progress thread

I didn't....

>>2372361
I'm seeing some serious sameface:<

>>2372361

no improvement--at all

>>2372361
your rendering improved quite a lot

Can we stop having one of these threads every week or another? Christ, how does someone else's progress interest you so much? Or it it that you want to make people complement your progress? Childish familyman

>>2372409
what
i quite enjoy watching people's progresses
why do you think fitness progress is a thing?
there are a lot more people who's living in this earth other than you boy.

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>>2372361
Tear me a new one /ic/, i know you want to

>>2372467

It's nice, got a blog?

>>2372468
pls fuck off, take your "blog?" with you and never come back.

>>2372468
no i'm an hobbyist

>>2372409

Someone who didn't progress detected.

>>2372490
He is right you know.

op here, not my drawing. i just like seeing others peoples progress.

>>2372526
>not my drawing
>i just like seeing others peoples progress

Fuck off back to DA.

>>2372530
>DA
shit site

>>2372542
Suits you

>>2372545
aint taking the bait but sure, what ever helps you sleep at night and keep drawing fellow anon. have a good day

>>2372568
Fuck off.

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Just one year.

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>>2372587
just one year?

>>2372609
Yeah :)

>>2372614
Oh, one i'm using SAI and another photoshop, maybe that's why look so different.

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hope i can get to draw more soon

>>2372626
sweet landscapes m8

>>2372633
jesus, what the fuck happened at 2015 july?
it suddenly got good

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still suck at noses, hands, and feet...
Kinda not fair because the old one is from when I was like 12 and now I'm 20.

>>2372467
Please, anon, more Loomis this year.

>>2372637
Just because he started catering to your pleb "concept art" taste doesn't mean he got good.

>>2372609
Like this anon was something...

>>2372714
what's a loomis?

>>2372892
Sweet dude. it looks like you just suddenly started studying and improved massively

>>2372718
Rover! Rover! Rover! Rover! Rover!

>>2372907
rover?

>>2372892

Welcome back; Don't forget you're here forever.

>>2372626
Can you show me the one at 2015 bottom middle with the knights in the foreground in bigger resolution? I think i missed that one from you.

>>2373024
that bust 2/3 down

dayum

>> im still a new fag here

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>>2373030

>nickname
>can't greentext properly
>call others newfags

>>2373024
I love those facial expressions

>>2373024
I love your work, anon

>>2373032
The picture says "november-december 2015, new to /ic/", pretty sure he was talking of himself.

>>2372626
do you have a blog, monsterlolifag?

>>2372626
Can you explain the appeal of the city destruction fetish.

Like I can understand most fetishes, at least in a way, but I don't understand how that can even be sexual

>>2373149
Nobody said his drawings were for jerking off to. I'm not sure why you assumed they were sexual, nothing in the drawings appears sexual to me. I think he just likes drawing it for fun.

>>2373161
What, you don't masturbate to your drawings ?

>>2372367
where

>>2373031
next year you should learn how to put things in a clear fashion + Calligraphy.

>>2373174
okay anon thanks.. ill try my best ..
>>im here forever

>>2372626
Love u rinfag. Don't ever stop painting.
Neva eva.

Tell mikufag he needs to catch up 2 u.

>>2373149
you wouldnt find it hot if a giant, petite girl in a bikini stepped on your face with her sweaty feet?

>>2372626
Nice progress rin. don't know why everyone idolizes you so much though

>>2372892
ayy lmao

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Thoughts?

>>2373260

not mine just want opinions on how you'd improve it from there

>>2373260
I like it, wish the horse had actual legs though

>>2373213

I think he's simple and boring as fuck honestly

>>2373300
post your work

>>2373310

my work doesn't make ripped lolis destroying cities any less thematically stupid

>>2372892
The samurais are great!

>>2372467
Do some fucking gesture studies senpai

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here´s my progress still gotta learn to use color properly

>>2373149
Not rinfag but I think that it's a good excuse to work on landscapes and draw muscle girls(which is his fetish) at the same time. I think that he's having more fun this way than if he were to draw plain old boring landscape studies everyday like Noah Bradley.

>>2372626
not even my fetish I love the continued theme throughout the years, don't stop what you're doing mang

>>2373317
did not delivered/10

>>2372409
It hurts to feel so alone and not always be the center of attention, doesn't it?

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I need to git srs

>>2373522
how much do even draw?

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>>2373528
I ate shit for a really long time because I thought I was pretty good at the time (compared to a lot of my weeb friends I was), so on top of not drawing all that much I had to unlearn the weeb hugbox shit. It's unfortunate but I'm still pretty young so I think there's time for me to gitgud

>>2372389

Don't be a nigger m8. He certainly improved, just not exactly in all the ways your special little heart desired.

>>2373548
> I'm still pretty young
How young? kekeke

>>2373558
I-I need an adult

>>2373548
are you a pretty lady.

we should hang out.

>>2373562
hod old of an adult? kekeke

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>>2372635
I honestly feel like I need to study more landscapes, but thanks

>>2372999
Attached

>>2373091
Only pixiv and dA, sorry. pixiv member id 304834

>>2373149
I just like huge, powerful, cute and strong lolis, man. Destroying cities is the best way for them to show off their own power

>>2373213
>>2373455
>>2373190
thank you

>>2373595
I am new to /ic/
Do you ever post more of your non-giant loli art?
I mean there is no way you don't practice all sorts of landscape and figure shit all day long with your current skill level

>>2373522
>>2373422
>>2373031
>>2373024
>>2372892
>>2372626
>>2372633
>>2372467
Id like to thank you guys for making this one of the first progress threads without intense cherry picking

>>2372587
im on to you faggot

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>>2373600
it's really mostly work stuff that's barred behind NDAs, but really my figures and anatomy are still very lackluster. i do post my landscape shit sometimes, here's one of them i guess

>>2372975
i..i never left anon...
>>2372896
ty for notice senpai
>>2373341
thanks mane

>>2373606
Where do you get your work mostly if that's not a secret?
Which industry? Vidya games?

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>>2373606
some 30second/1minute gesture shit

>>2373610
I work at a company developing mobile games.

>>2373603
i don't get it, wtf i did?

>>2373615
im suspicious of singular before and after pictures.

>>2373618
And why you just dont go fuck yourself? Do you know how many books i read and how many time I spend in this fuckin shit? A fuckin lot.

>>2373613
Oh man...I uh might actually need some advice if you are willing to give any.
I am a 19 year old guy who is trying to be a digital artist in a country where there aren't that many digital artists and I got some propositions from mobile game companies rising up here and there, no grand money or anything nor does my skill deserve it but it's not bad pay.
The two problems that I have is that while I might be above average here and the guys might like my art, I am shit compared to guys in proper countries so I really want to dedicate as much time as I have to study so that by the time I am in my mid twenties I actually AT LEAST partially know my fucking shit.
I am not sure if I should live off my parents for longer and just keep practicing and refining myself or if I should already start accepting these jobs, I am just scared to stop progressing.

Second thing is that I am a kid that grew up on pirated fucking CRPGs of ye olde, Ultima, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Wizardry. I mainly played Arena shooters, RPGs, strategies and Grand strategies, JRPGs etc. all my life and it sort of shaped me into this very typical /v/idya elitist kind of a shitbag, so I hate mobile games. Now that doesn't really matter for the job as long as it's interesting and gets you the pay, but mobile games are very often everything but interesting. Playing Xenoblade, Gothic and the like you want to do concept art for all sorts of amazing fantasy worlds, instead of just endless temple runs and "Insert X" Ninja.

Basically is it worth it to start working this early, is there danger of my progress slowing down and is it actually fun or am I in for a bore that I will not enjoy at all? I know the chance of suddenly winding up at CDprojekt Red or something like that as a concept artist is almost null but one can always dream.
Also fuck my dreams up if they are too childish and explain how the industry works if you could please, since it doesn't really exist here.

>>2373623
Also what are the chances of succeeding even if you live in a shithole?
I mean, I like to think that as long as you are actually dedicated, improve fast and put your stuff out on the net there is always a chance to get at least some interesting gig somewhere in the world...right?

>>2373522
are you me anon?
>hobbyist tier for years
>stagnate because normies told me I was amazing
>only now deciding to actually draw for serious

>>2373623
If you're concerned about your skill level, it's all about finding the right people who are willing to work with you. I am very fortunate to have had someone who was willing to give me a chance at my terrible skill level in 2012 but I worked my ass off everyday to get better as I didn't want to lose that opportunity.

It depends on the company you're working for. I used to think the same as you with regards to mobile games, but in the end i realized that there are actually playable ones in the mountain of shit. You can do some interesting things and the main draw is that you get to touch on a ton of different subject matters, not just the things you like, so you're forced to git gud out of your comfort zone. For comparison i've done stuff for Brave Frontier and Phantom of Kill among other stuff

It's up to you if you if you want to start early, but imo there's no rush

>>2373634
Interesting.
Final question if you don't mind, would you like to move to big vidya industry at some point?
Also all anons in general who have any experience with the field, could you also reply to my questions?
I have to go now, so thanks a ton in advance.

>>2373620
im not down playing your achievements, but mentioning that 2 pics is indicative of cherry picking.

>>2373643
I don't think I will, not anytime soon. Right now I get to draw a large variety of things (backgrounds, characters, weapons, etc etc) with various different styles (super anime, western, painty, etc) and unless I can be sure I can do that again I won't.

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>>2373623
> Morrowind
That's my shit righht there

>>2373644
Believe or not i just dont give a fuck anymore, and we see ourselves in one year, faggot.

>>2373653
OK SURE IF IM NOT HERE BY THEN JUST MESSAGE [email protected]

>>2373654
Send the email of your mom just to be sure, i'm not gonna send pics of my dick for her, i promise.

>>2372587
that's literally 1 month's progress(generous, more like 2 weeks) after learning a little anatomy and construction

>>2373658
[email protected]

>>2373659
I'm open to suggestions.

>>2373659
post your work if this is 1 of your months.

>>2373024
You are amazing, dude.

>>2373652
fuck Morrowind man, it caused be to spend God knows how many hours lorefaging on bethforums, Imp Library, /v/ and /r/teslore later on.
I know way too much about Vivecs genitalia.

>>2373606
>it's really mostly work stuff that's barred behind NDAs

lol

>>2373715
what is this supposed to mean?

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not a lot of delta from the last one, too many vacations...

>>2373732
I think that you might be sort of in your comfort zone; you especially lack male form
Of course you might be absolutely fine with that and this progress pic might not display even half of what you do, just saying

>>2373732
you got a site or blog?

>>2373740
Honestly, I don't like drawing dudes. I haven't been drawing much either and I got some new tools so I've been hitting the comfort zone pretty hard. Recently, I was focusing on backgrounds and coloring, but maybe I'll draw some guys. Who knows what will happen in 2016

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am I allowed to post here

>>2373751
Can't tell if you are that blog trolling guy or if you are just new >>2373735

>>2373024
How did you achieve this level of dynamics and understanding each muscle, anon? What helped you the most?

>>2373771
references

>>2373732
>>2373755
Just wanted to say I love your progress and it's really inspired me.

>>2373732
What do you mean by "copied"; the red tag? You literally copied everything, or just the pose or concept?
I didn't know people do this... I am used to use references only when needed... (mostly because I dont like)

>>2373815
Yeah, also confused >>2373732 . What's the difference between copied and ref?

>>2373851
>>2373815

Copied is 1:1, referenced is not 1:1. Say he needed help drawing a head or a hand and consulted a picture for only the head or hand. That's using reference.

>>2373815
>>2373851
Copied usually means that he tried to reproduce the original exactly, maybe add some of his own style to it but if you compared it to the original then they'd be very similar. A lot of people who say they used a reference mean that they actually copied a reference.

Using a reference means you hunt around for images to use as inspiration for what you're working on or to fill in holes in your mental library. Say you're making some transformers fanart and you want your transformer to have a chest piece like one of those old cars from the 50s. You'd pull up a bunch of pictures of old cars to get an idea of how it looks instead of trying to find one that perfectly fits the perspective of your drawing and copying it

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>>2373854

>>2373815
>>2373851
copied- I suppose he meant studied, were one redo the ref to learn something from it
ref- when you are doing a different work than the ref, but the ref has info which can help you in your current work

btw I am not the one who did those, just responding to your question

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>>2373771

Basically, knowledge. I started focusing on anatomy from imagination only until I was decent at it, those end of 2013 drawings just show the same method as today, I'm just better at it now.
Learn the muscles, from écorchés, medical books etc, know where each muscle connects on what bone and then and only then you can complete with references.

>>2373853
>>2373854
>>2373856
Thanks, I didn't realise the difference.

>>2372467

porcodio

>>2373024
love this

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>>2373895

>>2373895
ti piace frate?

>>2373895
MOSCONI
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S
C
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N
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How come some people progress in rather small ammount of time while for other it takes ages... :@ Fuck it. I've started learning fundamentals 3 months ago now, and I'm barely progressing. Although I've drawn well before this. For now I'm trying to get through Loomis.

>>2374137
post your work

>>2374140
>>2374137

I'm lazy to select one image at a time so instead I'll link imgur gallery. It may not be a good idea but idc. Not like it can be that bad.

Drawings years ago -> http://imgur.com/a/rOWVk

Somewhat recent starting from Nov 1st(Bottom( -> http://imgur.com/a/XzHfh

>>2374147
You're copying the books instead of learning from them. It's not enough to redraw everything you see, you need to pay attention to the lessons they teach

The loomis mannikins are a simple way to represent the form and anatomy of the body in a pose. When he uses them in the balance exercises it's to show you the importance of maintaining balance in your poses, not so you can redraw them.

The list goes on and on. I see dozens of images of you copying the books but not learning from them and applying their lessons to your own work. If you only ever copy then you'll only ever get better at copying

>>2374147
>>2374160

I heard somewhere that I do need to apply what I learn to my own work, but there can not be any if I'm learning. Or I'm doing this wrong. I must be doing it wrong. I know all I'm getting good at is coppying stuff, and that is bad. How do I make my own out of lets say Loomis book? Practice drawing mannequins till I drop? :D

>>2374147
>>2374160
>>2374177

And it's rather tedious to start drawing with measurement/proportions in mind, it takes a lot of time for me. I can not eye-ball it that well yet.

>>2374177
start with gesture drawing

>>2373756
wheres that picture that tells you to draw with your eyes and not your brain

>>2374208

Loomis doesn't teach gesture, at least I have not stumbled upon any in his book. Just proportions and mannequins.

>>2374230
well then looks for other tutorials? Anon you also need to figure things out on your own.

>>2374230
>>2374239

I know, Vilppu, Hampton, Proko are the ones that teach about gesture. And there may be more that I'm unavare of. I watched all of those(concerning gesture that is, not fully ofc) and I couldn't really understand the gesture that well. The ones I attempted to sketch appeared like crap.

>>2372892
How you've done the one from the 10th Jan 2016 and is there a name for that style ?

>>2373595
Isn't the angle of the giant loli's head wrong. Shouldn't we be seeing the part where the jaw and neck connect? I'm a beginner so I'm probably wrong though.

>>2374264
maybe not if she's looking down enough

>>2373024
Can you upload 2015 girl or reference for that? Thank you

>>2374264
Yes. The horns' perspective needs work too.

>>2373024
this is really good

>>2373865
Definitely seeing improvement there, nice.

>>2373595
I'm actually curious as to what your portfolio looked like when you applied to your first job.

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I wish I had something more srs to post
Been in an art funk for the past year or so

>>2374998
just the stuff mainly in 2012 and a few landscapes

>>2375061
well you just drew him a bit different. You think you can find a better example?

>>2375066
>him
clearly a female eyes on 2 pic. however its tumblr art so it may be demisexual trans panplatonic non binary person

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Filename says enough.

>>2375148
I CANT TELL
>>2373865
are you a guy or a lesbian?

>>2375148
Did u even try senpai, step it up m8

>>2372361
blog?

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>>2375156

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>>2375148

>>2375061
I've been there. I'm only just finally coming out of my art funk and honestly, you need to force it. Just draw even if you hate it and it makes you cry. I find just doing gestures for awhile makes me feel a little better and more motivated even though they're kinda dull to do for me.

That said, there's subtle improvement, especially in the coloring and I think the newer pic is adorable honestly. :) Please draw more. You have a lot of potentIal there.

I've destroyed I think somewhere around 80% of all my drawings over the past 10 years.

>>2375154
Haven't we been through this once already?

I tried to make a progress picture for this thread but I couldn't actually find anything that looked better than what I did in 2010.

>>2375251
the perspective on your 2016 is fucked up. his left forearm and hand don't fit perspective and I don't see how you'd get both hands on that a gun angled that way with the far arm so far back

>>2375257
the color is nicer though, but have to agree with his point

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Left is 2012, Right is last week.

Fuck I am in such a rut and I feel as though all I've done is stagnate more and more over the past several years. I need to actually buckle down and do some studies regularly.

>>2375409
you need to actually yiff in hell, buddy

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>>2374699
here you go, was from a study thread on /ic/.

>>2375409
You went from drawing cute all-American girls to having a vile fetish.

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>>2375409
Pic related, I think it will help you.

>>2375409
I almost want to fap to this but then I notice small errors everywhere, everything just looks a little off. It's good enough non-artists will love it, but lacks the little touches that would push it to the level fur haters will let it pass for sake of quality. You haven't delved into anatomy to give her that extra softness in subtle areas, you haven't looked into fabrics to properly indicate where her weight lies most heavily upon the bed, and I see nothing that shows you've dove into learning perspective. A lying down pose to you is a standing pose with a bed backdrop placed behind.

>>2375489
>>2375409
You are right mane, that cow monster is a big girl. she should look like she is exerting some force on the soft thing she's lying on, and on her own body.
Also the face is pig disgusting but I hate furshit so I'm not in a position to judge objectively. At least his lines are much better than on the left.

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>>2372626
One day, I hope to be able to draw stuff I like man, just like you do.

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A few weeks worth of progress, i think im getting somewhere. Not sure where that is, but its somewhere

>>2375508
I only get to draw what I like at home man, and I can barely work on them for like an hour or so a day but at least I can fully work on them during the weekends.

Have to push myself too seeing as how I draw at work all day too

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>>2375066
I don't usually redraw things, this is the best I can do comparison wise. I feel like I always just change my style, not really improve.

>>2375197
Thank you, that makes me feel a little better. It's so hard to find the motivation to get started again, but you're right. Just gotta do it

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updated a bit

>>2372626
i love you giant loli-san

>>2375627
everything was right until you jump the shark into tumblr

>>2375667
tumblr's just where i upload my images

unless you're talking about the monmusu-- i've been getting those commissions lately so i can't complain too much. if i could have my way, i'd just be working on porn or something.

>>2372626
Any recommendations in how to get into rendering backgrounds like this?

>>2372626
you draw a lot of girls.

>>2375627
you started in 2015? Nice, i love May. Bring me up as i want to get into art and first thread i enter is all these people growing in such short time. :3 fuckin really like the girl in the cap one especially

>>2375667
what the fuck are you even talking about

>>2375197
why dont we get more people like you here? I think if we werent such assholes about critiquing work than maybe said artist would be more compelled to improve

>>2373732
holy crap dude, you need to organize this more, its a complete clutter and I really dont wanna look at all of it.

>>2375888
Personally I find that people being mean about it drives me try to improve out of spite.

Not everyone likes that though and I imagine people don't usually expect it from here.

>>2375251
adding the kanji for death on his shoulder plate doesnt make it better desu

>>2375912

Sorry but that's actually false, it makes it at least 80% better

>>2375861
he didn't start in 2015 that's his progress for 2015

>>2375861
Drawing off and on for some time now. Started painting in 2015 though.

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>2012
started drawing in college out of boredom with a friend, didn't think anything of it, it was just fun.Then i stopped drawing, nothing at all for like 2 years.
>2014
got a job, and most of the times i had nothing to do so i started drawing again, started reading manga and a few of my co workers draw like everyday, so i took it again.
>2015
Out of work, still drawing and shit, but i never drew everyday, i draw like 2-3 hours in 2-3 days a week, sometimes i don't even draw for like 2 weeks, nothing at all.
>2016
Still the same like 2015, but now i don't even know if i want to keep drawing.

I never took classes, or read tutorials or anything, i just drew what was in my mind of whatever i saw that got me thinking "i want to draw something with this". I never liked digital art, so that's not my thing.
I don't know, can you guys give me your honest opinion? should i keep drawing or not?
I just took the pictures out of my old dA acc and my instagram
pls respond

>>2373024
This also works as inspiration,thank you based anon

>>2376026
>should i keep drawing or not?
Yes but learn the fundamentals. so it will be much easier for you

>>2376026

Drawing or not is up to you. I like ur stuff btw

>>2375648
Giant lolis are love

>>2375679
Going into custom brushes and using them properly helps a ton.

>>2375844
I know...

>>2372709
stay away from wrinkles in young people's faces

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>>2376514
Stupidest shit I've ever read, have you ever drawn from life? Look at yourself in the mirror and make a cool expression, or a big smile. That guy's art is not good but the wrinkles are justified, she's smiling. Look I'm not often baffled with shit I see on the internet but I cannot fathom how a person in their right mind would say "uh don't draw wrinkles when you draw expressions cause they're young". You do know the face has its own particular anatomy and there are muscles being pulled there, right? Do you literally only draw anime?

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>>2375409
Now I don't think judging a drawing by the subject is fair and I disagree with some of these replies, but is hard to compare anthropomorphic endomorph to anime mesomorph

The lighting is a lot better tho and I don't see any chicken scratches

keep improving

>>2374256
lots of layers and rubbing back said layers, texture play mostly over black white grey value study

>>2376528
Okay while true, it's also common knowledge that in art, every line on the face ages the person, much more so than in real life. For a stylized drawing like anime, it's doubley so. It depends on your drawing style whether or not the wrinkles will make them look aged or tired or not but more often than not, it does.

>>2376528
doesnt apply, lines are just for the sharpest contrast, hes right, no lines. He can shade it in like the rest of the competent artists.

>>2376528
Lots of People don't seems to understand drawing lines makes features way more proeminent than they really are. That's why it will make someone look much older. The cat bitch looks 40 years old here.

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>>2372626
It's interesting that you actually made progress.

>>2375251
deathbox! thats so fucking cool dude
>>2375627
wow. i guess you're really proud of august pic. that's crazy, i'm really inspired.

>>2376661
Why is that?

>>2375627
Nice. Could I get the Aria one please?

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>>2375409

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>>2375239

A lot of you guys are really new to this and draw really cool things

I don't ever practice and I can run circles around all of you.

>>2375627
youre starting to suck

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>>2375423
>>2375457
>>2376785
Whoops. Forgot how anal 4chan is about furries. I chose the Undertale piece because all my other shit is werid fetish shit, pic related.

>>2375489
Thanks for the feedback; I'm gonna start focusing on some more anatomy studies and gesture to get a better sense of volume on my characters.

>>2375505
Yeah I'm pretty bad at environments, even worse than I am at the characters themselves. I'll work on that. The face is from a game so I'm not sure if your dislike of it is from something I did or from the source material, but I'll take that as feedback to get better at faces as well.

>>2376537
I appreciate the disregard for my poor choice of topic. I didn't even think about the difference in body types. Pic related is an anime mesomorph that I did recently as well. I guess I do see improvement in my lineart, but I feel like stylistically I'm pretty much dead in the water. I'll try branching out some more this year.

>>2373024
I'm jelly of your progress dude, I started at summer of 2013.
You started way earlier than me and I'm still in HS though.
Did you start during HS?

>>2375409
>degenerating

Well this thread's been an inspiring experience.

Thanks for posting anons. Know that you posting your progress is stopping some from giving up the pen.

>>2376883
You need to improve that torso.
What is going on with that belly button.

>>2376743
im guessing hes referring to the same thing i was the last time it was posted, people who start with img 1 usually stay at that level forever.

>>2376883
your anatomy is fucking trash.

>>2373024
jesus

>>2376883
gondola?

>>2373024
you got a blog m8? The jump from '14 to '15 is great. How much were you drawing?

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Only started in december but I think it's good progress. Any advise is welcome.

>>2378345
Read the sticky. No you dont understand. Read the fucking sticky.

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feb 2015 vs. jan 2016

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>>2378345

>>2378479
Literally the only change is that you used a smaller brush to do your inks. gj i guess?

>>2378506
And it's a better looking result for it. Not to mention the character is way more expressive.

>>2376883
Hello my fellow Zoids fan.

>>2378345
dont draw anime

>>2378567
Well, it's just a different expression, not really a "better" one".

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First one is from April 2014, the second is from yesterday. I kinda of screwed myself by no drawing much in 2015 and just fucking around, decided to get back into it and studying the tail end of december.

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okay im not at home, so i made a shoddy quick comparison. and ive got a long way to go..but im proud!

>>2378345
>>2378607
Stop this, don't try to make any progress pic with less than 6 months/one year of difference.

>>2378615

i worked hard to get to this point and my new work shows more knowledge of fundamentals- and this is when i started studying.
i wish i had older comparisons, but im not going to "stop it". progress is what this thread is about

>>2378622
Comparing two drawings done in a really different way is a pretty bad way to show your progress though. You might as well have been able to make the second one in december and and still only be able to do paintings of the level of the first one.

you're doing it totally wrong.

>>2378627
heres a better catalog of my progress. i didnt know how to draw humans before december. I'm not doing it totally wrong. lol cmon mang. i just want to share my feelings of being proud with you

http://permanoobs.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3333&sid=f12d6f03ed62096c1c7be9e1a5f4fcd4

>>2373855
spend less time on searching for reference images and more time designing. Only a couple of these photos are even useful for what youre doing

>>2378583
i dont see the improvement sorry.
>>2378479
ignore other guy, you did improve.

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>>2376769
Sure.

>>2376806
I feel you man, sorry. I recently made the move to Clip Studio Paint from SAI, hopefully I'll improve as I become more familiar with it.

>>2378655
Really not even coloring wise, or the fact the eyes are legit right next to each other? Or the head is too big for the body even anime style? Lol oh well back to the drawing board so to speak.

>>2373855
nice pic where'd you get it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNV-SJuKAro

>>2378682
from part one of that vid series

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rate pls

>>2378799
Draw a Hotaru.

>>2378799
literally no difference

>>2378805
mikufag still sucks dicks, so?

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>>2378838
might as well repost the first one too.

im worse now than i was 7 years ago
i havent been practicing
send help

>>2378957
ill send you pencils and paper u lil bitch

>>2378957
You need to help yourself.

>>2378838
I like your progress, I hate your rib cages.

>>2373024
goddamit im still in your 2013-2014 tier ;_;

>>2378583
And the saddest cases are those where it isn't bad enough to make laugh, but not good enough to not trash it.

How can someone practice 2 years and be just as shitty.

Get through the entire loomis, and make sure to practice and not only make anime girls Anon.

>>2378840
I'm digging these. What did you use for the lineart. Got any tips?

I like how you drew the camel toe but without it being so obvious. It's usually one of my pet peeves when the artist just wants to draw the pussy bulge but neglects everything else. I liked scanning the image up and down for the little details is what I'm trying to say.

>>2378957
keep your wacom tablet connected in front of you, or pen and paper at one side of your desktop. You'll find yourself doing doodles casually.

>>2378838
that rib cage tho

>>2379193
I'm just drawing on Photoshop with the usual tools, nothing really special.

Well, except the ground lines of the top pic that were done with the perspective ruler of clip studio paint, but not really using the software for other stuffs yet because I'm too used to Photoshop.

>look at drawings a year ago
>look at how bad I still am
I just want it to end. But I have Noone to blame but myself. Too busy and lazy for hardcore practice or even decent level practice.

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I dunno how much progress does it really show, just for clarification - all of these were made purely from imagination.

>>2379225
Shitty imagination. Draw from life.

>>2379169
I didn't draw for a whole year, lol. So it's that shitty in one year. Will loomis more. Will work harder.

>>2378838
Good improvement but it's obvious you still don't understand bodies.

>>2379225
Zero improvement, especially for two years, try harder.

>>2379234
> but it's obvious you still don't understand bodies

You're talking about it as if anatomy understanding is either a "yes" or "no".

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One of these days I'm going to buckle down and try and git gud for real. Until then it's 3 waifus a week and doodles in my notes with symbols aplenty.

>>2379238
Well then I'll be more specific. It looks like a referenced image where the person drawing doesn't understand bodies well. They also don't seem to understand how arms work. They do a nice job on the tits though.

>>2379240
How is that your first image is almost better than your newer one.

>>2379241
might explain what is supposed to be wrong about the arms?

>>2379242
it isnt and you have no eyes

>>2379229
>>2379236
made me reply.

>>2379240
At least that shows improvements for the gestures, right now isn't too bad in that regard.

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>>2379242
Because you lack insight

>>2373024
what the fuck happened autumn/winter of 2014? You went from mediocre gestures to mastering anatomy so quickly

>>2372361
>>2375164

No seriously, do you have any blog?

>>2372361
blogerino

>>2379243
Left arm our right is much smaller than the other. The thickness is smaller than her other arm, even though the arm that's up would actually be closer.

>>2379293
right is thin because of the hand position, while I was imagining the left hand of the opposite angle that makes it looks thicker, looks ok to me.

At worst I made the left arm a bit too thick, but talking "not understanding arms" is completely pushing it.

>>2375409
>implying fur = skin

>>2379299 No, that's not how arms work and it's still too short.
If I remember correctly last thread you were arguing pretty hard, and you had multiple people tell you it was off. If you want to be a shitty artist forever be my guest bro.

>>2379305
Don't bother arguing with him. I'm pretty sure he's dead set its right because like all his drawing it was "verified" with another drawing.

>>2379305
> No, that's not how arms work

Why aren't you explaining what's wrong then? Your only complaint in the first place is the size.

> and it's still too short.

The right arm's forearm is bending, I don't see the problem.

> If I remember correctly last thread you were arguing pretty hard

What? In the previous progress thread? That never happened.

>>2379323
People have already explained it to you a million times over I didn't think it needed to be again. No in the stylization thread.

>>2379355
Except there wasn't any arguing in the last stylization thread either.

> People have already explained it to you a million times over I didn't think it needed to be again

What are you even talking about?

>>2379360
Wrong thread m8.
Cringe thread is >>> way

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:C

>>2379367
Godamnit tumblr.

>>2379367
how do you get worse
I hope you practice a lot now

>>2379367
you've regressed, are you sure you didn't get the images the wrong way around?

>>2379367
Looks like you havn't drawn the whole year. Focus on anatomy.

>>2372892
hey man do you have a full screen version of Jan. 2012? Would love to use that as a wallpaper

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Sorry for the pixelation.

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2009 and 2015.

It's kind of funny how proud I was of my art when I sucked. Now that I'm average and I just sit there picking my drawings apart. My progress has kind of come to a standstill now that I'm in my senior year for a major that has absolutely nothing to do with art (it started dipping around my second semester, so 2013), but some progress is better than none I guess.

>>2379534
I mean this nicely but you haven't really improved at all in six years. I think you definitely need to study anatomy a bit more.

>>2379406
3 months worth of improvement in 7 years, nice

>>2379548
I can take that. If you don't mind, could you point out exactly where? I've become blind to a lot of my own common errors at this point, and I'm not really in an environment where I can get a lot of art critique (well, I guess I could always sit in on an art class and act like I'm supposed to be there).

>>2379557
youve actually improved a lot, the thing is, however, this is 1 year of improvement at one hour a day. The fact that it took you 6 is very meh.

>>2379561
>The fact that it took you 6 is very meh.
That makes two of us at least! Looking at my progress from the last couple of years compared to now is pathetic. It's like the more successful I am in this major, the less time I have for art. I'm lucky if I even get to sit down and draw once a week at this point. I thought I could pick a non-art related major and still have time to draw, but I guess it just doesn't work that way.

Right now, I feel like I don't really know where to go from here. I feel like I'm not learning much from the stuff on the sticky (the links that do work, anyway) since it's mainly geared towards the absolute beginner, but I'm also not sure what I should be doing (and what I can even fit into my schedule anymore).

>>2378840
very nice progress!

>>2378838
i started in 2013, and damn i need to get gud fucking fast now. nice progress

>>2378838
>>2378840

so youre goldenSmurf?

>>2379598
Yeah?

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Might as well post some of my progress
I chose portraits because they're easily comparable

Thoughts?

>>2372637
He probably realized that he can adjust the flat brush flow to 60%.

>>2373024
i know this is a meme now but i really like your art and sincerely want to know if you have a blog

>>2373024
>16 replies
well fuck.

>>2376906
what is HS ?

>>2377986
>>2379691
http://4xiszero.tumblr.com/

thx, here you go.

>>2373024

Seriously, how the FUCK did you improve so quickly practicing only 2-3 hours a day during the weekends? Please, please, please tell me your practice regimen in detail from the time you were a beginner to now. You were going to do so last thread but it fucking died.

>>2378838
I'm interested in seeing if you can map the muscles of her left arm and show a roughof her hand

>>2378579
fuck you, I guess?

>>2379882
not that anon, but I have to say: I like the design of your character but she looks like she's wearing a diaper in the second pic.

>>2379799
ok so here I am, sry about the last thread, forgot about it. you still there ? thread received bump limit so I don't know.

>>2380020

YES YES YOU ASKED ME THE SAME THING LAST TIME AND THREE PEOPLE RESPONDED POST YOUR TRAINING REGIMEN OVER THOSE 3 YEARS TO THE LETTER

>>2380023
Currently writing, going to be long.

>>2380054
>>2380054
oh boy

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>>2380023

alright, alright, alright..

I'm going to be completely honest here and even if it seems unrealistic or whatever this is seriously all I did.

The biggest mistake I see people make on /ic/, is draw a character or do an illustration wihtout any understanding of the fundamentals, and then ask "critique pls ? how to improve on anatomy ? how does light work ?" etc. This is completely wrong, it doesn't work like that.

I myself tried to do characters when I didn't know anatomy at all, and all it lead to was absolutely horrible things. I understood that, and decided to FOCUS on anatomy. FOCUS on understanding it and it alone as long as it didn't become natural to me. At the same time, I focused on faces, male, female. And literally focused on this and this alone, no character design, no flashy illustration, nothing, just plain anatomy and head sketches.

method: Learn the fucking bones and muscles in their entirety. don't half ass it. And so I did, every bone, every muscle (not some deep ones though) and I actually enjoyed it, except the carpals and tarsals. I used websites, medical illustrations, Frederic delavier's books and Zygote body which was freaking awesome at the time.

I wanted to be able to draw any pose, like the Artists I really enjoyed from comics/mangas, completely from imagination. So now that I knew the body, I needed to start Drawing it perfectly from imagination in the two simple Front and back views. That's why most of my starting anatomy drawings are like that. Then when I started finally mastering it a little, I studied other ecorchés, other poses, and drew them by MEMORY and not with references. Start by drawing the skeleton, and then add the muscles on top. It may seem ridiculous to someone that doesn't know the muscles, but it's easy when you do.

So basically, all my anatomy sketches of from the beginning were ecorches from imagination. and heads, unfortunately anime heads.

>cont.

>>2380093
GO ON

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>>2380093
Please continue

>>2379934

that anon didnt draw it, i did lol. i just kinda dropped the pic off and left

i based the design on the puffiness of actual space suits, but i can see where you're coming from. i'm not satisfied with her current design anyway, so i'll work on that

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>>2380093

All of this was done without drawing from references directly, Only looking at it, try to remember key factors, and then draw it from imagination
When I finally started seeing improvement in poses from imagination, I was at a point where I couldn't match the head to the pose, So I focused on that. thought It was gonna be a lot easier than the body. I obviously went with loomis, but stopped right at the proportions lines, my reason was that I wanted to draw everything my way, learn everything from nothing and ended up with: Shit.

that's 2013, then I finally got my tablet, and this is when I really started progressing fast. Strangely enough, when I first tried the tablet, It felt like learning to draw again, felt like drawing with my left hand actually. this is where I almost gave up to be honest. Before I bought a tablet I thought I would immediately start doing these insane digital paintings you know, but not only did I fail every illustration I wanted to do in color (those 3, stopped after that), but my line quality wasn't good at all. as you can see with the chicken scratching around summer 2014. I was on paint tool SAI at the time.
>pic related

then I kept working on my anatomy as usual, This time I focused on my line quality, switched to manga studio 5, and everything was just smoother. helped me a lot.

alright, Now this is where I really took off on my anatomy, believe it or not my faces stayed shit until very recently.

I started doing something I didn't before, looking at A LOT of pictures with apparent muscles, never drew from them, but I looked at a lot of them, engraved them in my mind, how this muscle reacts, how the skin shows this bump, what part of muscle is hidden behind another etc. I started doing this not only with pics I searched, but with everything I looked at. movies, ads, youtube muscle videos, just imagining the people as ecorchés basically, it's a lot of fun.

Search for books From Frederic delavier, fucking great.

>cont

>>2380093
>>2380286

Thank you for all this information. I'm sure you're typing up the last bit of it, but, I'm curious, what sort of process did you take as a beginner? Or did you hop onto anatomy from the get go?

>>2380286
I'm not even an artist, but your description is also inspiring me.

>>2380286

WHERE'S THE REST

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hi

>>2380286
Do not leave us!

>>2379671
Got a tumblr m8?

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summer 2014 passed, having better heads/faces, but way too anime-ish, when I wanted to reach a semi-realistic level
>pic
After finally having a way more acceptable and believable anatomy figures, I had the misfortune to give an advice last year to someone on anatomy and about the way I learned it, received a lot of shit, saying that without life drawing or drawing from references my anatomy is shit, But wtf, I was actually pleased about my progress, and decided to stop browsing here for a while

I don't remember how long it was and from when to when, but I basically stopped drawing for months, around 4/5 months. I lost a lot of motivation, I wasn't in a mental depression at all, but more like an artistic one. After a while my anatomy sketches didn't match what I wanted to draw wich was a lot smoother, more realistic. Every sketch I did just seemed so bad, and unsatisfying. so I just took a break.

I read one punch man. and it literally hit me like a brick. A full truck of bricks actually. Because that was exactly, EXACTLY, what I wanted to achieve with my art. I was already a big big fan of murata's work with Eyeshield 21 since he was playing a lot with perspective etc. but he took that to yet an other level with Opm. I'm not talking about his character design, I'm talking about the attention to details, the new effects, the realism mixed to his stylization. I literally stood up, walking and started laughing like a retard. I was motivated again, felt miserable and regretted not drawing those past months. not only that, but I also found his stream, that was sorcery.

Believe it or not, when I started drawing again, I thought I would be fucking terrible and would suck for the first few days. I ACTUALLY IMPROVED not only on my anatomy, but on faces too. But I actually understood why I improved, because I kept looking at references even without drawing, everytime I watched a movie and found a cool face angle I paused and analyzed the image for a moment, or body, hands

>>2380908
That's all?

>>2380926
nah will continue later.

>>2379680
actually i didnt realize that until yesterday

>>2380719
Your rendering is so disproportionate to your fundamentals.

That sword in 2012, although it looks overdesigned it looks straight out of some JRPG.

>>2378657
Sweet, thanks.

>>2379784
high school

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>>2379389
this is as big as it gets mate.

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>>2379389
>>2381662
Felt like helping.

>>2380955
Continue, pls.

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Meh. I guess I got better...

>>2380719
I like you better than firez
2012-13 have some pretty good pieces, but then you stopped fanart or something

>>2380908
Where are you?

>>2375154
I know someone who is a guy AND a lesbian
Also a fairy

>>2379242
Dude you're blind

>>2382545

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCTbFN0EsDM

?

Waiting patiently for 4x

>>2373877
Thanks

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>>2380926
>>2382167
>>2382350

Now for the rest I just don't really know how to put it, I really got into looking at people's art instead of drawing myself, I had a lot of free time back then but started to draw less and less, I mostly was looking at the art of everything I read and focused on it, same for pictures and movies, I just did it a lot more.

from around start of 2015 to summer I must have done 30 drawings and mostly sketch pages like pic related, that's all I have saved up on my pc, but I still notice a big progress, without directly drawing from life or drawing everyday. So saying you won't improve unless you draw 18h a day and copy everything from life is bullshit. you just have to focus on what you draw.

This is gonna sound silly as fuck, but I draw with my mind a lot, be it completely from imagination or "tracing" over things. when I stop to look at a picture of a body or face, I usually "translate" it with lines since this is just my style. This helps a SHIT-TON to remember what you see.

This is how I see it for me: what's so fucking cool when you only draw from imagination from the very start of my improvement, is that when you add to your visual library, your drawings follow! even if you don't draw as often. what might take a hit, is your line quality, but your overall ability to draw is really relying on your imagination and knowledge.

right now the rate at which I post on tumblr is the rate at wich I draw, I post almost everything I do there. and I still see progress in my opinion even if small.

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>>2382640
And that's basically all I did. nothing unusual, I just drew from imagination since the start of my practice, and I think that's why I'm able to improve without really drawing that much, sounds like a fucking humble brag though. I do take pride in the fact that almost everything I do is without references because my goal is to do everything from imagination.

I know that I can really improve my anatomy, make it a lot smoother/realistic if I started life drawing, and I can start at any moment, but right now I'm kinda pleased with the style I have because it fits perfectly into manga/comics.

Anyway, Method with which I improved my anatomy:
-Learn the bones of the skeleton, and the muscles.
-Learn where each muscle connects and to what bone (SUPERFICIAL ones are enough, no need to go deeper unless you enjoy it)

-LEARN PROPORTIONS, I forgot about this shit, but my dumb ass directly jumped to anatomy drawings without even knowing universal proportions existed, that's why my first figures look like aliens. Don't know if it's easier to do it before or after knowing your body.

-Draw the human body in front/back view with references first, then without and keep at it until you master it.
-Start studying bodies in different poses, study the muscles only, take a pose from a ref, draw the skeleton, hide the ref and add the muscles, check the ref and compare. do this until you feel like you feel satisfied with your poses.
-Skecth from imagination some more.
-Now focus on "rendering" your ecorchés with skin if I can put it that way. analyze references, the way the muscles are showing through the skin, the bumps, holes, folds etc.

you can do this drawing directly from references if you're not really interested in imagination as much though, no problem with that.

Anyway, hope it somehow helped someone, and don't worry if you want to improve, you will.

>Pic related is my latest one, don't know when i'll finish it.

>>2382659
You're golden. Thank you so much