIIIN

Just fyi
Suicide is not worth it.
You won't be alive for full vr porn and who wants to miss that.

>>2633897
Not straight up killed himself but fell into the dark spiral of insanity in till the drugs finished him off.

>He was a young amazingly talented artist
>Used to envy him in art class at school, dude was one of those guys who had "it"
>He wanted to go to art school and become an artist
>His dad was the town mayor
>His father was very stern and tried to push him down a more political path
>Dude was failing in other classes like maths
>Forced to move to private school
>Still failing
>Dad told him to quit art and throw our his art equipment
>He was still failing in school and was going to be kicked out
>Anon Cracked, Somthing in side his head broke and he never recovered
>Went bat shit insane and ran away
>Everyone lost contact with him
>For about a mouth Anon was moving around at night creating amazing graffiti street art, fucking works of art
>Police where trying to hunt him down and return him to his dad

>carnival night
>about 9:30pm and carnival is forced to stop
>Anon was high on acid sitting in the road crying while wearing a pink tutu
>His dad was mocked for being a poor father and resigned as mayor
>for about a few years Anon lived in a crack house with some junkie friends and walked around town wearing a tutu (never saw him without it)
>drugs finished him a few years later

last year I was talking to a mate who had being round his house (to pick up some drugs from one of the junkies). He showed me pictures of what he saw. Anon had painted all the walls in the house with some of the most beautiful art I've ever seen. Anon never gave up on his dream, he was forced out of it.

>>2633957
true, true

Does a slow suicide count

Toshinho is currently homeless and refuses to get a job outside of art. His social media right now is him drawing on pencil and paper at benches and his homeless life

>>2634265
I will never understand why he doesn't have art related job. He's not amateur artist. But well, if you lost home it's not like even job can save you from suffering unless someone paid you 200k+ $

>>2634265
>Toshinho is currently homeless

How the fuck... how is that possible? /IC/ told me it's easy to get by once you are good

>>2634265

he was a kojima production designer... how the fuck does he end up homeless????

>>2634291
>>2634294
Real estate problems? Who knows

>>2634265
>>2634273
>>2634291
>>2634294
Just looked this guy up on twitter and DA...
Am i missing something? Hes very amatuerish

>>2634309
>Am i missing something?
Yes, you missing something.

>>2634309
HAHAHAH

He is the man that drew us Final Fantasy Tactics, Metal Gear Solid, Castlevania, Megaman Zero, Batman Arkham Asylum, Diablo 3, Diablo 2 Reaper of Souls, Fire Emblem Awakening and Fates, No More Heroes, Call of Duty and Resident Evil.

On the Manga and Anime side, this guy published Kill la Kill, Gunbuster, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Batmanga, 50% of Studio Ghibli stuff, Boky no Hero Academia, Dragon Ball when it was good, and One Punch Man.

The guy is a legend. Only problem is that he is very good at hiding his power level.

You see those drawings he makes? He usually draws them in less than 8 minutes.

>>2634321
>being so buttmad over nothing
kek

>>2634327
I am not buttmad. It is you who is buttmad because you responded to my comment.

>>2634265
I refuse to believe an artist like this and former employee of Kojima has to live on the streets
I mean, is it that hard to get by in Japan?
I hope he's just a bit fucked in the head and it's some spiritual, search for inner peace or something like that

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>>2634339
>clownery
>"I am not buttmad"
>it's u!
>just pretending!
WEW

>>2634347
WEW nothing. I am not angry. If I could take a photo of myself and send it to you, you would realize I am not mad.

WEW is the definition of madness, because you responded not once, but twice.

Which makes you the loser of our argument.

Good day to you. And good readance.

Asshole.

>>2634355
You don't have camera? Are you NEET?

>>2633897
>"Artists"
>quote from some animu drawing kid

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>>2633897

>>2634321
>He usually draws them in less than 8 minutes.
Source?

>>2634321
Go back 2 bed, Toshinho

>>2634742
> Bed
> Toshinho

Pick one.

I used to have a group of friends and we've all been drawing since a super young age. None of us are friends anymore except sometimes I still talk to one of them, and I'm pretty sure she's going to kill herself within the next few years. She's already tried so many times and I guess she's just really bad at it or does it for attention. But her life has taken a really dark turn lately and there's just nothing I can really do about it. I've done all I can to help her. She's cried wolf so many times nobody gives a shit about her anymore.

>>2634265
now i know im never gonna make it

>>2634768
You just can't help some people. It's just how it is.

>>2634355
Sorry to pop ur lil bubble but you're contradictibg urself

Just ignore annoying anons rather than making a 10 line post about how you're not angry

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>>2634791
This.

You do what you can do, but realize that all you can do is all you can do.

I know about a vocaloid producer who killed himself last year at the age of 18/19, but not a drawing artist. One died due to cancer though and it was very sad and mourned on tegakiE

>>2633974
Yea but he fucked himself over. :^)
>>2633957
Only thing left to live for. Now to just wait for Crispr/cas-9 to extend my lifespan so I can enjoy more of it.

Toshinho has a patreon if you want to send him a couple bucks and help him out. Scary shit that you could be that good and still end up on the street. I wonder why he's not working?

https://www.patreon.com/posts/raw-preview-5828159

>>2635285
He might be a piece of shit to work with/be around.

One thing all of you will do well is that there's not really such thing as someone who is so good at something that everyone will put up with any amount of bullshit to keep them around. That kind of stuff only happens in movies. In real life, if the bullshit you bring is enough, your ass will get axed.

I'm not saying you have to suck off everyone you come across, but that it's a bad, bad idea to be just barely tolerated by everyone around you no matter how good you are.

>>2633974
That's actually tragically beautiful, anon. Shame how some people are just not meant to live in our shitty world.

>>2635288
Yeah, the guy almost certainly has issues that have nothing to do with his skill as an artist.

>>2635301
And he might also have some sort of mental problems that lead to social problems. In that case, it is a case where I feel for him, but he could also be an egomanical dickhead.

One thing is for certain: he's highly financially irresponsible. He should have made enough by this point to have enough to ensure at least some humble housing for a few decades.

>Margarit Tsanev - Margo
although his suicide is related to his personal life and not his art

>>2633957
>You won't be alive for full vr porn and who wants to miss that.

Me. I'm still holding onto the hope that the jews haven't completely won yet and that would push me over the edge.

>>2635299
or that the world will try to shape them into a cog.

nice dubs

>>2634345
That's how depression works anon.

People that ACTUALLY have depression CANNOT function normally. Too many little faggot emo teens cutting their wrists for attention diluted the meaning of the word. Just like ADD and OCD. Anyone with any of these mental illnesses suffer for real.

>>2633957
here we have the damn right point, fellas

>>2634768
>cried wolf
This is the dumbest fucking shit you could possibly say about someone that is suicidal.

Guess what faggot, every time you or anyone else talks to her when she "cries wolf" you're saving her life. Sometimes just being there to listen is all it takes to bring someone out of the black. She isn't saying she wants to commit suicide for attention or pity. She is asking for help... pleading in desperation for someone or anything to stop her from dying.

People with severe or chronic depression do not want to die. They are terrified of death as anyone else but they would do anything to end their suffering. Those with true depression are absolutely miserable and hopeless 24/7, 365 days a year no matter how good or bad their life is going. Their brain has malfunctioned in some way that prevents them from feeling any kind of happiness or satisfaction. Their thoughts revolve around guilt, boredom, and all of their failings. The chemicals just aren't there or they aren't being interpreted by their hardware correctly. They can't help it no more than a person handicapped by cerebral palsy.

They do not romanticize death. No one wants to die anon. At the same time... it's a lot of stress to put onto your friends and family so no one will blame you not being able to handle it. Just... saying shit like "crying wolf" is incredibly ignorant.

And trust me.. she knows how much it affects her friends and family as well. She more than likely feels incredibly shitty and guilty putting everyone through her suffering as well.

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i followed leelah alcorn on tumblr before she an hero'd, but she was still hobbyist / beginner tier.

>>2633897
soon :)

>>2633940
>>2633902

ironically edgy af

>>2635368
People who actually want to kill themselves don't tell anyone about it, that's why women "attempt" suicide much more than men but men actually complete it 5 times more. Feigning suicide is an unbelievably retarded and attention whoring method of trying to relieve depression, what that crazy bitch really needs is a jogging routine and some dick.

>>2635384
ok man

>>2635375
>she

>>2635368
>This is the dumbest fucking shit you could possibly say about someone that is suicidal.
Actually, not really.

Yes, you are correct if someone is going to the edge and back again, but you're also entirely incorrect in the case of someone with certain other personality disorders like histrionic PD and often bipolar PD, wherein you're actually just playing their manipulative games (in those cases, it often is a dangerous bit of brinksmanship trying to tell when it's for real or not).

The default position of "take all suicide ideations as real" is a highly conservative position that is not backed up by research. The position is so conservative though because lives literally are at risk. It's like how they teach no-breath CPR these days and how a CPR class will have someone pushing on a very dead body for a long time until medics arrive.

t. clinical psychologist.

>>2635401
Thanks doc

>>2633897
you`re on /ic/
what do you expect?

>>2635427
>implying anyone on 4chan actually knows other hu-man bee-yings in the meatspace

>>2635429
i was actually implying that some people of ic might be so emotionally distrubed that the number of suicidals is above average

>>2635432
>above average

Understatement of the year right here

>>2635434
*way above average
better?

>>2635401
> histrionic PD and often bipolar P
Most people with depression will have other shit as well but you can usually tell when someone is bipolar/sociopath/whatever after knowing them for a few years.

From personal experience the people with honest to god depression either hide it extremely well or you reaaalllyyyy can tell they are depressed just by looking at them. I have known one sociopath in my life and she was the absolute worst person in the world. Her manipulation, lies, and ability to twist the blame onto others was simply amazing. I guess if the person actually believes their own lies they come off very convincing. I don't know if I should hate her or feel bad for her. It's hard to tell if she knows what she was doing or if her mind was honestly that shitty. Either way it was horrible to deal with.

A problem with people dealing with chronic depression is it becomes routine to feel like killing themselves. Sometimes that guilt of making others around them miserable is also what keeps them alive. Knowing their friends and family would miss them or hate them for committing suicide will prevent them from doing it. So when they casually say "I want to kill myself" they aren't lying, looking for attention, or at risk they very moment. It's just what they truly feel but won't go through with it (at that very moment at least) because they don't want to hurt anyone else. That doesn't mean their depression can't suddenly get worse to the point they don't care anymore or convinced themselves that no one would actually miss them or be hurt if they finally did it.

It's a shit situation for everyone involved. Shit sucks. Read more on page 42.

>>2635447
Yup, depression often is comorbid with other disorders, that's a lot of the reason that the default position is a really, really conservative one and why people in general should take the really conservative position. That said, there comes a point where irrespective of how real a person's suicidal impulses are, it's too destructive for the people around them to continue to get involved. Like you said at the end of your post, a shit situation for everyone involved.

Add in how there's different flavors of suicidal behavior. You have the methodical ones who have come to a decision and work to set things up, tie up loose ends, the ones who just hit a major emotional bump (anger, sadness, whatever) and then just take a go impulsively, and all points in between.

If you're talking about someone who is depressed, one of the bigger signs of them possibly actually being suicidal is that they begin to act more happily. This is because they've resolved to invoke an end to their problems. In almost every case though, there is some identifiable change in the individual's behavior, but the problem with that becomes correctly interpreting that change (or even just being around to see it)...and all of this is generalities that doesn't necessarily hold true for specific cases.

People are complicated yo.

I thought Dobson killed himself after he left those depressed messages on twitter then disappeared for a couple months.

>>2634273
he may have mental problems that make him hard to work with. and withp

>>2635392
>edgy

>>2635368
I've got a family member gets into fits and yells about suicide. I don't take it as an actual thing anymore because it has just been used to manipulate with me, to put me in the position of the cruel person, to get them to feel like they are suffering. I put out the flames, talk about it, but whenever I do something they don't approve, I have to deal with it again. While suicide is a serious matter, it's not all the same and if it's their friend, they probably know the situation better than you do.

>>2635484
>I'm pretty sure she's going to kill herself within the next few years. She's already tried so many times and I guess she's just really bad at it
Why do you faggots have such a hard time reading?

Seriously, why?

what you're describing yourself isn't depression. Getting into a fit and yelling is a sign of bi-polar or something else entirely.

>>2635509
I didn't argue about if she's going to do it or not. Maybe I can borrow my faggot-glasses

>>2635384
>People who actually want to kill themselves don't tell anyone about it

This sounds right but isn't. It is possible to be of two minds about something. If you're still alive, part of your mind doesn't actually want to die. That part of you is terrified about what you're planning and it will try to get help in whatever way it can, even if the signs it can give are very limited.

I'm a well known artist. You could say I made it. I will kill myself next week.
Add me on kik if you want to be cool and reply "YES!" to this thread.

soonDedArtiste

Retired online artist

And I'll probably retire from life in the future

>>2635307
>Decade old "established' concept artist.
> Did alot of great projects under his name.
> No company wants to be associated with him.

I think it's fair to say that the art industry, wherever you go, is pretty small. So if words came around that you're a cunt to work with, people will avoid you like a plague.

>>2634265
Kek this is actually how I imagine my life will turn out in a years time. I'm actually alright with it (right now). I'm sort of afraid to check out his social media to see just how bad it is.

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Anyone have any cute crossover art like this?

>>2635737
Fuck, forgot I was lurking in this thread. Ignore this.

my dad

>>2635741
before or after you got into art

>>2633913
>minus8
wait what

>>2633897
this is obviously an attention whore on tumblr that wants people to praise their ass all day.

>>2635269
Powapowa-p for the suicide, and Samfree for cancer right?
Honestly, I was more shocked at Samfree's death. His songs is what got me into vocaloid to begin with.

;__; i'll just go and cry while listening to luka luka night fever, now.

>>2636201
Not trying to downplay Samfree but Sora no Sakana is easily in my Vocaloid Top 10:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqtCFvaBi5Y

>>2636208
Never heard this before, thanks for sharing

>>2633897
Monty Oum is another one. Not a visual artist but an animator for Rooster Teeth

>>2635368
>people who have chronic depression are terrified of death
[Citation needed]
I mean maybe you feel that way but don't assume for everybody

>>2633957
you won't be alive for CRISPR either

so what? artists usually kill themselves after realizing people only kiss their ass as a thumb rule in society and forgot to tip or care about them right after.

the only way to make them truly care about you is by feigning depression, thus the post in the OP, in which believe it or not, eventually becomes the truth.

the lie you told yourself eventually becomes reality, all this just for some attention and support

>>2635320

Bad goy! traditional values are racist and sexist, if you're not at least going to sire children with a nice Syrian refugee girl then you should consider MGTOW and investing in an oculus rift.

>>2633897
Hitler

>>2633897
didnt nile kill himself?

>>2635752
i was because of him and after it happened i put it away it was a guilty passion until recently Ive just accepted its the course I need to take my life. For him, but mostly for myself

>>2636375
i think he disassociate himself with this place, deleted his tumblr and made a dA with a new name or something
he said he plans to catch up with kids around his age, Ztoons etc and /ic/ is really fucking him up

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>>2636102
Dude said he regretted ever being born and deleted all his shit

Hes either going through a phase or offed himself

>>2633902
wuw anon u so edgy

>>2633897
She stepped in front of a car.

I would have married her.

>>2636209
> Buying cat for his wife not knowing he's allergic to it.

Monty died for her happiness.

>>2636542
What letter does her name start with?

>>2636551
H.
why?

>>2636552
It was a long shot, but I thought it could be someone I knew. It's not though.

>>2636554
I see.
well, carry on.

>>2636375
Nile is chilling in the ic discord so im guessing he didn't

>>2633897
Good.

Less competition.

>>2633974
fake as fuck

>>2637290
I'm glad there's someone who sees it how i do here.

>>2635719
It's not really that bad honestly, he seems to have some sort of mental disability. The other day he uploaded a photo of a park bench an said that this was going to be his new workspace during the morning and im ashamed to admit that i laughed, but it's endearing to see a homeless man that's worries more about doing his art than about sheltering himself, hope he'll find somewhere to go on winter.
His work is still pretty neat so >>2635683
Is probably right. He might even have a drug addiction problem

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Dowman Sayman.

Such amazing story teller and mangaka doesnt deserve such way to go. It still stings my heart

>>2637400
wat he's not dead

>>2637406
anon.. I..

>>2637420
he tweeted 8 hours ago..

>>2637379
What does that say about me who has no problem and will perhaps purposefully put myself into that position?

>>2633957
Implying it won't be hijacked by feminists like every other form of neet nerd entertainment.

>>2637831
Why is it that nerdy hobbies almost always get invaded by feminists these days any way

Toshinho seems to have some weird idea about concept art? 'Visual Concept'... you make a 'universe' for a narrative that only exists in concept art? And then entire interaction with the medium is through concept art? Like... instead of a book or game, it's just artwork. Is he just missing the point of concept art, or is something being lost in translation? Does he not know what a comic book is? I don't understand what he's talking about.

>>2636471
You best be memeing me, I can't fap to the porn of a dead man

>>2637858
He's a bit crazy, don't worry about it

>>2637839

Most 'nerds' are spineless and will fall for any guilt-inducing rhetoric if they think it will give them social approval

>>2636375
>>2636380
Who the hell is Nile? Got any links?

My cousin. She was only 21. Her tumblr and deviantart are still there, so I wonder if her followers just think she outgrew art. I've been trying to piece together what happened from her blogs the year before, but I don't know.

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>>2637870

>>2638588
Was she good? Post her tumblr

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>>2638380
Basically he was a tripfag who got "famous" for being 17 and a bit better than some /ic/ posters. On top of that he became a meme in the LAS community for dropping out of it several times.
Then he got sick of it and deleted his tumblr saying that his name Nile was dead and that he would never use it again.

>>2633897
can you tell the original person it's "thing"

>>2634367
he didnt kill himself he got shot by a kid and lied.

>>2638606
Hes korean
koreans commit suicide like crazy
no2 in global ranking

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>>2638606
>why are you interested in having me
i feel you brother.

>>2635368
>>2636233
>>2636233
This. I don't know if I had true depression or not but for a very long time I was in a bad place. What with some of my family getting outright murdered and when you're that down you start to think very poorly of yourself. You don't deserve having friends to talk to. Your'e useless. Your death won't affect anyone or have any impact. People would probably not even find out that you're dead but if they, they'll "act" surprised to not look bad.

I planned my suicide a lot and not once wanted to tell anyone.

>>2635368
>People with severe or chronic depression do not want to die
all the other points you're making here are solid but this marks you as a dipshit pussiboi talking outta your meathole

>>2635392
Ooo 3edgy5me

>>2635375
We're not on tumblr. That's a guy.

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>>2640915

>>2640946
>hurr im retarded
Okay, anon.

>>2640946
keep coping faggot. denying reality doesn't change facts

>>2633904
What was the joke of the comic?

>>2640966
?
>>2640974
??

>>2640915
Funny, that's the exact attitude that drove her to kill herself.

>>2641003
people not taking me seriously isnt a reason for me to kill myself

>>2641003
him*

>>2641008
Combined with depression it might be. I don't really remember the circumstances but didn't her parents try to put her through conversion therapy or something? Don't you think that kind of constant questioning of your identity might take it's toll on your mental health?

>>2641010
*her

>>2641017
whoops anon, i just read the wiki page of that person. now that i have more context, i feel like a total asshole. im sorry, i shouldnt assume things before knowing what was actually going on.

>>2641032
Hah, don't feel like an asshole, we all make assumptions. I mean, I assumed you were just being a typical edgelord.

>>2641044
thank you for your understanding.

>>2640827
If they did want to die they'd do it, silly. Suicidal people aren't afraid of death, rather the process of dying when you have to take the step and bare the weight of knowing how your parents, friends and relatives love and believe in you and you hurt them by this in return.

I always think that i will end up killing myself.
I don't have any parents or relatives except my grandmother. My mother died few months ago. I lost most of contacts and some normies dont talk to me anymore because i became even more depressive.
This "art makes me alive" meme don't work as good as it worked before. At this point im just drawing and having some cheap comissions and getting back to drawing and i don't mind killing myself in future.
The only thing that scares me - what happens to all my stuff and this place. I live in a very small town where we dont even have cinema. Nobody knows about me and when i die and people will break this door they probably gonna steal all my stuff. I will not care about that of course but still this makes me sad. I wish at least mother was alive to make my world less pathetic.

>>2641533
If you at some point 100% decide to take the step, you could sell all your shit and send the money to people you care about.
However I think it'd be better for you to realize that depression is just chemicals fucking with your brain, it's not permanent nor is it who you are. Sleep, eat and exercise regularly and with art - try to improve the old fashioned way, be a little better every day. A sense of achievement is important for your mental health.

>>2635375
Please explain why this guy is called a girl, i'm not understanding any of this.

>>2641540
>to people you care about.
those are very few people that i know in the internet. And they live in other countries...
However i did thought about sending my collectable figures to them because some of them are quite rare. Or my artbooks.
> Sleep, eat and exercise regularly
i know that...been there many times.
>A sense of achievement is important for your mental health.
yes this what keeps me going. It still feels like an adventure.
Still im very afraid to live alone. I want to die before i will be 40lvl lonely person that never comes out of his apartament. Time will go on, people i know will achieve their goals, have families and live a sucessful lives while nothing will change here in a dead end.
Im thinking about moving to a better place but that's very expensive.

>>2637420
I have seen his twitter ghost, he says: chinchong yingyang
twitter.com/dowmansayman

>>2641545
He identified as a woman, so some people accept that and refer to him as such

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"we cannot be more sensitive to pleasure without being more sensitive to pain."

-Alan Watts

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>>2641551
Dude, fuck it. You want to die anyway, so what's some money really gonna hurt? Move to a better town where you could at least have a theatre to go to now and then and just see what happens, you literally have nothing to lose except your figurines which you will lose anyway (to an apartment manager of all things too) if you kill yourself and stay in bumfuck nowhere

>>2640946
stating the truth is now edgy

>>2640915
Unless he has a feminine penis

>>2641771
you are right. i will think about it.

>>2640879
>>2635477
What the fuck is this place turning into

>>2641058
did you read your own post? you started out with
>If they did want to die they'd do it
and then went on to explain why someone who wants to die would have apprehensions about killing themselves

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>>2642056
I'm glad, please consider it

>>2642065
go back to /b/ cis scum

>>2641642
Female please leave

>>2640977
The main character used a plastic bag and a tank of helium to kill himself, but he ends up floating up to the ceiling, getting very annoyed.

Looks like it's been stripped from internet; can't find it now.

I think it may have been the way he actually killed himself though.

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>>2642056
If I were to kill myself, I'd probably give my cash to some freelance artists, just to make their day.
Fuck it, who cares what happens with this world and all its shekels.

If you've been exercising regularly many times, it means you didn't do it regularly. Bringing a schedule (and with it more order) into your life can help with that sense of achievement.

Think about it this way
>you're here
>and you're gonna die
Now you can either live for a few years (decades?) or die straight away. You're gonna die either way, but those few years are a bonus, an opportunity to watch the sunset, listen to music, try a new restaurant or literally fuck a person or two. If there aren't people depending on you, none of it matters, you're free to eat/fuck anything this world has to offer. It's just a game.

>>2641003
That isn't funny at all. He probably killed himself because he had an entire online community entertaining his delusions and trying to normalize his mental illness instead of telling him to seek mental help

>>2642189
This way of thinking really helped me when i was in a bad point of my life

>>2642197
Bruh. Trans people, gays or pedophiles are all deviations from the norm, but as long as they don't hurt anyone (the first two) and the alternative is forcing them into denying their sense of identity, why not just let them be?

My physics teacher fully transitioned to a man and you couldn't tell he's not a natural guy, he's happy and confident and teaches physics damn well, so what's the problem?

>>2642206
People with gender dysphoria attempt suicide at 9 times higher rates than the general population and the special snowflake movement isn't helping them at all. They are a threat to themselves and they need professional help. They will never be content otherwise because they believe themselves to be something that they're not.

>>2641533
I would consider trying to move and go somewhere else. Even if you don't really have the money for it or its difficult. When you're in a situation like that with nothing and no one left sometimes it's best to sell all your shit and start a new life. If you're planning on killing yourself anyway you won't have anything to lose, so may as well get out of that town and try a life somewhere else

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>>2642206
Forgot pic btw

>>2642224
You realize treatment for gender dysphoria is usually to help that person transition and live as they actually feel right? That is the professional help.
You're speaking as if any real professional would make them live as their biological sex and that's what would fix the issue.
People have tried that for years and you just end up with more suicides.

>>2642276
>You realize treatment for gender dysphoria is usually to help that person transition and live as they actually feel right?

Yes I do, and so far it's been a disaster.

>People have tried that for years and you just end up with more suicides.

It can't be any worse than it is right now

>>2642276
also

>You're speaking as if any real professional would make them live as their biological sex and that's what would fix the issue.

Here's what a non-quack doctor would do:

>Studies have shown that 50-70% of individuals with gender dysphoria may have symptoms of depression, anxiety, or psychosis and may be of histrionic (hysteric), borderline, antisocial or schizoid (schizophrenia like) personalities.

>These patients may need therapy for depression (antidepressants), anxiety (anxiolytics) or frank psychosis (antipsychotics).

This is the root of the problem, mental illness. Body mutilation as a means of entertaining delusions isn't helping to settle down those suicide rates.

>>2633897
Yes I did. His work was mostly abstract. He was a pretty emotionally unstable guy. He had a 3 year old son and one day his ex took custody of his child so he drove his motorcycle head first into traffic. I really miss him tbqh.

>>2642189
Lurker here, saved thx anon

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>>2642189
>If there aren't people depending on you

but anon, there ARE people depending on you.

>>2642224
How tf can someone not realize that the primary cause for high suicide rates among trans people is the horrible way they're treated by the general public, especially with people constantly invalidating their personal identities.

>>2642302
There have also been studies showing that even before any sort of reassignment treatment, the physical structure of the brains of trans people are often much closer to those of their reassigned gender rather than their birth gender. (e.g. thinner subcortical areas in the brains of MtF trans people)

>>2633904
>>2633931
Was just about to post that I spoke to him a few times and I still think about him every now and then.
I read it was an accidental overdose but he did seem to grow more suicidal towards the end.

No but I know of some that got killed.

Jesus fuck, why is the trans drama so damn pervasive on this website? Why do you care so much?

All of you that are so obstinately against transitioning clearly have no idea what gender dysphoria feels like. It's revolting to have the sense that your body is somehow wrong, and to have that constantly reinforced by the way you're treated every day. You can't look at yourself in the mirror, you can't masturbate, you can't even talk without being disgusted at yourself. If you want some anecdotal evidence, I went from being a suicidal wreck to actually having my shit together after transitioning (taking hormones and getting top surgery). I used to be hyper-aware of my body and now it's just there, I barely even think about being trans anymore, I'm just a normal guy. I even have a happy sex life, which is something I could never have imagined being possible. My life isn't all puppies and rainbows, but it's like I got a huge obstacle out of my life that allowed me to actually focus on my development as a person.

This isn't an unusual experience, I'd encourage you to look at accounts from actual transgender people. But feel free to carry on ignoring mine and countless others' experiences to fit your own warped narrative.

>>2642302
Yes, comorbidity of gender dysphoria and other mental illnesses does tend to occur, it's not hard to imagine that being fundamentally disgusted by your body might exacerbate mental illnesses like depression, and vice versa, that's obvious. Doesn't mean we shouldn't treat them as separate issues. This so called 'body mutilation' is designed to alleviate the dysphoria, which might hopefully alleviate the other symptoms, but ultimately they're separate issues.

Anyway, y'all should go spend some more time drawing instead of worrying about what consenting individuals do to their own bodies, you'll feel better, I promise.

>>2642602
fight me, gesture battle.

>>2642602
And one day we might be able to treat or understand these imbalances in the brain. Its dubious if homosexuality is "Natural" within the animal kingdom. However, Transsexuals certainly aren't.
There's little being done in the field of mental health for people suffering from body dysphoria, its almost taboo. Especially after its classification as a mental disorder changed.

This is a subject more relevant on /pol/ than it is on /ic/.
Albeit on the subject of artist suicide-- its important to note that transitioning doesn't help out all that much with suicide rates. Probably because its a permanent solution to what might one day be temporary (like lobotomies where).

>>2642605
I don't know this meme

>>2642628
>And one day we might be able to treat or understand these imbalances in the brain
Perhaps, but since the brain is pretty difficult to change, physical transition is currently the most viable option. Maybe in the future people will have both options, but I have to wonder how many people would be comfortable with changing their brains in that fashion, considering that the brain is where our sense of identity stems from. I certainly wouldn't be.

>There's little being done in the field of mental health for people suffering from body dysphoria
What makes you say this? People have to go through extensive counseling before they're allowed hormones/surgery etc. I would say there's less taboo since transgender issues have been brought into the public eye.

Also why do you say that transitioning doesn't help out with suicide rates?

I agree that it's not a relevant topic here (though I don't know why you would go to /pol/ for any sort of intelligent discourse about trans people), but since it was brought up, I felt the need to add my own two cents.

>>2642659
I feel the same way, Im not a fan of such prescriptions.
However, understand that not everyone feels the same. Mind altering drugs do have a purpose, before their conception lobotomies were the norm for treating debilitating mental illnesses.
Perhaps the best hope is preventive care in the form of gene therapy in infancy... which could be equally dystopian.

>I would say there's less taboo since transgender issues have been brought into the public eye.
You'd be wrong. No matter how you word it, changing the body to conform to the mind is backwards as a treatment.
Medically the view of Gender dysphoria as a dysfunction is changing. I could be a taboo to consider it as such.

>Also why do you say that transitioning doesn't help out with suicide rates?
Suicide attempt rates are still as staggering as they were before.
(maybe transsexuals will now commit suicide 6 times as much as the general population compared to the 8 of yesteryear)

>>2642302
>schizoid (schizophrenia like)
>histrionic (hysteric)

Confirmed for retarded faggot.

>>2642692
>lobotomies
>"treating" anything

Kek, they just made the the crazies easier to deal with. Being lobotomies was horrible

>>2642697
Good eye.
I guess Schizoid *is* the slang for someone who is schizophrenic ( as well as "Schizo"). But theres no way a journalist could confuse the two unless hes writing for Buzzfeed, the huffington post or an Alt-Right Tabloid.
>>2642703
No shit.
But then >>2642659 said
>"but I have to wonder how many people would be comfortable with changing their brains in that fashion, considering that the brain is where our sense of identity stems from. I certainly wouldn't be."

Back then it was either get a lobotomy or live out the rest of your days in a padded cell ( albeit normally you weren't given a choice) One anon might be hesitant and another will literally chop off half his brain.
I think the same goes for today. One anon will cut off his balls and invert his penis into a "vagina" and another anon will be comfortable with taking mind altering pills for the rest of his life.

I guess it really just depends on your religious and philosophical beliefs.

It really just depends

>>2642713
an word or too

>>2642605
set up the google hangout maggot

>>2642692
How is it backwards to change the body? I mean, attempts to change the mind have failed in the past (see: conversion therapy - which incidentally was part of the reason leelah committed suicide), and this is the best we've come up with thus far. Surgically or hormonally altering the body is also nowhere near as drastic as lobotomies - we do it all the time to treat things like cancer. Not every trans person gets surgery either. I'm personally not planning on getting a dick any time soon - the current options and recovery don't appeal to me.

If drugs are invented to treat gender dysphoria, then I think that's fantastic for those who want them (like you say here, it should be a personal choice >>2642713), but I really don't think changing the body is more or less drastic than any other routine surgery performed these days.

>maybe transsexuals will now commit suicide 6 times as much as the general population compared to the 8 of yesteryear

Where'd you get these statistics? I'd say any improvement is worthwhile. Again, I would have killed myself if I hadn't been able to transition. I nearly did.

>>2642779
>Where'd you get these statistics? I'd say any improvement is worthwhile. Again, I would have killed myself if I hadn't been able to transition. I nearly did.
Commit is the wrong word. My bad. I should have said attempted. The data is from the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.
>conversion therapy
Theres no reason to believe that Gender Dysphoria is simply sociological.. There could be some genetic or otherwise more fundamental element involved that we are unaware of. Its impossible for conversion therapy to treat such a condition. Just as you cannot talk, torture or convince a Schizophrenic out of hearing voices.

Neither option is good, rather It would be far better if such mental illnesses didn't exist (prevented from existing). Or even if we could treat these disorders through non-drastic means.
None of this is far fetched but it would be here sooner if society wasn't placing hindrances on the research of other treatments.

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smells like /pol/ up in here

>>2642713
>schizoid is slang for schizophrenia

Open up a DSM-V, faggot.

>>2642807
>Theres no reason to believe that Gender Dysphoria is simply sociological
Well yeah, I agree, I'm not too sure what we're arguing about. And obviously it would be great if these conditions never existed, but unfortunately they do. And just like cancer, the best solution is getting rid of the offending parts. Of course we might make scientific breakthroughs in the future, I don't see what hindrances society is placing on research. I just think it's important that transgender people can have their identity legitimized/destigmatized and have access to treatment - this is what's really vital as far as suicide prevention/minimization goes.

>>2642541

Other mistreated minorities don't have high suicide rates as Trans people. I
No one sees BLM being as a suicide cult for blacks.

>>2642830
>BLM is about people trying to save worthless black life
>questions why they're not suicidal

kek, retard.

>>2642537
ty for the screenshot

have a (you)

>>2642189
>>2642537
If I were to kill myself, I'd probably give my cash to some freelance artists, just to make their day.

just give them to future you

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I've been extreme depression, anxiety, anger for the last 3 or 4 months. Seems to be getting a little better now that college is starting back up but we'll see. I can't get on antidepressants because they think I could be bipolar. I've been very suicidal and I've generally told people because I really am scared to die. I have this one painting that's basically kept me alive and I honestly think that. I painted it my freshman year and I don't know why I did, I regret it. I had no clue what it was about when I painted it, I thought it was about the housing market crash or something. It's of my parents but they were meant to play a role of other people at the time I painted it. But yeah it's become almost like a prophecy of my suicide that I can't let happen. Multiple times I've tried to burn it when I get suicidal because I won't leave it behind if I off myself, it’s a disgusting image. Basically before I would do it I'd have to burn that painting first. Hopefully that doesn't happen. This probably sounds crazy af.

>>2635384
My best friend told me before he committed suicide. Didn't believe him, found out the next day through a text message and phone conversation with him mom. That tell no one thing is B.S. Still feel like shit since I was the last person he ever spoke to and I didn't take it serious since I figured he was just being "emo", Hard lesson.

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Pretty sure Anti-Honey killed themselves. Pretty sure I will one day but who knows.

>>2638606

Sounds like my ex

>>2635368
You are so full of shit it's not even funny.

>>2643244
Actually, that full of shit description is pretty accurate.

>>2642911
That painting is very well done, it's creepy and unsettling to begin with and even more so with context. I can see why you might form a negative attachment to it. Anyway, I hope you find peace with it and yourself somehow, and can move on with your life.

>>2633897
>an artist that killed themselves

I hear that that is a good career move.

>>2642911

The painting is your "Gloomy Sunday".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloomy_Sunday

I knew this guy in high school that I really looked up to. He was a master at surreal art and if you asked him to draw realism, he'd smash that paper like it was nothing. He was a loner and no one really talked to him. I didn't say much other than about his work. He hung himself after he graduated

>>2642890

the way to go is take out as many loans as you can, buy shittons of bitcoin, and send those to wallets you made for friends/family.

then you kill yourself.