/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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WE

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b/w edition

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Are these figure drawings any good?
Are there any critical errors?

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>>2629929
Also, I just drew this using the information I've learned from figure drawing so far.

This is so awesome. I didn't know it was this easy to draw people. I've never drawn anything this fluid from imagination before.

I'm glad I decided to say fuck the Loomis book and start figure drawing with Proko.

>>2629899
Someone repost this man, I wanna try my hand at him.

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>>2629929
Are they gestures?

Are they figures?

These terms are occasionally used interchangeably but gesture is the specific concept of capturing the story of a pose in such a way that lines direct the viewer's eye smoothly from each aspect of the pose to the next. These seem like gestures from someone who doesn't know how to execute properly.

You are focusing a little too much on the contour of the pose, and it shows. Draw looser and don't be afraid to make mistakes because they won't matter.

You chickenscratch like a bitch. Be confident in your lines.

Having actual anatomy knowledge would make your things look more appealing and correct.

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>>2629935
They're gestures.
Thank you for telling me to draw looser though. I'm comparing what you're posting to my drawings, and I see what you mean. There's a definite rigidness from form to form in my gestures. In the Proko video, he calls it exaggeration, but I'm still trying to get better at that through experience.

I've noticed that I need to stop chicken scratching as well. I'm starting to believe that a nice, decisive line is always going to trump a hundred thoughtless ones.

I don't know if I should learn more anatomical knowledge though. I thought gestures are the prerequisite to that.

What do you mean by improper execution though? Is it a lack of experience, or is it a fundamental flaw in my thought process?

I still feel a bit lost despite watching videos on Youtube. I'm correcting this by comparing my gestures with professionals though.

>>2629942
When I said improper execution, I meant the notion of what gestures are wasn't connecting in your head.

Keep at it though. Glad to see you're back on the art grind.

How do you make digital lineart look better than the original sketch?

>>2629964
You practice your lines and line weight.

Check this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>2630037
what is going on with that thigh my man

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how do we use line art on the human body correctly? Where do we make thick/thin lines?

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>>2629911
an attempt was made

>>2630099
This is fantastic. Thank you

test

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guy in a chair

I'm trying to go through Keys to Drawing but it's really fucking hard for me. Is there anything I can do before jumping into that? Are there any good video lectures for complete beginners?

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>>2629913
An "attempt" was "made".

Is Sycra good, specifically his tutorial for beginners? It's recommended in the sticky but all I see in the archives are people calling him compllete shit.

>>2630179
Why don't you watch some and decide for yourself if you like his stuff or not

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i didnt finish the hands because i cant

>>2630204
I..I like it!

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should I add more contrast to the face and maybe deviate from the reference?

Can anyone of you dudes hook me up with a armor ref folder?

>>2630235
buddy, friend, senpai
take a close look at the distances and proportions in the original drawing
the hair at the top is shorter, the distance between the jaw and the end of the neck, the back of the head
dont try to "fix" the original reference
actually closely try to stick to it

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>>2629911
>>2629912
How can I into likeness?

Hello guys! I have a question. At what point do you stop being a beginner and move into being intermediate? What objective qualities does your work need to be considered not "beginner" anymore?

>>2630278
When the draw thread stops sending you back here, obviously

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>>2629911
WIP. Currently trying this. I'll try to continue after work.

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bottom face was photo referenced. crit?

>>2630287
symbol drawing

>>2629576
Reposting

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>>2629911
Trying to get back into it after not drawing for 2 months. Im already tilting....

So I've been doing those exercises drawing Dynamic Sketching by Peter Han as of late. But based on youtube and his website, the vids I'm using are rather old. To anyone else who uses them, are they still effective? Anyone got access to more up to date versions of that series?

>>2630463
>rather old
dude, people are still reading books here that were written 100 years ago

>>2630287
Ears and eyes too big, hairline goes back too far, edge of beard should not be a clean line. Other anon mentioning symbol drawing is correct in this case.

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my digital anatomy studies are still shit

>>2630501
>>2629907
this was with this ref

>>2630037
has she been hobbled? otherwise mutant feet

>>2630264
measure the proportions. all the extra construction lines are absolutely useless unless you measure.

>>2630501
her torso is too wide

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Hi lad, is my drawing good? I've spent the past week trying to perfect it.

>>2630517
10/10 you master

>>2630517
I can clearly see the hours of passionate work that went into this masterpiece.

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>>2629907
Not sure where to go next with this, my rendering seems really chunky. Should I try some soft brushes?

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>>2629912

>>2630517
blog??

>>2630574
You can use blend tool or something to smoothen soft round surfaces.

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Something seems to be off. No idea what.

>>2630638
Eyes aren't centered and the one on the right is too far out. With the other exaggerated proportions like the mouth and nose I'd make them a little bigger too if you don't want her to look like a downy

Just droppin' some feedback - take with obligatory grains/buckets of salt etcetera etcetera:

>>2630124
A really nice attempt at that

(ps I googled feverworm out of curiosity & stalked your blog and I'm in love with your use of colours and your style in general)

>>2630151
That chair is sloping towards the viewer at an angle it shouldn't be - he's about to flop onto the floor! As for the figure, a lot of the individual elements are nicely done, but they don't quite feel connected - e.g. the right foot is out of perspective with the leg. Maybe some gesture practice would help you to unify the different parts and ground your figures a little more.

>>2630292
Ay I really like that scritchy scratchy style you have going on there, bet it would look even better if you tightened up them lines a little; bit more confidence, yada yada yada. Nice job on making them recogniseable from different angles.

>>2630235
Firstly, good job on capturing a likeness! Proportionally, though, it's quite off. I'm no expert but I'd be happy to try my hand at a redline later if you like, maybe help you see where you're misrepresenting certain features... like morrisey's chin - it's not really as large and blunt as you've drawn it, pretty sharp and stabby actually.

>>2630377
You constructing the face before your draw it? I ask because the individual elements are pretty swell (I like that mouth), but they all seem positioned without regard for the structure of the face, making it look a little haphazard and untrue to the reference... pay closer attention to where every part of his face is in relation to each other. Fix that and you'll have a really nice drawing on your hands.

>>2630623
It's looks like you're going over the same lines a lot, maybe try considering each stroke of the pencil more carefully before you place it - this'll get rid of the clutter in your drawings and you might get a closer likeness. (also don't forget to practice construction) Keep it up anon!

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Here's my practice for the day, took a crack at ol' beardy from the last thread

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>>2630724
How am I doing? I'm new to the medium, does anyone know a good way to start applying more prominent forms to this?

>>2630697
Noice. And cool beardy

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How long do you think it took me to reach this level since my first serious drawing?

I'm kinda proud of the result.

>>2630742
Thank ya!

>>2630755
Cute! Looks like Max caulfield actually - is it meant to be her? If ya want a little advice: don't be afraid to push your values - darker darks and lighter lights & be careful to avoid symbol drawing the eyes.

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reposting so i can get feedback

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here's the original

>>2630762
Thanks!
Considering I started drawing two days ago and this is my second piece, I really feel happy that you recognized Maxine!

I already had this advice, I'm scared to ruin the drawing by pushing the darks, I guess I just have to practise. It's already better than the first drawing.

Also having issues with the eyes, especially iris & pupil, I find it the hardest part.

>>2630697
I like the hair, unsure about the beard, seems a bit detatched from the rest.

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>>2629905
Could I get some feedback on this?

>>2630791
That's pretty impressive for two days anon! If I may offer another piece of advice, I know it's easy to get attached to one, but don't get precious with your drawings - make many many many drawings without stressing about ruining them by trying new things, that mileage is what will really develop and reinforce your skills. I'll look forward to seeing you post more stuff here...

(btw I agree about the beard, I hate beards, never know what the fuck to do with them)

>>2630819
Thanks, I'm extremely attached to my first works, especially since they're from Life is Strange!
I'm starting a new drawing right now, it's going to be another sleep-deprived night I guess.
I'll try to put more force onto the pencil... and deal with the damn eyes.

About the beard, what if you just scaled down the hair?
I mean, it's just hair... smaller, thicker, and in a different place!

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>>2630818
Looks good so far although I think you tilted the incline too much, and the lower guy's legs seem a little wonky.

n krita is there a way to select everything but your drawing and creating a black background?

>>2630157
Drawabox

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So I'm starting the Drawbox course by training my precision and holy shit I'm terrible. I'm not a total beginner, I'm at least past symbol drawing but I'm doing this exercises for three days and it looks really bad. Is it normal for begginners or am I doing something wrong? There is some way I should keep my arm, pen and shoulder?

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>>2630912
This is the ellipses exercise, it looks very bad

>>2630912
I'm not totally sure...
but digital is harder in this respect. It's much easier to get consistent lines and good movement when working directly with pencil to paper, as opposed to pen to tablet to monitor.
Try doing some on paper.
I never got great at doing that stuff digital, but I was surprised to see I wasn't too bad when I tried doing it on paper.

>>2630925
I tried doing the same exercise on paper and it looks almost the same. Usually it's the same for me though, my paper drawings looks way better than my digital shit, but that's why I want to get better drawing on a tablet

>>2630124
oh shit i've followed you on tumblr for years noe, never thought i'd see you in this shit hole

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whats a good loomis book to start with?

fun with pencil was too advanced for me

>>2630944
pretty sure fun with a pencil is the bottom rung for loomis
there's also that relatively new, posthumously published loomis book from 2014, called "i'd love to draw" or something. pretty sure that's a beginner book but i have no idea what it's like
maybe try keys to drawing or drawing on the right side of the brain

>>2630333
Please explain how to stop this?
>>2630489
Ok, I'll try fixing this. But again, please tell me how to stop " symbol drawing". I honestly don't understand this anymore.

>>2630912
>>2630915
please do those on paper

>>2630980
About the symbol drawing, my understanding of it as someone who started drawing two days ago, is that you have to stop thinking of a whole object like an eye and draw it, just focus on each line until you get a complete object, without a preset in mind.

I find it really hard when starting on a blank piece of paper, but it's easy if you just draw a line and build around it, you can still fix it in a second later on!

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>>2629911
What's going on? Is it the eyes?

>>2630986
symbols

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how do I draw like this?

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Help me with eyes/hips
doesn't help I'm practicing drawing hips with Miss Snu snu over here.

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>>2631002
Redraw the eyebrows and use them as a reference to make sure you get the eyes expression right.

>>2631007
Duly noted.
Any crit on the face as a whole or the body?

>>2631002
>>2631002
If you're trying to do a realistic study: the torso is too thin, legs don't extend down that far, there's way too much waist exposed between the bra and underwear, underwear should be more angled, face is too small, eyes are too big, nose is shit, lips are angled the wrong way

If you're trying to draw anime off of a ref: ehhhh

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>>2631010
I don't know how to not go the "anime route". I'm trying to applying line weight and what not and trying to show the eye lids aren't flat and wrap around the eyeball but it comes off as wrong alot. But I won't lie I do like and watch anime.

>>2631012
Things like line weight aren't a big issue here. You're just over stylizing everything and drawing what you think you see, not what you actually see. You can't even see the eyelashes in the ref yet you drew them in your picture.

The main anime look is coming from the eyes being too big and the eyebrows being over stylized. Try to pay more attention to the differences between your drawing and the reference, especially bodily proportions and the length relationships between different parts of the body (i.e. the amount of space between the bra and the underwear on her right side is about equal to the length of her nose).

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The rendering is still shit, anyone got digital rendering tutorials using hard brushes?

>>2631029
It's more or less a bad habit thing on my side, I throw all sense of spacial reasoning when I can lower the opacity and eye ball it thinking this can go here and so on. The stlyization is more or less just my eagerness to find my style.

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>>2631012
really compare your angles with the one in the ref. it could be helpful to take the picture, and trace over it in a really simple way. compare those lines to yours, make different sorts of measurements and compare it to yours. on different levels too: sometimes small and close up like this eye, or sometimes trace and compare the larger, basic body proportions

>>2630985
So I guess you're saying I should just "draw what I see" instead of "outline it with familiar shapes" or am I wrong? I don't know.

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>>2631048
Talking the face, I want to finish something before I go to bed. Also fucked up her left arm and went back to tweek it.

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face practice. please critique

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>>2629935
I switched to 1 minute gestures, and I've also tried to loosen them.

I'll try to get it down in one stroke next time.

Do these look any better than my other ones?

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>>2631122
Also here are some more. I got frustrated and made a new layer.

>>2631125
These are like a minute 30 though.
I'm hoping to attain that in 1 minute sketches though.

>>2631082
>perfectish circle
>divide in half that is your brow line (keep persp in mind, the combo of this and the centerline should give off vibe of the direction the face is looking)
>in the middle of the brow and the top of the sphere, +10% or so closer to the top, is the hairline.
>hairline and brow is a third, now that same distance moves down and becomes the brow to the nose
>move that third down, thats the chin. You now have 3 equal spaced thirds, the bottom of which is respectively the brow, the nose and the chin


Every time.

It looks great man, keep it up, just seems like those proportions are what you need. The one on the bottom left that has the writing under it is really legit.

>>2631036
Right, I hope you're taking the advice to heart then. Your updated eye is still pretty off even though other anon basically gave you an exact roadmap of the accurate eye

>>2631136
>roadmap
I thought it was his style or something
should I always make eyes look like that
I don't even know anymore.

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>>2629899

>>2630010

So jelly...

>>2630724

I have no idea wtf I am doing, never rendered or colored like this, this is what I have so far, not a damn clue what I am doing, halp.

>>2631122
>>2631125
way too many lines that could have either been omitted or done in a single, fluid stroke

i hope you're studying anatomy on top of this so your proportions will start to get better

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>>2631077
Sorry for the late reply.
Yes, precisely. If you're unsure about a line, draw it softly and smoothen it with a finger.
It kicked in into me at random one night three days ago, and now I just finished this (note that I started drawing three days ago, this is my third drawing, from a reference image).
I literally could barely draw straight stickmen.

>>2630819
To you as well, who hoped to see more of my stuff.

>>2631149
Your value range is wrong, anon. Toning your canvas before painting would help with this. Start with your darkest values and build it up instead of working specific areas at time, that should give you a more complete picture of the painting earlier on. If you're unsure you can always color pick and compare, just don't get too reliant on it.

>>2631178

Toning your canvas, I am unfamiliar with that term, please elaborate?

My value range, so basically like the 9 value gray scale/table from darkest to lightest but in color form?

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Drawing a collage of stuff that I like

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>>2631149
have you done value studies before? if not you should try some, going straight into color is a lot harder. but you're doing okay.
start larger, start with the broad strokes. simplify the value shapes as much as you can, and work in passes. first pass, very rough, fill out the whole figure with rough color, next pass, refine and add smaller shapes, next pass refine and do smaller shapes, and so on. it's easier and more manageable to work this way, rather than making small strokes and trying to capture little color differences from the beginning throughout. build up to those details. like building a pyramid, starting with a broad base and slowly move up to the fine tip. see my pic for basically what i mean. (by the way my pic is NOT genuinely painted, just made it to demonstrate)
you should also color your canvas the same color as the background in your ref, it'll make it a lot easier to compare color by eye.

>>2631186

Thank you.

No, I have not done really any value studies other than half assed attempts at the 9 value scale and then onto chromatic value stuff with color which both were really half assed. What studies would you recommend starting off with or focusing on?

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>>2631165
Thanks for the critic.
Is this better?

I've decided to stop stressing out over the time constraint, and to really analyze what I'm looking at.

>>2631167
Thanks. I'll see what I can do then to do better next time. I'll apply what you suggested.

>>2631189
oh anything
that pic you're doing, or any figure, is fine, just turn it grayscale and try painting it

>>2631203

So basically just grayscale paintings all day, okay, thanks. I'll do that, any other advice before I am off to begin self-studies again?

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>>2630770
also mine, would appreciate feedback on both :(

i feel like the first one i made the right side (the left part of his face) a little wider than i should.

on this one the page wasnt long enough so i made his face more squarish than the real one, also, how the fuck should i manage white hair???

>>2631207

maybe the eyes should have been smaller

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I draw a little in my free time, any tips?

>>2631206
nope, just remember large to small.
i'm not the best person to ask really, but that was a big problem for me. whenever i found myself having a hard time with a painting i realized it was because i got ahead of myself and went too detailed too quickly.
just know the first passes will look crappy (as in my pic, see that first pass, just a bunch of blobs) and you just gotta bear with it because you're laying the foundations for the next step.

>>2630985

My high school art teacher always said "draw what you see, not what you think you see."

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>>2631207
added eyebros (lol) and some more shadow

>>2631209
The hands seem too small and I'm not sure what's going on near the neck area.

>>2631140
If you take close up screenshots of the eye of your ref and the eye he drew, you'll see the similarities. I think your main issue is drawing what you see vs. in your own stylized way. Keep at it, anon.

>>2631218
You drew the beard as little triangles --> symbol drawing a little?

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WIP, I'm struggling with this a lot more than in my portrait of the bearded dude in the last thread

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>>2631240
ref

>>2631236
To be fair I can't really put my thumb up to the screen and alt tab to get my spacial reasoning in order.

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>>2631167
>>2629908
I was going to bed, but I just felt like trying one more. this is all I can do for now, going to sleep. I'll fix whatever I missed up on.

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well?

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Any advices?

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>>2629899

>>2631149

I'm the guy who did this...

I'm still not clear on the process, no idea where to go from here, just doing these darker and lighter values in different layers. I feel like a real dipshit that I can't grasp this. Any advice?

>>2631289
if you're going to paint, lines should be more like marks to guide yourself, not an entire thick contour

the process of painting is simple, do big blocks of color (measured correctly), then polish and get more into the detail

what I see is that your tickass lines don't let you move on. those lines don't exist in the drawing, remove them and keep on with the shapes of color

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>>2631236
>>2631136
is this better?
I can't analyze it well enough.

>>2631295

So just dump the lineart and simplify the process?

Also, I am having trouble with the layers conflicting in the drawing. If I wanted to cover up a light spot because of a mistake, I have to go back to the lighter layer, erase the mistake area and then recolor with the darker area in the darker layer. Is there a way I can simplify this, or just do this entire process in one layer like I did on the earlier image.

>>2631282
I know I've seen this before. Post source.

>>2629905

WUZ

>>2631298

New layer + paint on top? Or just paint on top directly and work flat.

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>using cartoons to learn more about gesture.

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>>2630833
Thank you, I am going to fix it!

Btw if my b&w studies kind of okay, but my color studies fail, how do I learn color painting? It's always comes out pale, dull and somehow grayish (pic related). How do I do color studies?

>>2631258
The edges are completely wrong everywhere.
You need to pay close attention and first study ref 1:1, even if it means taking several hours to emulate it.

Why do the rocks have bright white bouncelight at the bottom? Only plastic or metal would have that, and even then, snow in the ground wouldn't have that much of a glow off a reflection, you'd need a white floor with a ton of illumination everywhere.

Rocks also have the same color of the snow, implying snow completely covers them, however you have a ton of shadows underneath (on top of that bounce light), that indicates that there is no snow, otherwise it would have gotten into/in front of those occlusion areas by naturally falling down into a pile.

The way snow rests on the tree is also completely illogical. It's in the middle of the branches instead of top of them, as you can see dark contour on top of every single one.

Sky's brush strokes are too boring, all with the same softness - you need to show variety between clouds (themselves having diverse robustness), sky, and other effects like light rays or fog. This looks like flowing goo.

Your water reflection is missing half of the reflection.

Observe environments more, find the similarities, ask yourself questions, and understand how things work.

>>2631296

Not him but I think it looks better.

>>2630915
>>2630912
Do them on paper. Don't use computer for these.

Paper and 0.5 pen.

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to the faggot who said that I cant ask for critique here: fuck you nigg

how is that guys?
I used tempera on canvas
should I switch to acrylic asap? I heard its alot better ...

Has anyone looked at reddit for inspiration? I have and it really helps with my self esteem. https://www.reddit.com/r/Art/comments/4wno0a/the_progress_ive_made_over_2_years_graphite/

>>2631440
Wow, that boosts motivation.

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>>2630724

How often should I be doing each Draw a box exercise? I'm burning through paper but I feel like I'm actually learning something unlike with Loomis

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>>2629900
still stuck in the symbol drawing stage

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I'm trying to do more recreating photographs as studies. I'm trying to improve my digital art, as I have been neglecting it over the years.

I'm still figuring out how lighting and color work, as well as a few anatomy problems that I now see.

Any advice?

>>2631327
Change your ref to b&w first and first draw in b&w, then put a color filter over it and add color. Merge the layers and add more detail in color. That's the method I use, anyhow. It's easier for me to focus on shadows and highlights first, and then accuracy of colors.

>>2631296
Better. To be fair if you're struggling with analyzing a picture, you might want to start with drawing some simpler objects. And read this if you haven't already: http://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn
Try copying the image upside down, it'll let you know how strong/weak your analyzing really is.

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>>2631603
Does this practice apply to tablet drawing
should I be practicing more on pencil and paper
does medium not really matter
Is it the zooming in messing me up
I feel like a retard when drawing.

>>2631456
teach me, brushwork senpai

Take this with a grain of salt, but I think her right buttock is a bit too angular and her right arm should be slightly closer to her head.

I can't imagine the draw thread kicking you back into /beg/ for doing studies like this.

>>2631607
It might be really frustrating for you but your stuff really isn't that bad, you just need to learn to analyze objects. I'd suggest pencil and paper for the upside-down exercise so you don't have as much freedom to undo/erase/zoom-in, but later just practice on whatever medium you're more comfortable with so you don't have to focus on mastering a medium as well as a picture.

just do the exercise and post a picture

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my first time using water color, any tips?

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>>2631614
Yeah I'll do the exercise, but I promised myself to finish this first. I feel a lot more comfortable with the face this time around.

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Please someone help me fix this face and arms, and/or anything else that needs fixing

>>2631608
Good observations, anon. Thank you. I still have a long way to go with patience & keeping some edges crisp.

>>2631618
Looks okay for your first. I recommend keeping your pencil lines light and clean so they don't mess with your coloring. You should also get actual watercolor paper to avoid the wrinkling.
Other than that, shading. Use a thick lot of color without as much water and then blend as necessary. Look up watercolor tutorials or something.

>>2631607
Starting digital is bad for some beginners because they zoom in and their proportions are messed up since you aren't seeing the 'whole picture' like how traditional drawing does.

>>2631581
Pay attention to those titties. The way you drew them, they're just pointing outward from the body, when they should be getting pulled down by gravity. Try looking at the positions of the nipples.

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>>2631767
I did take foundations of art for high school
design and digital for liberal arts
and loomis for last summer.
But fuck me digital is fucking abysmal, I don't know how to resize
individual pixels screw with me.

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>>2629908
Finished, I think. I know the eyes are slightly odd, a bit too close, but I guess I got something down with this.

>>2631784
chunbum please go

I want to pick up drawing again after 1 year. I raged quit because of Betty Edwards a while ago. Jove, her writing style and her believes want me to kill myself.

Should I start fresh from the beginning or get straight to the last chapter (negative contours) I finished?

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I'm going through newmasteracdemy video on color theory.

Color theory and rendering seems impossible to me. Everything seems to focus on drawing and not rendering. If it does focus on rendering it is all theory.

>>2631807
if your gonna rage quit again why bother starting back up if you were not serious to begin with?

>>2631807

Do drawabox.

Feng Zhu said that Betty Edwards books are a hack and will mislead beginners.

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>>2631824

>>2631824
I'm not rage quitting again. I know now that BE is full of shit. I just want to know if you can forget what you learned?

>>2631827
Hey that's new, can anybody confirm that it's good?

>>2631829
Hey, I forgot everything I learned at school, so I guess you could start anew in case you forgot something.

>>2631835
Welp time to hang myself.

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>>2631838
How about you do like I did? I googled "how to draw a face" three days ago, opened the first tutorial, said "fuck this" and closed it, grabbed a pencil and drew from a reference pic.

I went from wobbly stickmen to this in an instant basically, this is my third drawing:

>>2631841
You forgot that I started drawing a while ago and stopped again.

I already know that I can't just redraw some references. But thanks for your help.

>>2631847
I see, what about a technique you've never tried before, instead?
That would be like a fresh start.

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>>2631241
Whoops.
crit please?

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i tried to practice some anatomy stuff.

>>2631784

Read the sticky.

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>>2631858
what can i do from here?

>>2630204

Now draw the Vileblood mask!

>>2631859
What did I do wrong? Be helpful.

>>2631675
You need to simplify the face features; it looks jarring to the rest of the image

>>2631873
Other anon is right, read the sticky. You're symbol drawing. Why would we repeat the same advice if it's already conveniently posted for you?

>>2631883
How am I still symbol drawing, I sat back and basically colored in what I saw and copied down what I could pick up from the source. I need to know if this is just lying or can some one actually prove that what I'm doing is symbol drawing. I don't understand, and this is getting annoying.

>>2631873
The anons mean from faggot to useful, use the information found within the stickied page in the catalog to assess your drawing and fin what you did wrong using that info.

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>>2631625
here's the sequel.

>>2631890
the drawing is very flat, none of the shading provides stark enough contrast to show dimensions. Redraw it and be more fluid with your lines.

>>2631852
the right eye is actually smaller in yours vs just shaded more heavily in the reference. yours also has a more pronounced head tilt to the right that isn't there in the original. i would use thinner brushes and thicken up her eyebrows and intensify the shading.

>>2631914
head's too small
if you were going for a perspective with a low angle, you didn't achieve it

>>2631890
>>2631915
This. It's also evident that you're using a textured brush as a crutch for your weaknesses, which is that you don't actually know how to draw hair - you're just laying down a flat expanse of color with some lines flying out at the end. I think you should start with a pencil and paper instead of grappling with digital art at this point.

Hope this helps, anon. Those of us telling you to read the sticky actually have a point.

>>2631183
bait right?

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does he looks too much like a zombie ? c/c pls

>>2631967
Needs thinner cheeks. His pants should have some creases and his feet are kinda weird, might wanna look at some refs for those. I like how you shaded the jacket though.

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>>2631918
Thanks anon. Better? I think I'm about done.

What are some good places to get references?

Google image and pixiv suck

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how am i doing /ic/?

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>>2632005
If these are all without ref, I like these anon. Ponytail girl on the middle-right looks pretty good. Some of your other faces get a little chicken-scratchy (especially near the hair), and you might benefit from drawing faces from some different angles like you started to towards the bottom of the page.

>>2630697
Woah, that Patrick Petitjean portrait is great.

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>>2631937
I was not.

>>2632045
I think it's because the torso is still too thin compared to the thighs. Try widening that and making the head slightly larger.

>>2632060
made it too long too.

So I read perspective made easy under drawing a cylinder on its side, the explanation on the long and short axis of the ellipse has helped me angle its crossaxis correctly but i still don't understand how should i measure the slanted rectangle in which the ellipse should be contained.

>>2631289
There's a fundamental lack of rhythm and gesture in this.

You should do some gesture drawing.
Check this video and the follow up videos when you're ready.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

>>2631196

I think you should be more concerned with figure construction than gesture right now.

Your gestures should show the masses of the rib cage and pelvis, the movement of the spine, pinching and pulling between mass, etc.

These are more flat contour drawing than gesture. You need to study more. Read Michael Hampton's figure invention book, read Vilppu's book, read Mattesi's book Force.

Go through Loomis and study the living shit out of anything to do with proportion and construction. Spend a while just taking photos and constructing simple mannequins out of forms from the figures in the photos. Try using wrapping lines to give the forms dimension. You need to understand that you have to convey form in your drawings, it's not good enough to just try and quickly scribble the outline of something, that's just not how this works.

Don't even really worry about gesture though until you have well constructed figures, because that's when you're going to want to worry about how stiff they are. One problem at a time. Focus on forms.

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>>2629913
I'm not sure if this is good or not, its the first thing I've done like this since the obligatory Marilyn Monroe in freshman 2D Art, which was years ago...

>>2631841
>3 days
Are you autistic or is this a new meme?

>>2632085
Looks decent in the thumbnail but you basically chicken scratched everything, and you're also symbol-drawing a little. Facial hair isn't just clusters of lines, they should have shadows and highlights of their own. The nose also isn't just a triangle with a rounded bottom. Your proportions seem to be on the right track.

Read the sticky, I think it would help you.

>>2632079
Thanks for the heads up.
I've always felt very lost when I'm drawing these gestures, and Proko is very in control in comparison. He's probably using all of his knowledge while he does them, and with holding it so you go to his website and buy his videos.

Once again, thanks.
I'm going to check out all of these books.

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How the fuck do I into gesture? I've watched probably every tutorial on the internet, read what I could find in all the books that get suggested on /ic/ and I just can't fucking do it. I've drawn probably a hundred gestures, both digitally and traditionally, and it always comes out looking like this pile of shit.

>>2632152
Just feel the pull.

>>2632152
Relax. I went through two entire sketchbooks of stuff like what you have before it clicked for me.

I don't want to regurgitate everything that I've said throughout this thread about gesture so read through them. They'll apply to you, too.

>>2631915
I see. I guess I need more practice with values, to make things have more dimension.
>>2631949
I know, the hair was really just rushed in, I should have tried harder with it. And the brush was more as a personal preference, but I guess it wasn't necessary for practicing with.
And one thing, I actually drawn with paper and pencil for years, nearly 2/3 of my life, and just started using a tablet this year, so my abilities with my tablet may be limited to use right now to relearn my basics right now. So I'll go back to using traditional means again, thanks. I also looked into the sticky now, and got a betting understand on Symbol Drawing now, I get it better now. Sorry if I came off a bit agitated, I understand now. Thanks again for the advice.

>>2632152

The methods of proko and vilppu etc are for the classroom and are meant to be left in the classroom. Don't pigeon hole yourself in somebody else noise example the spine method from hampton, which is not only restrictive in expression but a very poorly explained one at that.

I recommend you to keep doing it everyday and experiment with new ways to notate figures quickly. Don't get discouraged because yours doesn't look like the teachers because it shouldn't ever in the first place.

>>2632152
Forget about tutorials. Look at a figure for a few seconds and start drawing and feeling the pose as you remember it. Don't at the figure until you're finished. Draw the movement and flow and not the shapes.

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just for fun

>>2632179
are you a part of that retard demographic that does the #stylechallenge and takes it seriously

>>2632180
No. This was just for fun, hence the caption

>>2632180
Are you part of the retard clan who doesn't draw?

>>2631383
thanks for the tips. ill try to defend myself where needed

>The edges are completely wrong everywhere.

im just trying to emulate different lighting/texture using a given landscape as a template. im not worried to much if the exact angles of the mountain are off or it the area with trees is bigger than it actually is

>Why do the rocks have bright white bouncelight at the bottom? Only plastic or metal would have that, and even then, snow in the ground wouldn't have that much of a glow off a reflection, you'd need a white floor with a ton of illumination everywhere.

true theyre probably too bright for the lighting

>Rocks also have the same color of the snow, implying snow completely covers them, however you have a ton of shadows underneath (on top of that bounce light), that indicates that there is no snow, otherwise it would have gotten into/in front of those occlusion areas by naturally falling down into a pile.

it's not 'blanketed' its supposed to patches sitting on top of the rocks with snow more or less filling everything in between. reason is if you look at the ref the rocks all of have fairly steep sides, in which case the snow wouldnt b able to hold except for the tops.

>Sky's brush strokes are too boring, all with the same softness - you need to show variety between clouds (themselves having diverse robustness), sky, and other effects like light rays or fog. This looks like flowing goo.

also true. im just going for a plain open sky sunset. though in my defence i havent spent much time on the besides choosing colors/and blocking

>Your water reflection is missing half of the reflection.

this concerns me. its supposed to be frozen hence the snow patches from the bottom of the mountain face passing the limits of the edge of the lake. and those white lines are supposed to be cracks. its sort of hard finding a ref for this effect everything looks different if different refs

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practicing linework. Tips?

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Hows my first Stravinsky? Starting after a long time and felt like this would be alright practice

>>2632227
Going to assume you're brushwork senpai because who else at that level would linger on this thread

Left girl's right foot disappeared and the line near her spine merges into her elbow, but these are tiny things. This is really pretty anon, I don't think people in /beg/ can give you the advice you need.

>>2632231
Rotate the image, reduce its size please. Looks okay from what i can see

>>2632233
idk who brushwork sempai is. Where should I go ask for help then?

>>2630094
>What do the lines communicate?
FTFY.

Lines communicate a separation of two elements with notable (not necessarily hard) contrast between one-another (generally overlap/depth). Sometimes via the illusion of shadow, but not always.

Thick lines communicate a strong contrast, thin communicate a weak contrast.

>>2632231
Original was upside down - no idea why it posted sideways. Not going to repost just for a little sketch, thanks thou

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>>2631966
No it's not bait.
D- does it look like bait??

>>2632256
You were redirected from an external site, didn't you?.
Just read the sticky and post on /beg/ (search it in the catalog button) until you are decent and you should be fine.

>>2632256
do you really not see how shitty your drawing is?

>>2632256
read the sticky

come back in a month

>>2631348
looks good my man

>>2632256
i mean ''stuff that i like''and you include some 2011 reddit memes. it's pathetic

>>2632236
ok, now how do i use lines for small details like muscles or shadows on stomachs etc.

>>2632256
what the fuck happened to diego

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how to improve from this?

>>2632324
> http://design.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-draw-animals-snakes-and-their-patterns--cms-21338 (Also, I think author doesn't know how to draw, but you can make out what would work or not by yourself).
> vkDOTcomSLASHdoc140639119_357369022 (vilppu animal drawing)

>>2629930
dude those thumbs are backwards lol

>>2632126
Could you elaborate more on the symbol drawing aspect? I avoided doing so as much as I could for everything on there? I assumed shading everything rather than actually drawing out a face, other than a basic structure, would be the way to avoid that, as that's what they did in a pencil drawing book I was reading.

>>2630517
youve made it

>>2632110
Uhh I'm serious, that's my third drawing, my first one was made 3 days ago.
I have no art background and sucked at any crafts-related school thing.

Does that mean it's too good for a beginner or are you just trolling me?

Thought I'd dump this here:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIYKVwaJByYhRLk4VfrMgnAbBzlAonj-t

>>2631282
Mostly alright, but your color choices are pretty grody

Green is not a creative colour.

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Do you think If I donated to Chris-Chan and told him to read Loomis he'd improve?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shf37GUT9tU

>>2632560
He'd probably regress

What order should I be learning human drawing in?

Theres gesture drawing (which I honestly do NOT see the point of, it seems useless).

figure drawing, learning anatomy, etc

I need to get back on track with drawing, drawing heads pisses me off, feature wise. Idk why I can't get them right.

I'm using proko (which people seemingly have issue with. And he's got a million vids out, muscle/bone wise. I have no idea where to start with any of this.

What are some good , amateur/ intermediate level books to learn how to draw people ,clothes and creatures?

>>2630984
>>2631415
Not him, but why should these be done on paper?

>>2632235
The /draw/ thread? lol

>>2632399
As I said, your nose is a triangle with a rounded bottom and the beard is just clusters of lines without lighting or shading. Drawing out a face doesn't automatically lead to symbol drawing, by the way.. Your version of "shading everything" is actually kind of messy. Reading the sticky would help you.

>>2632605
>Theres gesture drawing (which I honestly do NOT see the point of, it seems useless).

It's not. Without it, you end up with stiff, lifeless figures.

Start with basic construction and proportion.

>>2632324
>Dragon Loomis

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How this? First time really painting anything, thought I'd start with just values.

>>2632628
>>2632628
lel

>>2632605
Gesture drawing is so your figures stay loose and dynamic.
Try to draw a figure from a reference, then figure out what you need to work on from there. If drawing heads annoys you, check out Loomis's head proportions and planes of the face. Study those, since all heads have to conform to basic structures.

>>2632629
Anon I'd suggest you stick to pencil and paper, and read the sticky.

>>2632637
Thought as much. Been reading Loomis lately so I'm making progress, though I can't help but use my Wacom sometimes.

>>2632605
>What order should I be learning human drawing in?
There is no fixed order that you have to follow.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VfDTpLLVl5bWUGWguswKpPFml533luI8-NBd1EGYHnA/edit?pref=2&pli=1
Read this and go to anatomy and figure books. Try one of the books.

>>2632645

Is proko a bit of a bad resource?

I liked him at first, but his humor was...cringeworthy, on top of that, the second he started saying PREMIUM COURSE! i was like yeah....fuck you

>>2632648
>Is proko a bit of a bad resource?
Not really, he just doesn't go in depth with anything.

>>2632634

I've done the loomis head method a million times.

The front facing view is impossible for me, construction wise. Any time I do the "perfect circle", then chop off the sides, the sides are always lopsided/never look symmetrical, same for the jaw. And yea I know the head is not perfectly symmetrical. But it has to at least look like it, and mine are always WAY off.

>>2632651
Post the drawing please.

>>2632656

I don't have them on me anymore, i threw them out.

>>2632657
Draw another then. I can't give feedback if I can't see the problem.

>>2632618
http://drawabox.com/article/ink

I'd add to it that you cannot cheat, intentionally or unintentionally, with pen and paper. The absolute garbage that you do will forever be documented on pen and paper.

>>2632648
>>2632649
You guys must not have looked in to his stuff that well then. His premium course is very much worth it and had been going since last year and I'd still in progress with assignments, it's the most in depth anatomy course I've seen and go in to every part of the body individually on muscle and bone. Scott eatons anatomy class is also really helpful

Is this a containment thread?

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>>2632660

>>2632660

my curved lines to create either side of the jaw/side planes of the front view are always cockeyed/don't look like the other side no matter what I do.

Adding the features is a whole other monster, no matter what I do they look like shit. ESPECIALLY the lips on the front view.

>>2632672
Doesn't look that bad desu. Looks symmetrical to me.

>>2632672
Chicken scratch, but just draw the rest of the features in

>>2632676
one side of the jawline is always seemingly more vertical than the other, and it bugs the fuck out of me. And it takes a million erases to get it anywhere close to right, especially with the side planes.

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>>2630724
I don't know what I am doing

>>2632681

I know it's chicken scratch.

No amount of drawabox/whatever exercises is gonna make my hand steady/make it go where I want at will.

I also tried the locked elbow deal with the pencil holding and doing that with a sketchbook on your lap doesn't yield good results. I'm always in tripod mode, outstretched elbow or not.

>>2632687
Fail more, until you get better.

>>2632687
>>2632687
>No amount of drawabox/whatever exercises is gonna make my hand steady/make it go where I want at will.
Pff, well if you think like that you might as well not draw at all. All successful artists have gone through where you have before, you just need the willpower and effort to get through it.

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Haven't studied such a jarring perspective before, it's kind of throwing me off. Any crit before I go on?

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>>2632704
Ref

>>2632705
Anon we need to talk..

>>2632686
I like it. I'm a sucker for cool blending. What kind of brush did you use?

>>2632560
good god in heaven.

>>2631434
ffs guys I've been waiting for a fucking week

Come on

>>2632732
Shitty photo, but w/e.
Don't worry about the media you're using as much as your technique right now. There's not enough detail in the water so your waterfall looks tiny compared to the one in the photo. You made the buildings/trees too big in comparison, and you also depicted them with really messy brushstrokes so they don't look very good. You made the one dark spot of water on the left darker than your trees and buildings, which looks really unnatural.

>>2632672
It looks fine. I just think you're cutting a bit to much the sides. Don't worry if it's not symmetrical, that's just a base to build on afterall.

>>2632529
basically nobody gives a shit. I mean, I could say that it's impressive to go from zero to pretty crappy, but in the end it doesn't even matter. Anyway that's pretty good for a beginner but it's still clearly beginner work: you followed a tutorial and put some polish on it. That's ok but you might not know that there is sooo much more to this. Now get drawing and git gud. In /ic/ terms, being good means that you can from the top of your head draw anything in you visual library and you understand the 3D structure of what you're rapresenting. With or without a bit reference, doesn't really matter because you're not supposed to copy it, it's just there to remind you of how thing work.

>>2632672
watch your thirds and width/height ratio

>>2631434
>>2632732
You're lacking all the warm colors of the reference, and for the most part your values don't really seem to extend down far enough. Rather than make the composition your own you just kind of took out most of the interesting bits of the photo. Rather than just going at it flat out on canvas you should start doing some thumbnails to figure out the composition and make small value/color studies.

>>2632529
and one more thing, to be good you need a solid grasp of the fundamentals. When you have those you will only be limited by your fantasy; you'll be able to give full reign to self-expression.

>>2632765
>>2632770
I didn't follow a tutorial though, I just grabbed a pencil and drew from a reference image.
I can hardly cope with the "study" thing (school was half a nightmare, in fact).

After my first drawing I tried following some exercises, I did the Stravinsky reversed portrait thing which came out alright and then got kinda bored and made another drawing, less crappy than the first one already.

I'm working on another one now, I changed the pencil because I had remarks about pushing the values, and a 2H is too hard apparently. HB seems to work better.

Would I improve in any way by disregarding any tutorial and just... draw?
I'm trying to keep it a relaxing activity, not an obligation.

>>2632625
Alright, thank you for the help

>>2632704
christ alive

>>2632324
read the sticky

>>2632784
Nope, you have to fix your symbolic drawing first or you get stuck with polishing turd forever.

90% drawing 10% studying. Those 10% are not that much but absolutely essential.

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>tfw no critique

>>2632855
Good.

>>2632853
Hmm I see, thanks.
That symbol drawing thing is very reduntant around here, may I ask where it is most noticeable so I can avoid doing it better?

>>2632784
sorry about the tutorial thing, I misread your post. In my experience study helps a lot. It depends on you desu though. At least study a little perspective and a lot of construction. Pretty much everything else can be learned by just drawing a lot if you're that kind of person.

>>2632855
Which one are you? I'll give it a shot.

>>2632861
>>2632861
>>2632861

NEW THREAD

>>2632861
>>2632861
>>2632861

>>2631858
>>2631860
these >>2632871

>>2632864
Alright, I'll try to do some perspective and construction work.
I guess it would help with the placement of facial features, I currently use the trial and error approach and it's kinda frustrating at times.
Thanks for the tip.

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>>2632863
Mostly this thing instead of lips. Eyes is ok, but may be too, cant say for sure without your ref. Nose is good.
Apart from this you should pay more attention to the shadows, try to squint when you look at image.

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>>2632900
Thanks, basically I should avoid outlining stuff... infact faces don't have sharp lines hmm...
I didn't really draw the nose, I shaded around it and it popped up, and I thought it was the worst part; that might be the key actually, since I have nothing to outline in the first place.
I'll try the squinting, I'm drawing right now and should move onto the lips very soon.
Shading should also improve now that I have a softer pencil, I can see it laying down a lot more graphite.

This was the ref by the way:

How are the sketch workshop books?

>>2632079
It seems that your suggestion to study the construction prior to the figure is in direct conflict with the beliefs of Andrew Loomis.

Post your work.

>>2631860
>>2631858
Try not using a tablet.