POST ART FEELS

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Read a book or something.

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>Been drawing 8 hours today
>Finish, roll a joint, go to my backyard
>Blaze it while looking at the sky

Life is great

um overwatch?

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>Draw too slow
>Do gesture studies to improve speed
>Everything is an unrecognizable mess
>Try to be patient
>Oh God I'm going to be 25 this year
>Not gonna make it

>>2578089
>been working all week
>worked all weekend at second job
>realize I smell a bit because I haven't showered this weekend
>decide to make a cup of coffee and doodle around instead
>tfw no gf
It's a good feel though

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>>2578124

25 is still young, I know how to make you improve faster, just read the new Steve Houston book or Michael Hampton, seriously.

Also this

1: Read Perspective Made Easy and do all the exercises.
2: Read How to Draw by Scott Robertson and do all the exercises and watch the videos.
3: Read Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis and/or Michael Hampton and do all the exercises.
4: Read Drawing the Head and Hands by Loomis and do all the exercises.
5: Read Force by Michael Mattesi.
6: Read How to Render by Scott Robertson and do all the exercises.
7: Read Color and Light by James Gurney and do all the exercises.

There you go, with 4 hours of focused practice a day (don't check your smartphone every 30 seconds) this training will last a whole year or a bit more. Also you need money to buy the books and a cintiq or intuos pro and ellipse templates etc.

After you complete that just do what you want for a while, explore styles, what you like to paint and such. THEN make a list of the things you are not good at and you want to learn and get to it.

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>>2578158
I have 2/7 of those books. Thank you sir. Screencapped.

>>2578124
Just keep on doing 30 second gestures, anon.

You'll learn efficiency eventually.

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>>2578124

First draw a curve that represents the spine, then a ball for the head, an egg for ribcage and ellipse for pelvis, then connect those masses accordingly, that's it, gesture pose

take a look at pic related and think what the artist was trying to do here

>>2578215

but hamptons gestures are utter shit

>>2578124
>going to begin rapidly losing Neuroplasticity
feels bad man

>>2578124
Hoping that I gonna make it.
>turning 23
But I'm still utter shit at doing gestures.

>>2580550
Post some good gestures famalam

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>>2580556
A few sure. I really love gesture.

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>>2580578

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>>2580579
force

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>>2580584
obligatory yoh

>>2580578
these are moreso quick gestural sketches than gesture drawings

>>2580588

One and 2 are of the same. A gesture can be 10 seconds to find the line of action, 30 seconds to find the general flow, a minute to get flow and indication of expression, 2 minutes to get the action and indication of major shape, 5 minutes to indicate anatomy but not fully drawing the anatomy to hinting the areas of light. It all depends on the goal of the gesture and what gesture means to you, nobody patented what gesture truly means, especially not hampton.

>>2578158
>>2578199
>>2578215

>people talk shit about /ic/
This place is fine. Thankyou based anons

>>2581205
>This place is fine.

You haven't been here long enough.

>>2578089
>doing anything but working on art
You fucked up

>work intensive for a deadline
>disconnect from social life and spend all my free time in the studio
>it's done
>get post-child depression
>don't want to paint, but have nothing left to do in my free time

I really need to find more balance in my life

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>>2578089
For the longest time I have been afraid of getting into drawing properly. I convinced myself I was too old. That none of the stuff that I'd create mattered. That there are so many amazing artists out there that I'll never stand toe to toe with, so why bother?

This is a toxic line of thinking. All of those fears are completely idiotic. I've got ideas in my head that want to be drawn, that is all there is to it. If I'm going to let myself get held back by all these inconsequential anxieties then I might as well kill myself. I live for these ideas and let them take form into the world. Sure, they may not be the prettiest or most noteworthy, but they're there for me to look at, free from the confines of my mind, no longer linked to my mortality.

I love creating things for the sake of it. Sure, I'd love to improve, and I'm working on it, but the point for me is not to be the best. I just want to bring my ideas to life alongside the arguably short life that I'm going to live.

I'm sure that's the same for many people on here. There are all these people with beautiful worlds inside their heads that are begging to be let out, to come to physical shape.

Worry not about your anxieties, it is afterall way better to waste pencils and paper than it is to waste time.

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>21
>literally draw smut for a living
>Live with girlfriend, doesn't know what I do for a living, tell her it's graphic design
>pull in $1000-1300 a month roughly
>sometimes i get non-smut work but it's pretty much 80/20 smut.
>I enjoy what i do but i want to be like those guys on deviant-art who make amazing landscapes and cool character designs and live off that.
>paycheck to paycheck
>draw 11 hrs a day,

>>2581264
post work? Just curious to see what level you're at.

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>>2581268
Can't post my smut because of reasons, but have this.

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>be internet artist
>try to converse with other internet artists
>9/10 of them are just hyperactive/over sensitive manchildren who obsess over nothing but porn and memes.
>mfw

Why is it nigh impossible to find other chill artists on the internet? Most of my friends aren't artists and it seems like it's better this way. Most of the other artists I run into online I can't stand as people.

>>2581275
cool, looks like you're at about an intermediate level. Hope things work out for you dude

>>2581264
>makes living
>has gf
normie pls

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>practicing figure drawing
>get tricky pose
>continually fuck it up
>can't draw anything right for the rest of the day

>>2581277
go to galleries and shit. fucking meet people

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I'm just above rock bottom, guys

>>2581458
WHICH MEANS THAT YOU CAN STILL GO LOWER.

>>2581460

Rock bottom would be quitting but I don't have the guts to finish the job and push myself into the trashcan

>>2581456
I was specifically talking about the online scene. Offline isn't an issue as the few artist friends I do have I've met offline. But the online art scene is toxic as fuck. I'd assume it has to do with it being mostly fan-art based and I hate fandoms in general.

>>2581450

>tricky pose
>simplify body by using boxes and cylinders
>everythingwentbetterthanexpected.jpg

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>>2578124
I alway feel the very same way in drawing in general.
>Draw something decent
>Would always think some 14 year old in Korea could draw better
>Would lie about my age to other artist
>Practice a very strict skin care using up to 14 products a day
>Improve my drawings while researching skin care ingredients, ph, order, etc.
>Exercise so I can say to myself "Hey I maybe be a meh artist for my age but at least I have something artist want, a six pack
>My incredible competitive nature successfully took down artist in my field saying "Oh my God you have an nature talent in illustration." or "Man I would kill to be good in graphic arts like you!"
So far I'm turning 23 but confused for being 18-20 and lie to other artist that I'm 16-18 just to see them internal scream.
Hell at 13 I thought if I didn't reach to my standards I need to kill myself at 25 because I thought you are suppose to be at your peak by then. I know its stupid know but that shows how even at an young age, I was drowning in my pride and would always be embarrassed of my age. Even if I reached to my peer's level when they were say 15 and I was 17 I thought it was a lose cause because they would already reached to ethereal god mode and would look upon me as a peasant.
I always wanted people to like I'm way better than them in almost every way; being humble and modest on the outside but really thriving on them secretly crying on the inside from jealous.

I'm a horrible human being that might needs help.

>>2581714
Holy fuck I just realize how retarded my grammar was.
Goes to show I shouldn't of water bong my weed before posting
Sorry guys hopefully you understand my stoned rambling since it was pretty honest.

>>2581726
also retarded for not realizing were all lying about our ages, I'm not 14, im actually 41

>>2581714
you got issues man. Try meditating, helped me. Free yourself from validation addiction.

>>2581758
This is where I'd make a joke about you seeming like you were 12, but I have to say Nose, you've gotten better. Not at drawing, but at being civil.

>>2581767
Is that even the real one?

>>2581714
I relate a lot, except on the being fit part.

>>2581714
stay home and cut off ties from friends
become a stay at home neet and you'll eventually learn to not depend on others' thoughts

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>>2581801
I was NEET for 2 years and would compare with younger artist online. If /fit/ has thought me anything, I rather to compare to improve than sucking on my own dick and never progress.
You can never escape the madness

>be 24
>want to draw fetish smut for a niche crowd on DA
>been drawing for about 3 years now, still noticeably beginner

I swear one day I'll have those autists on DA eating my smut out of my hands one day

>>2581816
*taught
Fuck I'm horrible today

>>2581816
>WHAT WILL YOU DRAW LIKE AT AGE 27

>>2581714
same senpai, I tell normies i'm 18
I'm actually 27
helps that I'm asian though

>>2581839
Black don't crack
Asian don't raisin
Sadly I'm white so I have to buy all my skincare from Asia since they would have better skincare since they have centuries evolving a culture to never turning dark or crack

>>2581466
You've put so much pressure and meaning on the things you do that it is starting to block you eventually. Of all the things /ic/ gets wrong it is one of the major ones: the more you build up something like this:
>I must and shall do this and do it perfectly with research and hours of sweat because this one thing represents all I am worth as a person better kill myself if I fail
The least likely you are to do it.

>>2581844
What skincare? I have to write a "3" in front when I write my age and it is starting to show.

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>>2581714
>>2581839

How many people on here actually lie about their age?
I'm 21.

>>2581961
Dangit. I meant 20. I'll turn 21 next February.

>wage cuck with a 9 to 5
>have 6 hours to come home, eat dinner, draw, & lift before sleep
I'm gonna be 28 this year.
Who /notgonnamakeit/ here?

>>2581966
I do that regimen too (except only have 4 hours) + extra studies to fuck off from the job in question and get a better one later.
I'm 30 and I didn't make it, but that doesn't mean I enjoy drawing less. It will just never bring me money.

>>2581966
>>2581970
Ah similar work life balance - I'm the poly sleep guy, I'm 29. No plans on making it. I decided it was too stressful to attempt to live off your artwork. Drawing does make for a nice hobby.

>>2581990
What if I want to be as good as someone who made it but am perfectly fine making money in my stem job.

>>2581998
I'm the 30 dude
Tbf I don't think you can be as good as someone who made it if most of your waking hours are invested in something else, but how important is reaching that level to you? And do you know why? Do you want validation, to at least hear people tell you " oh anon you could have been an artist"?
Also the whole "you need to be at your peak at 25" is bs. Just take an art class with old people and watch them progress.

>>2582010
I want to be able to draw whatever I want and not have it be hindered by my skill. It's a personal thing, I want to get gud even if progress is slow. If I throw a drawing up online somewhere and people want to throw money and praise at me so be it. But I also realize that's unlikely and am fine pursuing what I consider an equal passion: programming, as a career.

But I get that nagging voice in the back of my head telling me to drop everything and draw all day every day or I'll always be shit.

>>2582027
>draw all day everyday
That's how you burn out of your passion very fast though

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>>2581949
You must use makeup remover if wearing makeup

Cleansing water if I'm wearing sunscreen (oil cleaning if makeup)

Foam cleansing (ph must be 5.5) with a clarisonic

Ph balancing toner
Sulwhasoo products are my favorite but buy samples on eBay since the jar could rack up to $200+

Love the C-ster High Performance Powder lately but a bit drying mix with an essence and wait 30 min if you are gonna apply anything with niacinamide (would create hydrogen peroxide on your face, canceling both products and reddening your skin if you don't wait for the powder mixture to adsorb first) or retinol (which would also cancel if you don't wait)
Serum

Retinol for wrinkles

Then I finish with the rest of my Sulwhasoo skincare with their eye creams, oil, cream and sleeping mask

This is amazing for 30-50 year old skin but even in my early 20's its easier to prevent than to treat

Pro tip:

>There is no solid evidence on food causing breakouts however 4 bottles of water (2000ml) with benefit the skin
>NEVER USE A BAR OF SOAP ON THE FACE. Will disturpt your pH and destroy your skin
>Sleep with a cool mist humidifier for hydration
>If you have acne ask your doc for antibiotics and spironolactone (if hormonal)
>If you are having a bit of a break out use Cosrx Acne Pimple Master Patch or CNP Laboratory Acne patches when you do to bed
>Use the PMD device once a week for getting rid of dead skin
>Try sheet masking three times a week since they are so concentrated that everyday use could clog pores
>Use a physical+chemical suncreen everytime you go near the sun since UVA and UVB rays will age you and create dark spots.Cosrx Aloe Soothing Sun Cream is what I personally use
>Never neglect the neck, collarbone, and hands
Any questions?
I feel like I could get an dermatologist license if I tried hard enough. God I'm really autistic with skincare

>>2582076
You're a grill?

What is cleansing water even. Foam cleaner Clarisonic what?
Heck what is half of what you said.
I just apply sunscreen in summer and stop at that, then wash my face in the shower with whatever shower gel I have. So I shouldn't?

>>2581458
Or you can get off /ic/ and practice. Come on anon I know you can do this.

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>>2578089
>draw with pen
>fuck it up with a texture
>can't go back or the fix would look worse

>Draw whole life, hit brick wall
>Finally try constructing the body from boxes
>suddenly have better understanding of form in general
Things do get better, bros

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>>2578089
>too fucking impatient while drawing
>don't think through my drawing enough before drawing
>turns out to be a shitty symbol drawing every time
I need to relax and I can't
I doodled too much when I was younger and now its become a horrible habit that I can't break

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>>2582114
Try bert dodson keys. it helped me a lot.

>>2581233
Literally still recovering from this after a month

>>2581275

>tfw you're much better than this guy but work shit job because you're too insecure to put yourself out there.

>>2582076
No grills don't research, only gay men (which explains why /cgl/ only buys for packaging than ingredients)

Cleaning is the most important process in skincare. Because it will help you remove dirt, oil, and excess sebum is on your face and help you absorb your products better.

Cleasing water helps remove sunscreen since sleeping with it on can clog pores. Afterwards use cleansing foam to get rid of remaining gonk on your skin you accumulated over the day.

Do your skincare twice a day and after you shower. It is maintenance, but it is really worth it to prevent wrinkles and having clear skin.

A Clarisonic is a device that is optional however greatly helps giving your skin a deep clean buy removing dead skin cells

Product recommendation for the bare minimum
>Cleansing Water: Dr.Jart+ Dermaclear Micro Water
>Cleansing Foam: Cosrx Low Ph Good Morning Gel Cleanser
>Toner: Benton Aloe BHA Skin Toner
>Serum: Sulwhasoo Capsulized Ginseng Fortifying Serum (buy samples on ebay)
>Mosturizer: Sulwhasoo - Concentrated Ginseng Renewing Cream (buy samples on ebay)
>Sunscreen: Cosrx Aloe Soothing Sun Cream

>>2582088
See >>2582149

>>2578093
this basically dude

ic needs more pot

>>2582149
>tfw eurofag an have none of that here
I'll try to look up some stuff on eBay. I'm rather concerned about parabens though

>>2582144
>implying that drawing well matters more than attitude and marketing skills

>>2578089
>need to rest
not gonna make it

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>>2582276
why are you on 4chan instead of studying volume, faggot?
not gonna make it

>>2582297
2 week vacation.

>>2582162
You know Amazon exist right
Well parabens aren't super bad since do make great preservatives. I think Sulwhasoo's creams have some but their ingredient list is so big that it has .02% parabens. A lot of the listed are Korean but they are pretty based ingredients and worth a try man.

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>>2582302

>need to rest

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>want to try oils
>can't assemble a good palette of colors
>colors mix like shit and turn orange when they dry
>they actually never dry because they're oily as shit
fucking 3rd world I swear

>>2582627
I think it's too expensive for what is in it. I'm not wowed at the composition of the cream. Second ingredient on the cream is butylene glycol, first actually moisturizing one is glycerine, you got dimeticone (you know that seals off your face right? and hair shaft in shampoos), then you get a bunch of emulgators (and let me tell you, you don't need that much of those to make a cream), then only do you get vegetable oils, and then some more meme ingredients. If there was resounding proof about ginseng being that good, yeah, but now I don't believe the hype.
Vit A and C, and a good sunscreen are the only things we can reasonable assume have an anti-wrinkle effect.

I'm a more positive on the serum but it's lots of resounding plant stuff and then again massive butylene glycol and alcohol. I don't know. If I had samples and I was positive and felt like splurging, why not the serum. Some really crappy "high fashion" brand stuff is way worse for more money. I wouldn't bother with the cream.

>parabens
it's repeated exposure that is rumored to be bad, so doesn't matter how little there is, it's in the combination of loads of different products that the devil hides.

>>2582162
so far it's animal studies that suggest stuff and only on some parabens, not all. If you live in a city toxic fumes are probably killing you faster, if you eat red meat it's worse. I'd only really start worrying about parabens if you had a hormonal imbalance of some sorts and even then that's just to err on the cautious side. When they take out the 'bens they replace them with other preservatives that are more allergenic and often in larger doses so it's not an advance. Only true "preservative free" stuff comes in vacuum packaging and you'll pay for that.

t. pharmacist

>>2581816
>age 27 getting closer and closer
>it was fun a couple years ago but now it seems like i will stay a chris no matter what
will you guys read my mlp/undertale comics about applesans?

>>2582702
Yes I was skeptical on the Sulwhasoo cream at first after seeing ingredient list as well but surprise that it was better than the meme Benton. It just absorbed better for my normal skin type and never really broke out. I know when I researched the cream I got this:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16890388
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21094681
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19501277

So ginseng wasn't as bad as I thought now the serum really is great, better than the gifted SKII I had to use. SKII is so fucking garbage I will never understand the hype on that. The TimeTreasure Renovating Cream might be worth a try actually

>>2581714
I'm 23 and I have been looking like I'm 30 for two years, whenever I'm out with my dad he has to explain to people he is 23 haha
I have given up on the world, I was born to be a monster but my drawings can look nive

>>2582149
How long does your routine take?

>tfw you spend more time planning than practicing

>>2582974
15 to 60 minutes its really worth it though
I try to multitask like I'll draw while wearing mask or something

>>2582994
I wish you had a throwaway so I could write out all my questions without derailing this topic further.

I'm turning 28 in 10 minutes

i haven't caught up to anybody. my peers are already veterans. and i haven't made anything of myself.

>>2584355

You could be really good in five years if you have the time and work ethic. In five years you'll be 33, which isn't that old.

>>2584355
Happy Birthday anon. I turned 28 earlier this year too and I'm still playing catch up. We can do it m8. Just gotta put in the time. 28 isn't that old and when it comes to art, age doesn't mean much of anything. As long as your work is solid that's all that matters.

>It's july
>that means in 6 months I'll be 23
>and still not pro
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>2584396
are you born in december? 1993? so am I

>>2584470
yes anon, /highfive

>>2578089
>start out, complete shit, but try drawing things and have fun
>make enough progress to have your lack of skill prevent you from trying to draw things
>stop drawing because of how shit you are at it

I used to really like drawing, but now I never feel the urge to do it because I know nothing I try to create will turn out well. I've always wanted to be good at drawing, and I feel like I'm finally having to let that dream go.

>>2581990
>>2581970
>>2581966
I'm the same too. I'm 25 though. I only have 2 hours of drawing time after work, dinner, and working out. My life is so comfortable I don't want to do art as a job. But sometimes I like to daydream. Am I wasting away my life?

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tfw you have over 80 pages of badly drawn anime fanart for a cult status book and you don't know what to do with it. you dont know where it's taking you but you still keep drawing more pages and you never know when this is all gonna end

>plan to draw for at least an hour
>start with some quick gestures
>they suck
>quit after 10 minutes
>don't draw for another few days
>try again
>rinse and repeat

pls help

> tfw good enough to get into art center ed, my lifelong dream
> tfw I dont even want to anymore because I like money too much

>>2585773
>80 pages of badly drawn anime fanart for a cult status book
I'm intrigued. Post project link plox

>>2585773

CWC related I presume from the totem?

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>>2585798
I didn't make a page for it yet though I posted some pictures online. Now it's very google searchable with a couple right keywords and I am on the front page. It's only a matter of time until my stuff ends up on /b/ and becomes a meme because of the sheer volume of it all. But I can't stop, I keep going. It's like an itch. At least it keeps me drawing and I improved a lot. I even wrote theme songs for the characters and battle scenes, which is exploitable if you know what book I am talking about.

If people demand to see more (I already talked about it a little on another forum and got teased, in good spirit of course) then I'll just compile everything into a zip file with html pages and make it downloadable.

>>2585814
(I had to look up what CWC was) No, not related to cwc at all. The pic is unrelated, I just thought it was funny because of how lost sanic looked.

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Help me /ic/

I was just casually browsing through my old images and found my old drawings, not even a year old

What the fuck? how did I think this was ok?
I always felt like I was dealing with some kind of blindness when looking at my own art. It was frustrating and made me 'quit' on multiple occasions. It just always seemed to me that I could never truly see my own art for its objective qualities and always had to sort of edge it into a comfort zone. Why was I so afraid of thinking I made something bad?

How could I hold myself back like this? How do you become able to 'see'?

>>2585823
>If people demand to see more
You can't pique are curiosity like that mane. Just tell us the project name and we'll google it ourselves

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>>2585855
I feel like an absolute pleb for asking, but what is so bad about the image you posted? It's not amazing, but I don't really get what's so horrible about it.

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>>2585921
I lack the fundamentals. It's more clear to others, don't worry. But I just kind of put a mental block over my nubbishness and rationalized a lot of my noob moves. Like the murkiness and the small scratchy hatching? I thought they were aesthetically pleasing.

Pic related, someone fucking blew me out of the water a little bit after.

>>2585927
whoever fixed it has about the same skill as you

oh wow he used broader brushes instead of lines to imply value! you were so awful oh my god...

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>Decide to throw away my money and enrol at university
>Media Production because fuck getting a BA
>Take a gap year so I'm fully prepared, work, save money, practice art etc.
>hear stories of people going to uni thinking they're hot shit and getting BTFO by the other art students
>scared shitless

>FIRST SEMESTER

>these people look like this is the first time they've opened Photoshop
>everyone is beyond terrible
>the stench of tumblr is in the air

>visdev paper
>good shit
>last third of the paper is making a website to show off the previous 2/3rds
>I've already got my own portfolio website so I'm done with the paper about a month early
>on the handin date we showed off our websites
>about a third of the class is done
>about a third of those done are using tumblr to host their projects
>we're supposed to be building websites and these people think tumblr is ok
>fucking why

>Animation paper
>big project worth 100% of the grade
>forming groups
>fuck these people, I'm going solo
>prof is hesitant but allows it
>smoke weed and laze around all semester doing sweet fuck all, working on projects occasionally
>due date rolls around but gets extended three days because...
>I'm the only one done
>I'm the only one who made and rigged their own characters (4 unique characters and rigs)
>everyone else is using premade characters the prof provided
>did I mention I did this alone?

I'm not even sure if I'M good enough to even get a job. These chucklefucks are throwing their lives away

>>2586174
family those schools are for retards just so they can get a degree
your first hint should have been the name "media production"

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>Have all the books I could ever need to become a good artist. Be it Entertainment, Illustrator, Fashion, Transportation Design, etc etc.
>Have all the resources I need to make pretty much any art piece.
>I just waste time here on /ic/ and some light games on Steam. Most of my time is wasted on Youtube.

How do I fucking stop this madness. I am in art school, I've gone to a few live figure sessions.

Something just stops me in my tracks and I'm not sure what to do. I have carpal tunnel, but I've been able to get that under control. I have a nice drafting table with all my supplies on it, I have paper, canvas, paint etc etc. It's all there, I just have trouble focusing, and I feel horrible because I could be so much better if I just kept drawing. Too many distractions.

>>2586183
no more fast internet for you

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>>2584396
>>2581714
>http://vetyr.tumblr.com
This guy is 16 years old. Enjoy reality.
>>2585951
>whoever fixed it has about the same skill as you
No. You're delusional

>>2586187
My studio is in my bedroom (first mistake)
I have my laptop in there, and I usually take my phone too.

Should I just take my laptop out and then maybe keep my phone out of my room too?
Idk, Feels bad man.

Also
>Spend so much time drawing that you never worked on your social life, so you only have a few friends that you can still hang around with...For now.
Anyone else feel me?

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>>2586182
at least we've got people from real movie and game studios coming in every second lecture. Hopefully I can get one of them to give me a job so I can escape.

>>2586188
>http://vetyr.tumblr.com

am I supposed to be impressed?

>>2586203
Yes. You can't draw like him.

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>>2586197
at least you have friends that hang out with you. I guess I'm such an aloof person, no one really cares about what i'm doing.

>didn't see anyone since 2 months or is it 3
>drawing is the only thing that gets my away from depression and self-loathing for a while
>decide to start studying anatomy after more than 10 years of having drawing has an hobby
>realize how much i have to learn

I've always been lazy about perspective, i know how 2 point works, 3,4 points is easy after a quick check on some internet tutorial. But making a good composition with good use of perspective is something else.

I wish I had a driver license, I would try to find some art classes with models and shit. Could be fun and calming.

>>2578093
DUDE WE
>>2582159
ED LMAO

>>2586197
How old are you? Friends are nothing. They all will disappear and their behaviors will change with time completely. And if you're 24+ you don't make friends anymore.

Buy a dreamcast

>>2586209

Don't assume things.

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>>2582114
I know this feel anon I never finish my work...

>>2586201
work on one big solo project then
its probably the best way

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I have been wanting to do comics since I was a kid but after university I have come to see how little I have been able to progress and now I dont dare draw anymore.

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>>2581816
those nipples are huge....

>>2586470
i think they are just stretched because of that silly pose and because hes fat

>tfw want to learn draw nice lineart beacause I mostly paint over sketch
>everything turn into shit

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>studying C whenever I can't be fucked to draw
>book I got is the most frustrating shit ever, doesn't explain jack-shit and expects you to know loads of thing while telling you it's a beginner book
>any question on /g/ leads to language fanboy war and no answers
>1 year military draft coming in a month
>loads of cadets dying in training
>scared.png
>trying to get /fit/ in preparation
>I don't even know what division I'm in since apparently the GP is supposed to tell me after he's done grappling my balls, he didn't
>5 years engineering after that (hopefully)

>Just spent an entire night just doing requests on the /v/ drawthread
>most fun I've had in almost 6 months
God damn no one told me drawing other people's waifus was such a blast

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>>2585823
i think i know who you are. you talked about it on reddit so i looked you up and found your tumblr. you have 80 fucking pages? i am already amazed that you came up with the shit you already put online. learn to draw better before you do anything further. you're definitely /b/ material and your lack of art skills isn't helping.

i sent you a message on reddit go check

>>2586470
because he lacks testosterone

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>>2581961
>>2581714
>>2581839
>>2581970

>tfw born in 1996

I'm gonna make it younger than you, Flintstones.

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>>2586234
>all my friends drifting away, all of them just go to work then watch tv with gfs
>turn 24 in a fortnight

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>have some art friends
>all used to be productive and shit
>now all gave up on digital drawing
>stopped posting art on social sites and only post pictures hanging out with their friends

Am I the only one actually enjoying drawing or do I miss out on more important things in life?

>>2586756
>or do I miss out on more important things in life?
Think about what your really 'missing'
some drinks
some jokes
a few laughs
and really, nothing more

>>2586234
I'm 20
I still try and stay connected through fb, but even that's getting tough.

>>2586742
>all of them just go to work then watch tv with gfs
That sounds boring. Sell some artwork to go travel for a bit, either in-state, domestic, or international. Something! You'll meet cool people too

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>hate copying because i feel like i'm cheating
>hate drawing from references because i feel like i'm cheating
>hate reading tutorials because i feel like i shouldn't have to
>can't even stand the thought about doing any of these things

i always feel like i have to learn everything on my own without any help and i dont know why

>>2585921
hes just an attention seeking faggot

>>2586265
Prove it.

>>2586756
The only meaning in life is what you make of it. spend all your time worrying about what you are not doing and you will die with regrets, instead just think about the amazing things you create and be proud.

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>>2586791
proof

>>2586777

I would feel the same dude, but these things are actually really helpful for me at least. When I was younger I would trace over shitty ass deviant art because I was a weeb but it was a way to see how people would draw in their style, it can be fun in a way if you find your favorite artist or your favorite cartoon and use that. Copying isn't cheating unless you say it's yours without any credit, then that's considered stealing.

Some people can draw without ref and that's cool but they personally help me as I'm still beginner as fuck. It's a big way of learning how the world (Or unrealistic things, like if you were to draw some kind of fantasy, you can get ideas from other artists, that's where one's own style or interpretation of something comes in) looks so that you are more familiar with it.

I felt like a dumbass reading tutorials, and you don't "have to" but I would recommend them for guidance and pacing yourself through improving.

tl;dr Just fucking do it

>>2586797
pffft
you're dunner kruning so hard that you need a rescue squad to pull yourself out of your own ass. You've got more than a few months before you get close to that.

thanks for making me feel good about my progress tho. I'm just embarrassed for you

>>2586830
>You've got more than a few months before you get close to that.

Not really. If he hauls ass he can surpass that kid real easy in a month tops if he does it right. If anything >>2586797
is better and has more potential for being traditional media.

>>2586830
>>2586833
There's so much sarcasm in this that I'm not sure what's real anymore....

>>2582144
you're not better than him. at best, you have better drawing skills (though i have a tendency to believe that you're wrong about that, too). you have shit people skills, shit marketing skills, and from what i can tell, zero drive and ambition. whether you can draw a sexier titty than him or not, he's objectively a more worthwhile person to have on this earth.

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looking at environment concept art on pinterest
>"those environments and backgrounds are so cool!"
>"look at all that detail"
>"those designs are so original"
>"that person must have been paid so well"
>realize you will never be able to draw a background and you'll always be stuck with mediocre at best faces and bodies
>realize there are 16 year olds with art skills that surpass what you'll probably ever be capable of
>try and practice
>get frustrated and lose inspiration
>repeat cycle

>>2586784
Original poster here, I don't get why you would say that. Yeah I'm seeking attention because this is an art feels thread.

To clarify, I wanted to see if anybody else dealt with a blindness that I mentioned in the post... A blindness to your own works quality.

A night of thinking lead me to this: I couldn't draw without it having to be for affirming that I am 'talented,' so everything I drew had to have some merit.

And if you're curious as to how this realization has affected me, well now I am trying to do things for the sake of doing them, not to make myself feel pro, feel smart, feel talented, and etc.

I honestly have never drawn and tried to appreciate the act of it, like the physical motion of dragging a pencil across paper. It was mostly stress stress stress until BAM, oh wow, a picture that sort of looks good is there.

Now I am trying to appreciate the act of drawing itself. Something which I believe others have called 'drawing for drawings sake' or 'loving the process,' I don't know, there are so many varieties of the platitude that I don't reflect upon it without some resentment.

>>2578124
Everything you said plus
>love to draw all my life
> went to school for it
> after a few years of having your artwork criticized by experts, improve a shitload, but still not considered good enough to be professional by graduation time
> go back home but don't have all the time in the world to draw and pressured to find a job
> realize to improve I need to sit at home for days at a time but fucking family wonders why you need to keep practicing when I already went to school for it
> finally get a full time job in a creative field but still need to draw to get into the field I want
> at this point I realize I'd have to sacrifice social life if I want to draw while working fulltime if I want to improve
>losing passion in art because I'm frustrated at my inability to improve and impatient with how long it's taking
> the things I do end up wanting to draw is unoriginal and not creative
> not sure what to do with life now

>>2586838
just don't think about it anon, you'll doom yourself

>>2586833
>traditional elitist
Ok grandpa, but if he (you) learn at the same speed as the kid is learning, than will you ever surpass them? you're going to die first anyway, so seeing that you don't give up shortly after trying to inflate your ego instead of buckling down and doing studies, they will always be ahead, unless they get hit by a truck.

I'm in the same boat as you. I have just come to accept that this is a thing that will happen. I just need to focus on me instead of fighting it. Its not always the best person that gets the job, just gotta be in the right place at the right time with the right amount of talent. We're sure to get work off of that merit alone

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>>2581769
yes

so what, If I'm above the age of 20 and not as good as people below it I should just kill myself? Is that what I should gather from this thread?

> weekend comes after a long week of work
> Oh boy can't wait to use this free time to draw
>"anon it's a beautiful day out, why would you sit in the house all day?"

>>2586848
Nope, the way you should look at it is there are old fucks here who are just starting out and they are very vocal about their depression and because it is 4chan, they would like to cater their environment to their own emotions and force others to feel the same.

So no, you don't need to kill yourself. But in the current state of this website, if you're here, you better sound depressed about it.

>>2586854
Also there are bitter young people on this board as well who are sad they're not on the level of other very skilled young artists. They see your vulnerability with your age, and use it to push themselves up. Just throw them a bone and go on your way. They really need it.

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>>2586844
Yay, I can sense it.

>>2586848
As long as you are 25 or below you are good. After 25 you begin to rapidly lose the sufficient neuroplasticity needed to gather your thoughts and learn efficiently and quickly. It doesn't mean you're totally fucked after 25 it just means you're fucked. Only if you start at the age of 30 is when you probably should purchase a handgun.

>>2586858
As long as you masturbate every day, you will retain 100% neuroplasticity.

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>>2586842
yeah, i know. it's so difficult though. i have a decent cast of character designs but a lot of them look like something else. backgrounds are so boring to practice imo and it's difficult for me to find the discipline to keep at it because i know i'll never improve at them if i don't try.
i can certainly draw at an okay level but seeing all those people that are younger than me/my age/barely older than me that are famous and successful and so much more technically skilled. sorry for aspie tangent, i'm just a total pussy and art tends to take a serious toll on my perception of myself and others.

part of me wants to take a break but i feel like part of the process of improving is pushing your boundaries and working through the spergy tears and toughening up. i'm still young so i have time i guess.

>>2586183
lock yourself in your studio area with no phone/laptop etc. if u want reference print it out beforehand and just MAKE yourself get started. just get the ball rolling, it'll get easier. say to yourself 'you can go get lunch after you do X pages of figure drawing' 'you can take a break and watch 3 youtube videos after you finish roughing out this piece' etc etc etc

>>2586841
>> at this point I realize I'd have to sacrifice social life if I want to draw while working fulltime if I want to improve
>>losing passion in art because I'm frustrated at my inability to improve and impatient with how long it's taking
here is where you fuck up. I also work full time and it takes a lot to improve but I didn't lose my passion.

And that's because I realize if you want something big you need to make big sacrifices. Now it's not the time for social life, that comes later.

>Plan to spend summer improving my art.
>Plan was to have at least nailed bodies/gestures by the end of summer
>My grades are good so I reward my self with video games for a little while
>Two months later Summer is almost over and I haven't drawn a single fucking thing, just spent this whole time playing an MMO.

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>>2586797
>posting your art on /ic/
YOU FELL FOR THE OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK

>>2586797
its shit mate

>>2586183
Try to find an audiobook for Big Magic, it doesn't tell you anything about how to create art, but it does tell you a lot about why you should create.

confession time.
I enjoy tracing pictures because it reminds me of when I was young and could just draw anything, non-stop, without any fear of how the end result would be.

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>Paint a female face from imagination
> 1 hour later finish
> only then I realize I just drew ex-gf's face
>laugh and cry at the realization
feelsbadman.

>>2578089
>broke as fuck cliche
>drawing hard everyday hoping one day I'll make
>time is flying by
>all my mates are doing well in life
It's just not fair.

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>>2587129
Jesus christ dude

>know what I need to do to git gud
>have access to all the resources I need
>be a lazy fuck instead and spend my time playing vidya instead of doing what I need to do
If I spent half as much time drawing as I do playing games I would be working at Disney right now.

>>2587173
Only got yourself to blame.

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>>2587129

>>2587173
Just forget who you were suppost to become and start training.

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>>2586183
>book: pic related

1: Separate your work space from your fun space. Even in a tiny room, have seperate desks. I even have separate laptops ( battlestation for games and work laptop)

2. getting started: I work with 25 minute timers. 25 minutes seems fine enough, it's just 10 minutes then 15. And 25 minutes is nothing on a complete day.

3. If you keep being interrupted by thoughts of "oh this taks" and "oh fuck I forgot that", have a paper and make a list of that shit. You brain will fire every impulse at you to get you to stand up and do something else. Don't listen to it. You can postpone pee, a drink or food for 25 minutes.

4: Do not expect yourself to be drawing all the time. The worst you can do is get into a mindspace where you feel guilt for every moment you haven't been drawing. The most succesful people are those that make time for relaxation and fun. And by fun I mean real fun. Not your youtube and steam addiction. See also book I recommended.

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>>2587183
Oh, I know. Thankfully it's not too late to change.. yet.

>>2587294
Thanks anon, I will.

>>2586853
Draw outside, then you get outside time and drawing time.

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>>2578089
>been drawing some okay looking girls recently
>Try designing some robots, dinosaurs, etc. for a day
>I'm shit at it (can't draw reptilian heads at an angle at all)
>Try drawing another girl since it's the only thing I'm good at
>Literally cannot anymore

So, suicide?

>>2586797
I've seen you post this same shit weeks back man, draw more.

>start drawing a dynamic pose
>goes smoothly
>good, I'm satisfied
>start drawing a character standing straight facing the viewer
>hours later still looks like shit
This is hell.

>fuck up a watercolor
>okay, that's fine, I went in kind of half cocked anyway, I'll just practice a bit to figure out where I'm going wrong and try, try again

>let's roughly re-sketch it out on some scrap, placement and proportions doesn't matter, it's just junk, if you treat it like garbage you won't get hung up, that's where you always make mistakes!
>holy shit, this actually looks pretty fucking good by my standards, I kinda wish now that I hadn't been so lazy with the sketch so I could show this to people
>no matter! I did it once, I can do it again! Just imagine how much better it'll be when I'm actually trying!

>okay, confidence boosted, plan of attack in place, time to tackle the real thing again.
>I've already basically done it once, just go for it and keep dat winning attitude, cool as a cucumber, no worries, loosey goosey, aint no thang, no pressure
>just try to forget that secretly you really really care, you care so much, fucking this up a second time would be fucking intolerable oh god

>fuck it up a second time

FUCK EVERYTHING

>/ic/ is only drawing n sheeit
>tfw there's no arts and crafts board

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>>2586634
And i'll make it younger then you, grandpa.

>>2586634
>>2587542
Don't you kids have some lets plays to watch or something

>>2587555
u can watch me lets play with ur mom nerd

>>2587576
>your mom
>in 2016

No creativity, ngmi, etc

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>been drawing consistently as a hobby since i was a toddler
>have spent probably an extremely large chunk of my life just drawing
>people i know who started drawing maybe 5 years ago are a million times better than i am
>still can't figure most things out despite having 20 years of experience under my belt

>>2587600

>been walking consistently as a hobby since i was a toddler
>have spent probably an extremely large chunk of my life just walking
>people i know who started running marathons maybe 5 years ago are a million times better than i am
>still can't figure most things out despite having 20 years of experience under my belt

>>2587614

thank you for that very pointless reply
also im legitimately someone whos in a wheelchair so nice going

>>2578089
Reminder that art feels threads are fucking cancer

>>2587618
you`re retarded
wheelchair well deserved

>>2587618
>been passing by in a wheelchair consistently since i was a toddler
>have spent probably an extremely large chunk of my life just rolling
>people i know who started using wheelchairs maybe 5 years ago are a million times better than i am
>still can't figure most things out despite having 20 years of experience under my belt

>>2587625
>>2587627

always great to get a reminder at how awful and toxic this board really is

>>2587630


anon from >>2587625 here, it was just too inviting to write that, and yes ic can be way too toxic sometimes

but >>2587614 is right
comparing yourself when you were (probably) casually drawing to someone whos seriously practicing is missing the point
you drew, he studied

and you`re a fag for getting so pissed/offended about his post

have a nice day

>>2587640

because when i say 20 years of drawing, you think i didnt spend any of that time studying?
and if you think that reply was me being pissed then lmao

>>2587618

I was making a point about how you haven't actually been practicing if you've just been fucking around since you were a literal toddler. If you'd spend any of the last 20 years actually learning anything, you'd be a pro by now.

>a bloo bloo bloo muh wheelchair
Grow the fuck up faggot, do you really expect to guilt me over that? How do you know I'M not in a wheelchair? Maybe I have no hands and drawing is exceedingly difficult for me. Maybe I have no dick and that 'pointless' comment really hurt my feelings. Maybe when I was a toddler my parents kicked the shit out of me for drawing instead of allowing me to explore it freely. Maybe I'm a young person with a terminal illness who won't even live 20 years, and seeing someone bitch about how they squandered their go-around pisses me off.
Where are my apologies? Oh yeah, you wouldn't owe me any, because you'd have no way of knowing that when saying what you said, and absolutely none of it was directed at me in a way that references my own bullshit.

Sorry for reminding you that walking is a thing that exists. I should know better than to reference something like that so thoughtlessly. I might as well have made a rape joke at a crisis centre.

>>2587654

tl;dr

>>2587655


> post boohoo story i still cant draw
> tl:dr when people give a fuck
>"im not pissed"

either passive aggressive or bait
move on

>>2587642
>you think i didnt spend any of that time studying?
Not if your 20 years can't match someone else's 5, ffs.

>and if you think that reply was me being pissed then lmao
How can you have been drawing for 20 years when you're clearly 14?

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>>2587619
True.

>be constantly drawing from life
>doing things recommended to me here, using pens, filling up every inch of each page (which means no drawing stands alone, instead with 11 other drawings)
>drawing too fast, what i do usually reads but it's "off" and i usually don't have the patience to shade
>stagnating, frustration
>my drawings from imagination read a little better now and have better perspective but they're still shitty formless doodled cartoons
>basically not studying the masters anymore
>overwhelmed by my huge art resources folder from /ic/

i'll keep going and begin studying again sometime soon

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>not setting goals towards industry
>having zero market value if not working on demand
>losing human rights

this went well.

>Started drawing seriously at 14, started with Kets to Drawing
>Artwork dramatically improves, quickly
>Good shading, good linework, etc.
>Get distracted by internet
>Spend more time in front of a computer doing fuck all than drawing
>Skill level drops
>Do figure drawing from time to time, but nothing serious
>Enter adulthood, have a very brief period of intense study and then fall back on procrastination, again
>Family is not very supportive, either
>Skills drop and drop down to square one
>Trying to get back up, but responsibility pushes from all sides and time is limited, no longer as free as 14

Be happy you aren't me, anons.

>>2585927

I like the original more desu senpai. The 'fixed' version looks dull and incomplete.

>>2587850
I think this story applies to most people on /ic/

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>Finally feel euphoric about making a piece better then your last
>"Ah, its starting to look quite good! I am proud of myself"
>Reevaluate your results at the end of the day
>"Ah, its not as good as I thought it was"
>Feel bad for not being as good as you want to be
>This repeats 2-3 times a day

Fuck me, is this how being bipolar feels like?

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>Realize I just started and I'm 23
>never gonna make it

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>finally realize I can disable the wacom pen long-press setting
>couldnt find it b/c its a microsoft pen and touch setting
>no more jitter
I'm drawing really tiny shapes just because I can

>>2586777
I'm the exact opposite, I can only (poorly) draw from reference or straight up copy. Makes really hate myself because I can't do what I want to do without thinking it's worse than Chernobyl.

>>2587618
I thought cripples hated being pitied? How much of a faggot do you have to be tell strangers over the internet that you can't walk just to make them feel bad? Also, drawing is 100% dependant on you being able to sit still, so how is that even related to anything we're talking about?

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>>2587922
I already said this in other threads, but the book effortless mastery helped me over this. Really recommend it. It is about how this need for selfvalidation and the fear of not getting better hinders us from actually getting better.

>>2587945
>2587945
Sounds interesting, will check it out/read it

>>2587952
hope it helps

I spend all my time doing really boring/intense art studying and get nowhere. I study muscles and do endless figure drawings and paintings from reference, lighting/color studies, still life paintings, all the standards, really trying, really thinking about it, and feel like I still get nowhere. Then I try to give myself a break and do imaginative work and it looks like shit still AND I feel guilty about any time spent doing anything but studying. Even though the studying doesn't help me anyway.

>>2587502
just chill bruh, i know it's hard but just find a way to try n accept ur gonna fuck up. i find drawing more helps w this because if i spend all day drawing one thing and hate it then i feel like shit, if i draw 15 then i 1. devoted less time and therefore put less emotional weight behind each of them and 2. am more likely to be proud of at least one

>>2587818
try doing what you're doing now (fast life drawing & shitty imagined cartoons) when you're just out and about, waiting in the doctor's office, zoning out in work/school etc, coffee shop, and save your free time at home w supplies & resources for serious, intensive studying

>>2586838
>>2586863
It's a cliche, but you can't focus on becoming better than others. Focus on becoming better than your previous self.

>>2586234
I'm 24 and I'm making as many friends as I did in my first year of college. You need to get out more.

>>2586531
Well yeah. It's fast, it's easy, and you're directly making people happy with it.

>>2587555
Don't you have some Netflix NEET series to watch, gramps.

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>base your comic on a philosophical dilemma
>start planning the dialogue about subject
>study dilemma more
>get existential crisis

>>2588039
i haven't heard it worded like that, actually. that's a useful tip. but at the same time, i still can't help but feel bad about the rate of my improvement and the fact that i get bored of actual constructive practice SO EASILY.

I am embarking on the most retarded fan page ever (for performance art) and now I don't know if I actually want to associate my art/style with it anymore.

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My high school art teacher who despised creativity/any student who deviated even slightly from the set curriculum and told me that my art was garbage and that I'd never amount to anything committed sudoku last year and this is a good feel.

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>drawing for 12+ hours
>need to stay up for another 24 hours to finish this retarded deadline set by commissioner
I'm alright.

>>2588466
>A TALENTED artist
>librarian
Cunts that bring down a student's art deserve that fate. Yes, I agree, this is indeed a good feel.

>>2588474
>agreeing to a deadline by a commissioner
You brought this on yourself. You're the talent. They are the consumer. You don't cower to them. They operate on your terms.

>>2588477
I'll remember that for next time. Fact is I've done too much shit to back out or boss around this dude now.

>>2588475

She wasn't even an artist, had no formal accreditation, certification or training. Was the kind of cunt that was obsessed with kitschy pieces and florally collages, but god forbid you pick up a pencil and actually try to create something.

I was 'the art kid' at my school, and having what I assumed was a legit art teacher constantly put down my shit really dented my confidence for several years.

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>Can draw from photo reference and add personal flare with confidence and ease
>Can't even form poses in my mind let alone onto paper even though I've been trying to lean how for the looongest time ever.

God is dead.

>>2588489

Post your reference work and I'll help you.

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Be gook
Draw crappy maschine thing for admisson for damn fucking 4 year since age 17

Be 22

Decide manga or some shit
Can't draw for shit because never drawn human before
ok study a human and anatomy shit
Draw face with imagination
Looks like shit throw fucking pencil

Fuck this do a photo study
Struggling with proportion for 2hour, any way look decent but not satisfying
Meanwhile other guy in my age makes decent shit
Fuck me i'm very painful as crap
There are amazing image in my head but just can't fucking draw

>>2585778
The only one that can help you is you.
Just make sure you never persue art as a career

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>>2588492
With reference.

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>>2588492
>>2588514
Without

My problem is that I just cant think of poses in my head without reference, rarely does it go well.

>>2587945
is it valuable too for people who aren't musicians? It seems to be aimed at them.

>>2588516
>>2588514
You just aren't far enough yet in your art journey to be able to draw from imagination. that will come but you need to build a better understanding of the human body. You are still chicken scratching and as far as your reference goes, there is room for improvement too. If I were you I would really go to a live modelling class and then apply Loomis to drawings you made there, try to do them again. They go well hand in hand.

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>>2587654
>triggered on /ic/

>>2588466
>>2588485

You know what? I had the exact same problem. I never got along with the highschool art teachers and my insane mother forced me to attend a shitty atelier with a weird teacher as well. They never showed the students their own work and when I looked them up, their artwork was the fine artsy stuff. I never understood why these grown ass people hated me so much, I was polite and quiet kid.

I went to art school (which I failed) and somehow some of the teachers were aggressive towards me. The ones who taught fundamentals were nice to me though and I got A's in the class, but the guy who taught "design theory" and that one professor who liked to draw naked chicks with furries... man they hated me. At least the furry professor's TA was really good at drawing and she helped me out a lot because the teacher didn't want to talk to me.

I ended up going to a painter's atelier (run by one of the professors in the school who taught painting and fundamentals) when I was a young man and I got along with her. Now that I look back, I got along with industry professionals and people who actually knew how to draw, because they weren't out to put everyone else down.

I think a lot of the teachers who end up at highschools don't really want to be there, and when they see a student who wants to actually learn how to draw, they get mad. They begin projecting their lifetime of rejection towards you and go full blown crab bucket mentality. Those teachers always called me stuck up, snobby, arrogant, told me my interests are cliche and that I was "just like the others"... I was just a quiet kid who wanted to learn to draw.

I now take instructors with a grain of salt and look at their work first.

>>2587522
DIY likes arts and crafts

>>2587630
Well Scooter, maybe you can go play the oppresion olympics on tumblr instead if you don't like it.

>>2588968
ok I am just venting more but now that I look back, there's a lot of things that I would not have done if I was an art professor. I look back and a lot of the ways the teachers (the fine artsy ones) treated me were outright malicious and harmful. They were pretty much using me as a punching bag.

I also just googled my furry professor and looked at his work again. Jesus it's awful... I think even sixteen year olds on this site draw better than him. I get it, you feel like a failure and you're insecure, but that doesn't mean you should put down students who you are entrusted to help become better artists.

Speaking of teachers and mentors, I am about to befriend a thirteen year old weeaboo who draws pretty bad anime and likes stuff like Attack on Titans and Death Note. Not that we have anything in common but I don't want her going down the wrong path. Even if she becomes the epitome of otaku I am not going to tell her that her tastes suck or that she should like what I like. That's immensely fucked up. I'll just feed her some Loomis and encourage her to try other things. It's not my job to rip her a new one, the world is already going to do that and my job is to prepare her to keep continuing despite the discouragements. The last thing young people need is some grown ass adult verbally punching them.

got that off my chest.

>>2588987
Tell her that basically all Japanese animators study Loomis and recommend others do the same. A bit of an exaggeration, but not far from the truth.

Also why are you befriending a 13-yo girl

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>>2578124
>tfw turned 24 a few months ago
>still haven't made it
>brain slowly losing its neuroplasticity
Fuck my life

>>2589024
the kid's the stereotypical anime-loving kid who gets bullied at school, is socially awkward, and she told her mom that she's a lesbian. an old lady asked me to become a reliable role model for the girl to look up to because she's not getting attention from her overworked parents and she's probably going to join the SJW cult of tumblr if she doesn't have someone to keep her grounded. It wasn't my idea to befriend a kid, it was a request by the old lady.

being a little familiar with popular anime (like death note) is the only common ground I have with this kid at the moment. I don't even watch anime most of the time. I doubt she's gonna flip out and go "its muh style" if i tell her to study loomis. she seems like a good kid.

>>2589036
>>brain slowly losing its neuroplasticity
I always kek. Still got a juvenile humor so thats good.

>>2589048
You should yell "post your work" when she says something you disagree with.

>>2584393
>>2584366
it wasn't so bad my niggers. I will buck up. I needed a day or two to get over it.

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posted here yesterday but i'm being bombarded by more art feels, so enjoy this autistic rant.
all of my frustrations with art are amplified by the fact that i'm continuously being pressured by my parents (my mom, especially) to make a comic series or video game as if it's easy.

>"anon, you're so talented, have you made a storyline for your characters yet?"
>"anon, we met this guy who used to work for disney and we want you to meet with him"
>"you should sell your art, it's amazing!"

i knew the pressure would get really bad after high school, but it's only been like 2 months and i'm starting to feel myself crack. i'm so goddamn weak. i know my parents mean the best but they just don't get that i'm not ~pro~ enough to make it, i'm far from it. i came here to learn what to do and i think master's studies, drawing from life, reading up on books and doing exercises is going to be best for me. i'm optimistic but also nervous because it's so different from what i've been doing.

it just hurts to see my really close friends all going to high-end colleges for art related things almost immediately after high school while i barely passed my classes. i guess until i get a job, i'll be practicing intensively, sacrificing my fairly decent social life for the sake of mastering my craft and doing something i love. i will impress everyone i know. one day i want to look at my work and be so happy with myself for working so hard. this is a bittersweet feeling, being driven by jealousy and self-hate. i'm intimidated by much of /ic/ but i REALLY want to make it, to improve. even if i don't make it big financially, i just want to be happy with myself. i want to work for something for the first time in my life. it's stupid and autistic as fuck but i hope that someone, even just one person on here, will be proud of me for the progress that i will make. i hate craving validation, but i think that can be a good driving force to improve.

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>Suffer ADHD
>Constantly have my focus shift away at middle of work
>have lots of ideas but not skillful enough to craft them
>years past by and occasionally see people use similar idea and become successful with fans

>>2578089
>send bad fan art to artist u kinda know
>have Artist acknowledge they've seen it
>they have no reaction to it
>feels bad man

>>2589248
>Receive fan art from friend on twitter
>Extremely happy they took the time to draw something for you (although half the time its like 5 min sketches)
>Feel like drawing a picture back but no time/spark, not sure how to reply, don't speak same first language
>Favourite/Like the pic after 5hours
>Feels bad man

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>>2589251
>have OCs
>have a somewhat decent following
>nobody cares to draw fanart of them
>nobody cares about them
>feels like nobody cares about me or my art when it isnt fanart
>cry

>>2589256
>make only fanart
>gain more followers
>draw OC
>hope people draw them
>if not rinse repeat

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>>2589256
>have no OCs
>have no following
>for all intents and purposes, do not exist
>feels limbo man

>>2589256
There's this guy I know that constantly posts asking people to draw his OC and sometimes his fans eventually draw them. Quite admirable seeing as I wouldn't even dare to do that.

>Tfw don't dare to design OCs anymore

>>2588968
>I never understood why these grown ass people hated me so much, I was polite and quiet kid.
for 6 years I leaved with the naivety if I do well in school everything will be good in life so I busted my ass to do good in all classes and I was the favorite of all teachers, even tho I was at best a little over mediocre at everything

when I saw the true and how much I have to work to get what I want and that nothing is guarantied, I started focusing more on drawing on the downfall of everything else, moment when most of the teachers became like how you describe them

ppl just love to tell what to do and when you don't lessen to them they get pissy

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>promise myself I can get cookies after drawing for 9 hours
>cookies are sold out

>>2589304
wow the rest of you have bigger problems i'm sorry

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https://daarken.com/blog/2013/09/11/low-pay-no-way/

This post made me feel down. Especially since studio work for me is basically not happening.

>>2587129
lol I've done something like this. This girl who gave me her number started really insulting me over texts one day. Then I try to do a photo study/copy a face out of a book and draw the girl who gave me her number's face on accident.

>>2589226
>"anon, we met this guy who used to work for disney and we want you to meet with him"
I dunno about you but I'd listen to what that guy has to say.

>>2589226
Post your tumblr anon. Even if it's shit, I'll follow you. And I will keep track of your progress

>>2589281
i guess i've just gotta keep doing that, then.
>>2589286
get out there bro
>>2589295
i feel guilty when i beg people for art of my OCs.
it's not even that i really forced myself to design them, i just really really wanted to. sometimes i feel really proud of the fact that they exist, even if they aren't acknowledged or popular(yet?)
>>2589325
trust me, i do talk to experienced people my parents meet. it's just that my parents constantly talk about art with me and what i'm going to do with it, but never really mention anything else. didnt mean to give the impression that i don't listen
>>2589330
ok
http://ressq.tumblr.com/

>>2589339
Your OCs lack character.

>>2589346
explain?
a lot of them (like clemente) are just one time doodles. i have like 5 i really care about.

the ones i do care about have extensive backstories

Ok so i see that everyone is preoccupied by plasticity or whatever.

The only way to keep that is to exercise your brain.

Try reading and dancing everyday

>>2589350
Ive looked at your tumblr. Theres nothing about them that makes me want to draw them. Nothing compels me to.

>>2589353
>he felt for the meme

>>2589361
that's fine, but the way you worded that makes me think it boils down to personal taste, or just the lack of content i've posted of them. i post dozens more sketches of them on my personal facebook page and shit like that which might add to their characters??? i honestly don't know what you mean by "lacking character", any advice would be appreciated

>>2585855
You were always able to 'see'

But your hands were not accustomed to move in relation to what you see

There's a reason that you get better with practice: muscle memory and holistic thinking.

>>2589362
*throws a soda can a you*

>>2589411
*throws a (you) back at (you)*

ty for the y

>>2589226
have you tried telling them directly?

>>2589367
the easiest (and harshest) way to say what the other anon meant is that they are lame and unoriginal. No offense.

>>2589443
yeah, and it usually ends with them not bringing it up for a day or two, then talking about it again.
>>2589445
>calls them lame and unoriginal without offering advice or critique
>"no offense"
yeah ok

>>2589459
>>calls them lame and unoriginal without offering advice or critique
>>"no offense"
>yeah ok
They are not interesting to look at. What do you want me to say? Saying something is uncompelling can be helpful. Maybe others feel differently though. No reason to get so defensive. Also I found that most of your faces look VERY similar.

>>2578089
>got accepted into the national academy of arts
>don't know how will balance classes and work

About to study business administration but i seriously want to study sonething related to art

>>2589459
Think of it this way: They look like forgettable NPCs in a game than a main character you'd want to know more about. Some anon wrote about character design in the pixel art thread and I think it's pretty more or less what I wanted to say.
>>2573975 Bucket of salt and all that. Think of layers to give a character; why are they holding this, acting like that, give them a setting that'd make them interesting. Your thunder? themed OC just shows me different expressions, you don't tell me his story. Is he a lame office worker? Or a toned down superhero without a costume? Some scientist that's dying of a cough? Start by looking at their background, I scrolled down a little and saw that he's part of this noble gases group? Nothing gives me the impression they're gases, except for Helium and the last one a bit. If they're part of a group, maybe consider having something in some part of all their designs to link them together. Something to make the viewers want to look at more of them.

you could doodle

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>been seriously drawing for a year or so now
>studying loomis and stuff
>Take Art at A level
>be the only boy in the whole class
>initially suck balls, doing tone studies of instruments under soft lighting
>first real project, music
>decide to do an illustration based on the jazz age
>teachers are impressed and encourage me to keep going
>teachers considerably less fond of the rest of class
>I want to help them with loomis, but I thought it might seem rude
>final piece for project sucked shit but I'll do better

>1 1/2 years later
>school over
>got offers from every single uni I applied for
>high grades for all 4 projects
>I didn't really improve much
>I didn't get to know any of the girls because I was too busy working
>lost contact with most of my friends
>I can hardly start a conversation never mind keep one going
>I've lost all inspiration for personal projects

Oh god what's happened to me?
I thought it was meant to be a great time.
I never talked to anyone. I was too busy working.
I want these 2 years back. I haven't learnt or developed.

I don't know if I want to make it anymore anons...

>>2589686
That's why you should leave humanity behind and make art all the time. Your life will be easy and you don't have to worry about anything.

>>2589686
literally me. but at least you did it with art

I was excelling with all classes since I didn't know what I want to do in life, but when I decided I want to draw, 6 years of school sum'd to 0

now I am drawing in my free time while having a job with /ic/ as my teacher, classmates and procrastination grounds

>>2589712
what course did you take? and what's your job now? i'm kind of on the same boat but i'm still thinking if i should jump ship.

>>2589716
1. economy
2. paper stuff
3. thinking of jumping ship too, but planning to do it when I'll be more confident in my skills

>>2589722
well good luck man, hope it works out for the both of us.

>>2589703
but I don't want to leave humanity behind
I'm so alone

Tfw I have a 24 year old neet friend whos really bad at drawing. He wants to be a comic book artist for marvel, all he does is post bad traces of superheros on facebook and when he doesn't trace its chris chan tier blob people. Then he complains about not getting enough likes and messages me all the time about his depression. Ive tried motivating him to learn but he doesnt think he needs it. Its depressing to see him struggling like this i dont know what to do other than tell him he should change his career path.

>>2589733
We are here for you Anon : )

>be 26
>want to learn to do art
>no confidence to do stuff

I just don't know how I could get over this.
I wanted to do art for years but I simply bounce back from the starting difficulties.

>tfw I can't even get friendzoned
This is just sad

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>>2586797

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>>2587310
solid tips. thanks anon

>>2581264
Funnily enough that was the dream for me a couple of years ago.

>>2589036
>>brain slowly losing its neuroplasticity
Maybe you never had it

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>>2587459
I had a similar situation, but when I started struggling I just went back to fundies.

>drawing ok people
>try to design a monster
>immediately ragequit
>come back later and lay down silhouettes from reference (cloverfield, final fantasy, ect)
>sketch figures based on silhouettes
>add defining features like claws/jagged jaw/ect
>use what little knowledge of anatomy I have to exaggerate muscles
>end up with passable shark-looking creature

try breaking it down desu. it wont be perfect but you'll be making progress at least.

>>2589686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Gg9CqhbP8

>>2587310
Thanks for the recommendation.
I'll read it later.

>>2586174
Rigging four different characters is pretty impressive desu. Assuming you did it from the ground up in Maya or something.

>>2587310
I will try these. Thank you!
I know I can make it, I just need to outsmart my laziness.

>>2589353
>dancing
What?

>>2586858
Is that true? It scares me a bit to think about it...

>>2589823
its not so bad if you have at least double ligaments

>>2588466
>>2588485

Urgh, Not as bad, but my art teachers were all the same. Is there something about teaching art to kids that just attracts hateful pieces of shit?

Every single art teacher I ever had, if I did things their way, I went completely unnoticed regardless of whether I was actually learning something, and if I deviated from any arbitrary thing they told me to do regardless of how it impacted my schoolwork, I got yelled at as if I took a shit on my desk and used it to scrawl 'fuck authority' on the wall.
Like they're just fucking babysitters telling the kids to 'go draw something' to keep them busy. If that's all they're going to do while pretending to be a teacher, fine, but they could at least ease up on the fucking insults.

I honestly wish we'd never had art classes in school, they did nothing but kill any interest and confidence I had. I never understood why people get all up in arms about muh arts getting their budgets cut, fuck the arts. It's the goddamn information age, anyone who actually wants to can learn in your their time from internationally accessible teachers who actually know what the fuck they're talking about and don't get their life force from making kids feel like shit.