STUDY THREAD.

>>2292109
Man that nipple looks gross to me. It's so open, wtf. Surprising though, it's in that spot I always hate seeing it drawn on anime girls and shit.

>>2292117

I didn't even notice that.
It is kinda weird actually.

>>2292117

Try being less of a virgin/rampant homosexual next time.

>>2292123
I don't care what you say, the average nipple doesn't have a dip that big. It's an outlier, and it looks weird.

>>2292109
>sure, let's st-
>those big ass tits
Yeah I'm fapping m8

>>2292126

>implying you've ever seen nipples in real life rather than airbrushed photoshoots and porn

it's a normal human udder you dweeb

>>2292134
Here's the thing dumbass, I am myself a woman with boobs of my own, quite a few women in my family, and quite a few years of life drawing under my belt, I'm more than familiar with what real boobs look like considering I have to live with a pair. I've never seen a nip that looked like that, ever, outside of weird hentai drawings. Sorry I don't share your weird puckered nipple fetish but just because you like it doesn't mean it's normal for everyone around you. By the way she's not just going to magically sleep with you because you white-knighted her creepy vacuous nipples so get off my ass.

>>2292147
Chestlet detected, how many socks do you stuff your bra with?

>>2292147
>LOOK AT ME EVERYONE, I AM A WOMAN
So that's what you were waiting for, typical attention whore, and a slut to boot

In any case, now that the issues have been sorted, let's get on with the studying - guys only, please - we are more manageable people.

-OP

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>>2292151
No more than the number of dicks your mom stuffs her mouth with.
>>2292152
Fuck you and your shit taste.

>>2292147
Idk, my nips used to be that way before i went through puberty. They'd only go in when I was chillin though, they'd go out when it got cold.
Anyway are you guys going to argue about nipples all day or are you going to draw?
You're never going to make it.

>>2292154
I wasn't saying it's impossible for nips to look that way, I mean it's a photo, obviously it's how her boobs just are. But it is uncommon in my opinion, and I'll be damned if someone's gonna accuse me of not knowing what real boobs look like when they're actually the spaghetti-toting virgins who've never seen one in real life.

>>2292158
>all this jelly about what a real woman's breasts look like

Just tell your kek bf to pay Dr Kim for a boob job.

well this thread is up for a great start

>>2292147
>those nipples are gross and if you don't agree with me you're a loser with a fetish, hoping she will sleep with you.

End your life. You won't be missed.

I agree with the lady, this chick is hideous.

Can you post a picture of your boobs, anon? You know, for comparisons sake. For science.

>>2292180
She's not hideous she just has weird nipples, and no, fuck off.

>>2292147

Wow, so mad. You sound insecure. Your art probably sucks, too.

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>>2292196

So are you guys actually gonna draw something, or what?

>>2292216

>implying they can draw.

>>2292158
>I have seen my own and everyone in my same genetic-line's naked bodies therefore I am an expert on all other women
>How DARE someone on an anonymous message board automatically assume I don't have breasts

>>2292216
I was already drawing something else that I'm still working on. I might do this one later. Despite her holey nips I still like the picture and want to do a study of it.

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>>2292216

No, not gonna draw this photo. I don't know why /ic/ has such a hardon for these dark-as-fuck chiaroscuro photos with black shadows, but I hate working from them.

you need to be able to see shit if you want to learn anything. pic related: a photo with proper lighting to use as a figure study.

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Yet another great study thread, /ic/.

>>2292248
It's not good for anatomy practice but it is good for painting practice! Both are good imo. Also funnily enough one of her nipples has an "innie" like the OP pic.

>>2292109
Are beginners allowed in the study thread or should we do the studies but post in there?

>>2292253

Post wherever you want, lots of these threads barely get any replies with actual attempts anyway.

>>2292251
>Also funnily enough one of her nipples has an "innie" like the OP pic.

NO YOU'RE ARE WRONG AND ALSO A FAG NO WOMEN HAVE NIPPLES LIKE THAT I KNOW BECAUSE I AM A GIIIIRRRRLLLLL

>>2292258
>most people don't have nipples like this = no one has nipples like this

>>2292259
http://www.embarrassingissues.co.uk/invertednipples.html
10-20% of women have inverted nipples
It's more common than green eyes or red hair.

>>2292253
Skill level shouldn't matter. I've seen some straight up horrifying work in study threads.

Besides, it'd be better to post here so you can compare to others. That's assuming anybody feels like doing it though.

>>2292273
>most
>10-20% of women
>10-20%
>MOST

>>2292279
That's not what you originally said though, you're backpedaling now.
You said it was super weird, uncommon, and an "outlier"
None of those statements are like saying that most women don't have it. Most women also aren't attractive but you didn't feel the need to shitpost about that.

>>2292283
Do you know what the word outlier means? Synonym for not average, in the extreme, uncommon. I also said here >>2292126
>the average nipple
Second post, I said on average. I'm not backpedaling, I ALWAYS meant that it looked weird to me because I've never come across it. I never said anything like it's impossible for her nipples to actually be like that, how the fuck can I when there's the photo right there? You all just put words in my mouth and made insane leaps of logic. The only reason I brought up my own gender is because dude was trying to say it looked weird to me because I just don't know what tits look like and not because it's uncommon but at fucking 20% maximum, it's uncommon enough for me to find it strange, especially since as a straight woman I don't go searching for titties. Go to any porn site, any pose reference site, anywhere you can see vast amounts of tits and the majority of them will not look like that. That's always been my position from the start.

>>2292297
>Synonym for not average, in the extreme, uncommon
Exactly
And 10-20% is 1 in 10 or 1 in 5 women
That's preeeeeeeeetty damn common
So you were wrong

Also
>Go to any porn site,
>the majority of them will not look like that.
No shit, it's porn

and
>Go to ....anywhere you can see vast amounts of tits
>especially since as a straight woman I don't go searching for titties
Why are you making generalized statements about things you just claimed to never look up?

>>2292306
You know what anon? In your opinion I shouldn't find her nipples weird. In my opinion they are weird. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind and it doesn't matter at all. It changes literally nothing about anything. So we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

>>2292309
okay, fair enough

>>2292309
arguingwithholes.exe

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>>2292311

good children hug and play nice.

get back to work faggots. this is an artwork board, not mediation. draw, post, or get out.

>>2292315
I couldn't clarify that because of the stupid word limit. I do look up pose reference sites at times but not looking for tits specifically, and I don't look up porn sites, but that doesn't mean I've never seen them or shit from them. I mean if I looked for it more often, it would be more likely I'd come across that look, but I don't so I haven't. I do know that on the occasions I have looked at any porn or pose reference sites I never saw it, and I say that makes it uncommon enough. But again, none of this matters, and I'm not posting any more about it.

Once again some dumb attention whore comes into a thread and makes it all about her and her tits.

shout out to all the girls on /ic/ who aren't attention whores. I want to believe that you exist.

>>2292366
Shut up.

>>2292373
Follow your own advice.

>>2292109
is that paige turnah?

>>2292320

no one on ic draws anymore, all they do is talk about how artists working are all shit and how they are so much better.

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had once a gf with nipples like those. they not that bad. I think they kinda cute and it gives character. people comes in all variations.
Btw covered her nipple for you guys who can't even look at a god damn nipple. you're almost just as pathetic like those people who want to do figure drawings but whine about naked people.

>>2292443
>they not that bad.

implying any sort of nipples are bad. sorry to go full whiteknight, but does anyone actually care about this shit?

at least she didn't have pointy elbows. girls with pointy elbows should jump off a bridge.

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>ITT betas with ugly girlfriends are trying to justify ugly nipples and calling everyone virgins
Beta: The Movie

>>2292109
i like those type of nipples, i mean, i don't have the most particular preference in nipples but i still find that kind of nipple arousing!

>>2292109
>study thread
>almost entire thread is autists arguing over whether model is hot
This is why /ic/ is not very good.

>>2292449

> justify ugly nipples

this is the sort of weird viewpoint you get when you live your entire life without sexual contact. it's really tragic.

>>2292456

oh give it a rest. it's entirely possible that everyone in this thread is drawing furiously on other shit and only checking in here on healthy, doctor-recommended shitposting breaks. that's the only way I ever even visit this board.

>>2292457
Why are you projecting so hard?

>>2292448
>implying any sort of nipples are bad.
inverted nipples can be a sign of breast cancer.

Can you all just shut the fuck up and draw?

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Gave it a try

>>2292483

I like it.

Do you have a Tumblr/DeviantArt?

>>2292483
mudmixer / 10

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I zoomed out and almost closed the program in disappointment. Shit.

>>2292703
>Zooming in in the first place

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>>2292567
Hey thanks. I post stuff on enthsketches.tumblr.com

>>2292570
Seriously. I went back and stuck to line this time around.

>>2292147
I myself am a woman also and I've seen these kinds of nipples before. Try turning on a science program or porn. They are abundant.
So stop projecting and study or gtfo.

>>2292448
not only can it indicate brest cancer it's also a major problem while breastfeeding. Normal nipples are superior.

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>>2292109

What do you guys think?

>>2293133
The head's a bit on the small side, but it's still pretty sweet.

>>2293133
Very nice. You pushed the contrast a bit too much for my taste. for example the shoulder isn't that dark in the ref. same for the breast area. On the contrary the hand looks pretty good.

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Not gonna make it. First one in black is just looking at the reference. With red I used a guide for certain proportions.

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>>2293597
draw bigger. Go darker with your values. Spend more time measuring proportions at the beginning.

>>2293599
aight thx senpai

>>2293597

Those eyes are huge nigga.

>>2293616
Yea I've noticed that a lot in my stuff. Every time I try to make it smaller it looks weird to me though. I'll work on it though.

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>>2293575
Why can't i into crosshatching? Im not able to pinpoint what exactly is bad (line quality, values, form?).
And how do i improve the hatching, is it just milage?
rapoza and burt make it look so easy

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It's Beehive Time!

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>>2292109

I really need to go back to basics.

>>2293892
It looks like you go from one area to another without much structure

Figure out the planes of the face and build it up rather than doing each part separately

Also sort out a method of direction of your lines. Do you want it all one way, or curving with the shape of the face, or have each value a different direction? The more solid you are with your approach, the more finished and deliberate the final piece looks

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>>2294153
Its all over the place at the moment i cant really seperate the values.
How do people normaly approach this? Base values -> shadows -> midtones? Most of the stuff on youtube on hatching sucks so i kinda dont know what im doing

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>>2294175
I like the fact that your strokes aren't blended together but the ms paint aesthetic and proportion issues make it look very unappealing.

>>2294240
Thanks, I do try and pick all colours (or values) manually, with no blending as I heard it was good practice.
And my initial linework was crap to begin with - me and my shit attention span just wanted to get to the painting asap.

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>>2292109
Dumping shit I found on Pinterest.
I remember one time in high school some rich kid who would steal watches from the mall put me in a headlock for saying Pinterest was for girls.

Good times.

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Whelp, shit didnt go so good. Gave her a big head on purpose. Wasnt a proportion issue. I thought her small head was sexist and I think women have big brains so i adjusted.

>>2294704
Ironic shit-posting is still shit-posting anon.

>>2293597
do you turn everything you draw into an anime/real hybrid? could be a popular gimmick

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are you done discussing nipples guys

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>>2292109
Just the sketch right now

>>2294863
It's something I'm trying to fix. When I try to draw some realistic girl it ends up looking stylized
How do I get rid of this habit?

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Just something I put together in the time I had

It's been a long time since I did a proper focused study of a face, so this was pretty fun to do and hopefully some of the likeness is there

I pussied out a little bit on the nose and lips, gotta get confident there too

hopefully if my proportions arent too fucked (save the eyes, they're so much bigger than the reference holy shit) I can start focusing more on shading

>>2295823
Good shit nigger.
pls continue.

>>2295349
is this image blurry to anyone else or are my eyes going?

>>2295831
It's slightly blurry.

>>2295823

You are symbol drawing. Fix that by being more mindful of what you're actually seeing, and your art will improve tremendously.

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>>2295823
hey mind if i ask for some advice. i want to get as good as what you are right now but am failing at drawing like that. do you have any advice

i know there is a sticky but i am looking for advice on how you got it that way.


i tryed >>2294533 and failed badly i will post a pic of what i did


also fuck yea i am getting real fucking paper tomorrow to draw fuck this line shit

>>2295845
how do you remove yourself from symbol drawing mind if i ask

>>2295849
'how I got it that way' lies mostly in the setup of the drawing, i think.

By no means did I set everything up perfectly, but I always aim to get a general shape of the face and head. I haven't read many books on learning to draw, but I'd imagine that at least 99% of them would tell you to set up the head this way.

You can still sort of see where I haven't erased, I have a crossing of two lines to help me get an idea of where and how the face curves, and it helps me set up where I want the eyes.

The rest, as far as getting likenesses similar and for things in general to 'look good', all lies in learning the proportions of the face, and that varies with every person

for your lines, i think you're pressing down way too hard as well

ease up a little, and relax. try not to chicken-scratch as much

again, I'm mostly just regurgitating in a general form what most books will tell you in a much more precise way.

the sticky might be intimidating, but it's definitely worth it to put some time at the very least into what you personally are interested in improving on.

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>>2292109

>>2295831
>>2295841
I should stop doing that shit. Any other crits?

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>>2292443

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>>2295893
too blurry
>>2295349
nice well balanced image with high contrast
>>2294131
needs more nipple

>>2296078
She looks like a murderer.

>>2296078
Every thing looks great except for the face. Killed her soft features and made it very angular and aggressive looking.

>>2296078
You've lifted the head up too far mate.

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>>2296088
softened the face giving it more detail
>>2296098
lowered the face with liquify tool.

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>>2295850
be aware of the 3 dimensional forms of the objects you are drawing, and the plane changes that come from being a 3d form

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Well that was fun, but gotta go to work

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>>2294532
Gave it a shot

>>2296285
too soft

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>>2293575
This is symbol drawing, right? Any explanation on fixing whatever I did wrong?

>>2296687
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this is being retareded and failing to present your work

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>>2296691
Alright, you got me. Any better?

>>2296687
It's symbol drawing.

>>2296701
Have any recommendations on how to fix it, or just head straight to Loomis?

>>2296707
Just observe more closely what you are drawing. Draw what you see, not what you think you see.

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>>2296687
Read the sticky.

>figure studies from photos
pfffthahahah

>>2296749
>shitposting on /ic/
pfffthahahah

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>>2292109

Study? Guess you want people to draw it.

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>>2294529
I tried making her tits big because I'm practicing tits.

>>2296687
>>2296707
see
>>2296200
>>2295850


>>2297202
stop

>>2297242
At least tell me what I did wrong.

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>>2297202
You won't learn anything like that. If you're practicing drawing big boobs then fucking use references of women with big boobs.

>>2297275
Thanks senpai.

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>>2293575
Could definitely be better, but I feel like I got some fairly good practice out of it.

>>2297625
Nice

>>2297645
Thank you. I wish it actually looked like her.

>>2297625
>>2297661
Her face is too fat. Other than than, pretty nice.

>>2297666
Thanks Lucifer. Yeah her face and nose are definitely too wide and puffy and I tried for ages to make them thinner until I just said fuck it. Next time I'll have to refine the sketch better to capture the likeness, I resigned to just try and get some rendering and color practice out of it. Not excusing, just musing.

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Can you guys do this?

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>>2297625
>>2297661
if you want a closer likeness thin out the jawbone and soften the wings of the nose as it transitions towards the bridge and i think you're good

>>2292570

That's a term from painting. How do you think you can "mix mud" from a black and white pencil sketch?

Stop throwing around terms you don't understand in a pathetic attempt to try and undermine other people because you're insecure about your own abilities.

>>2295349

Chromatic Aberration is a crutch. It looks awful on profession work too. Concentrate on the fundamentals and leave the superficial post processing stuff at the door.

>>2297874
This is really nice

>>2297892
Thanks for the feedback, I guess it's really like that, I only do it sometimes when lazy.
Any other crits on construction etc?

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>>2296570
Scared of the hair, I never did realistic hair before. Any tips or feedback ?

>>2299101
don't think

>>2299101
Not bad. You lost some of the character of the face by sort of straightening things out a bit and flattening some of the forms. Would be nice to bring in that richer dark reddish tone from the photo too.

This hair is actually easy to paint. It's already sorted itself into a nice large single mass, and then within that has a couple smaller masses. Keep this main mass present (as you have block it in) and then start to define the smaller masses. Keep in mind the flow of the hair too and how each small mass relates to others and the whole. Careful of the outer contour of her hair because in yours it is wobbly and hesitant. Look for the major curves and angles and get those right.

>>2299101
Squint your eyes

> :)

>>2299101
Brilliant

>>2299150
useless comment

>>2295349
Kron plz.

>>2299101
Very close facial proportions, my man.You've got a good eye for that. Pretty good and accurate detail work. Got the groundwork for the highlighted and darkened skin down, but I'd really push the darks a bit more on her forehead, nose, upper eyelids -- just most of the face is in the correct PATTERN of value, things are in the right place, but... where the skin gets dark you need it a little darker to really match the picture. I'd redden the shadows a bit, too, because your color's not spot-on like your proportions.

Good job, I'm impressed.

>>2299101
>>2300077
Adding to what I just said, I know your real issue is with the hair, but oh well, I hope other anon explained it clearly enough for you. Personally, I can't follow detailed verbal instructions like that, but I was never good with verbal instructions.

Anyway if you are wondering what the next step is for your face painting, after you did what I critiqued, if you want to take it another step towards being realistic, is to start working on the texture of the skin and eyebrows, scrotum, and even the lips some more.

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>>2300079
>>2300077
I've just read your comment, and I added more shadow to the forhead (maybe not enough ?). My sense of observation is limited here so I think I've finished but if you see things to adjust tell me. Also thanks for the feedback >>2299109 the hair was in fact pretty easy!
And for the textures,yes it will be great if I learn that but I don't know how to start maybe I will make some research.

>>2300103
I still don't think it's perfect, but you're a lot closer than before. I bet you're trying really hard to push your perception here now, so at this point you did your best, so I suggest you don't keep squeezing your brain over this one. When you tried your best but it's not perfect, then that's your best and make a new best. This is my last comment. Happy painting.

>>2300527
Lol thanks. It's really frustrating, I see that it is not perfect but can't do more. I will follow your advice if I don't want that it make me crazy lmao.

>>2294167

some imho good advice I got on the matter was to never 'cross hatch' I mean, it has it's uses especially when you are using inks or other one shade mediums, but with pencils you can blend and you can make a wide variety of gradations, instead I was told to use a 45 degree angle on the first pass and if you do another pass do a very very close angle like 42 or 47 (not that you can eye ball that, just trying to give you a visual) also not saying you shouldn't follow the shape either. but think about not doing opposite angles but doing angles so close they blend together, see if it helps more than hatching would.

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>>2294532

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>>2293575

>>2300065
This is gonna haunt me for a long time isn't it

>>2301100
Did you even look at the picture?
Nice double dubs though

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>>2297763

>>2301172
Nice

>>2292109
looks like Bruce Jenner

>>2301305
You look like Bruce Jenner.

>>2301717
Thank you.

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how is it?

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>this thread
You guys are fucking autists. No wonder you're a buncha failure that prefer to lurk >le internet art club and argue over your general faggotry rather than being productive.

Take a look at yourself niggers, you're the most disgusting thing you'll ever see.

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I tried to use tablet pressure control only on the soft brush.

>>2301992
autism

>>2301999
A lot of potential in this.
You need lighter highlights but careful when tightening it cause it can easily get fucked.
I'd suggest more sharpness/focus in the eyes and the hair falling on her face. Maybe separate the lips a bit more with a hard shadow. In general a very very good start!

>>2301999
>>2302246
Also, the construction can be a bit more tight.
Mark the neck and the rest of the hair, so it doesn't look like a floating head, watch for the distance between the far eye and the nose, angle of the nose, distance between the nostrils, height of forehead, volume of hair etc.
Good luck!

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>>2293575
I hate the blur and focus effect
>>2297625
not too accurate, but good color.
>>2293892
draw the pic upside down focus on getting it as accurate as you can.
>>2297874
Looks most accurate, also confirms she has alien face.

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>>2293575
first time shading and doing stuff like this

>>2302350

Stop, redo it and make sure all your measurements are correct.

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>>2302350
Another one, tried to correct her chin more but couldn't give a shit anymore.

>>2302380
I think same thing applies to this too.

>>2302427
Yeah, her head is way too wide, her eyes are lopsided and so on. Don't start rendering before everything is in the right place. Don't forget to flip the canvas (and ref) every now and then.

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>>2292109
would you, /ic/?

>>2300527
>>2300103

I overlaid the images and I'd say it's as close as any of us could hope to get. The likeness is captured, and the margins of error are negligible. The only thing that is noticeable to me is that the specularity of her skin isn't the quite the same. Other than that, you did a really good job!

>>2302254
>>2302246
Thank you! By "don't get fucked when tightening", you mean the picture getting too blurry right? I definitely got a bit lazy with the hair in front of her there.

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>>2293575
well i tried.
>>2295216
I tend do this as well

>>2302611
>well i tried.
Did you try? Did you really?

>>2302692
well heck, if its that bad I would like to hear your opinion about it.

>>2302427

That eye is drastically off. Are you doing any construction at all?

>>2292249
"study"

>>2302581
Thank you, and what do you mean by "specularity of her skin" ?

>>2302822
More like "lets see who can make a 1:1 copy" amirite.
There are a few people that seem to actually are studying

>>2292186
My nipples sometimes do that and I don't consider them gross, go fuck yourself lady "my boobs are the only good kind"

>>2303146
You can't do an effective study until you can do 1:1 copies. These people are just earlier on in their artistic development.

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>>2303277
>You can't do an effective study until you can do 1:1 copies

>>2303281
Ummm yeah. If you don't have basic observational skills and control over your medium how are you expected to effectively study something? You can't form a sentence without knowing some vocabulary and grammar. Learning to copy what is in front of you has been the most basic exercise for centuries--students start with copying diagrams or casts before moving on to more complex things.

>>2303277

>want to draw tank
>can't draw a 1:1 copy of it because there isnt paper big enough
>therefore, can't do an effective study
>???
>never draw tanks ever

Nice logic

>>2303277
What is an efective study senpai?
Say i got a 1:1 copy of op. But its just that, a copy. What/how do i study?

Is it true that you shouldn't study from photos as the photos has camera distortions.

I read this on concept art.

It seems like you're probably encountering the same problems I encountered. A course of action you should take at this point is to stop drawing from photographs. For now, at least, and focus on life drawing. This could mean getting a mirror, or attending a long-pose drawing class, or going to the library/cafe, or ordering an Asaro Head, or a skull. Or all of them, why not?

The photo is kind of an optical illusion. The camera isn't nearly as powerful as a human eye, and thus you are going to get all kinds of weird distortions that you wouldn't get with study of a real-life head. Somebody on this forum said something to the effect of "the brain doesn't recognize what it doesn't notice". You may recognize a face in that photo (well duh, but you know what I mean), and notice similarities across different photos of faces, but their optical illusion-like distortions will prevent your brain from really learning retaining anything more substantial than the skill of copying (not bad in itself, but you need more). With life drawing study you will be able to memorize and learn all the physical 3d structures that you may not notice in a flat photograph.

Read more: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/257880-Andrew-Loomis-Technique-WTF-(moved-from-Fine-Art)/page2#ixzz3tBNw3sxR

>>2303305

>camera distortions.

This and the unnatural lighting in a lot of photos I see people 'study', translating 3D forms into 2D is always going to be better than replicating 2D forms. The problem is that if people didnt study from photos whats the alternative? Life drawing sessions aren't exactly easy to attend all the time given time and money constraints.

>>2303295
Pick one thing and focus on that. Could be: construction, values, colour, edges, or something else. Really focus on getting that one thing right, and don't worry too much about the other things. Ask yourself for each stroke you make: why it is the way it is, and if you can change it somehow to make it better. Maybe you are focusing on colour temperature, you will want to shift a colour slightly warmer or cooler or more neutral than the ref. So you start to make decisions and changing things to your needs but always basing those decisions off the source material (so you consider the forms and lighting and so on). You essentially weave design hierarchies into the image so that it works as a whole and you control where the attention in the image is. You need to have basic abilities to observe and draw/paint before you can make these decisions from a place of knowledge instead of a place of ignorance.

>>2303316
You can set up still lifes, do plein air, paint a self portrait from a mirror, get friends or family to pose, copy master paintings etc.

Also I think it's fine to study photos so long as you don't exclusively do that. You should also spend some time making sure to understand the shortcomings of photos so that when you do study one you aren't accidentally building in bad habits (or at least you can reduce it).

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>>2301986
Done with it

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>>2303386
w8 lemme just rescale it

>>2292147
"I AM MYSELF A WOMAN"
"WOMAN"
"PLSGUYS IMGRILL"
"PAYATTENTIONTOME"
Go die slut

>>2303430
so why don't you just not take the bait. you're purposefully giving her a lot of attention right now, what the fuck is your problem, huh? little bitch.

>>2303430
>>>r9k

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>>2293575
Great. Doesn't look like her at all, please help me

>>2302741
Not him but you need to read some loomis or Drawing on the right side of the brain,
Your proportions are all wrong and the result is some hideous code lyoko thing

>>2303635
you're not observing. Really look at the image, notice the shapes of value and color and try to accurately render them. Don't make anything up. Also the proportions are obviously off but don't focus on likeness too much, just really study the values first. it can help to open the reference image and just take a brush and outline/trace the shapes of color and value you see

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>>2296570
One of my first studies. still trying to get the hang of it.

>>2293434
silver surfer / 10

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>>2294529
Guys, please help.
I didnt draw eyes or hair cuz i have no idea how to go about it.
Am i still symbol drawing?
Im trying to look at everything as 3d objects.

>>2303635

Symbol drawing. Second the recommendation of "drawing on the right side of the brain"

>>2304690
>Am i still symbol drawing?
Yes.
as fuck

You should step back from adding features to the face and learn how to properly construct the head and its proportions.

>>2304696
Got a book or something that can help me?

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Focusing on color identification and shit.

What's a good place to get reference photos for studying purposes? Specially non-studio photos.

>>2303277
You're friends "jokingly" insult your intelligence all the time, don't they?

>>2301100
>I'm Lorde yah yah yah

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>>2292109

Thought I'd make it easier on myself by doing it without color, but even then I never realized how tone-blind I was.

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>>2292109

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>>2292109
first drawing attempt, with normal mouse, mspaint

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>>2295349
Stop this meme

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>>2292109

>>2306023
interesting colours, a bit too dark but I like it

>>2297065
omg it looks like a man

Wait...isn't this Connie Carter?

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>>2296570
Trying to get better with values and overall face structure. Critique welcomed. Thanks.

>>2307121
Looks good. The right eye (on the left) seems to pop outward into a bigger shape, which can be a stylistic choice or an error. The hair lines have been done pretty well. Perhaps her forehead is a little bit too small? This is overall an excellent drawing, similar to illastrat's style, I think. Don't mess it up, move onto the next drawing and try harder. The lines on the hair work really well stylistically.

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>>2293575

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>>2292109
I give up, good night fuckers

>>2308022
the thumbnail looks perfect. Great job anon

>>2306349
Useless comment. What exactly causes it to look like a man and how can i avoid it/improve?

>>2308022
the upper body is too short and leaning too much

>>2308022
What >>2308061 said. The thumbnail gives it a great personality; very telling. Reminds me of something Vilppu or Huston said about making your drawing look more like the action of the model than the model itself.

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>>2293575
1h30, didn't want to go into detail with the eyes

>>2308061
>>2308820
>>2308855
thanks a lot for the feedback, it was a quick sketch so I didn't spend too much time on the base and kinda went right it.

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>>2308982
quick edit

>>2309007
Pretty good so far, anon.

>>2309007
A+

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First time doin a study. I wish I hadn't done it in a notebook.

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>>2310117
Shit. Here's it shrunk down.

>>2308069
the face and the arms are too wide, do some research into what makes features more feminine or masculine

>>2310122
Can do that. Thanks anon.

>>2292109
Bump.

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>>2292109

So nasty

>>2292147
L O N D O N
O
N
D
O
N

>>2292147
There goes the thread

>>2311552
best face in thread so far
not feeling her right arm

>>2299194

Ditto.

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>>2311207

>>2292109
Bump.

>>2307988
symbol drawing is bad here.

>>2292147
Seeing as how this is 4chan, it must be said.
>tits
>gtfo
Choose.

>>2312484
You got a tumblr/deviantart?

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My attempt

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>>2292109

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>>2315263

>>2303388
colours feel duller than the reference, which is strange bc it looks like you've colourpicked. or maybe that's the problem; when you blend the samples together they lose a bit of their lustre. don't be afraid to throw around colours a little more violently than the software tells you, I think.
but apart from that your proportions are in good stead & your rendering is lovely & subtle! nice stuff.

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>>2294530
The more I try, the less similar it gets. Any tips?

>>2315435
loomis

>>2315126
yeah but I just made it recently, and I'm yet to start uploading content
http://itou-memo.tumblr.com/

>>2315435
Looks great

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>>2292151
>>2292153

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>>2296570

>>2303277
>You can't do an effective study until you can do 1:1 copies.
You're literally fucking retarded.
A study is for learning anything related to how to draw/paint. Doesn't matter how fucking perfect you made it, if you didn't learn jack shit from doing the study. And if you didn't, do more until you do. If you learned things but didn't do it perfect, go use what you've learned to make new and better studies.
If it wasn't effective unless you did it perfectly, then literally no one but the people doing it perfectly could improve at art. Even if you're doing studies mainly to become better at doing the study itself, it's effective if you actually learn anything.

>>2297202
Why do people think boobs look like this. LIFE IS NOT A LOW QUALITY HENTAI.

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>>2315263
Not perfect but I'm happy with the outcome.

>>2316241
is this sarcastic?

>>2316249
No, why would you think I'm being sarcastic?

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Sorry for the shitty pictures, any tips?

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>>2316316
The under drawings weren't very solid, but this painting shit is also hard.

>>2316258
lmfao man

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am still studying this picture,u can tell there is some trick photography to contrast highlights.head placement is way to off throwing the average artist for a loop whole when studying the female specimen.i resolute pixel framing to 190 % to verify if there was manipulation. the shadow contrast verified it in the graphic automator and there was solid RGB dark edging. this tells me some parts where airbrushed which is usually the case behind a grey background. although beautiful women in the picture.and i understand why the photographer wanted frizzy hair in the picture in photo refinement a nice trick just in case someone tries to infringe professional photography.

>>2316395
what does any of this mean

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>>2315263
This is really discouraging, I thought the construction was going well at first :/ I never seem to notice the problems until I've already sunk a lot of time into it

>>2316432
nothing, hes a beginner trying to cheat

>>2316638
That happens a lot, but gets better with practice.

It might help to be as specific as possible when measuring and placing landmarks. For example, if you measured an eyeline, know exactly what part of the eye you intended it to cross (top edge of the tearduct, highest point of upper eyelid, etc).

Measure proportions in relation to everything else. Check what lines up vertically, horizontally and diagonally.

For the nose especially, you're not drawing what's actually there. Study up on nose anatomy and you'll better be able to see what to watch out for. IIRC proko has a couple of decent nose anatomy videos on youtube to get you started.

>>2301986
Who is that?, i feel like i have seen her b4.

>>2316644
thanks for the tip, I'll check out those videos.

>>2292109
Bump.

>>2311552
you're good with colors, but you need to work a bit more on your draftsmanship. Foreshortening/perspective and anatomy esp, brush up on your hand studies and don't neglect doing wrists. The nip made me laugh, thank you.

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>>2294530
>>2316638
Trying to focus more on getting the proportions right, but I honestly can't tell if I'm getting better

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>>2318794
Rotated

>>2318794
>>2318795
terrible

if you are focusing on proportions at least try using construction lines

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>>2294532
still gotta work on proportions/ values/ brush economy but getting there

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:D

Does study means copy the image or Am I missing the point there?

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Oh man I made her eyes and forehead so freakin huge
I hope my values at least turned out good, since that was my entire point of the study.

>>2318908
Depends on what you're studying. If you were to study values for example, one practice is to make a value scale of your own and identify what values from your scale are on your image. Next step would be to paint the image thinking exclusively about your value scale and the lighting scenario. Where's the light coming from? Did I guess the right values in the image as compared to my scale? How is the light reacting to the environment? etc. It's not merely copying, it's a dedicated focus on a particular subject.

>>2319599
Work on your proportions, this looks hideous, stop wasting time.

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wippady woo

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>>2292248
grayscale because I gotta work on values. Might finish later, but I gotta stop tonight or I'll keep goin till the damn sun comes up. Mighta been too big a challenge for me right now, but fuckit.

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A study in oils I did in prep for a commission of a Mick Jagger pic, the placement of the eyes is a bit off but I pretty happy with it otherwise. Would appreciate any constructive criticism.

>>2320804
Take a better photo of it next time and also resize the image to be 1k pixels max on the long side.

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>>2320804
took a better pic and resized it

>>2320868
Does Mick Jagger has such un even eyes?

>>2292483
Spooky/10

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>>2320868
Same person here. A study of a Rembrandt I did a while back, also in oils

>>2320879
I literally mentioned that when I posted this... Tell me something I don't know maybe?

>>2320868
Much easier to see properly now.

It's not bad, but I feel it's a bit boring, or it's missing something. Maybe take a look at Ashley Wood since he does similar types of loose painterly images with a very restrained palette like that. But you'll see he brings a lot of life and interest to his images by controlling the shapes, edges, and colours a lot.

Also next time I would make sure to compose it more carefully so the top of his head isn't cut off by the edge of the canvas.

I'm assuming this is hte photo you used: http://cdn.taschen.com/media/images/960/pr_rolling_stones_bailey_mick_jagger_1973_22586_1503131001_id_915270.png

In which case you missed out on some things like the bottom of his jaw in yours doesn't have the same depth to it, or his nose in yours is very flat. The lips in the original had more form and colour to them as well.

>>2320893

Great critique, thanks! I'll keep this in mind when I do the actual one. First commission ever so hopefully I can make it work.

>>2315264
>Posting signed study

>>2292109
Bump limit reached.

It was fun, guys.

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Is this a good subject?
I thought the textures in the hair and the mask was cool.