>>2289429 Now that I've been watching Sycra's videos, I've found out that he's actually really fucking good, especially with color. He made a decision to go for an extreme stylistic look and it alienated some people but I have a lot of respect for how much work he put in, and frankly I enjoy his videos because he's really human about it.
>>2289562 Exactly, I've only been watching his videos a few days and he's said sooooo much that makes just so, so fucking much sense to me, it's already made a difference in some key areas. Fuck, his short video on picking colors that work was the first of any kind of color instruction that actually helped me understand things and there was an immediate improvement in my coloring right after I watched it the first time. I seriously don't understand why people are bashing him. If you just watch a few of his videos you can see some of the drawings he did before developing his style and you can tell he really knew his shit even back then. It's really a case of not judging a book by its cover with him, although I don't really understand looking at his stylized stuff and not being able to see the skill within it either.
>>2289429 I actually really like Sycra's pointy chins style. It has a lot of personality and uniqueness, which the drawing on the left definitely lacks. Also he goes wild with the design experiments sometimes (like the hair on the right) which I think is cool.
2015 is a really confident drawing. You can see it in the lines and that makes it a load more appealing. 2006 is really timid and comes off as weak. I'm not the biggest fan of Sycra's style but I really like it in this redraw. I respect him for staying true to what he likes despite the naysayers.
>>2289429 I can't really add much more, everyone else pretty much summed it up. He has way more confidence and it shows in the latter piece. People may not like the sharp style thing he has going but I think it works well.
>>2289429 Much better strokes Better perspective/anatomy in places, ruined in others (muh style) Worse everything else
>9 fucking years of progress Holy shit, that is scary anons. Is this diminishing returns coming into play, or is the guy just sticking with his comfort zone here? I'd lose the drive to draw if that was my improvement over an entire decade.
>>2289777 You don't know what you're talking about. You've undoubtedly never truly seen his work. Watch either "Up to Mischief" or "Crickets" out of his Pointy Chins series if you think there's no substance to his work or that he created this style overnight on a whim. He put in a shit ton of time and effort, way more than anyone on here ever has. This is why most of /ic/ will go nowhere, you sit back and parrot each other's dislike for anyone successful without looking past the surface of their work, if you even bother to look at their work at all before you start criticizing it.
>>2289992 I've literally only known this guy existed for a few days, and it's actually because you fools keep making these threads trying to discount him. Me calling you out for not knowing how to recognize and analyze skill when you see it isn't the same as me defending him or saying he's almighty or anything like that. And calling you out for criticizing something that it's painfully obvious you haven't even actually looked at for more than 2 seconds is just prudence, that shit doesn't fly with anything, art related or not. The only thing I'm offended by is people talking out of their asses. It's okay though, like I said that's the reason why your short-sighted asses are going to be here forever.
>>2289992 >should I post all of the "look how better they got in one year" examples?
Just because someone can get, say, ten times better in a year doesn't mean they can get a hundred times better in ten years.
There are certain things that, as you learn them, you get a massive and demonstrable leap in quality. After you've learned all the fundamental parts (this can take a year or five depending on pace) it turns considerably more subjective. As /ic/ frequently loves to parrot, "you need to learn the rules before you can start to break them."
Sycra can and has done very technically capable art. He knows all the rules and he shows it frequently in his videos. He just chose to stop following all of them and develop his style instead. I think the pointy chin thing was a really bad call but that's his thing and if he likes it then whatever.
/ic/ really does too much "x person hasn't improved objectively at a steady rate after x years?" and completely fail to account that firstly not everyone has the same objectives, and secondly that you hit a wall in terms of technical expertise after a point once you've learned all the necessary stuff, and from there you either spend years polishing your technical expertise with marginal gains or you start experimenting with alternative styles that inevitably not everybody is going to like.
>>2290654 Yeah look at all this birdshit here>>2290518. You absolute fucking jackasses don't even know what the hell you're talking about. At all. None of you have looked past page 1 of what he does and you think you're saying something with this thread. Someone said he can't capture a likeness even though he has videos specifically on doing caricatures. You're like ants sitting on his sleeve, looking at a hair on his arm and calling him tiny in your ignorance. No matter how good he is or isn't, none of you will ever be any better because all you ever do is rest on your laurels and throw tomatoes from the stands. If you can't even put for the effort to understand what you're bashing, no way in hell you'll ever put forth the effort needed to surpass it. This place is such a joke.
>>2290304 Agree with the whole post, however I think the issue here is that people feel he didn't get that better compared to the success/exposure/circlejerking he has. I see plenty of people on his skill level, or even better, on DA/tumblr having 0 comments and 500 pageviews.
Meanwhile, this guy gets worshipped on weekly threads in here.
That's why I will say he's not remarkable. Not remarkable for the popularity he has. Not that he's objectively bad or anything.
I think the main reason for this is that his tutorials attract beginners who naturally believe his works are amazing because they have limited exposure to a pool of artists. A similar deal with Mark Crilley and his manga works. Great tutorials, great skills, yet his mangas somehow suck but there's plenty of people claiming he's the best manga artist ever.
It's more a thing about what type of audience you cultivate, rather than personal skill. I think the fact that appealing to beginners with less standards is upsetting those who criticize people like sycra.
To me, his progress is still completely unremarkable. You'll be hard pressed to name a single young person who has his exposure and improved less than him in 9 years.
>>2290680 You don't get it, none of you do, that's why you do this instead of producing anything worthwhile. It's not about Sycra, it's not about Kron-Saki-Kwon-Ruan-Noah-Crilley, it never is. I've had this argument in threads against all of them and then some. It's never about them, it's about you and how you've turned this place into an echo chamber of ignorance. It's always the same stupid deflection, "get off his dick", anything to avoid facing the fact that you all gather around to talk shit about people you haven't even researched, safe in your circlejerk of hate from facing your own shortcomings. This place is no better than DA or tumblr, you just use different means of avoiding coming to terms with the fact that you suck and are jealous of anyone who actually gets out and does anything. It's all stagnation by refusal of information. I don't really care though, you all can stay in the cave telling each other stories with shadow puppets, I'm off to the real world.
>>2290694 I'm not that guy, but frankly you are just as bad as the people you're calling out. The "I'm so englightened, everyone here is a worthless troglodyte, I live in the real world and they're just a bunch of sad NEETs who don't understand reality" is just as bad if not worse than the exact thing you're criticizing. Not only are you being a dismissive little child, but you're doing it in such an insufferably self righteous manner that I'd quite honestly sooner listen to the "circle jerkers". If you were really so fucking divine as you claim you wouldn't feel the need to even respond to a single one of these comments and you'd be practicing right now. It's sickeningly ironic that you're ripping in people for being "jealous of anyone who actually gets out and does anything" when you are also just fucking shitposting. Your entire argument seems like the enormous projection of someone who themself has stagnated.
Nigga, even people in ivory towers occasionally come down to try and tell you to clean the shit off yourself. But this is 4Chan. Everyone gets beshitted. It's that guy's fault for not realizing that and just leaving without the post, but he tried at least.
>>2290702 Say whatever you want about me, because it's not about me either. I chose to phrase it one way this time, I've said it many other ways ranging from polite suggestion to mimicking the same sort of memed ad hominem you see all over this site. You know I'm right. These threads are only a way for people to try and feel better about how little they've accomplished. Whether any of you face it now or later, if any of you ever expect to do anything with your work, you will have to let go of the attitude that spawns these or you will never go anywhere. That is the plain and simple truth, and will be the truth no matter who you hear it from, how it's said, even if nobody had ever said it, and it's not gonna change. Truth doesn't always come in a pretty package but it's always useful.
>>2290713 not really they usually just hire someone else to do it. if you're using this website and enter a thread and engage with people in the thread you're automatically on the same level. >you absolute fucking jackasses blah blah blah circlejerk is no better than >this artist is shit blah blah it's all a waste of time. just ignore the thread.
>>2290716 >>2290717 The thing is, art is the only thing I'm passionate about. When I see this kind of tearing down of an artist who has a lot to offer, it burns me up not just on behalf of the artist being bashed, but because it's something akin to - and I'm sure someone won't like this analogy - seeing some native indigenous people being decimated by a disease they don't understand and refusing help from a more advanced people because they don't understand that either. It's a mixture of frustration and sadness. Most of the time I let it slide, I'd go insane if I got into this every time I come here. Today I just felt like trying again. I am going to go back to drawing now though.
>>2290723 People come to /ic/ because it's basically the only place on the internet to still get harsh critique, maybe there'll be some trolling morons but if you can't brush that off you'd never make it anyway.
>>2290762 >the only place on the internet to still get harsh critique a harsh critique is only worth reading if the poster is accountable to his words Consider most people here are anonymous and jump the ship when they were told to post their work I would say this place is no more than a joke for critique
I come here only for inspiration and free reference
Basically yeah, his tutorials net him mad traffic because most people starting out google/youtube "how to draw x" and his tutorials usually figure high in the results. He markets himself well, and as far as I'm concerned, good for him. Better still that he markets himself in a way that's beneficial for others via teaching how to draw rather than just aggressively slapping his name and art anywhere he can.
>>2289429 I get that he really likes drawing the human figure, but damn, I really wish he'd explore other subject matters for once. every week it's been a new "How to draw x body part". I'd like to see a video where he explores Environments, or vehicle design for once. I know he's dabbled with other subject matter a few times in the past, but his channel is heavily focused on drawing the "stylized" human figure.
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