Beginner Thread! 02-17

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>>2403541

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>>2403546

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>>2403550

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>>2403553
I will yet again ask that you change the version on your computer to this image ( cleaned it up a bit)

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>>2403555

Can someone please explain something to me?
How does copying reference in 2d , using relationships, angles and shapes, help you improve drawing from imagination?

>>2403580
it doesnt. but it helps breaking symbol drawing


Read the new sticky.

http://ic-sticky.wikia.com

>>2403581
but don't we use symbols when drawing from imagination?

>>2403584
not if youre building out of forms in your imagination.

>>2403556
If someone could make or has a version of this picture with decent resolution id like for you to share it.

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>>2403586
but aren't those just more complex symbols?

>>2403592
is a perfect sphere a symbol?

>>2403594
I think so, yeah.

>>2403594
No. A circle would be, I guess.

>>2403581
I should have mentioned that I'm having issues with memorizing complex forms, such as the human skull.

I can draw the basic shapes and random forms I come up with from any angle easily but I guess I just need to keep studying the skulls form. I'm struggling with complex and detailed forms in general.

>>2403594
It depends. If the artist understands it in a 3 dimensional space, and can map out the construction of it then, the artists not using symbol drawing. If the artist draws a circle, and doesn't illustrate that he/she understands it in the space it's put in, then that's symbol drawing.

But, I'm in the beginner thread for a reason. This may not be the case, honestly, just head over to the question thread.

>>2403594
>>2403598
>>2403601
>>2403606
I'm pretty sure a sphere is a symbol, it's just more complex. You always use symbols when you draw from imagination, that's where the whole idea of a "visual library" comes from. When you keep practicing, you "upgrade" your shit tier flat triangle eyes to 3 dimensional forms, but at the end of the day, they're still symbols.

>>2403613
So basically that's the point of drawing from reference... do it a whole lot and you'll have a good memory of it. (among other skills of course) Yes?

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>>2403613

>>2403614
Wait....everyone is symbol drawing.
Anon. What have you done...?

Oh shi-

>>2403616
he's right though. although those 'symbols' used by masters are understood so clearly in 3 dimensions they do not resemble at all noobie symbols

>>2403629
I mean we can get philosophical on you... vision itself is but a symbol of reality.

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>>2403634
>>2403635

This is a wonderful start to the beginner thread.

This entire thread is a symbol.

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hand studies from earlier today. also tried to stylize from real life a bit; i drew the big hands first and the small stylized ones second

small question: how do you prevent the paper from smudging excessively or getting too dark when drawing? this time i spilled a bit of water on the paper but other times it still looks smudged.

>>2403679
Fingernails are symbol drawing.

>>2403679
2 ideas:

1) use a basically a mahl stick, like painters do, to rest your hand on
2) Get a transparency sheet and put it under where your hand might touch the paper. Careful to not slide it around too much.

wash your hands before drawing and when needed after sharpening.

>>2403683
you're symbol posting

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>>2403679
Get some of these. They come in a pack of 3 at Kroger. You can probably find them at walgreens too for a few bucks. Basically they're made of magic.

>>2403688
You're symbol symbol.

>>2403683
yeah, i think where i messed up on finger construction/foreshortening really shows because i found myself often having no clue how to draw the nails and just resorted to symbols

>>2403690
yeah, good idea. i'm using a staedler (mars plastic) right now, but since i draw on such a small scale (average letter size paper) that the eraser's useless when blunt

i think i just need to start drawing bigger and being more confident in my lines so i don't chickenscratch as much and end up smudging the page


also PROTIP: if you're left handed (like me) draw from right to left so you don't get smudges on your pinky and palm

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>>2403688
>>2403705
cmon guys don't start shitposting so soon into the thread

What are the main reasons why it's important to draw from life?
I'm confused. Shouldn't photos plus understanding of basic fundamentals be enough?

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>>2403690
Yea, these are awesome!

ALSO
>pic related

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>>2403734
can't forget
>these

>>2403736
You must really like stationary and art supplies.

>>2403741
I do.
Always wanted to own one since I was a kid. I would even go so far as making art supplies...a fool can dream.

>>2403743
>own one

Art Supply Store*

>>2403733
photos tend to warp perspective and since photos don't have the benefit of being viewable in 3d with your eyes' stereoscopic vision, unlike real forms from life, understanding how forms work in perspective is harder with photos

however if you don't have access to life drawing resources, well, you make do

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>>2403580
it helps you develop observational skills
which in turn helps you understand form and light and shadows better
in the end you want your drawing not feel flat

>>2403679
put another paper under your drawing hand to prevent sumdging

I started on the Loomis circle exercises today.
They look garbage as expected, but I'm gonna stick to it. But is there anything else I should be doing on the side? And how long should I focus on the circles before moving to the ball?
This is all so complicated.

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Another attempt on painting rocks. This time using this >>2402321 as ref.

>>2403864
feel free to fuck off out of the beginner thread.

I've managed to steal my sister's drawing tablet for a time and was wondering if for a beginner, it'd be better for me to get started via pen and paper or digitally.

>>2403866
why are you such a faggot?

>>2403871
Traditional is best if you are just starting.
Look up drawabox and do all of the exercises.
This should keep you busy for a couple months.

>>2403878
Alright thanks, and is the recommendation on Drawabox for using pens over pencils valid? I just went out and bought a bunch of pencils so that'd be a little annoying.

>>2403881
Sadly, yes. The point is to build confidence in your lines without erasing.
You should have a pigment liner.
Either a steadler or sakura etc.

0.3 I think the website should tell you.

>>2403866
Uhm thanks. B-but I still feel like I'm too shitty for draw thread.

>>2403884
Right, I'll just need to wait until I can get into town next.
Although, reading the first step at least, I'm confident with my lines.
Just not my circles and everything beyond straight lines and random squiggles.

>>2403888
Don't skip anything. At all.

>>2403887
enjoy that reverse dunning krueger, im going to report you if you keep posting in the beginner thread.

>>2403898
actually i dont want to start a fight ( for this) so be aware im kidding.

>>2403894
O-okay.

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>>2403541
feedback please

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im late but i gave it a try

>>2403966
Please, resize your pictures.

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sorry about that

>>2403969
You need to work on your edge control (hard vs soft) and brushwork. Aside from that, it seems ok to me.

I'm gonna draw 300 muscle for 2weeks
Is it good study?

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>>2403541
haha you call yourselves beginners? look at this

>>2403997
I'm currently drawing straight lines and circles.
Maybe I should start posting those.

>>2403997
this is /ic/ every one is a beginner

>>2404003
>implying I can draw a circle

>>2404003
Why not? Post them to show you're at least doing something and maybe receive advices in exchange

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Do you think that drawing "reality" perfectly is an obligation to draw comics ?

>>2404003
Not even kidding, do it. That is what beginner threads are for. If they aren't straight, we can ̶c̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶a̶ ̶f̶a̶g̶g̶o̶t̶ figure out why and help you improve.

>>2404010
>>2404007
thank you../ic/ have change for the better i can leave now

>>2404007
>>2404010
Oh, alright.
It's Midnight now, but once I get my scanner working tomorrow you can look at the majesty of my semi-straight lines and not-so-circular circles.

>>2404012
Don't leave kind soul.

is cgpeers dead?
I haven't visited it in a while and I'm worried.

>>2404015
I thought you were just joking. Go for it, Anon.

Also, New Zealand? I'm reading 11PM here

>>2404021
Nah, Austraya. I just rounded up to midnight.

>>2404024
My man.

I'm off to bed too now.

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What do you think about that ?

>>2404021
im here forever you know

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>>2404026
resized

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Scanned and painted over my old sketch. Is this a good way to learn painting? Or should I do the whole process on Photoshop?

>>2403993
only if you try to understand their form

>>2404008
no
i don't think anyone should aspire to draw perfect "reality"
you should aspire to learn from real life what makes things more appealing
and how does you make your drawing read more or feel better

>>2404028
you can see it's a dog head, but the whole body seems awful

>>2404037
you need to make a distinction between drawing and painting
in drawing you define form using lines
in painting you use edges and value

what you have there is a colored drawing

When can I "draw what I want", I don't have issue practicing fundamentals but it's getting more and more stilted.

>>2404044
I don't understand, what should I improve on the dog ?

>>2404048
Anytime. Apply what you've learn and see if have reached your goal yet.

>>2403997
I've been a beginner for over a year now

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>this embarrassing moment when you finally started doing your normal human figure gesture drawing schedule but end up doodling crap
Each time I try to be really serious, my hand disobeys and my mind betrays me
wat do?

I haven't made any progress in fucking ages.What the fuck can i do.

>>2404149
It sounds like you hit a plateau. Keep grinding and work through it. Once you do work through it, you'll see big gains.

>>2403900
Reported ;^)

>>2404055
everything anon, every thing

>>2403541
Damn bird I drew ended looking like a crack addict

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>>2404157
I need direction anon. is is really just going through the sticky? working on my fundamentals? this is all ive managed to squeeze out my anus lately

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>>2404164
aw yea das it mane

>>2404123
>>2404123
>>2404123
Can anyone please help me understand color?
Sure I also lack everywhere, but at least I understand what I'm doing wrong/how to train for everything else.

Color? I am pretty much on the skill level of a 5 year old using crayons. I have no idea what direction to go to improve. I see everyone using great colors and mine are shit. Can't even understand what's wrong.

>>2403580
>How does copying reference in 2d , using relationships, angles and shapes, help you improve drawing from imagination?
How else are you gonna get better at imagining accurate things, other than first knowing how said things are in reality?

Did you ever solve math problems by inputting a random result until they told you it was right, or did you first copy an example to understand how it works? Which of the two is going to be faster?

>>2404280
HOLY FUCK LOL I FOLLOW YOU ON DEVIANT ART AND GIVE YOU COMPLIMENTS TO MAKE SURE YOU DON`T IMPROVE AHAH CANT BELIEVE YOURE HERE.

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>>2404301
y-you monster you

I'm just starting to read the sticky and I must ask: what's the difference between Drawing with the Right Side of the Brain and Keys to Drawing? For starters any of them will be good?

Also, it's ok to start Loomis with Fun With a Pencil? Somewhere here I heard that Drawing the Head and Hands is far better to start with.

>>2404301
>I'm trying to help the community

>>2404365
I've also heard second hand stories about him from people on other forums. Apparently hell only ask for help on composition instead of the rendering and hilarious anatomy.

Honestly, I don't know if he knows the amount of laughter he has caused throughout much of the community. I highly recommend his goku vs vegeta.

Plus, I'm not trying to help DA.

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this took a while and the colors were hard to get right

>>2404376
thumbnail was good enough that i confused it for the actual picture for 2/10 of a second!

>>2404301
that is the most evilest thing i always do

>>2404367
>I've also heard second hand stories about him from people on other forums. Apparently hell only ask for help on composition instead of the rendering and hilarious anatomy.
I've never once been in a different forum. I have zero popularity, who exactly would talk about me?

>Honestly, I don't know if he knows the amount of laughter he has caused throughout much of the community. I highly recommend his goku vs vegeta.
My what? I think you got the wrong person here. I never once did a DBZ drawing.

Also, no you do not follow me. I would know, since I have zero followers and zero interaction in any forum.

Speaking of the laughter in the community, it's probably best you re-read your meme bullshit before hitting reply.

>>2404367
Jesus you're head is lodged so far up your ass in surprised you even get wifi there. How much of a faggot do you have to be to think it's cool to talk shit about someone? And you brag about how you do it with this "community." There is no end to your faggotry and it's clear that you've got the wrong artist.

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Gonna dump a bunch of pics of pics. Most are projects from KtD.
Provide your thoughts and pls no bully.
That goes for you too, nose-kun
(1/?)

>>2404185
thats bretty cool
would like to see it like a kind of psychedelic painting

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>>2404412
> who exactly would talk about me?
i will

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>>2404460
I forgot to flip, sorry.
Hand studies I did for whatever reason. I know they suck, I have trouble doing the tips of the fingers and fingernails.

>>2404460
one question is spider-man just jump ? because his feet telling he jut jump?

>>2404412
IM SO SORRY, i really mean it

Had you confused with http://snicholes0000.deviantart.com/gallery/

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>>2404495
image for the un-initiated

>>2404475
He's supposed to be swinging, although his arm clutching the webbin doesn't fit. (everything else looks like shite anyway tho)

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>>2404468
A study of some complicated machinery. i was supposed to focus mostly on one part and just leave the rest as contours.
Also, just realized my image sizes are too big. How do I change them (total computer noob.)
(3/?)

>>2404358
Go straight to the Loomis Heads and practice from life. The two first books mentioned in the Sticky are there just to rid off the symbol-drawing syndrome, and the life drawing practices will serve you right in the same purpose.

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>>2404510
Had to copy an artist's drawing. I chose Matisse.
(4/?)

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>>2404554
>Had to copy an artist's drawing
Had to emulate their style of drawing.

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>>2404557
Tonal bars. Had to go from dark to light.
(6/7)

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>>2404468
>>2404501
1/10 that your sore
more loomis!!

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>>2404561
Had to match the tones in a photo. Gonna post the ref, gimme a second.
(7/7)

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>>2404565
Here's the ref.

>>2404563
Ah, thx for the redline senpai.
>1/10 that your sore
pls no bully

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>>2404571
>pls no bully
you're going to make it someday, Believe Me

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How the hell do I into visual measuring?

>>2404565

It says right in the first post, RESIZE YOUR IMAGES

>>2404589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXTlF4hzaE

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>>2404571
>pls no bully
you will never learn

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10 min sketch i did just now

i fucked up the angle but I think it came out ok.

>>2404641

I want a yuri Bakumon type anime.

>>2404607

Thanks!

>>2404672
Try to do it again. For thirty minutes at least. Poor construction and if you really look at it you can tell there is confusion on the lips, the nose especially, and the chin. Do it again.

>>2404672

At your level I think you should spend a little more time on your studies. 10 minutes apparently isn't enough for you to break out of symbol drawing mode.

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I don't think anyone in the beginner thread should be timing what they do unless it's for gesture drawing but even then I would suggest not be too religious about the time

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>>2404677
happy now ?

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just kill me

Do you guys draw your ref then paint over it?

>>2404925
Pretty much

>>2404900
learn to simplify your value planes, dude. getting holed up in the details.

>>2403555
Who did this tutorial? Even though it has good intentions, the examples of non-symbol drawings are still so bad

>>2404979

Might as well post here also, didn't catch that there was a new thread.

>>2404932
fix it.

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Practicing 100 eyes; halfway through. Can anyone give me some crits since I'm probably doing something wrong?

>>2404995
Do NOT just draw the eye.
Always draw the planes around the eye as well.

You want to make it so that you don't struggle to place the eye inside of the skull properly.

>>2405004
Will do thank you.

How do I cure a really bad art block?

>>2405012
Honestly the best way to get through a block is to draw. It always worked for me.

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Made some tri/quadpedal smaller robots.
This is a fun break between the draw a box exercises.

>>2404927
Yeah I need to start doing this if I ever want to improve. Tomorrow I'll just draw a series of planes.

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Am I doing this right?

>>2405125
Are you visualizing the solid forms?
It looks like you are just copying the contours.
Try drawing spheres and wrap ellipses around them. Think all around the ball of the cranium.
Break it down into simple shapes and matter drawing those shapes first.
Draw the box like jaw shape from all the angles you can think of as well, then come back to the complex form.

>>2405140
I meant master, not matter.
Auto correct a stupid.

>>2405125
Try drawing the jaw and other features using a single clean stroke, like you did the cranium. Don't use chickenscratch (small short strokes to build a large stroke) unless you are going for a particular effect. Also try a brush with some width and pressure sensitivity, since the single pixel line won't convey the flow of your hand as much.

start of first attempt to paint something since doing a few CTRLpaint exercises; how are my colours/values looking for a rough blocking in?

>>2405204
cranium (and some construction lines) is circle tool; you can tell because of the even, perfect progression when it comes to pixel lengths

source: used to use circle tool

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24yo trying this again before i become too old

back to step 1

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I know the behind shadow is pretty lacking. I bought a mannequin and I just put him in a pose and sketch him. I try to take notice of how all the shading comes together to create a more 3d model, then I just do it again with either the manniquin, or just by drawing still life's of something on my desk at work.

>>2405220
Google drawabox. Do all of the lessons.

Do everything it says to and do the challenges.
You need it.

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>>2405215
j'ai oublié l'image

>>2405220
>before I become too old
Get rid of this mindset it won't help you in the long run. It will just hold you back.

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Can someone roast my process, values are obviously off but I'm more concerned with perspective. Help me please.

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>>2405233
Also, gestureeeee???

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>>2405234

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Can anyone redline this quick?

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>>2405140
>>2405204
Better?

>>2405215
Free deform but point taken.

>>2405250
I know it's being recommended a lot but there's a reason why it is.
You should do all the drawabox lessons first.
Then go back to Loomis and Hampton etc.

>>2405250
That looks way better from the standpoint of line confidence. It will make you think about the shape ahead of time and try to produce the stroke confidently. When you are working digitally you have layers and infinite undo, so you can be bold, as long as you feel that you are placing the lines where they should go.

Chickenscratch can be used with a low opacity brush to build up density for shading or when you just want to scribble in some volume to experiment. Also if you are rendering a fuzzy or fluffy texture and you want to show that with a contour line. But I recommend you make them be smooth in order to convey a more natural flow.

>>2405233
Do have a photo reference or a model skull to turn in your hand to look at? It's not bad as just a slice of a study for a larger picture. I might suggest you try decomposing the skull into volumes and drawing planes to get a sense of proportion.

I tried

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whoops image wasn't attached

>>2405288
Not bad. You seem to have good control over your pressure and values. I suggest not bolding in the contour lines and instead using value to define the edge between the object and the background, since real life things rarely have a defined black cartoon edge. Also try using perspective on the circular parts such as the thumbhole and hinge. Make a cleaner ellipse shape squashed proportional to the viewing angle.

>>2405314
Thanks will do

>think I'm still a beginner and totally shit compared to /ic/
>on the other hand worry I'll be called an asshole for being that guy that posts non-beginner level stuff in a beginner thread
what do I do?
[spoiler]I know the answer is just to post it[/spoiler]

>>2405399
shit I forgot spoilers dont work on /ic/
my bad

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Female faces are impossible. I can't even quickly draw hair to not look bad. Nose is so fucked up.

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>>2405434
Keep at it and keep practicing and slowly what looks natural will become natural for you to draw

>>2405440
LOL

>>2405434
Took me 5 years to realize that I need to suck it up and study references if I want nice hair (or nice anything else)

And for gods sake don't rush through it

>>2405230
Lol i didnt know you were quebec scum as well.

>>2405440
This is now printed out and on my wall when I get home.

Lmao

>>2403541
can someone translate this for me
http://imgur.com/YWOZVR9

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>>2405490
but it's already in english

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did these

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>>2405497
also these

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>>2405498
and these too

>>2403894
>>2403906

I take back my previous confidence. I'm shit at lines.

>>2405497
gj
>>2405498
bj
>>2405499
symbol

>>2405505
thanks

what'd you say is the worst mistake I made on the second picture? texture? values?

>>2405498
You seem to be confusing color tones with shading, color tone and shading tones should be taken into consideration so a darker color would have a darker shade tone.

>>2405499
You did so many nice looking 3d shape but I feel you didn't really apply them to the face. Also the hair is just another 3d shape. I would suggest you study statues and sculpture to learn how they do hair, it might give you an understanding on how to do hair and faces in general.

Another little thing I notice but could be wrong is that you sometimes don't shade with the side of the pencils (most noticeably in the apples), this could be because your pencils isn't sharpened enough or you're not holding it properly, I dunno.

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>>2404007
>>2404010
Alright, didn't have much time today so this is all I could get.
Exercise #1 on Drawabox, my first time doing any of the exercises.
Went top to bottom, left to right.

>>2405526
You need to slow down. Your lines should never fray at the ends like that.
Take it nice and steady. Spend time on it.

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>>2404920
Try to show some texture. It looks like your puffing is made out of matte material. There are a few different surfaces that react differently to light in the reference. Mainly the hair and the beak. Look at them carefully and then try to convey them on your canvas. Try using different brushes. I used a transparent brush for the hair and it turned out alright.

>>2405528
Yeah, I noticed that was happening a bit too often afterward.
I'll do the half page and full page lines tomorrow, and then the day after I'll go bad over and do the whole thing again.
I probably won't post my homework everyday, as I doubt you guys wanna see a bunch of crooked lines on a day-to-day basis.
Thanks for the critique though, I was more focused on the body of the line and I think I must've been instinctively flicking my wrist at the end of them.

>>2405525
thank you, you made some really good points on wich I'll try to improve

all the apples except the top one were just really rough studies to get a sense of the form so I did some rather lazy shading

The shading is definitely needs refining though, I'll try holding the pen differently

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>>2405526
Those are some shaky lines, but that's okay, do a bit more and you will improve. Try not to be too fast, but not too slow.
It is a great help if you(for the very couple of first times use ruler for straight line and then superimpose on top of it.

Biggest problem of drawabox in my opinion is that it's author is using greatly watered down Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching and some other readily available through internet master sources filtered through prism of his own competence(which is obviously pales in comparison with actual working professionals).

Which means two things.
First, do not read his explanations and learn theory from Han himself, Robertson, Vandruff, Villpu, Hampton, etc.
Second, you can still do his exercises, they are pretty gud. You can even think about your own exercises that will fit yo. I like for instance doing some of these on pic in addition to usual 2point line and ellipse blob constructions as warm-up. Just don't make them the only thing you do. I mean, you should doodle along with exercises. Do something creative, to preserve the flame. I didn't with mine(went way too far into advanced perspective) so I have a hard time now trying to regain this creative spark. So be warned.

>>2405544
I-I was drawing my lines over already ruled ones.
But thanks for the advice, some of the theory I was reading on Drawabox kinda confused me, I'll be honest.
I'm planning on doing two hours a day, with one hour of the Drawabox exercises as warmups, followed by an hour of studying Vlippu or Loomis, or whatever I feel like for the day.
Also I blame my shaky lines on my schooling, science diagrams don't play nice with straight lines, especially while under a time limit. Is there any advice you could give me as for what I should be doing as "creative exercises", other than the typical Loomis faces I've been butchering, I'm not sure of what else to do.

>>2404565
>>2404561
Anything?
>>2404605
Sorry, i don't know how to. in hindsight I should've asked before posting. Sorry bout that. I'll resize next time I post.

I've been drawing all my life pretty much but it's only been copying what I see and 99% of the time is was some anime/manga. I want to start over and develop better skills and habits so what is the absolute beginner book to read or video to watch? I read the sticky and it listed a few options but I don't know which to start with.

>>2405556
My advice are be more careful about the angles between things like the eyebrows and eye; and the mouth and chin area.
Also notice her chin actually go around the mouth but you sorta just hard outlined it which give her a odd looking chin.
For your shade I would maybe suggest you put less strength into it cause you can see your shading strokes in the hair instead slowly build it up and blend the stroke together.

>>2405575
>Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards / Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson
>Marshall Vandruff's Perspective videos from 1994 / How to Draw by Scott Robertson (Or Perspective made easy by Ernest R. Norling)
>Peter Han's Dynamic sketching videos/class (poorfag version is drawabox.com)
>Figure Drawing for all it's Worth by Andrew Loomis
>Figure Drawing: Design and Invention by Michael Hampton

These are just the resources I like right now though.

>>2405548
In all seriousness you don't really need perfect straight lines, we're not a machines and even pros fuck up. You need approximate straight, which means it can curve a bit, that's okay. End goal of straight line is to connect points in space, and you always have ruler with you, if you know where it lands, what's in between isn't really a problem, you can always blow it on xerox or add new layer in digital and do neat overlay with ruler or line tool.

There is no set rule or guideline on how to approach creative things... I'm struggling with these myself. You can read Sketching the Basics series of books to learn what ways designers use to cope with this problem. You can also look at Robertson's "Skillful Huntsman", which will help too

>>2405575
>>2365106

>>2405587
Thanks, I'll keep that all in mind.
I always thought that when I eventually got off my ass and started it's be trial and error until I got gud.
I wasn't expecting starting off to be so complicated.

>>2405585
Ah, thank you :) And what about the tonal bar, is that okay?

>>2405591
it's a little too blurry to tell but it seems like a good start

>>2405587
>this
in fact, straight lines can almost cause an "uncanny valley" effect, in that it looks too straight, and unreal

>>2404736
STEP ONE STOP DRAWING NIGGERS

>>2405587
>>2405593
I find that really straight lines works for machines and some buildings

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>>2405595
true, but they're not really straight, are they?
Look at these "straight edges"
see how they curve and bend, every so slightly? they have texture too, and be nature texture is not straight overwise it is just flat

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I don't know if I should start with thin people with more well-defined features, or every face goes and I am just using an excuse

Found it pretty difficult to define some planes though, like the area around the cheeks

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>>2405634
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tdu4uKSZ3M

>>2405635
I have no idea what's going on in this post, so "thanks for the critique" just in case

>>2405635
I lold thank you sir

>>2405641
It's a nod to JoJo. lol...

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Does anyone ever get really hyperactive when they realize they're doing something good? Like the puzzle fits together and releases a torrent of endorphines, knowing that you worked so hard to put the pieces of "art" together into something you can see for yourself as a whole greatness, a completed objective, something you can be proud of.

>>2405671
There was one time this or something similar happened to me.
I had just passed the four hour mark with drawing that day...

I then got the urge to draw characters. So I did and what happened was the most euphoric feeling.
I can't recreate it and the day after I looked at the sketches and they were garbage.
But that feeling was amazing. Who knows how or why.

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Finishing touches?

>>2405699
Sorry it's sideways fucking oops

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>>2405699

>>2405699
what the fuck am I even looking at?

>>2405699
Give up on this thing for now.
Go back to using just greyscale and lines, you aren't ready for colour painting yet.

>>2405696
I like where you are going with this.
You have to get away from those lines though.

>>2405696
the orbis look a little... peaked, I guess?

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scrapped begining
I done goofed /ic/
I know you can see that.

I am severely out of practice.
Let's go for round II

last thing I need to resort to is using grids, nah mean?

>>2405725
no, please go back to syria

>>2405635
ILL BE YOUR ROOOOOUNDABOUT

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3/4 head is hard
where is a good place to learn perspective?

>>2405726
Are you stupid?

>yes

>>2405735
generally anywhere with a 3rd dimension

>>2405735
>Marshall Vandruff's Perspective videos from 1994 / How to Draw by Scott Robertson (Or Perspective made easy by Ernest R. Norling)
>Peter Han's Dynamic sketching videos/class (poorfag version is drawabox.com)

You look like you understand form. Keep drawing.

>>2405705
Atleast I got dubs

>>2405747
thanks man

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>>2405726
lol
:)

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Current wip, any tips?

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>>2405767
Reference, used conte.

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>>2405764
>not drawing with holy words instead of lines

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Just crying for you baby....
I hope to be able to inspire someone out there

>>2405764
>>2405738
what the fuck is this?

WE NEED TO MAKE /ic/ GREAT AGAIN

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I don't know is it gonna help for me
I'm very frustrated about i'm shit
just keep drawing tommorow (3/300)

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>>2405775

>>2405785
I believe that is a scribble in a sketchbook

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>>2405785
>WE NEED TO MAKE /ic/ GREAT AGAIN

>>2405779

You again? What the hell are you trying to accomplish by posting random blobs that are both flat and ugly. They are hardly better than stickman which most people drew at about age 3.

>>2405533
This is really helpful, thanks anon

>>2405015
I like these anon. they're simple but interesting to look at.

>>2405716
I should still use lines for sketching it though right? I normally would try to get rid of lines if I finish things, but I'm thinking about doing quick ones with rough base colors on, as I feel like I'm wasting my time rendering when I still make day-one measuring/sketching mistakes.

>>2405722
Is the orbis the holes of the eyes? If so, yes. Makes it look like catwoman/spiderman masks. After comparing over the ref, I also made the chin too long, and the eyes not wide enough. Which I never realized. This is specifically why I took a step back and was trying to do a quantity of rough sketches. Hopefully one day I'll stop fucking up the very first step of a drawing.

What do you guys do for measuring on digital? Do you actually measure angles and proportions with your pen? Or is that a thing only for traditional?

>>2405523
everything is too white, you can easily reach a 5 ( 0 white 10 black) with your apples. but everything is a 2 except the top one who reaches 4

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Geh

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I have no idea what i'm doing

>>2406240
You're symbol drawing.

>>2406272
This was constructed

>>2406277
The eyes, mouth and nose look like symbols. The lips especially.

>>2406240
You're not seeing in 3D. You need to do still lifes and de-construct objects from life before you construct from imagination.

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What do you think of my lines?

>>2406282
Shit you're right thanks

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Does this Torso look like it was constructed "right?"

When I say that, I mean am I on the right track?

I did this after drawing my torso for 40 minutes in front of a mirror.

>>2406318
I did that from imagination

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>>2405230
gave up on it for now because it was frustrating me

pic related: an earlier attempt before i started watching CTRLpaint; done sometime near the end of january

>>2406318
kinda hard to tell what's going on in your construction, but all i can say is that pecs are too small in relation to abs/rest of torso

WTF happened to this place!

>>2406359
namefags

>>2406362
stfu quebec fag

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Had to shift between free hand drawing and controlled drawing. Draw the gestures in with a loose grip, then properly do the final stuff with a controlled grip.
This doesn't look like the reference at all.

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>>2406400
Here's the ref.

>>2406362
>>2406382
im going to change my namefag to UNIX

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Ok guys I never tried to learn how to draw and I want to change this.
I made this sketch in maybe 15 minutes with a few armor refs.
What is good, what is bad ?
What should I do to improve myself ?

>>2406422
Apparently symbol drawing

I learning basic construction/proportions should help, that's the most obvious problem

>>2406428
Thanks.
I know that I often symbol-draw, but it doesn't feel natural and then I force myself to draw more naturally (try to contruct over something that is not blank).
Is drawabox good for learning the basics of shapes and construction ?

>>2406382
i live in alberta lol

>>2406440
theres no french in alberta salle tapette

>>2406433
I think?

What i do is simplify the basic shape of the human skeleton

>>2406433

It will. You need to study perspective in general though.
Use different resources as well.

i understand the will to be recognize in this thread
but do we really need every to start namefagging

>>2406303
please resize next time

i kinda of like it

>>2406400
it's okay
lines could be better

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>>2403541
i suck at rendering but oh well

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Draw thread is useless. How should I connect his braids? This was just a quick sketch and I am interested and doing more with it, I am just not sure how to make him bald on top but have braids on sides.

>>2406603
Maybe in a year when your autistic photo copying takes off you can get normies to suck your dick. Good luck anon.

>>2406631
The problem with your request is that you want us to help you with flat symbol drawing.
It just doesn't work like that.

If you Need resources for learning though...
That's doable.

>>2406641
Thank you, honestly Imah go get some icecream and work on this all night

>>2403920
>>2403994
wow.
blog?

I've done hundreds of short figure drawings and my proportions are still consistently off (stuff like head being WAY too small, body too long, etc). I'm aware of this every time I go into a drawing but I can't seem to the volume/length of things right. It feels like I'm making measurements constantly but I can't seem to figure it out.

Is there some trick to or is it simply a matter of mileage? Is there something that might help me?

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>>2406631

When in doubt, look at pictures of the real thing and try to figure it out. You'll notice on an actual braided beard it tends to criss cross. One goes under the other, across, and then over it beneath, repeating. Think of overlapping "S" curves.

Realistically rendering braids should be the least of your concerns on that drawing though, friend. Slow your ass down and try to think about how on earth you think that face makes any sense whatsoever. Learn some construction.

>>2406662
You need to slow down and do longer timed studies.

This isn't a race.

I would start with Loomis proportions.
Break the figure down into basic shapes like cylinders and boxes, then measure it all out if you have to.
Always be comparing the size of each part to another.
Do this until you get it.

>>2406663
It is supposed to be cartoony

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>>2406660

>>2406689
that's amatuer slang for "I'm content with it being shitty"

>>2406689
Cartoons are meant to have clarity, not be a mess of hot garbage to be deciphered.

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Same fag back in action. I think I really improved it, am I on the right track?

>>2406734
No.

>>2406737
why

>>2406739
You don't understand the fundamentals.
Perspective, light and shadow, anatomy etc.

You have to learn the basics before your work looks acceptable.
Even With cartoons.

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How do I draw through the form of the box correctly? I'm having difficulty with it.

>250 boxes challenge
I realize the boxes themselves are off, it was all done free hand, bad idea

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face/hair study

>>2406450
doesn't mean i can't (barely) know the language

>>2406755
So first off, your lines are chicken scratch.
Did you read lesson one and do the homework?

As far as the boxes, don't relate them all to a single vp. Especially one point perspective.
You need to be able to rotate cubes in your head.

I suggest going over lesson one, taking notes on the lesson and pausing the video to draw from his examples.
Then, draw boxes for a while. Find a box shaped item from your house and draw it from different locations.
By the end of this, you should be able to draw cubes or boxes from any angle/stationing point.

Though, you should go over perspective made easy our a similar resource first.

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An attempt was made.

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>>2406632
hi elliot

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>>2406766
I did read it and I also did all the homework for lesson one.

And I am not sure how to get a real understanding of the rotation. I do have boxes around the house, I'll try that.

Just now realizing how shit my lines are even after doing all of that hw

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>>2406766

>>2406781
Look up Mark's drawing tutorials on YouTube.

Look through his channel for perspective exercises.
He also talks a lot about seeing into your picture plane.
It should help. Just keep drawing.

>>2406783
God I loathed these.
I got very meticulous and just those few pages probably took me 8 hours because I went batshit overboard.

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It has been resized, your majesty

>>2406788
Thanks I'll do that.
>>2406789
Haha I could see how that could happen!

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?

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>>2406798
I did a quick overdraw of your thing to see if line weight would help readability

>>2406816
Nice yeah. This (line weights) is where I completely say fuck it. I was really worried it would be a pain in the ass to read

NEW THREADS
>>2406820

>>2403679
Nice work man.
Very nice.

>>2403690
These things are freaking amazing.

>>2403734
How have I lived without this?