General Questions Thread

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i'll start.
moving in with bf and i asked him what he wants to hang on the walls. he requested a pic of the northern lights and a fjord (he's really into traveling norway and iceland...).
now i desperately need some really awesome paintings with that subject. i've tried to find something but it all looks so cheap and clichée. does anyone know about artists that have something like that that i can actually look at every day without going insane?
pic is the only one of northern lights i found that i like. he isn't thrilled since it's not purple and green. help me!

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>>2600964
accidentially took the wrong pic
resized version

Is there a good set of basic painterly brushes? All the ones in the sticky are 404'ing.

Is it bad that i sketch and draw only with Ball Point Pen? Should i go back to Pencil?

>>2601163

You should try to balance, drawing with pen mostly will help you make less mistakes over time and visualize your images better beforehand since you can't erase. If you have a preference, do that for the most part, but balance your mediums a bit since they both have benefits.

When drawing from imagination with the subject doing a gesture, is it best to image the subject together with the background or do the subject first and try to "prop" it onto a background of sorts? Wouldn't the latter mess with perspective?

What are some good ways to practice without books? My books were in my PC but it died

>>2601106
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/E9nEq

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What are the best resources for understanding light theory? Specifically, shadow shapes, reflected light, occlusion, etc. Any recommended books or video? I don't remember ever finding anything specific in the sticky. Thank you

>>2603006
bump for this as well

>>2603006

Are you still there anon? I am going to put together a reading list for you. It will take me a couple hours.

If you don't feel like waiting a couple hours, a couple things off the top of my head to get you started.

If you're at the point where you want to understand how light interacts with objects, you're better off reading/skimming basic physics textbooks than reading art books/tutorials on "lighting". obviously you don't have to do any of the calculations, unless you are interested in the actual computer graphics/rendering side of it, but actually draw out the geometry of light and how it interacts with objects. first in two dimensions, then in three dimensions. use simple objects. read about the inverse-square law for light. take pictures of simple objects with simple lighting setups and trace the value gradient (change in value over a surface) to confirm the inverse-square law yourself. again, these are all crude descriptions and experiments and are not going to be as precise as an actual physicist would do them, but they will help you build lighting models in drawings and understand how lighting works.

on a second thought, this is actually the easiest way to learn about lighting

you can either take pictures from google, or take your own pictures (whichever is faster), and then make them grayscale, and then plot the value of the pixels as a function of distance from the light source and see how often is non-linear/exponential. You'll usually find that the more "zoomed in" you are on the picture the more linear the change in value is, and the more "zoomed out" you are the more non-linear the change in value is.

so do this yourself, don't take my word for it. take some images where the distance from the light source is known and plot the value as a function of distance from the light source. it is tedious, and there are going to be people telling you to not listen to me, that it is too much work, but drawing light will be easier because of it.

>>2603098
Dude thanks a bunch. Engineering student here so I've already taken optics but this would definitely be a good time to brush up on it and review inverse square law. I've actually had a good amount of luck so far just using pure physics knowledge and I will continue to put it into practice. I was wondering, however, if there were any "standard' approaches or something used by artists. I was thinking along the lines of a more qualitative than quantitative method if that makes sense? And if you don't mind putting together a reading list for me I would appreciate it a ton.

>>2603006
Scott Robertson's "How to Render" is probably the most thorough and specific description of lighting, shadows, shadow shapes, and the physics of light that has been committed to text so far. Goes far beyond the usual diagram of a sphere with one light on it. It does NOT cover color very deeply at all, if you're looking for that see Gurney's "Color and Light" which covers color in detail but only provides a cursory explanation of what is happening value-wise when a light hits form. It does cover materials.
If you have an engineer mindset, it shouldn't be so shockingly tedious and technical for you (it is for alot of people.) It can be confusing if you don't understand how to construct shapes volumetrically, as with the "draw through" method. See his first book, "How to Render" for a primer on that. They are basically textbooks of Scott's courses at Art Center College of Design.
Also, everything in the books is explained and geared towards inorganic objects. Everything still applies, and you will transfer all of it, but it is not transfer for you in the text.
Best of luck.

>>2603127
Sorry, typod. meant:
"See his first book, "How to Draw" for a primer on that."

also missed an -ed at the end of transfer

>>2603127
>>2603129
Perfect, I've been finishing up "How to Draw" and trying to consolidate the knowledge therein so I guess I'll just jump right into "How to Render" next. Thank you so much for the advice, I really appreciate it!

>>2603110

No problem. Good to know you're applying your knowledge of physics to art. I wish more art students would, since most of the confusion about "how do I make it look realistic" is a result of not understanding how the physical world works. Since I know you already have basic knowledge of physics, I'm going to focus the list on what I have saved in my bookmarks about rendering and geometry.

>I was wondering, however, if there were any "standard" approaches or something used by artists

From the discussions I have had with most realist artists, they use variations of the method, or similar methods to what I described. The qualitative aspects of the method come down to your aesthetic judgement and not about whether the measurements are true. Making aesthetic judgements, is, of course, a purely subjective descision-making process, which is another way of saying that you have to figure out what you like and do not like on your own, it is not something I can teach you. For example, I am partial to symmetry in art, but also symmetry diguised as asymmetry, i.e., things that might appear unbalanced to the 'uninitiated'. Think about a Jenga tower in it's final stages, or any kind of stack of cantilevered objects. In a drawing, it is easier to construct balanced, but seemingly asymmetric compositions. To me, the 'art' of the drawing is in the skill of disguising what are actually balanced structures as unbalanced.

>>2603127

These are good recommendations except Gurney's "Color and Light", which is dissappointing if you are expecting thorough explanations and tutorials. It acts more as a glossary of "lighting" and "color" terms which are illustrated with drawings he has already made from previous books and illustrations, rather than walking you through original illustrations made for the book. Also, Gurney is not consistent enough for me. I haven't read Scott Robertson's book on rendering, but if it is as good as his book on drawing I will say go for it.

>>2603134
>>2603110
>>2603098

Some links I found...

https://www.cs.uic.edu/~jbell/CourseNotes/ComputerGraphics/
https://www.cs.uic.edu/~jbell/
https://www.evl.uic.edu/aej/488/index.html
https://www.cs.uic.edu/~jbell/Courses/Eng591_F1999/index.html
http://web.cse.ohio-state.edu/~whmin/

if these aren't satisfying, not sure how you're google-fu is, but whenever I need good info on a subject/lecture notes I just use

[insert topic] site:.edu

which will usually lead my to a faculty directory, who have usually written a textbook, which is usually listed under

[title of textbook].pdf

and then of course if they have co-authors on non-paywalled publications/articles, those people usually have faculty pages with lectures notes, and so on and so forth, 5 hours later and you have thousands of .pdfs to comb through, but such is life.

Happy rendering. I'll post more that I find. IIRC, CMU has some pretty baller faculty in computer graphics but I could be mistaken (it might be stats/machine vision instead, my bookmarks are a nightmare).

>>2603134
>>2603145
You're a life saver, thank you so much. I'm about to fall asleep but I'm gonna comb through all the links in the morning and start using that google methodology that I can't believe I hadn't heard of before

>>2603145

It's my pleasure. I'm glad to be of use.

I forgot, the main thing you're going to want to be looking for is papers on "Global Illumination" and "Ray Tracing" (which you can actually do by hand in two-dimensions... you know... for fun... shoot me).

http://www.kunzhou.net/
http://give.zju.edu.cn/en/memberIntro/tm.html
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~dm/
http://www.zhilichen.com/projects/
http://www.cad.zju.edu.cn/home/rwang/
http://linjieluo.com/publications/
http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/pubs/2002/TPWG02.pdf
http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~kb/
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~djames/
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~srm/
http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/people/director.html
https://www.cs.drexel.edu/~david/Classes/Papers/SSDO.pdf
http://graphics.ucsd.edu/~henrik/papers/photon_map/
http://graphics.ucsd.edu/~henrik/papers/book/ (THIS ONE SEEMS REALLY GOOD)
http://graphics.ucsd.edu/~henrik/
http://cg.ivd.kit.edu/publications/2012/GISTAR/GISTAR.pdf
http://web.cse.ohio-state.edu/~tamaldey/meshbook.html
https://sites.google.com/site/kimbmn/research/publications-1
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~jkh/

(example of standard directory format... /[faculty name]/[course title]/[lectures]/[lecture{1, 2, 3,... n}])

http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/~karan/
http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/~karan/pubs.htm
http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/~karan/courses/csc418/lectures/l15.pdf

>>2603166

Okay, last link dump, this one has more stuff on path tracing, global illumination, the rendering equation, etc.

http://graphics.pixar.com/library/HQRenderingCourse/paper.pdf
http://cs.brown.edu/people/gem/gfxread/globillum.pdf
https://graphics.cg.uni-saarland.de/fileadmin/cguds/courses/ss13/ris/slides/10_DensityPhotonMapping.pdf
http://www.cse.chalmers.se/edu/year/2012/course/TDA361/globillum.pdf
http://www.cs.utah.edu/~ctuttle/research03/finalreport.pdf
http://web.cse.ohio-state.edu/~parent/classes/782/Papers/PhotonMap/photonMapping.pdf

I'm not sure how comfortable you are reading lots and lots of documents, so I would recommend not overwhelming yourself by actually reading all of these slides tomorrow or whenever you get the chance, but just skim, read the important bits, and make note of frequently occurring phrases and key terms. Also, always check the contents first, it will cut down on reading time significantly

I think the link below covers the most material and at a gentle pace too. It's from SIGGRAPH (a HUGE computer graphics conference, http://www.siggraph.org/), and one of the lecturers is Henrik Jensen (from the previous link from UCSD on photon mapping) and the other is a guy from Pixar. If I was to read through one of the lecture notes fully, I would probably read through this one and use all others as references.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/academic/class/15462-f10/www/lec_slides/a1-jensen.pdf

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>>2603186
(very sorry, last post)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell_box

For fun, you can draw these in two dimensions to "get a feel" for literally tracing rays, and then estimating the intensity of the effect of the ray after a given number of reflections off of objects. You can approximate values, roughly, by, like in billiards (again, I can hear physicists in the distance tearing there hair out with the analogy, but bear with me), estimating the type of path the photon will travel in the scene. You can start with a single photon and then see how far it travels and how many points it changes the value of (in the imaginary pitch black box with a light source that only emits one photon at a time) and what value it changes them to (by whatever the current displacement of the particle is, which, again, you are estimating (the distance formula is the tedious part because you're just taking a zillion square roots)).

picture is from page 53 of /a1-jensen.pdf

I'm sure this has been asked before, but how would you recommend breaking out of an anime art style/a slump? Should I just start from the basics?

>>2603378

If you enjoy drawing anime, don't stop drawing it.

/ic/, for the most part, has nothing against anime or the "anime style" (as it is often interpreted) we just don't want you to needlessly struggle in attempting to copy it, or, delude yourself into thinking you are making "good drawings", when in fact your drawings are lacking.

Often you will see people complain about this, by saying something along the lines of,

"anime is bad and you should feel bad"...

when they really mean,

"you don't know how to draw a straight line, yet are attempting to describe a form as complex as a human, and even more so in a style alternative to what is observed in nature, making your task all the more difficult than you might realize, something something dunning-kruger, gtfo etc".

If you are having difficulty drawing anime in the style that you want to, it may be because you lack the basic skills that you would learn from the fundamentals, i.e. mastering straight and curved lines, constructing forms in 1 & 2 point perspective, etc. The basic exercises are called "fundamental" because they will give you a greater ability in drawing any style, not just an 'anime style'.

So, while there isn't anything inherently wrong with drawing anime, we generally look down upon people who skip the fundamentals. As Hegel said, "Impatience asks for the impossible, wants to reach the goal without the means of getting there,"- likewise, we want you to be patient enough to draw straight lines correctly before you move onto advanced, stylized forms found in anime.

I mean, after all, this is a website dedicated to anime. If there is any place you should be drawing anime, it's here.

I've been thinking about promoting my art a bit more since i think i don't suck that much now, but i don't know where. Not pixiv, cuz i don't draw manga style much, i've been on deviantart till now but i don't like that site, not only the community, but i don't like the system in general there. I've seen people recommending artstation, reddit, instagram, or making facebook page dedicated to art, but i'm not nearly as skilled to use artstation and i've never really used instagram or reddit. Facebook page always felt kinda redundant to me since i post my art on my profile, idk thought. What would you recommend? what is your favorite site to expanding your fanbase?
TL;DR galleries or social sites to expand your followers number.

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So, I have recently started drawing after many years of not drawing.
I have always preferred of drawing on paper on pen.
But I really wanna start drawing on PC/tablet, I use my Tablet computer but I really can't get same feeling on drawing on paper.
Is it just a rookie thing or shall I keep practicing?

>>2603571

yes, keep practicing. dedicate more time to drawing on a tablet than you do on paper. eventually you will get "the feel for it" back. when I go for months without drawing on a tablet, and then switch back, it usually takes me a few hours of intense 'warming up' to get back into it, then a couple weeks of this for it to feel normal and not require as much effort during the warm up stage. after about a month I am completely comfortable and will then begin making substantial improvements in my digital drawing technique.

>>2602351

Along with the drives?

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Checked out the /self promo/ thread. How come no one uses Facebook as a promotional website? Shouldn't it be good for publicity? what with all the normies and stuff.

Are Clip Studio and PS files compatible with each other? What about other software such as Corel?

came to this board for the first time a week ago

can't help but feel an incredible urge to create, but i have no prior experience. I do however own a tablet.

should i use pencil, or start with the tablet?

any other info is appreciated as well

pls halp really fast. photoshit is doing this weird thing were the keystroke + swipe left/right doesnt zoom in/out. it just zooms out and does this weird box. i went into properties and there doesnt seem to be anything that can fix this. how do i get my ALT + swipe zoom back?

>>2604546
its easier to learn the fundamentals without having to worry about learning to use a program like photoshop at the same time

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WHY AM I 22 AND STILL NOT GOOD I DRAW EVERY FUCKING DAY ALL THESE STUDIES ARENT WORKING AND MY INKING DESTROYS EVERYTHING I CREATE AAAAAAAQQAQAAHHHHHHHHH HOW THE FUCK DO I GET CRISP FUCKINGLINES AND HATCHING PIC RELATED HELP ME I WANT TO SCREAM

>>2604578

lol just make a photocopy of your sketch before you destroy it anon

>>2604591
I have tracing paper that i use to do this but i always see professional comic artists ink directly over their own work when doing a demo and the end result looks so effortless. I know that they obviously make copies in the industry where they have penciller and inker teams but i want to be able to sketch something out and then go over it with my quill without mangling the image.

>>2604578
>thinks 22 is old

>>2604615
>thinks drawing like an 18 year old at 22 isnt autism

>>2604630
>drawing like an 18 year old
this concept does not exist

When we rotate boxes, we move the vanishing point on the same horizontal line, but is there a method to figure the Width appropriate for each side of box?
Every time I try rotating box this way, I feel I'm drawing a different box with different side widths. Maybe something with picking new Vanishing points?

So lost. Can someone please help?

>>2604634
You dont exist

>>2604646
>thinks replying to someone who doesn't exist isnt autism

any tips for cleaning strong pigments from brushes?
i use vegetable oil then soap

What's a good guide, preferably video, for picking up Krita. I've been messing with it and there's a lot to learn.

how does one deal with being better artistically than everyone else on ic?

>>2604658
idk ask nosebro

>>2604635

Don't be afraid to cheat. Either make a 3D animation or find one on youtube, and observe (read: trace) how the lengths change with respect to a change in orientation of the box.

Remember, you don't have to do everything free-hand initially, you just have to be able to do it free-hand eventually.

>>2604661

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50EjlzVsQM8

An example video from a quick search from the first page of results.

Also, another idea I had. If you're concerned about the consistency of the lengths, rather than draw a row of separated boxes in different orientations, draw square torus/ring, and divide it into equal parts. If you then separate the parts, you will, albeit from one viewpoint only, have all different orientations of a box and the lengths will be consistent, assuming of course you can draw circles in perspective.

If the explanation wasn't clear, I would be happy to post an image to explain.

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>>2604662

An image of a "square torus" in picture attached.

...and some links to tutorials of circles drawn in perspective with guides, ordered from least to most amount of mathematics.

1. http://www.automotiveillustrations.com/tutorials/drawing-ellipse-in-perspective.html
2. http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/perspect5.html
3. http://www.math.utah.edu/~treiberg/Perspect/Perspect.htm (Utah, home of the Utah Teapot!)

i would like to try oil pastels, specifically the sennelier portrait set of 24 colors
problem is theres only one store here that sells them and they reside on "jewish street" and on their website they dont have prices instead they have shit like "good deal", "great price"
what the fuck am i supposed to do i dont want to pay 20 euros for shipping but i also dont want to go to that store

>>2603708
Drives are ok but I sent the whole PC to the repairshop

>>2604709
Where do you live that you can't buy shit online and get it delivered for a couple of euros? Ebay or amazon probably have what you want. Here in the UK, I just looked and found exactly the set you were talking about with free delivery on amazon.

Incidentally, I wouldn't get too hung up on brand. I don't really remember the cheapest oil pastels being any worse than the quality ones when I used them (which was twenty years ago, mind you).

>>2604546

You should start with a pencil, for the simple reason that it's maybe a tenth of the cost if nothing else. You can use a pencil pretty much anywhere, which means you will draw more and, more importantly, draw from life more. The vast majority of artistic skills can be learned with a pencil. Tablets are novelty devices (fun ones, I admit) or for people who have already gotten gud and want to push into professional quality.

>>2604799
Eastern europe
And stores here charge 5 euros for delivery but no other stores have them they all sell Koh I noor ones
Guess I'll get it from amazon hopefully the shipping won't be over 10 £

how the fuck do you get noticed on twitter

>>2604849
Pay for fake followers

>>2600956
1). Is art school worth it?
2). How can I improve my digital painting? Im trying to color faster with the fill bucket tool but I have trouble with it.

3). Anyone here wanna work in the animation industry or comics?

>>2604849
Exist outside of twitter.

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Anyone knows which artist drew this?
Google didn't help

>>2604891
>Is art school worth it?
I say go for one year (to a GOOD school, not just some community college), meet a lot of people, and then drop out while maintaining those connections. You learn the most in your freshman year, no matter where you go. If you stick around, you might get a couple great teachers, but that won't be worth all the other mediocre to bad ones and unnecessary subjects. Better to take specific classes online from the best of the best, like Schoolism or New Masters Academy.

>>2605075
it's by kaneoya sachiko

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>>2604891
Under most circumstances: no

Unfortunately even attending for a single year could lead to your being burdened with tens of thousands of dollars in debt. If you want to make connections make a presence online. Market yourself. If you're a shy cunt this probably isn't going to work out for you anyway.

>>2605088
I get ya. Im going to a community college first, to try it out, and then most likely try a different school.

>>2605111
This is good advice too and that's a hot lady

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where does the clitoral hood connect to past behind the labia minora?

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>>2605267
just go to /s/ vaginer generlas

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>>2605267
possibly relevant. whipped this up for you

in photoshop when you open a second window for a file, is there a way to make it update in real time instead of only after you lift your pen?

Guys. Guys. Why are the banners in the contest just memes? Seriously.

What are the memes most used by /ic/ when responding to posts? I'd like to know as I lurk and prevent myself from posting stupid sketches and ask for critique.

>>2607369
see the banner contest

>>2607369
post your work
flash me

>>2607369
kill yourself

I just wanted to ask, say there's a specific pose that you thought of and want to draw but it comes out to something less than what you wanted. Should you continue to grind it out hoping it'll be right, or should you try to look for reference and take the easy way out. Genuinely curious because it feels like cheating to look up the pose.

>>2607447
>look up the pose
>sketch it out a few times
>draw it from memory
>profit???

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As you walk out of the shower, this old man comes in and starts feeling the form of your pubic arch while mumbling. What do you do?

Using Photoshop with a tablet, how do I paint with a solid color with the brush tool? Every time I use it, it still applies the pressure sensitivity.

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how does this artist (rosuuri) get this lighting effect where there are subtle hue shifts in the gradient of the light?
not sure how to explain, but here are other examples:
http://rosuuri.deviantart.com/art/Rapunzel-Nozomi-536119830
http://rosuuri.deviantart.com/art/Cafe-Maid-Eli-583125961

Also wondering how they did that rainbow effect too?

>>2607549
Disable transfer in brush settings (f5)

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Does anyone have a torrent/pdf/cbr of Frank Cho's How to Draw Beautiful Women? Also, is it a good book to study anatomy and whatnot?

Pic obviously unrelated.

Where do I find art related part time jobs for mediocre artists.
I want to get paid but also have some time to grind on my illustrations.

>>2607611
I have it on my pc but am not at home. I got it from a mega load from the books thread though. You should look there

Is there any figure drawing site like Pixelovely that focuses on multiple figures at the same time?

what do you do after studying figures from loomis? Do I have to move to villpu if I feel comfortable enough with what I know already?

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I usually draw and colour in SAI, just really got used to it, but I export through PS, because I can trim and rescale the end image without losing too much quality. But the problem is that when I port export my project from SAI into PS, I lose lighting, the luminosity effect appears to be much less noticable than in SAI. Any way I can fix his? Copying layer on top of another layer doesn't do anything, even though that kind of technique usually works in SAI.

>>2607895
mcdonald's
use free time to study
or you could go the dishonorable route and rake in cash with furry porn

>>2604849
post a lot and follow a lot of people

>>2600956

best physical medium for studying color theory? Colored pencils, oil, gouache, watercolors, pastels, colored charcoal, pens, acrylics, drinking water and injecting dye into your bladder and pissing all over white bedsheets with a chair?

Do you think that ultimately everything should be drawn from the shoulder? Sure, finger action seems sufficiently accurate compared to writs fuckery, but shoulder is even bet, right? So it's a question of building accuracy until you can just use the shoulder for details as well?

How do you train to do lineart/ink over a sketch? I want to find some sort of training for this exact purpose, fallowing an existing line instead of just learning how to lay down curves and straight lines.

Are mechanical pencils significantly more expensive when it comes to exploitation? I mean the graphite sticks they use, are they more expensive than the equivalent of a simple pencil?

Where can I find clutch pencils that are thicker than a pen? I have big fingers and after a while of handling the tool I start to struggle a bit with anything smaller than half an inch in thickness. I think I saw some steel ones for architects and engineers, but dunno what to google search to find them.

Has anyone got a basic schedule for a beginner assuming they can study for 7 hours a day on week days and 12 hours on week ends.

I'm super serious. Just that I've been going back and forth from learning anatomy to drawabox to cltr paint. Just feels like I'm throwing stuff on a dartboard.

>>2608138

What are some end-goals, or long-term goals you have? If none, you won't last long. Find some. Once you do, figure out what you should focus on between point A (now) and point B (goal). Do that.

anyone have a link to the site with a huge list of art streams?

>>2605267
It connects directly to the top of the labia minora. The hood plus the lips are like a hooded cape basically.

Is i3 enough for streaming Photoshop or should I get an i5 instead?

Does anybody know how to deal with having an object going toward the foreground and some certain angles?

I can't for the life of me figure this out.

Whenever an item needs to go to the foreground or the background while facing straight my mind always bend it a bit, like it can't seem to figure out how to see it. (like a finger pointing towards the foreground)

Any idea what could be done to remedy to this? I'm stumped.

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I'm studying anatomy right now but I'd like to improve my inking and control too.
Should I just focus on one thing at a time or should I begin doing all my studies in felt pen?
If I do that how can I finish the study without the construction lines getting in the view (obviously with a pencil I can go light with the construction lines and press with the finals, it's all the same darkness with pen)?


>>2609960
I know it's a hit to the wallet but the i5 is worth it if your streaming since OBS takes up so many fucking CPU cycles, don't fall for the K(you won't be OCing) or i7 meme though
>>2610065
Find the perspective lines and move it along them, read Perspective Made Easy if you haven't
>>2608183
http://livestreamstatuslist.appspot.com/
and Picarto
>>2608069
Do it again with Hampton's book, it covers literally everything and does it very well
>>2607902
anon pls I want it too
>>2603571
A good method I've found is to draw waifus on /v/, it gives you easy material/ideas with lots of refs and they'll just suck you off over it even if it's bad because your still getting used to it

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any recommendations for acrylic painting sites/videos? I'm a bit rusty.

>>2603571
I always put a piece of paper on my tablet, makes it feel a bit better, but in general you just need to get used to it.

>>2608098
Pens or pencils, for convenience.

Paint teaches you about mixing colours better, so I'd say acrylic paint once you've got the basics.

Does anyone have any tips for drawing chainmail? It doesn't quite hang like normal cloth, because it's stretchy, heavy and a little stiff. Also, the surface detail is very complex and hard to get right.

How do you get into making a business out of art? Feng Zhu talked about how in college he and some friends made a design studio and how now he owns a good amount of studios but I don't think he's gone over the details of setting one up in any of his videos. I'd assume you just get a group of people together and work to tackle freelance jobs but how do you make a brand, get your name out there, etc.?

I wanted to start commissions but I don't know how to price it. People say the commissions in DA are often under priced and fast food style menus, but what's an example of a better styled commission sheet?

>>2611363
price of materials + (time x hourly rate) x 2 or alternatively, price of materials + daily rate x 2.

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What is considered harder art, making music be it with instrument or with DAW or drawing painting..
and if you were doing both and dropped one of them do you regret your choice by picking up art?

I am at road block, I want to master, if possible an instrument but also git gud at art, how do I do this

>>2611384
you just do it. I sew and draw. it's NBD

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>>2611384
It depends on you. I am fairly confident that I have a natural inclination for music, but I want to learn how to draw. Music will come easier for me if I focus on it, I'm pretty confident of that, but visual art is worth fighting to learn for me. It might be the opposite for you.

>>2611380
This looks very expensive, doesn't that afraid the clients ?

>>2611384
depends on the instrument, depends on the kind of painting you do

comparing a digital artist from the porn thread to a symphony composer would be as pointless as comparing a punk rocker to an hyperrealist painter

>>2611422
Guess you have a point

>>2611412
Do you want to make a living wage? This also weeds out the shit that makes your artistic life miserable. How much would you sell something for?

>>2611384

I played various instruments for about a decade, mostly guitar. If you want to 'master' one, you're probably going to have to drop the other. 2 hours a day is plenty enough to get good at an instrument though, provided you understand how to practice efficiently and you do it every day. You won't be Steve Vai any time soon, if ever, but you'll get good enough to be a serviceable musician after a few years.

I don't really regret dropping music, because it wasn't something I was ever passionate enough about to make something out of. I got pretty good, but every time I'd pick up my guitar, or saxophone, or sit down at a piano, I would feel totally drained and awful. I was forcing myself to do it because I just wanted to be good at something for the sake of it. I enjoy practicing art, so even if I'm older and I'm not very good at it yet, it makes more sense to train in something I can put more serious work into without burning myself out. You'll never get good at something if you don't enjoy putting work into it. Maybe I could've learned to enjoy practicing music now that I'm more mature, but I already had too much negativity and frustration associated with it.

Either way, time is your most precious resource. Most people have a hard enough time putting the hours into one thing. If you really want to master something, you'll need every waking hour of spare time, so I'd say just pick one and devote yourself to it. You can get good at both, but you'll never master both.

>>2611437
that's what I have been thinking as well, but when I come to /ic/ I sometimes feel envy, like "damn I want to draw like that, or that" even if its shit, by /ic/ standards

>>2611436
>weeds out the shit that makes your artistic life miserable.

This. If you draw enough you become the "artist friend" in any group you're in, and everyone feels entitled to ask you for free/cheap stuff or tell their friends who are looking for help on projects about their artist friend. Best to nip it in the bud by sending them your rates.

i want to dab at painting again since the last time i painted something that wasnt a scale of gray was in highschool. are acryllics good to restart? also cheap brushes where?

>>2611449
yes and micheals/ac moore/hobby lobby/blick/utrecht student grade/in packs use a fucking coupon.

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What do I need to learn to draw my own porn?

Anatomy?

>>2611480
Construction, perspective, anatomy, colouring and shading.
Start with construction and perspective. You can work on anatomy later, just use references for now to fuck up the anatomy less.

>>2611484
Is there any source in the wiki that include these topics? Or good books that I should look into?

>>2611485
The wiki has all of the needed info, just start with Loomis' Fun with a pencil. It'll teach you about basic construction.

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>>2611486
thanks anon

>>2611495
Babelab has also some helpful tips for creating appealing girls, but definitely learn the basics before that.

>>2608086
Why do you import it into photoshop anyways? Couldn't you just export the image as PNG and then open it up in photoshop?

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>>2607524
let him feel the form. wink wonk

>>2603718
I think Facebook only works when you already have an established base. It's hard to get noticed on Facebook without shelling out some money for an ad, which even then isn't guaranteeing you more likes. Plus Facebook has a huge problem with art theft in general, and last I remember, it converts all your pictures to a low quality jpg picture when you upload something.

>>2600956
I have a really big problem. We can say that I "can't control my hand", I have a really hard time drawing circles or curved lines, even if I have to trace a face I fail hard at replicatying those lines. Is this normal? Are there some exercises to improve my precision?

>>2611532
I'm using a cracked copy of SAI and it won't export with transparency.

>>2611557
SAI doesn't do transparency anyway, take it to PS and use the Autoselect by colourpicker thing, select white and it should select all the white in the page then hit Ctrl+X to delete

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Is butchers/packing paper the same thing as newsprint?
Newsprint and toned paper both seem to be fucking hard to find in my area at an affordable price, but brown or white butchers/packing paper is cheap as shit.
I just don't want to accidentally buy the wrong thing and be forced to give everyone plain wrapped gifts every christmas until I die.

is there any real reason to watch streams? do you learn anything or is it mostly people just wanting attention for a couple hours?

>>2613109
the difference is the texture

How do i get more motivated to draw? I try to draw as much as I can but often get frustrated whenever I attempt to construct and fail. I know I can get better with practice but I find drawing frustrating sometimes.

I've been on a computer for 8+ hours a day since i was 10, and now I'm on an IT job that requires 5 or 6.

I've almost saved up enough for a Cintiq but I don't think my eyes are gonna survive this kind of lifestyle. I can't even get the meme glasses because the amber tint would fuck up the coloring process of any piece.

What should I do?

>>2613406
I always get motivated when I realize there are pieces i'd like to see that don't exist yet. Draw whatever you feel should exist but doesn't, even if it's not good, you will make it better and better each time.

>>2613371
A bit of both

>>2613764
This. Also if you get a cool idea randomly through the day, write it down in detail
I have tons of stuff thanks to this that I want but haven't drawn because I'm lazy

>>2613764
>What should I do?
Traditional art

>>2613850
But anon, the Patreonbux are on pretentious filtered tumblr style overrated art, not on pencil and paper :^)

>>2613862

People still like pencil and paper! Just remember to photograph it from a retarded angle and keep the pencils you used in frame ;D

I don't really enjoy drawing anymore. whenever i try to draw something for fun like a character or place I get frustrated because it never comes out as envisioned. I know this is because I should practice more but when trying to improve by doing a study or something technical I find it to be really monotonous and can only do it for a short period of time before I want to kill myself. Is there any other way or is this just how it is for everybody? Will it get better once I reach a higher level of mastery or am I always going to feel this way?

http://detstwo.com/sai/

Is this a safe place to download sai?

>>2613375

Would it still be appropriate for drawing? Just for junky study shit that I wouldn't want to eat up more pricey paper with.

>>2613918
You will never be satisfied with your art, because you made it. You will always bear the burdens of its mistakes and problems, no matter how many facebook drones go "wow, amazing work anon!!!"

Stop sitting down with the expectation of doing something awesome. Disassociate your success from the quality of the work, at least while you're doing it. If you do more work, it will get better. When it's time to draw, you should sit down and draw with the goal of "I am going to draw for 1 hour now" and nothing else. You sit down, draw for 1 hour, GREATO SUCCESS.

That's all.

Once you're done, analyse your work so you know the areas you need to focus on improving the most. But don't go back to sitting down to draw something amazing. Just sit down to draw for X amount of time, and focus on doing that.

>>2613918

same here dude, it's really an uncomfortable feeling

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every time i draw or paint i only haft finish it
>how do the i take off this habits?

any simple exercises or resources for stupid people to learn geometric shapes without reading scott robertson?

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So I'm really lost guys. Let's say that I'm not a total beginner but I never put actual thought in my drawings. Some of the books reccomended in the front page are too specific, I need something to improve my general ability as an artist, something to give me enough technique to start specific studies like anatomy, perspective and such. Please, somebody can suggest me some book or exercise? I tried doing some upside down exercise but I don't know if I can go with them forever.

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>>2614289
>learn geometric shapes
I'm not sure what you mean by that, but anyways...
For starters, you could build some basic shapes out of cardboard and draw them a bunch of times from life.
Pic related, from Ernest Watson's perspective book.
He advises to draw each carefully about 50 times from various angles. Pick up his book if you can.

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Beginner... Just fuck my shit up. I wanna git gud, should I just keep grinding life drawings until something clicks? I'm not aiming to take shortcuts or anything, I'm willing to do all the work, just curious if that's the acceptable way to do it as a beginner

>>2614169
>how do the i take off this habits?

You finish it.

What is the best book on colored pencil, must of painting books/color theory teaches how to pain with watercolor/whatever, but none on colored pencil

>>2614347
Just draw with pencil and paper and try to get more flowing attractive lines. Let lines be incomplete sometimes, no need to have a solid outline around the whole thing. Focus on feeling the forms, and overlapping forms. Copy drawings by great artists. Sketch random objects on your desk, break them down into simple geometric forms.

>>2614503
Thank you good man, but would it be the same if I draw on a graphic monitor? I really love digital art, that's why I'd like to get comfortable drawing digital

>>2614510
The feeling might be slightly different, but overall is pretty much the same.

>>2614073
Go to cgpersia, anon.

>>2613098
Well, the other cracked versions of SAI that I used had transperancy, the only downside was that the crack would expire after a certain amount of time.
Also, I can't just export to .png and then just cut out the background, because I have certain layers that are transparent and need to have a that transperancy instead of having a whitened background behind them.
Still, thanks for the suggestion.

>>2615392
>the crack would expire after a certain amount of time
Then you haven't actually cracked it then, I've had cracked SAI for 2 years without any problems
Follow the uploader's instructions on exactly how to crack it, yes this includes that code generator that plays the loud music

Question for the pros and good artists. Does the shakiness of drawing from the shoulder/elbow go away after some time?

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have any artist made a more indepth study on racial differences? and not only between races but also differences in races?
I seen a few actual serious racial biology observation but that's not really what i'm going for but more like picture related but more indeept?

>>2615412
yeah absolutely. keep on working on your lines

and you know not drink caffeine helps

>>2615410
I've done all of that, I've even tried applying some cracks to portable versions, where you don't have to fuck around with the registry or patch anything, but it would still break at some point in time. The only version of SAI that has been properly working for me is the 1.1.0 which can't output transparent images.

How much sleeping pills do you need to end yourself? Can you simply get them off the internet? Just curious.

>>2614119
I'd say yes, it's great for dry media, though you won't get that smooth Proko gradation. Get the brown one and work from dark to light as well.

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TWO QUESTIONS

I draw from 11 00 to 14 00 and then rest and then from 16 30 to 20 00 every day I can, but I'm realizing I'm bored when I rest, I come to /ic/ and see some great drawings and just want to keep drawing, playing video games is no longer interesting, what other activities can I do to prevent myself from just drawing and burning myself out of motivation?

What real size are kim jung gis figures/heads?

I use a 0.3 fountain ink pen to draw, but when I draw small faces the lines feel too thick and sometimes destroy the drawing because I can't add detail and the contour is too tick.

Does he use a huge as fuck canvas for drawings like OP pic?

I've appreciated most threads in which the OP posts themselves per anon's request. I'm considering making my own thread, also providing some clothing props (like shoes, suit-like outfits, etc) if wanted. I have an unconventional face that I would be posting as well, even with nudity.

However, I don't want to be that guy that essentially ends up provoking more and more people to post themselves on /ic/, diluting the amount of /soc/-like posters and limiting the space for art threads.

What are your thoughts, /ic/?

How long does it take for you guys to produce your better illustration? From the moment you start gathering reference until the piece is finished I mean.

>>2614485
I remember Feng mentioned something about this, this video of his should be able to help you out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrbfOpIP_UY

>>2611540
Level up! is alright.

>>2601106
Motherfucking zedig's brushes

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Doing such a pristine job when drawing lineart makes me so tired. I get tired of it really quickly and I just save it so I can work on it later.
But at the same time, I can't do a imperfect job, it drives me nuts.
Anyone else has this problem?

>>2615723
I would say work with a higher resolution

>>2615728
I already do, the image in question was looking shitty because I screenshoot a portion of the image.

Is the Surface Pro 4 a good device to get if I'm getting into drawing?
Getting a new laptop anyway so a Surface Pro 4 sounds like a good choice

I hate drawing from life. How much is learning from photo reference or other artist's drawings going to make a negative impact?

For background, I have a base of 10 years life drawing and would like to continue with just photo ref if that's not the dumbest idea ever.

>>2615816
just keep drawing photos for 10 more years

>>2615816

Master copies have always been a fundamental exercise in realist art. It has no negative impact at all, quite the opposite. I think life drawing literally gives your work more life though. It keeps you honest and it will be forever challenging until the day you die.

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Kind of a specific question
Why does rimlight tend to ignore the local color of an object?
Everywhere I see rimlight its bright white, or blue, or yellow, or whatever with no hint of the skintone or local color in the rimlight color.

Pic related is on muddycolors

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>>2615866

Because the look is based on 80's/90's cinematography which used a lot of colored gel in high contrast light situations.

>>2615863
>and it will be forever challenging until the day you die.
this may be a fact.

>>2615866
You have absolutely NO idea how light works do you?

There is no "local color" or whatever the fuck you're talking about. The color is determined by how much of the visible light is absorbed by the material and how much get's reflected back out. Which is the color you see.

If the color that get's reflected back isn't present in the light being cast onto the material then it won't be reflected at all... because it wasn't there in the first place.

As for white rim lighting, if you flood the material with enough light it won't absorb enough of any one distinct light waves and so much of it get's reflected off no distinct colors are visible. You get all of them. Hence white.

This is why when you mix two compliment colors it turns to shit. The light hitting the two pigments get's absorbed and what get's reflected is indistinguishable. Technically, in a perfect world, that brown should be neutral grey. Except we don't. Our brain makes shit up on it's own (aka purple) and there are a shit ton of non-visible light that also plays a part in what we see. In fact, MOST light we see isn't part of the visible spectrum.

>>2615888
Is that a yes or no

>>2615851
I can't tell if that's a sarcastic reply, but that's the plan.

>>2615863
I was asking about doing only master studies with no life drawing, but I agree. I also agree about life drawing giving more life. I just find it more boring than other forms of study, and it shows in my work.

>>2615928

Well, I honestly don't enjoy most forms of life drawing either. But I found avenue so to speak which I enjoy immensely and that is digital landscape painting. I use a iPad and a cheap rubber stylus with no pressure sensitivity. After a few weeks of doing this regularily I found that my "regular" life drawings where much improved. Just try finding something that makes it more fun basically, it's worth a shot atleast

>>2615888
>There is no "local color" or whatever the fuck you're talking about.
You cannot lecture someone on light when you don't even know what local colour is.

>>2615930
Thanks for bringing that up. I can keep looking for ways. I've tried iPad landscapes with a rubber stylus, too! They were blurry and hard to get form with because of the big blobby way of painting (even with zooming in). Did you find a way around that? What app do you use?

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>>2615938

Well, I don't know what you count as blurry and blobby but this is what I'm able to achieve with Procreate. I actually like the rubber tip because it has some grip on the surface and forces me to simplify a lot. I've tried a few different brands of stylus pens though and not all where equal. The ones I use cost me about $8 which isn't too bad.

>>2615888
Kek thanks for the detailed reply

>>2615945
I think that looks great. I was using the Brushes app, and looking at the user made images on that, they're all blurry, so maybe it was the app. I was also using a cheapo pen, so I'll try some other ones. Thanks for all the info.

>>2615988

You're welcome. I can't recommend Procreate enough, the UI and the preset brushes are great. As a Photoshop user everything is where I expect it to be more or less.

How should I be approaching faces/heads? Learning construction along life drawing? I'm really not getting it.

>>2601881
From practice its best to do the subject first. If you draw the subject first than make the perspective off of the subject you wont mess with the perspective.

Basically set the height, width, an distance of other objects based off of the subject and you wont mess with the perspective. Drawing everything at once will fuck everything up unless you're Kim Jung Gi.

can anyone post a meme here on /ic/ about a red head guy holding a book that "loomis" and a child .. please and thank you

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What are some reasons for starting a new tumblr account from scratch?

I want to one day create a more professional and anonymous persona online and the problem with my former tumblr was that I showed it to people irl, and many people online knew who I was. At first, I didn't think that was bad, but I was told in order to move on to something, you have to dissociate yourself with drama and what not. It's discouraging to have some followers to none, and also, I have no artwork to show people irl anymore, unless its from my sketchbook.

>>2616235

Loomis head construction (see Proko's youtube vid on the subject) + drawing from life, reference and copying other artists. You'll develop a visual library over time

>>2616730

That's /ic/-tan (I think his name's D/ic/k?)
I don't have it but someone should, and if not that'll probably help you find it anyway.

>>2615934
>the natural color of a thing in ordinary daylight, uninfluenced by the proximity of other colors.
Which... has nothing at all to do with the person I quoted said.

"why does rim light ignore the local color...." Which means there is CLEARLY more lightthan natural daylight... meaning local color can only be present if there is no other light source, such as rim lighting.

The concept of "local color" is one of lighting. The quoted person implies they thing "local color" is just the color of an objects and not the results of a specific type of light interaction.

This is backed up by the fact most rim lighting is usually depicted in dark scenes... which have no natural white light.

Which of course if you paid the fuck attention you would notice the quotations around local color, as it was obvious anon didn't know what it meant.

>>2615416
I learned the differences in race by studying forensic science, mainly putting together a John or Jane Doe from a skull.

I'll see if I can find the PDF.

What is proper "pencil posture"? After reading that one should draw with the whole arm for sweeping lines I've noticed that my range of motion is limited by the way I draw with my hand resting on the paper. Should I draw with my hand lifted off of the paper? And recommendations on how to hold a pencil/pen?

>>2604578
I highly doubt that that you are still here, but the thread is to help anyone that would need it so I can post something.

I was going through a time where my inking was shitting all over my artwork as well. Here is a video that helped me with that problem, cause it looks like you had the same problem as me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX4SZwhU_dc

Like everything else shit's going to take practice but damn does it help. Also his other tutorials are fucking godly as well... IF you're technical skill is up to snuff that is.

>>2616896
sorry homie wrong video, though that one helps as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0zl5NnEAyU

Would you guys recommend practicing with just a sketchbook or investing in one of those wacom tablets to plug into my PC

>>2616913
if you don't know how to draw, fill up a couple sketchbooks with the basics

once you've built confidence and are ready to start rendering, buy a tablet. if you would feel more comfortable working at your computer desk, buy a tablet.

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>>2616940
I know some basics, I was told to start with anatomy and then everything else will be pretty easy or "fit" together better. So I've been looking into some figure sketching/drawing pin ups. Current reference

>>2616946
I'd also recommended learning some construction, it will help you with the proper proportions and measurements of the body along with the anatomy

New to this. Just downloaded Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and I'm in the process of downloading Keys to Drawing.

Should I be actually reading the book or just zooming straight to exercises? I'm reading nothing other than a few snippets and here and there and then fully reading my instructions for the exercise at hand.

Thank you in advance!

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Im interested in trying out alternative style and dont know what to go with. Which one looks most promising from up to down?(i just can turn the image for some reason)
Also never drawing that autistic face again as seen on 3rd figure, animu eyes are not for me i guess.

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>>2617021
Posting this, its what 3rd was supposed to be, this one was bit more successful

>>2603110
>review on inverse square law
Dude.. not trying to bring anybody down but
Seriously?
Inverse square laws are one of the easiest things to understand. I suppose it is good to review so you know it inside and out but damn I wasn't expecting that at all

>>2616852

Christ you're a fucking spastic.

>>2615555


Quads don't deserve an answer or what?

>>2616852

All colour is the result of a specific type of light interaction. That's what colour is.
Local colour DOES refer to the colour of an object independent of lighting factors. If I photograph a banana under a red light, it will appear more or less red, but the local colour is still, and always will be, yellow, no matter what insane lighting conditions it's under. To say there is no local colour makes no fucking sense.
The fact that you're too autistic and abrasive to interpret what was being asked is your own failing. Obviously local colour won't be present in a rim light, anon was acknowledging that by the very nature of asking why that is. Obviously he has no idea how light works, that's why he's asking the fucking question, you mongoloid. It's a shame because, to a certain degree, you obviously know what you're talking about, but it's obscured under such needless vitriol, arrogance and absolutely abysmal communication that it's essentially worthless. I already knew all this information and it took like 3 reads to figure out what the fuck you were trying to say.

>>2615563
Bump

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How do I use a soft brush over a contrasting color without the edges getting all dark in Clip Studio Paint?

How good is Lazy Nezumi?
Anyone got a full version download?

>>2617246

Pretty shit compared to the built in features of CSP. Yes it's on cgpeers

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is nosebro dead? i haven't seen his shitposts in a while. kinda miss them

Can anyone recommend me a good tablet? I don't really know anything about tablets but I'd like to get into digital. My son was telling me to get an iPad but for some reason I don't believe that's the best option. Money is not an issue. I'd like something with a bigger screen. Thanks a lot!

Has anyone found any good use for the Photoshop bristle brushes? They are supposedly made to mimic traditional tools but they all feel like shit and look like shit to me. Am I doing something wrong or are they useless?

>>2617324
There is a tablet guide in the sticky.

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sorry im a newbie who uses photoshop, i saw a drawing and wanted to ask if anyone knows how to go about applying "light" to skin to get such a smooth look such as this pic

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>>2617386
or this, is it a brush or setting or what ever?

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cross posting from another thread on /diy/
>>>/diy/1027940

you guys might know more about diamond coated rifflers and rafflers for stone carving shaping and filing.

can you recommend me what I should get if I were to spend ~200 on rifflers and rafflers alone?
http://www.stonesculptorssupplies.com/New-site-pgs/Hand-tool-pgs/rifflers.html
thanks a bunch !!

>>2616959
buuuuump

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Ok, there was an image tutorial that talks about using curves to plan out your gradients. While that's great and all, I got really confused.
I was looking through my old warhammer, and this really cool lighting scenario happened, with the nice warm light and the blue skylight. I snapped a picture and got color picking. And what I found was exactly those curves the tutorial was talking about. But what was interesting was the direction the curves went.
Scheme 1 does a J curve, scheme 2 does a U curve, and scheme 3 does a sort of S curve.

When I'm planning out a gradient map, how do I determine which direction I curve or the shape of the curve? I'm not even sure if there's a "correct" answer, but I'd like to hear what you guys have to say.

>>2617611
Blue sky light reflects off of glossy black surfaces really well. So the black curve goes saturated when bending towards the sky light. With the matte Caucasian skin tone the blue color in the skylight is nullified a bit, so it bends towards gray instead.

Scheme 3 is dealing with a bloody colored shadow area due to subsurface scattering so it stays more towards the saturated end.

>>2617388
Soft brushes, with transfer on PS

>>2617597

Ignore Betty.

Acquire Keys to Drawing instead.

>>2617625
You explain that just one step further?
So the material the object is made up of determines the curve? So more revlective objects will have a U curve as they can preserve saturation. And more matt objects will have a backwards C curve as they dont preserve saturation?

So reflected light is more saturated on reflective objects and less saturated (more neutral) on matt objects?

>>2617950
I've never thought about this curve idea so I don't know how consistent the curve shape is based on matte/gloss alone.

But a matte object is basically scattering the light more, so the reflections aren't as intense. So the more matte an object is, the less colored light it will generally reflect. The highlights will be less intense and closer to the base color than a glossy object usually.

But in addition to that, the skin is a warm color, which basically means that it is reflecting warm light waves and absorbing cool light waves. I think this is also a factor in why the blue light isn't as saturated on the skin as on the figure.

Black absorbs all light waves, so maybe it isn't as biased? White certainly likes to take on the color of it's surroundings.

A painter might intuitively arrive at these curves anyway, since you don't need to go for a true blue when you are painting near warm colors. A gray will appear blueish when you paint it on peachy and reddish skin. But to get a highlight to look blue on a black object, you probably have to put more blue into it. If you use the same gray as on the skin it might look a bit warmer when on the black object.

>>2617950
Different anon, but I think you may be trying to over generalize. It's not just the material that will affect what colors appear where, but also the local color of the object and the color and intensity of the light sources.

The other issue with your curves is that you're ignoring hue shifts. Scheme 2 isn't just something becoming more saturated, but something going from a warmer color to a cooler color.

>So more revlective objects will have a U curve as they can preserve saturation.
Not necessarily. Remember that we have a blue secondary light. Imagine that the secondary light had the same qualities as the primary light. It would instead look like the start of a U going down and to the left, then reverse it's way back up along a similar path up and to the right.

>So reflected light is more saturated on reflective objects and less saturated (more neutral) on matt objects?
Do you mean bounce light or secondary light sources? Either way it is a light source and the color of the light source relative to the local color of the object will affect what you see in the end.

Let's ignore subsurface scattering and take the example of sunlight on a figure. Ignore blue skylight too. You might find that some shadowed areas are more saturated than others, depending on if they're receiving bounce light from other lit areas of skin. You might have the underside of the chin receiving bounce light from the upward facing planes around the upper chest area. That bounce light is skin colored, amplifying the skin color present in the shadows leading to a more saturated shadow.

Think about what each of your light sources is doing independently, then realize that they additively stack on top of each other to get what you see in the end. You could even use photoshop to isolate the affects of each individual light source, then using various layer modes and opacities stack them together to get a decent approximation of the end result.

>>2615866
Rimlights have a strong specular component. Specular reflections are more 'mirror-like' in that it shows the color of the light source more-so than a diffuse reflection. This means that a blue rim light will still look blue - at least bluer than it would than if it were angled to show off more diffuse than specular reflections.

How do I feel more positive about my art?

>inb4 get gud

>>2617987
Learn to enjoy the process instead of focusing on the end result.

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Yesterday I painted 7 hours easy and relaxed.
Today, the total lack of motivation and depression. I cant even keep the pen in hand. A feeling like I forgot how to draw.
What should I do anon?

>>2618058
hold my hands and let us draw together anon.

>>2618058

Accept that you're probably going to make shit drawings today and that's okay. Set a goal that doesn't feel overwhelming, in fact it should sound almost too easy. Set a timer on 10 minutes and during that time just draw stuff from life around your house. Maybe a chair or a soda can or something. Something simple and ugly. Tell yourself that you only need to do 10 minutes of drawing today and pat yourself on the back after you've done it no matter what the outcome. As long as you've done your best effort during those 10 minutes you have accomplished your goal. When you have low motivation and discipline it's best to start small.

>>2617987

what he said >>2618000

Also focus on what you've learned, and what you're learning during the process. Treat it like solving a series of small puzzles and acknowledge every time you solve a piece. And when you struggle, step back and problem solve rather than paralysing yourself by thinking you're just not good enough.
Break things down pragmatically and focus on your own journey of improvement, don't worry too much about the years ahead of you, or the people who are years ahead of you. A thousand mile journey begins with a single step.

>>2618069
Thank you, bro.

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>>2617965
>>2617966
Thanks you guys for being patient with me.
By the way, here's that curve idea that I saw in a tutorial somewhere here.
>So the more matte an object is, the less colored light it will generally reflect. The highlights will be less intense and closer to the base color than a glossy object usually.
That makes sense

>But in addition to that, the skin is a warm color, which basically means that it is reflecting warm light waves and absorbing cool light waves. I think this is also a factor in why the blue light isn't as saturated on the skin as on the figure.
Hmm, I get what you're saying. If there was a warm secondary light in place of the blue skylight, then -theoretically- it should become more saturated? I say theoretically as I can't really test it irl at them moment.

>Different anon, but I think you may be trying to over generalize.
I'm using generalization to understand the subject in it's most simplest form. I agree, though, that I am probably going a bit too far.

> You might find that some shadowed areas are more saturated than others, depending on if they're receiving bounce light from other lit areas of skin.
But wouldn't the shadow be brighter? Both the saturation and the value would be high right?

Sorry guys about the million questions. It's just I wish I could turn into a 3d rendering software, zone out, and just render away. There just seems to be so many little variables that go into color and light. In comparison to the rules of straight black and white value.

Anyone used water mixable oils? I paint with wc/gouache mostly, but I love the look of oils, I've just never used them because I don't like the idea of all the messy/toxic solvents and junk. But water mixable oils are on sale at Utrecht so I was thinking of giving them a go, eyeing the Winsor Newton beginner set.
Would standard oil art instruction still generally apply?

Space is also a concern. Stack sheets of wc paper somewhere, no problem, but oils will need to be on canvas right? Maybe it's just not to be right now.

>>2618190
Oil-based and water-mixable dry so close, almost no one can tell the difference. Water Oils do what they say, you can clean and thin them with water. They mix exactly like Oil-based paints and accept the same mediums.

The only thing you're missing out on is the range of colors already out in Oil Paint.
If you're worried about toxins, buy yourself some Gamsol. 100% Mineral Spirits that isn't toxic just really flammable. So I'd recommend investing in a metal trash bin. Turpentine is trash, don't even bother.

Oils can also be used on gesso'd hardboard, cardboard, illustration board, wood, and even metal. As long as it's gesso'd it'll be alright.

Is there any difference between drawing a picture of my face and using a mirror to draw my face?

I'm also using a viewfinder if it makes any difference.

pls resbond

>>2618188
>But wouldn't the shadow be brighter? Both the saturation and the value would be high right?
It'll only be a little brighter, but noticeably more saturated. The bouncelight from skin is still substantially weaker than the sunlight hitting the lit areas. The value of the areas hit by bouncelight should still appear darker than the darkest darks in the lit areas (and in scenarios where it isn't, you can make it that way just to have your forms and larger value shapes read easily).

>>2617139
Also wondering this

>>2618234
Drawing from life is more useful if you want to learn something and challenge yourself, but you should probably try both ways at some point.

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A company I did free work for before is selling my art without my permission. They said it was a mistake. Do I burn bridges and ask them to remove all work I've ever done for them, or just the offending work?

I did the free work to be able to put it on my resume, and I'd lose that by cutting ties. Plus possibly receive bad word of mouth from a mid-sized company. Is the (possibly) accidental theft bad enough that I should cut all ties?

>>2618303

Do you think that a potential employer is going to call them up and ask about the work you did for them? Just put it in your portfolio. Geez

>>2618316
So, cut ties and keep it in my portfolio? But what about all that "art world is so small, everyone knows everyone" stuff?

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>>2617139
How do you intend opposite colors to blend into each other?

>>2618188
>If there was a warm secondary light in place of the blue skylight, then -theoretically- it should become more saturated? I say theoretically as I can't really test it irl at them moment.

hmm it would be interesting to test. I would expect it to be more saturated on the skin than the grayish tones created by the blue sky light. But probably still not as saturated as the mid tone colors. Depends on how close it is too. Skylight is a very diffused light.

It would also be interesting to get the black figure in there again also. There might be something about black in particular that reflects blue really well. You see it happen on very dark skinned people too. While highlights from skylight on a pale person often seems more like a pink or lavender. In a lot of older languages the word for black and blue were actually the same. Maybe there is something funky with physics going on there.

>>2618303
Was there some sort of agreement that said they had full rights to do what they want with the art once you hand it over?
Does giving them free work allow them to sell it to customers? Would it be possible to negotiate a percentage of the sold art that goes straight to you?

>I did the free work to be able to put it on my resume
First mistake. Never and I mean never work for free. I bet they promised you "exposure" too?

I would say remove the work that they were selling without your permission unless you both can come to an agreement.
Unless you're really close with these guys I personally would consider pressing charges. They took your art for free, selling it, and calling it a "mistake"? If it were me I'd be outraged.

Who cares if they spread bad word, they're probably a local literally-who company anyway. As long as you say that they sold art without permission no one is going to think badly of you. It's their fault, bro.

>>2618351
>some sort of agreement
The contract gave them permission to display the art but not to sell it. They did give me the option of selling it, but I didn't agree to the contract, because it wasn't fair ("get one dollar and we can do whatever we want with your art forever").

>I bet they promised you "exposure" too?
Yes. The statistics they gave me for my artwork indicated millions of hits, but I finally got analytics, and my website hasn't gotten any hits. They also promised future paid work. I only did it because I'd been unemployed, and I thought having something on my resume would be better than nothing, even if I didn't get paid. They're a subsidiary of a multi-billion dollar company, so no one has reason to believe my story over theirs. It would prevent me from ever working with any of this company's branches.

>would consider pressing charges.
It's spare change and not enough to sue over. I am mad. That's the reason I'm asking here, because I can't think objectively about it. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter.

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>>2617139
dont tell anyone else about this, its my secret technique to clean colour blending
you can try to find the equivalent on your inferior software (if an option even exists)

bit of theory behind it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKnqECcg6Gw

>>2617654 i love you

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>>2618378
you should become my wife

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>>2618339
Ok so I did a bunch of testing.
Let me explain this fucking image.

It basically confirms our suspicions as well as a few other things.
Focusing on the Model's Curves, we can see that all of the curves go from Left to Right. The Orange curve being the most saturated, and the orange curve represents the model on the blue shirt. The least saturated curve (purple curve) was a result of the blue skylight, and the only reasoning behind it being so desaturated is because skylight is very diffused which loses a lot of its own strength. The green curve (red reflected light) also shows that even a warm color can be very saturated on a black surface.

Now, moving onto the skin, we have two backwards C curves and an L curve. The most saturated one (green/yellow) is the one with the red reflected light. The next most saturated is the one with natural skylight (light blue). Then the L curve is the one with the reflected blue shirt light (purple).

Basically, this confirms that:
1. The local color of an object determines whether or not the reflected light will be saturated. A warm-colored object with warm reflected light will have more saturation in the shadow. A warm-colored object with cool reflected light will have less saturation (more neutral colors) in the shadow. The opposite for cool-colored object.

2. Dark objects such as this model or any dark-skinned person tend to have very saturated shadows, regardless of what color the reflected light is. The only variable is how strong the source is.

3. Shadows get more saturated. But as you introduce more reflected light, only those that are similar in temperature to the local color determines how saturated the shadow gets. (refer to the red reflected light against the skin vs the cool reflected light/skylight against the skin)

I think because black absorbs all of the colors, it is able to reflect light at a high saturation level. Physics may prove me wrong, but just look at the pictures. The proof is in the pudding.

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I got Krenz Cushart's figure drawing tutorial, but since it's him just doing steps not explaining it I have no idea what he uses as a 1:1 square as reference when he goes into the proportions.
Does anyone here know what the 1:1 cube is in proportion to or does anyone have experience doing this technique and could give me some tips?

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Any tips of drawing rocks or mountainsides or cliffs? Kind of like pic related. I can never seem to get the cliffs to look good.

>inb4 tumblr fag
Look guys, I just found it through google.

>>2618484
Good work, anon.

There's a lot of old art from the middle ages and pre-renaissance where the people have small faces and were blatantly disproportional. Was this stuff considered "good" back then?

>>2615563
Bump again

>>2618223

Thanks for the info!
Gamsol, is that something to only use with traditional oils, or with water-mixables as well?

I have loads of 300lb watercolour and mixed media paper, would that be too flimsy if I primed it with gesso?

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Do's and Dont's of watercolor please. new to watercolors and painting.

>>2600956
I have become too self-conscious and fearful to focus on my art.

What is the best drug for getting over it and doing art?

I am not sure if I just suck or if my tablet is not optimized.
I look at people drawing using tablets in youtube vids and they do shit i can do with a pen and paper, but on tablet it gets wobbly and the lines dot go where I want. How do i figure out if my tablet works 100% as it should?

>>2618927
Draw fast circles. Draw really slow circles. Draw a straight line very quickly, and draw one slowly (use a ruler for these).

If you see any sharp corners or unusual wobbliness, the problem could be the tablet. If it's a wacom it's often a driver issue. IIRC some drivers are more stable than others, and 6.3-63? might be the most stable.

>>2618925
when you find it, come and tell us too

>>2618929
thanks. will try.

>>2618542
1 head unit

>>2618962
Then wouldn't the height of that figure be like 3 heads tall in that pose?

>>2618932
shit, that bad, huh?

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How does one go from not having any ability in being able to draw to fairly competent in being able to get ideas from the mind to paper?

I've never drawn seriously before. Only embarrassing stick figures. I looked at the sticky but I can't fully understand what the best decision would be.

I'm going through Keys to Drawing and I'm getting really bored. Where can I actually draw and not learn to draw when I take a break from it?

>>2618484
pretty cool. Gives me some new things to look out for on my walks around the neighborhood.

Can somebody explain to me please, how long the waist needs to be.
I struggle with the problem that i draw the Pelvis and the Rip cage just too fat apart.

>>2619085
learn to measure and draw from life all you can

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I have a super retarded autistic question. Let's say i have the basics and i'm not new into this art stuff , how the fuck do i develop a style ? Is copying the drawings of my favorite artists (let's say a month for each artist) a way to do it ? Also , when do you stop hating your own style , because i don't like mine yet. I bet you see this question alot but i'm kinda stuck right now. I was thinking of finally writing a webcomic the next year , starting in january but i'm just not satisfied with the way i draw characters etc etc.

>>2619157
Literally , read the sticky , nobody will answer your question , since you can find it there , and we can't help you with the fact that you draw them too far apart. You have to fix that by yourself . Use reference and keep measuring .

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Is this book any good? Looks interesting.

>>2619538
>cover art with bad proportions and line quality
>interesting
If you can get a free pdf, maybe.

>>2619551
I think the intention of the book is to provide pose reference with general mass conception.
As it says, its function is to inspire.
That being said, his tumblr should provide as much use as the book itself, he's been at it for a minute.

>>2600956
New to scanning. How do I make scans not look like shit?

best/easiest way to torrent schoolisim classes? I have no money and need to learn from Nathan Fawkes

>>2619618
It's floating about, but hard to find.
Schoolism cracks down on popular torrent sites. They even had vids taken down from cgpeers.

>>2619214
Sounds like you don't have the basics if you ask yourself this question. The studies provided can be used on all things, including how to break down a stylize character.

In animation classes, you're even taught how to mimic other styles (since that's basically what ya' gotta do), but in order to do that you need the basics down, and then some.

If it is this troubling, try taking the self taught Schoolism. Do the Gesture course, then head over the Character Design, and then Advance Character Design to get an idea of how styles work.

>>2619618
RuTracker. The Fawkes videos aren't very good though, try Painting with Light and Color instead.

>>2619728
Its a shame too. They had the sale on recently but even still it was too much of an extra expense
>>2619741
I've got the book but I feel like I need to supplement it with something. I figured the color and light from Nathan would be closest I could get. I was also looking for composition but beggars cant be choosers. Thanks for the help

>>2619763
Just gotta bite the bullet and settle for the self taught stuff. It's good, they even leave a lot of student critiques you can view.

Question for you guys. Do I need to be a good artist to criticize art? Frankly, I've gotten in many small fights on FB, Twitter etc. saying my opinions on their work

>>2620543
You do not have to be a chef to know food tastes bad.

You do not have to be an architect to see something is wrong with the Leaning Tower of Pisa's foundation.

You do not have to be an artist to see that a picture looks bad.

>>2620543

No. It's generally good form not to give criticism unless asked for on social media though.

>>2620543

You need to know what you're talking about. You don't have to be good in practice, but you have to know some theory. And your criticism should provide advice on how to improve, not just point out flaws. Bad artists aren't bad because they can't tell the difference between a good drawing and a bad one, they're bad because being able to actually make a good drawing takes years of theory and practice.
Giving people unsolicited criticism is generally bad form, and the fact that it would ever turn into a fight says a lot about your approach. It takes two to make an argument. If you're giving genuinely useful criticism and people flip out at you, you don't need to respond and should take the hint that you're wasting your time trying to help them. Of course, I have a feeling that's not what's happening, but benefit of the doubt.

Criticise all you want in private conversation of course, but if you're going to make your opinion the artist's problem it had better be worth something, otherwise you're just being a dick.

>>2620543
this>>2620617

on social media (dA, facebook) ppl don't post for critiques, that's reserved for privet places, or forums designed around the idea of critiques (/ic/, crimson daggers)

1)Do you guys use stabilizer for outlining?

2)Does PC's monitor color affect your coloring?

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I am 19 year old guy that wants to fucking do vidya games, and I got a chance to become an intern at a game dev studio making a game right now, NDA and all and if I go through with this I might even go to E3's and all that together with the team later.

The problem is that I am basically shit and the only reason why I have this chance is because I broed up with one of the lead devs and he really likes the fact that I've played through shit like Ultima series and Wizardry even though I am young.

I am complete shit tier, got my wacom like 2 years ago and barely trained in that period and what I did was mostly characters for my tabletop campaigns.

I will start working there somewhere in mid august, and I will mostly do environmental concept art, something that I am basically completely unfamiliar with. On one hand all of this is great because I will finally get motivation to train constantly and experienced artists to help me out, but on the other hand I don't want to go in like a fresh faggot that will slow down any assignment he is given.

Basically what I am asking for is some sort of a crash course on environmental concept art, mostly cities because that's where majority of the game is set. I fully understand that I need to practice my volumes, lighting, color theory etc.. in general for any sort of art but right now I need something that will prepare me for basics.

Should I just practice from pictures of cities? The problem with that is that I also need the speed because it's concept art and lots of assignments a day and composition ingenuity because I will at least partially help with the look and feel of the city by helping other artists that do that...right?

Fuck me, please help me out and guide me on the right path.

>>2621398
Also I have additional pressure because I am in a country that has never produce a single proper vidya in it's entire existence and this might be the first. All of the guys here worked at other dev studios abroad and got enough experience to pull this shit off and on top of that all of them seems to actually love vidya...and they are not casuals.

I want this to work, then I can proudly say that I took part in vidya history for my country.

I wanna go through the sticky and train my fundamentals but I think I don't really need fun with a pencil and keys to drawing. Is it okay to skip them if I have some drawing experience?

Im just not getting gesture.how do i feel it?

>>2621625

Dip your hand in a bucket of opaque substance and slam it against the wall. Lift your hand off the wall and see your result. That is gesture. You felt emotion. You felt anger. You FELT something.

>>2621635
So try and judge the emotion in the pose then? any tips regarding the center line thing

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>>2621639
Yes to the first thing.
>center line
Center line is more of a construction thing unless you mean line of action and in that case LOA is more of a 'most importance line'. In all honesty there is always going to be that one pose you cannot lay-in because due to the nature of its perspective. Now noticed I said lay-in and not gesture. You should think carefully on what it means to be gestural vs motionless or naturally posed.

Take the random picture I grabbed as example. You cannot find this pose in this angle in a life drawing session. So all your life drawing techniques for gesture seems to be challenged at this point. This is when you need to incorporate a different plan of approach to "lay-in" the figure rather than stating with a "gesture". To me a gesture is a figure in motion, a clear action. For this picture, I would use a different set of tools to establish the overall picture. In short, there really is no one fool proof plan of attack to get every pose. No one tool. Sometimes you just got to start with shapes and volumes.

Hope that makes sense.

>>2621639
Follow the spine

>>2621668
So gesture regards a figure in the process of moving or doing something. and with poses such as the tits, build from basic shapes? im sorry but im struggling lately.

>>2621685

It's all situational. You'll figure out what to tools to use and when with practice. The thing to take away from my point is
>a figure in the process of moving or doing something. and with poses such as the tits, build from basic shapes?
You won't know unless you begin to draw it. But to stick to one hammer and nail to solve all your construction problems is being an idiot.

>>2621691
okay

Why can i not get any of this fucking shit? its like theres a fucking wall in my brain and the information i try and fucking digest from videos and books is just shit being thrown harmlessly against it. Nothing goes in.

>>2621736
You take a piece of information, then you put it into practice.
Like you see how someone constructs an arm or hands or something right?
You don't wait until you decide to draw the full figure to try it out, you do it then and there just drawing the arms or hands or whatever.

>>2616946
Got anymore like these?

What are some good resources for drawing nature?

When is it a good time to ask for criticism as a beginner? i see so many artist post in the beginner thread and just get told to read the sticky. i dont want to post something and get told something i already know.

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>>2608111

>ignored

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what categorization would this type of drawing fall under, and are there any specific ways to practice it? kinda sloppy, half-sketchy but still very recognizable

>>2622060

Specific feedback is very overrated, beginners rarely need it unless they're going way off in the wrong direction. When you're new to something, the things you need to learn are the same things everyone needs to learn, and too broad for someone to individually teach to you.

Before asking for feedback, simply consider if you can find the answer yourself. What can an individual give you that a passive resource can't?

Create a focused question for people to answer. You want to whittle down the options of what people have to say to you, otherwise you risk asking too much and being ignored, or having someone answer and being left feeling overwhelmed and unfocused from the fact that you need improvement in such a broad way. That kind of broad improvement is much easier to gain from a well organised book/etc.

Personally, whenever I try to ask for feedback, I find that just through composing a post, trying to clearly and concisely articulate my problem, that I almost always find myself on the right track simply by 'talking it through with myself', basically analysing the issue and my own work before anyone else has to, and I no longer even feel the need to post anything. And even when I do need to post it, my meeting people half way by trying to be specific generally yields much more fruitful results.

It's not just about presenting your work and having someone tell you what's 'wrong' like a teacher grading a quiz. Hearing you talk about what you were trying to achieve, what you think the problem is etc, makes it a lot easier to see WHY something is wrong an point you in the right direction.

>>2622295
second this?

I really like this style

What does it mean when you show someone a piece of art and they look at it for all of 30 seconds and say one thing about it or say "cool"?
Does it mean the piece is uninteresting/bad and they don't want to say it, or do they just really not care one way of the other? I usually get this response, and it gets on my nerves a little.

So I tried downloading lots of books and look at /ic/ reccomendations but there is so much stuff that I get lost, I am a shitty artist with not much motivation but I would work my ass to improve. So someone has some kind of exercises that I can keep doing to improve? Something that I can keep doing even for hours just to get better

>>2623117
I think you answered your own question.