BEGINNER THREAD

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Dumping these feature tuts.

Remember to focus on construction more than features, though.

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Hey, I'm trash.

Posted in another thread but this seems more suitable.

First attempt at wet on wet, don't think I got enough liquid white on there prior to starting.

Or are landscapes just considered shit teir here?

I've noticed that the fastest way to learn for me is through watching someone else perform the task before trying it myself. I think it applies to art as well.

I wish more artists would upload or stream their workflow though I certainly understand why someone would think that a bother.

>>2492191
>look how good my first attempt is
>I'm gonna post this over and over instead of doing more paintings

I'm going to buy all the books listed in the sticky, but where do I go from there? What am I supposed to do after I study all those books?

>>2492298
You'll know after reading those books. Reading and understanding those books could keep you busy for at least half to a whole decade.

>>2492303
there are still other things I should learn along the way though. Like anatomy. Am I supposed to just read standard biology class books or what?

>>2492304
There are books for that too, like Sarah Simblet's anatomy for the artist

>>2492155
>>2492156
>>2492157
>>2492159
thanks for all of those i was struggling when i draw face

observation is first
drawing with reference is second
drawing with imagination is last...

>>2492304
books are fine for anatomy but you really should be sitting in on dissections at your local med school

>>2492191
I think it's pretty clear, which is good, but I recommend including more atmosphere. Basically, create depth through adding the colors of the sky to distant objects.

None of you are ever going to make it as long as you waste all those hours on League of Legends and Dark Souls 3.

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>>2492315

Shut the fuck up you incoherent fuckboy. You're the type of may may who goes around giving shit advice when you have no idea what you're talking about. Fucking kill yourself.

>>2492355
You're never going to make it to challenger as long as you waste all those hours on loomis.

>>2492361

I made it to Challenger and then quit my lcs team. What have you done with your life?

>>2492362
show work

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>>2492364

>>2492294
I posted in a dead thread, this one seemed more lively.

:^)

>>2492344
Thanks that sounds interesting, I'll play around with that next time.

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Hey, what do you guys think?

Please forgive the notebook paper

>>2492386
>>2492391
For fuck's sake, I hate using phones.

>>2492391
blog? you're not good, don't feel good about me asking.

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>>2492154
>finish
>yeah i feel comfortable posting this
>open up the thread
>check the file thumbnail
>see one thousand mistakes

it's a good hurt

>>2492304
draw bones and try to get your hands on some fake bones.

understanding the way bones interact with each other inside the body made me understand why the exterior looks the way it does, every bump and curve makes more sense when you understand which bone is causing it.

>>2492472
I don't have one, the closest thing I do have is a shitty deviantart I haven't updated in ages

Why?

>>2492583
Why did you draw him so sad? Is there something you need to talk about with us?

>>2492661
There's a fine line between sadness and what he's supposed to be conveying.

All in the eyebrows.

>>2492661
It's depressing to be popular and handsome.

>>2492643
because we draw similarly and i was interested.

>>2492366

After seeing it so many times I grew to love this piece.

>>2492366
>confident expression
>intimidating pose with finger slightly over trigger as a sign of readiness
>other hand gripping knife covered in blood to imply action

What's there not to love about this piece?

I've been drawing for about a month now and I just find it insanely boring to draw with pencil and paper. I doodled a bit with photoshop and tried to draw with my mouse and ended up getting a better eye than what I could do on paper. Granted I undid a lot of mistakes I still enjoyed it more doing it on the PC over paper. I used to do a lot of graphic design stuff back in the day for fun so I guess that is probably why I prefer digital. However I don't have enough money to invest in a tablet with a screen right now and I can't stand drawing with pencils but I want to practice.

>>2493057
>I don't have enough money to invest in a tablet with a screen
Buy one without a screen? Whatever the new wacom equivalent to the old bamboo is.

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>>2492154
can't seem to get the likeness :/, does that come with rendering usually? what sticks out the most?

>>2493101
is this from life? you can't get likenesses from imagination because there's nobody for it to look like, and the way to get the most extreme likeness in life drawing is to draw without construction.

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how did I do?

I kinda lost interest after I realized I needed more practice varying line weight. But I'd still appreciate critique or suggestions for what to practice.

>>2493108

You're better than me at rendering so I can't help much, but I think the edges on the cylinder look a little off. The cube looks great, especially the cast shadow and the planes facing the viewer. However, the bottom edges look slightly odd. I don't have the ref so I don't know if it's actually wrong.

>>2493106
look at the op

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>>2493128

Forgot to save after resizing

>>2493057
The biggest part is loving the process of drawing. Traditional has a lot of upsides when compared to digital, but if you can't enjoy it, there's little use.

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>>2493108
my reference

>>2493130
The lines are scratchy, elements of plane are bit messy and perspective of upper wing is broken.

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Can someone more knowledgeable in perspective explain why vanishing points can be in places OTHER than the absolute edges of the horizon line? How is it possible for two VP's to be in positions like pic related?

>>2493157

I have no idea what that picture is supposed to illustrate.

A vanishing point is always located on a horizon line, but you can (need) to have multiple horizon lines depending on your scene.

>>2493157

Think of a street intersection, a "Y" intersection, like this:

http://www.aviewoncities.com/nyc/flatiron.htm

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this took me 25 minutes

How do I know when I'm no longer a beginner?

>>2493256
When you post in the drawthread and only two people complain.

>open thread, expect beginner stuff
>see totally not beginner level stuff
a-am I really just that bad

>>2493260
It's all perspective.

Keep grinding.

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>>2493234
Read the sticky

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(can't wake up)

>>2493315
better

need to be more fluid with your values

>>2493277

I agree that anon should read the sticky but so should you. Your redline is only barely better than the original.

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>>2493234
second attempt. this was the first time I felt like I was in the zone during a drawing. as someone who's been scared of drawing, it feels like i got over a mental hurdle. i know, it's bad, i'll read the sticky

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Just wondering if I'm on the right track with proportions.

>>2493368
are you drawing Justin Trudeau? If you are, make his cheeks a bit thinner, and you've got yourself a Prime Minister.

Tips for planar analysis? it's easier said than done

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tried OP's pic and got a gary busey out of it. guess it's back to the lab again, yo

>>2493426
resize

try drawing less of the lips and use value to imply the shape

I was doing pencil/arm control exercises like lines and planes, and I thought it was going to be dumb and boring but it was the most chill I've been in a while. Time flew past.

>>2493444
Exactly my thoughts. I find it a great way to transition/warmup from doing whatever I was doing into study mode.

>>2493443
sorry didn't realize it'd come out that large, i just took a shitty picture from my phone and didn't check

yeah i gotta work on values (and construction too), thanks anon! will probably start with value shading charts cause my pencil control is shit

>>2493057
I'm in a similar boat, anon. I've always wanted to learn to draw and would, every six months or so, decide to start, buy some pencils, steal some paper from the printer and then attempt to draw for a couple of hours before giving up in frustration and boredom. Something about sharpening pencils and ruining paper with erasers just irritates me.

Until about three weeks ago, when I used some online store credit to get an entry-level Wacom Intuos tablet (equivalent of US$125 in my currency). It was a bit weird for the first hour or so, but I'm basically used to using it now. And I've been drawing every day (up to perspective chapter in the Edwards book) and actually enjoying it way more than I did on paper.

I'm just kinda worried that I'm ruining my chance of ever getting good by starting with digital when everyone says to start analogue.

>>2493555
No rules, only tools anon. Digital is as solid a medium as pen and paper, just try and avoid certain digital shortcuts so you're not replacing fundamental skill with the computer.

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Unfinished work

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Would drawing from a reference sheet like this be a good way to learn?
Im currently drawing it but at a larger size to try
I feel like this is my best way to understand how the way basic muscles work
Like how the way the waist starts to curve out then how it chances again at the waist

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just started loomis yesterday, i know i did a lot wrong but I'm not sure what exactly

>>2493670
Reduce you chicken scratch keep practice proportion of loomis head

>>2493672
thanks

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I'm trying to break free generic anime poses and style, to later go back to it with a more refined style, pls help.

>>2493645
Why not just figure draw on your own?

Looking at other ppls studies can help you understand how they construct, but I would NEVER learn from just one source.

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>>2493698
I think I draw way to basic
Im trying to learn perspective but its just not working
Also I suck at thinking of poses

>>2493679
There are a couple places where your hatching does not show the shape, like on the right bicep. Stop chicken scratching so much too. >>2493700
Perspective is honestly the easiest part of drawing. You just need to find a few good examples to learn. I would post the Loomis page if I had it. You can do it.

>>2493679
ear
>>2493606
construction
>>2493426
symbol/not looking ( eyes)
>>2493277
blog

>>2493645
No , i don't think it's a good idea since those bodies have some exaggerations. I recommand studying the body after photos of people , then after you manage to get a grip of the anatomy and be able to draw without reference a proportional and acceptable human body, you can start with drawing after the pic you posted

>>2493734
using block and bone when i constructive hand

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Various heads from around the board trying to draw 50 in total by the end of the day.

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Done

>>2493679
Don't be lazy with the ears

>>2493918
Keep grinding construction

>>2494002
Not that anon but what's best for beginner construction? Faces are very detailed so it becomes kinda a shitshow with a lot of symbols, are there any better subjects to practice construction on?

I love working with vine charcoal, but I have a hard time properly conveying all of the values, primarily the lighter ones. Do you guys have any advice on how I can get better at this?

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Doing lots of quick studies.This one was a bit under 10 mins.

>>2493917
>>2493918

Work through Keys to Drawing, read the sticky

>>2494032
Buildings and furniture

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Hello /beg/, any tips for improving this? love you guys

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How do I stop myself from drawing my faces so wide, and I can't seem to get down drawing the closer eye in 3/4 view. It always feels wonky to me. Am I screwing up my construction?

>>2494206
>How do I stop myself from drawing my faces so wide
>Am I screwing up my construction?

Drop the anime for now.

>>2494204
Love the sense of scale here. Are they under a ceiling or is it open sky because the ground shadows are just a little inconsistent to me.

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>>2492154

Here Teacher, I was trying to convey that old rule in art that says "anime is always better"

>>2494233
gorgeous

>>2493057
That's why you draw what you want to draw while doing studies. It has the benefit of applying the stuff you learned while helping you understand what you don't.

>>2494225
thank you. the idea was that it was some crustacean monster awaken from a damp crevace. so vrey limited lighting. That being said, compression lowered the contrast of everything in the picture, so it looks darker than it should

>>2494204

Push the values on the left claw, especially where it's blending into the leg. Try to push contrast throughout the picture.

Paint it's bottom. It wouldn't be completely dark, there would be some reflected light

Try to think about using value to show the change in distance from the front to the back of the scene

You can find a lot of great advice for these kind of pictures here

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbdyjrrJAjDIACjCsjAGFAA

>>2494206
>>2494223

This.

Do Loomis heads, skull studies, and asaro heads until the structure of the human head is burned into your mind.

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>>2494322
thank you for your help as well. Funny enough these are most of the things I fixed between replies. Here's an update (I'm also curious if compression will fuck the contrast again)

>>2494334
That's a puddle he was standing in? Thought it was an area of light

Pretty obvious it's rain.
Puddle needs to be more of a puddle though.

>>2494340
*raining

>>2494334
It did. Does anyone know why this happens? I know I am working large but when I bump it down to 1000X569 the contrast stays the same for me in the file. Everything just ends up darker
though
>>2494338
yea its a puddle. The values are a bit off to so I guess it looked like it was glowing. Not for this one but that would be a cool Idea though, sorta turn the tables and make it seem like mr crabs in for more than he can chew
>>2494340
thanks, I'll take that into effect, but I was going for more of a foggy, heavy air, after a heavy rain feel. I'll make more puddles to fit the feeling better

>>2494355

what's your deal with crabs man

>>2494355
Export settings?
Saving under cmyk while in a rgb workspace usually results in a slightly duller image.

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>>2494397
Thanks! that did it
>>2494378
Idk lol. they're just fun to look at for me

I think its done now. Thanks for your help all!

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i'm trying to have fun with drawing but it's very stressful. here's a circle i tried to draw to calm down my autism. it's not a good circle, but i think i had fun drawing it

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rip me to shreds please

draw circle
draw bone
draw muscle
draw skin
describing

'how to draw human'

>>2494490
loomis

>>2494490
You would benefit from Peter Han

>>2494453
Draw from your shoulder.

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uuuuh
Trying to be more dynamic, and I wish I were dead

>>2494453
just draw a shit load of circles. 100 circles later and you should have yourself some pretty good circles. They're just circles, so 100 isn't all that bad.

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made from reference, they barely look like their photo around 20ish minutes for each one, where did i go wrong.

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>>2494532
construction, most features are off

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Little advanced but if you're into rendering, here you go.

>>2494710
>advanced
this is like rendering 101, and not very good either.

>>2494716
I mean advanced compared to the current level of people who have already posted.

Care to explain why it's not so good?

>>2494725
look at the final image and ask yourself if that's your goal. blotchy, dull colors, with heavy handed brushwork

Going back to fundamentals, does anyone have that image of a bunch of spheres lit from all angles?

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Did i do the good? because i want to fucking die.

>>2494781
looks great :]

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update

>>2493555
same, drawing on digital is just so much more fun than pencil/pen and paper for me but I see a lot of anons saying you gotta start traditional

>>2494781
SYCRA?

>>2494857
YES

>>2494864
I love your work brah <3

The sticky aint enough. what else can i use to git gud?

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bleh

>>2494871
that isnt sycra....
wew lad

Whats a good setting to have my monitors at? Because right now one of them is a bit duller than the other, which one is the right one? Why does every screen have to be different?!

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>>2492154
Really wish i could draw like Ralph Bakshi
Any hints or places to begin?
Ive never tried animation before

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Week into drawing, Loomis is cool but its not super fun and im not very into reading atm

I've been having fun drawing my old favorite cartoon characters though, is this a good way to practice before i start figure drawing?

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guys how do i water

/ic/ ive been at this for almost two years and made lot of progress but i still cant do lines for anything. am i retarded or something. ive been doing peter hans warm ups everyday for the past few weeks but i just cant seem to have it translate into being useful in practice. do i just accept my fate that ill never be able to draw efficiently. am i fixable?

>>2495043

>do I just accept

No you dingus. You won't improve your lines unless you specifically practice them. Post what you've been doing.

>>2495013

Having fun drawing is going to help you retain your interest but it's probably not going to help your ability to draw in the long run.

Loomis is boring but keep at it. Retaining the information in those books will carry you far.

When drawing from the shoulder, using tripod grip, is the hand supposed to contact the paper? It feels more stable if it does, but the friction is uneven as the hand slightly catches the paper or not, and that harms the lines. Also the friction completely changes at the edge of the paper. Am I supposed to support the hand in free air? Or use a slippery glove?

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>>2495046
i did this
>>2490655

pic related is the piece of fucking shit im starting right now. i cant even manage straight lines ffs. maybe im just doing bad because im getting irate with this non /ic/ related project? ref is >>2473496 not sure if yous to archived threads works if not ill post the ref

>>2495059

At your level there is absolutely nothing wrong with using a ruler to help with straight lines, especially in a piece like that where perspective is important.

If it's really bothering you, block out some time and just draw lines every day. Line confidence and stability are things you can grind out with some patience.

>>2495059
Autism.

>>2495059
i can feel dept in that sketch

>>2495074
why do you think that?
>>2495073
>patience
i think that might be my problem. im going to have to grind harder. thanks

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>>2495077
thanks but the lines are fucking horrible.

this is what i mean. and this is was with lots and lots of ctrl + z

>>2494515
do i need an easel too? i've just been drawing sitting on my bed

>>2494528
what if all 100 circles i made are bad? does that mean i should quit drawing?

>>2495042
You must think like water.
You must move like water.
You must be water.
Only then can you draw water.

>>2495144

If all 100 are bad draw 1000.

Unless you want to give up which is fine but if you do don't come back.

>>2495200
water is wet

>>2495276
grass is green

>>2495276
You're onto something.

>>2495200
>>2495276
>>2495278
stop being ridiculous and fetch me a water drawing tutorial. i demand it.
jokes, i'll just do some research on the mater. read a book or two about photorealistic water rendering, maybe look up references and check out how other artists solved the problem. cheers.

Sometimes I wish that I can start from the beginning again.

I learned bad habits and now I can't unlearn them.

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These are 30 second gesture drawings, what are the biggest flaws and how do i correct them? I`ve been struggeling with gesture for a while now.

>>2495357
like what?

>>2494453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>2495377
Looks like balloon people. Use simpler shapes to stay consistent.

>>2495289
We all are.

>>2495393
Thanks, will try.

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>>2492154
*TRIGGER WARNING, TERRIBLE GESTURES*

What am I doing wrong? How can I not be so shit, these are 30 second gestures btw

>>2495770

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2yGDw1cgh8

>>2495797
still old but vilpoo looks young here

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proport guy, any word?

>>2495770

I've always felt like gestures are actually a pretty terrible beginner exercise.

Better you get the hang of forms and proportions first. Yes, they'll be stiff, but I think you'll learn more from doing some stiff figure drawings and constructions than you will from dozens of 30 second gestures at the start. A good gesture is basically depending on letting your muscle memory and intuition take the reins, and if you don't have muscle memory or intuition it's not going to do you much good.

>>2495824
anyone here? I haven't gotten any critique with these two.

>>2495824
>>2493397

>>2495867

The problem is that pretty much everything is wrong. Your proportions are completely off, it looks flat, your line control is bad, etc.

What have you been working on? Have you read any books yet?

>>2495874
I've been trying to copy human figurines and measure the body parts. It's not as simple as it seems. It's really confusing to measure as well.

>>2495874
I read the first book, and I'm working on the second Loomis, I just wanted apply what I learned so far. Anything I should do?

>>2495889
Keep grinding and always notice what is wrong so the next time you draw, you don't make that same mistake.

>>2495893
fine.

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posted when the other beginner thread died

pls critique

I'll draw the OP dude tomorrow.

>>2495908
Think you got the eye left eye size wrong giving her a derp look.

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>>2495908
flat symbol drawing matey.
it would do you well to go through keys to drawing again(assuming you have, it's a must for any beginner.), also head construction and building with forms so you can feel the shape, since this looks very 2d.

>>2495951
Thanks, yeah i have not fully gone through it I'll focus on reading/doing it all. I'm just trying to not overwhelm myself with too much information. I just wanna focus on basics right now and learn to draw what I see properly.

So I just got finished with chapter 2 of Keys to Drawing, Do I have to repeat the projects if they look like shit? Or do I just need to get through the book first? I get the lessons and I do my best to follow the instructions but every project is different so I feel like I'm not getting enough practice with any particular one of the lessons.

I was about to complain that I draw everything out of proportion and then I noticed chapter 3 covers all that.

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I have like 50 sheets of gray construction paper, so I decided to draw something on it. Some of the colors are transparent, so I think I'll just stick with working in monochrome on it, or change mediums.

>>2496059
Also didn't realize the file was so big. Sorry.

>>2496043
pls help

>>2496070
>>2496043
Beginner here. I think as long as you did the project as described, you don't need to re-do it. I think you'll just get better as you go on. After you're finished and don't know what to draw, you could try to revisit them to see how you've improved.

>>2496082
Alright, thanks. Also should I keep drawing from real life after I'm done? I kinda want to draw animated (western) stuff more than anything. How do I begin to go down that road? It's not as complex as real life.

>>2496089
no matter what style you're going for, drawing from life lets you have a solid grasp on how to stylize things when you do draw them

>>2496094
I see, thanks. But how will I turn that into toons? Should I try to draw the characters from my mind or do I trace them as I see them? When can I start to make them pose how I want them to?

I know I'm getting ahead of myself but it helps if I see the path forward.

>>2496059
>50 sheets of gray construction paper,
lel gj

>>2496098
It was for my basic design I class. Literally only used 4 sheets, and 50 pack was the smallest amount. So, I'm trying to use them up.

>>2494729
>end of part 1

check your retinas

>>2496096
>how will I turn that into toons?

That comes along the way the same way "style" does because if you think about it, they're not very different. Focus on your fundamentals for now and your toons will emerge from the way you draw certain things.

You're going to be discouraged when you draw from imagination because it's a fairly difficult task to do, even for people a little above beginner level. But the important thing is to keep grinding.

>>2496128
And how does that grind look like exactly? focus on a small aspect you suck and keep trying till it gets better?

>>2496150
What do you think it means?

>>2496152
I dunno, I suppose it means to keep trying to get to where you mean to go?

Now I'm not in a rush to buy a tablet although I could easily afford the cheaper versions. When should I start thinking about buying one? I'm telling myself to at least stick with this shit for a few months before I go and spend money.

>my stuff is looking the same 8 days later

So much for thinking that I am improving. In terms of drawing the body, is it efficient to start with faces first or the whole body without details then work on the individual details?

>>2496157
It's definitely a good idea to push for improvement every day but you gotta give yourself some leniency. Especially if you're already past your noob gains stage.

It doesn't matter what you start on, but whatever you do you need to grind construction before working on features. Bad construction = bad details = shit art.

>>2496158
I guess that I will practice more proko heads then. Maybe go through keys again.

Who would yoy recommend for whole body construction?

>>2492155
What I just needed. I was having problems converting facial features to lines.

>>2496160
I think Vilppu for gesture because he explains it the best (but always take a peek into others), but before that the general consensus in the beg threads is to understand anatomy before diving into gesture (some anons were talking about it up above).

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>>2495889
So at your current stage, you should honestly just draw whatever the fuck you want. Keep pushing until you obtain solid muscle control and organic lines. Proportions can come with time, you're a little ahead of yourself right now.

It would be safer for you to find something else to draw instead of doing gestures and anatomy right off the bat. I started with forming skulls and faces out of basic shapes, but do what works for you.
>>2494527
>mfw you need this: https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-72f-FzW7wYN_r0ny/Bridgman%20-%20Complete%20Guide%20to%20Drawing%20from%20Life#page/n0/mode/2up

Also, don't draw outlines, draw like a painter. Think about shapes and shading. Read/re-read the sticky as well.
>>2496157
YOU ARE ALWAYS IMPROVING. Never once think to yourself that you aren't, because you'll only not improve if you convince yourself that. Stay confident, keep drawing. Start with whatever you want if you're only a week in. I began with skulls and faces for 2months/6-7hours a day, because it was fun for me. You can start thinking about everything after you start to "get" construction. If you feel frustrated, just clear your head and do what's fun. You'll see the fruits of your labor if you use your head and keep up your hard work.

>>2494490
Look at the top of both cylinders.

I also highly suggest using your drawing tool to get the angles of objects, even possibly using the tool along with your thumb to try to measure objects.

Redraw it, you don't have to shade it, but redraw the image, I am sure you can see some of the faults of how much you see certain shapes to how high others come in relation to one another.

>>2493108
Good, but none of the objects are pure white in the reference so you need to go to the lighter areas with a light gray rather than straight white.

>>2494034
ditch the vine charcoal and use a charcoal pencil

>>2495862
I agree. when i first started gestures they didn`t look anything like gesture drawings, they looked like a preschooler tried to draw a human body.

Once i build a lot of bodys out of individual shapes, and i got a grasp of how the body is build, my gesture drawings got a LOT better automatically. Improving my linework with
>>2495388
also helped.

I have a particularly unsteady hand and although I've drawn casually my entire life lines I draw are still noticeably shaky. Which medium would be best to practice and develop for someone in my situation?

>>2496355
Tons of people have that, don't limit yourself.

>>2496355
medium is exchangeable, the problem is that your hand isnt trained enough, draw more. Pen, pencil, doesnt matter.

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>>2496249

>>2496432
That's symbol drawing right? Newbie here :p

>>2496432
messily sketching without any thought isnt going to help. the front of the pyramid is all kinds of wrond, the angle is way higher on your drawing as if your looking down on the scene so the cubes and plane are strange, yet you straight up copied the cylinder without changing the perspective to fit your drawing.

construction isnt something you can rush, if you get it wrong your picture will look off.
dont copy the reference, work out the lines and how they work in a 3d environment so that you understand it, thats what construction is for.

>>2496441
replied to the wrong dude, but you get what I mean

>>2496441
>>2496444
Wait so is this critique for me?
>>2496432
This guy

>>2496102
oh. I thought it was a pun.

>>2494781
Someone's been watching sycra

i had drawing experience pencil drawing photo bashing whatever shit like that
but i'm still new at figure drawing
yeah that point is absolutely crap for me
is this book is good for me? i'm gonna study it when i has neet time

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>>2496502
forgot the pic

>>2496440
Newbie here as well.
He drew 3D objects in space, isn`t that the exact opposite of symbol drawing?

>>2492154
I've never understood this

>sticky says watch essential videos about shading, 3d structure, gesture lines circles

>keys to drawing teaches you to draw what you see

which one should I go for first. Does it matter? I don't wanna overwhelm myself again to the point I just give up.

>>2496602
Why not both

>>2496602
Literally everything you see is reflected light on 3d structures.

A first good step imo is to learn how to draw the 5 basic shapes in perspective.
Elipses, Boxes, Cones Pyramids and Tubes. Everything consits of these shapes, or a combination of them. Once you can draw them, and get some sense for perspective, you can basically draw anything.

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I'm still not too familiar with the types of art and what art falls into which category, take this painting for example, would it be considered contemporary art because an artist in the 21st century made it? or would it fall into some other category because I can't find how it relates to modern day life?

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Just started painting digitally. This looks better on my tablet, but on my main computer the values look a bit better. huh.

Anyway, and suggestions?

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Critique? Its meant to be Maude Garrett as Harley Quinn.

>>2494895
read on color theory
2bright and hurts eyes

but I like your idea

>>2496683
Symbol drawing.
Aka, you have no basics.

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Critique on this sketch?

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>>2495731

>>2496683
sticky

>>2496701
you are terrible

>>2496704
Flip horizontal and see where you messed up.

>>2496536
no no, symbol drawing means that he's not looking at what he's drawing. For example he saw a pyramid and just drew it. He was supposed to observe the lines, not the object, that's why the angles are wrong.

>>2496821
oh ok, thanks for clarifying.

>>2496701
Use more layers so you don`t have to erase as much. Also get rid of the chicken scratches, get confident in your lines.

>>2496704

It will help you a lot to just slow down with everything. Take your time deciding each time before you put your pencil down, is this in the correct position, do I need to take more measurements to be sure about this, how do I want to execute this stroke, just settle down and think things through. Believe it or not, there's more measuring in drawing than actual drawing. You can really see this with minimalist work that focuses on stroke economy.

When you first start drawing it's very easy to get caught up in the urge to just start making marks. You go over and over, hunting for what you think looks right but never really getting it. You forget to measure properly, to observe your subject looking for shapes, angles, distances, proportion. It just ends up messy and unworkable, you can't clean it up nicely or fix mistakes in your lay-in easily.

A good thing to keep in mind is the phrase 'measure twice, cut once'. These things take much more patience and focus than you realize when you first start out. Portraits take a long time to do properly, even for a good artist. People show off doing speed drawings on youtube of things they've pre-practiced, or already set up, but from start to finish a portrait can take well over 5 hours. That's without getting into some crazy rendering or painting.

Take your time, don't get carried away, think more about measuring and less about putting marks on the paper

>>2496832
Thats some great advice right here

>>2496665
i suggest you go to draw thread.

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How do you guys go about eye construction? What are the basic lines of constructing an eye? Does construction differ depending on race? (Asian vs Caucasian)

>>2496839

Why do you think that if you don't mind me asking?

>>2496962
it's nosebro

what do you think

>>2497044
rotate and resize

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hope this works

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I started fun with a pencil last week, been drawing these dudes

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My construction is getting better but still sucks.

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>>2497128
It would do you well to not necessarily drop construction, but maintain while you really focus on not symbol drawing. I personally went through drawing on the right side of the brain, but people hate that book because of the slow build up and pseudoscience, if you're not about that go through keys to drawing. Either of those two books are a must for any beginner, and your work really needs it. Keep at it, the lines look good but you can be more confident.

>>2497128

>taking reilly method seriously

it's a meme, son. Stick to Loomis

>>2497128
really, reilly method is not neccesary
knowing face muscle is important
but that method is just useless for me

>>2497128
I don't really think you should be tackling the Riley method just yet, your understanding of the rhythms that the Riley method shows is super all over the place.

If you are going to draw the Riley abstraction, make sure you study a Riley model for a while before trying to apply it.

But at the moment, you can't seem to utilise the method properly, so I suggest studying:

- Further study of fundamental forms of the head (basic construction - focus on studying eyes, and lips, those are your weakest points)
- Perspective studies (Norling's - Perspective made Easy / Scott Robertson's - How to draw / Still Life studies)
- The planes of the head
- Anatomy of the head (lower priority, just to help supplement your understanding of the planes and the Riley rhythms as the anatomy of the head tends to reflect the rhythms fairly well)

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>>2497128
I don't really think you should be tackling the Riley method just yet, your understanding of the rhythms that the Riley method shows is super all over the place.

If you are going to draw the Riley abstraction, make sure you study a Riley model for a while before trying to apply it.

But at the moment, you can't seem to utilise the method properly, so I suggest studying:

- Further study of fundamental forms of the head (basic construction - focus on studying eyes, and lips, those are your weakest points)
- Perspective studies (Norling's - Perspective made Easy / Scott Robertson's - How to draw / Still Life studies)
- The planes of the head
- Anatomy of the head (lower priority, just to help supplement your understanding of the planes and the Riley rhythms as the anatomy of the head tends to reflect the rhythms fairly well)

Keep on drawing anon - and stop symbol drawing those eyes!

>>2497151
>>2497154
Woops, double post.

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Just a little request for some constructive criticism, if anyone would be so kind.

>>2497142
>>2497154
Thank you both, this information really helps me out.

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>>2497163
Gesture is okay, but still stiff. The lines tend to create conflicts in movement for the eye. Each line must flow into each other to create the sense of movement. I highly suggest you study the first chapter of Hampton's figure drawing to understand the fundamentals of gesture drawing.

You should then go and study more basic human anatomy so you can understand where the body bends and moves. Studying anatomy will also let you place more anatomical landmarks so you can have the form of your gesture actually come through. At the moment, it's difficult to get any sense of depth from your gestures, and thus movement sort of gets removed from the drawing.

Keep doing those gesture drawings, but make sure to prioritize basic anatomy.

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still learning how to draw hair...

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New to digital, trying to git gud. Any comment is appreciated, thanks!

>>2497174
Thank you very much for your advice.

>>2497193
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>>2497199
It's not supposed to be realistic but I see what you mean. Pic is my reference

I'm really interested in getting into painting, but not so much in realism. My favorite movements are abstract-expressionism and surrealism, and I'd like to paint stuff like that...

How does this work? Should I just jump right into abstract painting, or do I *need* a base of realism first? Honestly, it feels wrong to jump into abstract painting without experience in more conventional styles first, but I'm 22 and have practically zero experience with painting.

In other words, how do I know when/if I'm ready for abstract painting?

Unrelated to the stuff above: Do the rewards of painting outweigh the gnawing sense of being terrible/unoriginal?

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>>2492154
Just critique my shit up fampais

>>2497220
make everything smaller

>>2497193
Them nigger lips

>>2496805
This.

>>2497210
Just shit on a canvas.

>>2497206
As a beginner, stick to doing life studies. Doing a study of something that stylized is useless.

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If you able to realistic human face with imagination stylization is piece of cake
Problem is that is pretty difficult

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Did some studies of eyes from pictures of casts. I get that the lids are supposed to wrap around a sphere but I just can't figure out how to apply it to real photos, like the one in the OP.

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How am I doing?

>>2497541
Make it simpler so you can keep better track of your perspective. You're allowed to use horizon lines and putting down vanishing points.

>>2497324
You have to construct the eye socket, then the eyeball and then the eyelid. Learning anatomy will help a ton.

>>2497220
Proportions are wrong, learn anatomy and practice head construction to improve.

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Please disregard the fact that this is Hitler for a minute.

How fucked is this? I think the lighting might be off but I don't know how to fix it without making the character look bare.

>>2497568
Where is the light source?

>>2497574
Middle-left. I should probably study how light falls on cloth and redo the lighting shouldn't I?

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Can someone help me figure out wtf is wrong with this? I feel like the guy's hips/legs are too high up but I'm not sure how I'd go about lowering them. Or maybe the perspective is wrong, idk. Got frustrated and started doing some loomis studies instead, but would appreciate any feedback about wtf is going on here

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head from imagination. does this show fundamentals?

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here is the reference of proportion if you need basic information of loli or shota you might like it :^)

>>2497645
MODSMODSMODS

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>>2497615
Dunno if you're working from reference, but here's a set of similar poses drawn by Mort Drucker that might help you study

>>2497233
>>2497554
Much appreciated

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>>2497686
Thanks anon! And yeah, I'm trying to work from a bunch of poses and sticking them together to produce the picture. I've changed it up a bit, because I think the legs on the guy look better, what do you think?

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>get decent at observation drawing
>can draw literally nothing from imagination

>>2497691
It feels like the guy is on a different plane than the girl, or his head and torso are sinking into the ground plane. The girl and the book suggest that the ground plane is coming towards us more. We are closer to eye level, and it feels like I am laying on the ground with her. While the guy suggests that the ground plane is angled down more, I feel like he is laying on the ground while I am kneeling.

>>2497727
Thanks anon, I can see what you're talking about, a bit shit with perspective. Have you got any suggestions with how to fix it? The only thing I could think of is to physically bring the girl forward and making her bigger but I doubt that would fix the problem ugh

>>2497620
That's pretty good anon, but the mouth looks a bit too much to the left

>>2496824
thanks pally.

>>2497742

No you have to completely re draw one of the people to fit the perspective the other is at. Bringing her forward won't fix the fact that it is impossible to look at two people from separate angles in the same scene. Try to draw the ground plane as a floor underneath the girl and you'll see what's wrong.

>>2497873
Ah ha, I was afraid of that, I'll try redrawing the girl then, thanks again for the advice!

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>>2497881

Super rough, but this is the idea anyway

>>2497934
Ooooh, thanks that clears it up tons! I like the pose left hand pose better, if it's not too much trouble would you mind redlining it over the girl just so I can what to change better? I've tried doing it myself and can't seem to get the pose right still (or find good reference pictures)

desu it's also cool if you don't want to/can't be arsed too either, you've helped loads anon!

How do paint nice texture? Is this drawing technique, brush setting or both?
How do I f. move brush to produce that shit, all the videos and shit do it just so naturally i cant comprehend it.

Also what is ideal canvas size? I work with 5000x5400px but for details it seems low.

Thanks

is it a scumbag move to rip images drawn by others to shirts that are just for personal use?
I don't plan to ever sell these, or create them in mass quantities, just some dumb shirts that I want for myself

>>2498087
Nah w/e just dont sell

Why do most books/some old masters say to start gesture before delving into anatomy? It doesn't make sense. There must be a reason or they wouldn't have said it.

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>>2497724
I know your pain

Is there any way I can learn to draw hair without reference? Whenever I try drawing hair from imagination it always comes out wrong.

>>2498250
What process are you going through? Usually what people tell beginners is to seperate into three distinct forms and then draw (minimal) details on it such as stray strands, sheen from the light onto the hair, etc. only enough details to get the point across and not too much to make it distracting.

>>2498250

I've heard once that you should never try to come up with hair on your own, because unless you're a professional stylist, you're bound to mess it up.

Your best bet is to borrow heavily from reference, and get creative in little ways that aren't going to compromise the entire hair style. Using reference isn't bad. You just don't want to directly copy something unless you're doing a study.

The better answer though, is to just do a massive fuck ton of studies, and build up that visual library.

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newfag here

How would I paint this with acrylic paint?
How hard would it be to paint?

I just started painting a motnth ago and I want to be able to paint this.

>>2498259
about a day if you just copy it

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i hope i can someday get better than a retarded baby with parkinsons. until then, have a laugh with me at my shitty attempt at OP

>>2498314
pssh, nothing personnel

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>>2492154
finished base sketch and gonna start on values. anything outstandingly wrong so far?

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>>2498323
that's a lot better than mine

>>2498323
I like it.

>>2498323
The jawline is more square in the reference.

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>>2498323
head too tall

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I started drawing 6 days ago so be gentle :P

>>2492154
Question:

Pens or pencils?
erasable or permanent?

I use pens and I initially think it's better for improvement when you can't erase your mistakes, but is that the case?

>>2498590
Crayons

>>2498328
yeah I see it thanks
>>2498360
thanks for the redline

>>2498564
please resize next time. you need to learn/practice how to construct the features of the face. like learn the 3d forms of the different planes of each part

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>>2494871

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>>2492154
>>2498829
ok I think i'm done with this one

>>2499038
:O

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Any crits on my spooter man?? Also how do i go about inking the shadows like the comic book artists?

>>2498833
I don't think I've gotten to that chapter yet but thanks I will keep an eye on that! Also I feel the head is a little long but that's because I drew it leaning back on my seat, when I finished I straightened my back and realized it was out of proportion kek