Progress Critique Thread

You got worse.

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You didn't say how far apart the dates had to be.

>>2286559

definite improvement on the lines but the wheels perspective are off on both.remember the minor axis of the ellipse points towards the vanishing point, along the line of the axle

dates can be as far apart as you like

>>2286532
care to elaborate what got worse?

>>2286601
Don't listen to him, he's being a faggot. You seem to be on the right track, although I would recommend to try some different head angles. I know drswing a head in profile is easy, but you have to step out of your comfort zone. Also, less lines. They look hairy and not confident.

>>2286601
Sure. You found a comfort zone and your comfort zone sucks.

Your before drawings are rough, sure, but they have life, you explore different angles and expressions. Your after drawings are rote, you learned to draw something you apparently like(though god knows all the women look awful to me but tastes and all) and you're sticking with it. It's shit.

Unless you just chose a bad page and it's not representative of your general drawing output, but then you should've posted something else.

Also while it superficially appears your lines got better because the right side is more cleaned up, it progresses in a completely wrong direction. The lines that are left alone look like you got lucky instead of being deliberate decisions, as evidenced by the chicken scratched ones. There are actually more hints of confident, long strokes in the before picture than in the after picture.

It feels to me you're too afraid of failure to work on the things you're lacking.

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I escaped the nefarious clutches of the weeb shortly after May and have commenced with slow but steady gains considering how lazy I've been getting. I'm satisfied at least.

I also disagree with >>2286952 and also don't think that you can really get that 'stuck' in a comfort zone in the span of a month, two pages isn't really representative of that. I find his November stuff to be better on a technical level. Less cartoonish definitely, but that's not inherently a bad thing.

>>2286965
You got worse m8. Anime is always better.

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>>2286968

>>2286952
Yeah, he has a point. The newer page is more clean and confident, but you're doing the same view of the same face over and over. Before, you were exploring more. Maybe the new stuff looks better but you learned more while doing that old stuff.

>>2286952
>>2287209
>>2286682

I definitely agree with you guys, i've been focussing too much on trying to get the same realistic proportions of too similar faces. thanks for the advice.

i started with doing pen only sketches this week so maybe that's taking some of the life out/ adding to feathering that i could get away with in pencil. but that should fix with mileage and thinking more about what i'm going to put down .

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Love looking at my old work desu

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these are a

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>>2288146
month apart

>>2288147
>>2288146
discovered round forms / 10

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>>2288146
>>2288147
...all of them look like Dobby.

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>>2288060
as for painting

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recently got to update this, coincidentally

>>2288511
That must be one comfy zone you're in anon.

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>>2288511
I wish I had your talent.

>>2288543
Yeah progress is really slowing down...

The prospect of money from doing commissions is so enticing but I feel like they're slowing me down. The time I'm taking to do it is taking away from my personal stuff. But I'm so fucking poor and go to school for something unrelated to art-- how do you guys balance between work and studies? Do you think commissions are an appropriate place to do study-like work?

>>2288553
Maybe offer commissions for a reduced price if they contain something related to your studies?

>>2288553
I think youre doing great, animu style aside I like it, as long as you keep studying anatomy, form and values youre fine

>>2288509
I actually really like that frog scene, looks comfy. Nice work.

>>2288511
Impressive dude, how'd you do it?

>>2288767
Pretty good improvement

>>2288767
>month- day- year

why do you have humanity?

>>2288773
*hate

>>2288561
Hm maybe that's not a bad idea.

>>2288595
I hope so, I'm hoping to make more progress before class gets too rough. I already feel like I'm at another bump in the road atm.

>>2288618
Nothing special. I just looked at art I liked and tried to paint.

>>2288767

Nice improvement, good job on getting away from the anime garbage look.

>>2286965
comparing anime to a study

>>2288613
which i which?

>>2288820
Left is earlier.

I have regress instead ad of progressing and I have stagnated and not moved from shittyville, population me, sigh it suk anons it really does. Not that I wans t shitty before but iI just hope to be less shitty than before.

>>2288865
Read the book "master - the keys to success and longterm fullfillment". It souns self-helpy, but it's good.

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>3 years since the sticky
>get this
ウェイクミーアップ

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A years progress in creature design, because I'm re-doing this design now. Both are based on zbrush sculpts I did, but I'm trying to hide the obvious 3d.

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It took 14h a day to achieve this--

>>2288818

comparing shit I did 6 months ago to today as the thread suggested.

I wasn't doing much better than what I posted in May.

>>2288511
Oh, dude. I'm really loving The Lodestar space one.
Mind sharing the image?

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>>2288511
Man anon, that s2000 is HELLA sick.
Way to go.

>>2288994
Nice

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>>2289582
sure, here's the original

>>2289625
thanks, I'd never done cars before so I don't think it quite came out as I expected. if I could go back I think i'd do things pretty differently.

>>2288561
>>2288779
If there's enough demand, I'd actually go the other way of increasing your prices. If you double your prices and are able to retain half the number of commissions, then you're net 0 money-wise, but you now spend half the amount of time on commissions in a week.

Even if you get half the amount of commissions, and you spend 50% more time on each, you're working 75% of the time you used to and making the same amount of money. That's more tie you can spend on studies.

>>2288967
my sides!!!!
so thats how you finally fixed it

uber top kek

>>2289200
You might be even more stupid than 6 months ago, if you're comparing those things now

It's can't show any progress if you don't show related type of works, studys with studys, original pieces with original pieces, drawing from imagination with drawing from imagination, referenced drawings with referenced drawings and so on, if you don't youre only feeding delusions of your self image, and that won't help you steping ahead

>>2288779
>Nothing special. I just looked at art I liked and tried to paint.
I'm sure you have education related to graphic design

>>2288613

I like the one on the left more but I get that you're working on construction and fundamentals rather than prettiness.

I say combine some of the stuff you did with values on the left with what you've learned since.

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7 months ago:

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>>2289744
A month ago

>>2289746
nice

>>2289746
your 2nd pic is referenced, over half doodles on your first pic doesn't seem referenced

pointing out what is copied, inspired or from imagination is vital to compare, fking faggots, if you don't care about this you're not gonna git gud

>>2289676
How was the Moon?

>>2289013
trolling or not?
>>2289744
>>2289746
neat

>>2289755

post your work ;^)

>>2289765
wow these have a lot more life too. from this month?

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>>2289768
Sorry accidently deleted it,

It was done a few days before the second pic.

>>2289762
trolling . or lying about the hours

>>2289727
Does doing forum signatures over a decade ago count? I have no formal education if that's what you mean, I went and got a B.S. in physics.

>>2289758
:^)

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a week ago vs today.

Ditching the animu for the moment....

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My shitty progress

>>2289977
you should ditch the soft brush

>>2290098
dont trace

>>2290101

and replace it with the normal?

what about the blending?

thanks

>>2290107
just use a hard round brush with 0 transparency from now on and you'll thank me later.

>>2286477
how long have you been drawing ? i see a good improvement mainly in your line work

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When I first started I was always confused as to "How" to draw. I had a method of drawing from reference that produced decent results but I always believed that it was cheating. It was methodical, almost scientific. I 'read' Loomis and Vippu and I didn't understand much of what they were explaining because their methodology was alien and different to my own. I was lost. Then I turned to the w/ic/i

It wasn't until I read Drawing on the Right side of the Brain that I finally understood everything. Every single exercise and skill that book taught, mirrored what I had learned on my own and what I had resented all this time. I had been doing 2+2+2+2+2 to get 10 without realizing that all Loomis and others were explaining was that 2x5=10.

My own breakthroughs

-Drawing from reference is always at the same difficulty (Doesn't matter if picture is upside down or right side up)
-If you keep doing something enough, it becomes automatic
-Everything starts from simplified forms
-Library and sensitivity to shapes increase
-Replace symbols with actual studied knowledge (Mental Library)
-You become better at placing landmarks/limbs. Your mind is telling you unconsciously what looks right or wrong
-If you want to draw from imagination you need to be able to draw from life. Can't copy something in front of you 1:1? how are you suppose to transfer something intangible from your imagination 1:1 as well?
-After learning how to copy 1:1, you begin 'pushing' the poses to convey the 'rhythm', 'force' and 'personality' of the pose to become truer than whats actually there
-You're now consciously DESIGNING and drawing from imagination
-Your style is now developing and visible
-References now become just that, references. Your drawings are your own.

Been drawing every single day and each spread is about a week apart from each other. It was shocking rereading Loomis and understanding everything. I honestly felt like I was dyslexic the first time reading it.

>>2286965
Is this referenced?

>>2290136
3 years drawing everyday thinking i'd magically improve without learning fundamentals. + about 4 months learning fundamentals but only started putting good hours in half way through last month (usually 6-8 hours a day)

>>2290806
You give me hope, anon. Thanks for that post.

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>>2290806

This is great. Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2_Mn-qRKjA

>>2288552
>talent
topkek

>>2288994
Though you've improved on your skill's I prefer the first design

>>2290806
Wow! Very Good!
You draw by how many hours a day?

>>2288994
The one on the left has better forms, and also rendered better, despite have 0 texture.

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Trying to become moore loose and aesthetic. Piece on the right is far from finished, ironing out some issues with anatonmy atm.

>>2289676
This is comfy af.

>>2290990

I like your new piece a lot more. Do you have a blog?

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>>2290990
>>2290806
>>2288613
Some real dead turners right here
Good job guys

>>2291025
fuck
i meant head

>>2291027
too late, im dead because of you.

>>2290990
This is nice. You have a blog?

>>2290990
you fucked your vaues a bit by lighting the girl closest too much, I would darken her legs. Also that scratchy texture on the clouds makes them look flat

>>2291025
>>2291027
It's real, anon. I want it

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>>2290990
left is better but not good, your anatomy is awful looking on the right.

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>>2291023
>>2291044
Yeah, rarely post tho because I rarely paint anymore.
http://containercore.tumblr.com/

>>2290854
/ic/ gave me hope, just giving back.
>>2290972
At least 4 hours a day
>>2291025
Thanks Anon
>>2290906
Thank you.

And going back to what Bojack said, its all true. If you're struggling with something and hate/dread doing it, (hands/anatomy/figure drawing/backgrounds) then thats an area of weakness you will have to overcome and it does become easier. It may sound strange but being able to see what you're terrible at is actually a blessing. It means you can see what you need to improve on.

>>2290976
It's a 3d model bruh.

>>2290847
do you work continuously or are the hours broken up ?

>>2290814

It is. I'm worse without reference though I've been trying to get better at it lately. I figured it was better to prioritize learning to draw from observation to see what would stick.

>>2291425
i'd say 3 hours is the most i can do in one sitting. i usually plan to do 1 hour + 30 mins work then take a 30 min or 1 hour break.

another thing is that i divide the day in 2, and aim for 4 hours in the first half, and another 4 later. makes it a bit easier to see if i'm falling behind.

i'm pretty new to putting in this much time so still getting used to it, but it's definitely getting easier and turning into a habit

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its a start

>>2291712
>study from a photo

>>2292168
>implying there's anything seriously wrong with that

>>2292210
m-muh life drawing depth

>>2292168

>learning to use studies for LEARNING PRACTICE
>shitposting on IC cause you're a shit artist
>shit

>you got worse
>if you visibly improved, it's because you're in a comfort zone now, which also means you got worse

kek, never change, /ic/.

>>2292369
Is the comfort zone just a boogeyman at this point? It seems like focusing on a certain thing even if you expand outside of thing is considered a comfort zone

>>2292375

nothing is your comfort zone if you're bad

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>>2292385
iktf

>>2292375
Considering I've seen people on /ic/ criticize even Kim Jung Gi for staying in his comfort zone, I think comfort zone now means anything you're better at than the person criticizing you.

>>2292420
Comfort zone isn't a bad thing. /ic/ is the epitome of slave morality. People trying to drag down others, because they will never reach their level themselves.

>>2292447

>Comfort zone isn't a bad thing

Yes it is. Are you serious? Do you have any idea what it's like to work as an artist? Comfort zone will wreck your ass if you never get out of it but most of the artist here are too shit to worry about working.

>>2292466
/ic/'s "Comfort Zone" has been in this context, established as someone having a focus they're comfortable with despite their expansions into fields outside of this false comfort zone.

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any advice on my art? ive been trying to fix my style but ive hit a block on what i need to fix i know anatomy is one thing but is there anything else?

>>2292466

/ic/ calls any degree of specialization or preference in subject matter comfort zone. It's like you need to be a jack of all trades in everything to escape it - but if you put all your eggs in different baskets people here just snicker because you haven't made crazy progress anywhere.

>>2292489

Kill yourself.

WOWIE!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU'RE VERY TALENTED FOR A HUMAN!!

>>2292492
not really advice but ok

>>2292491
IC doesn't know what they're talking about. Why are you listening to people on the internet? You're going to take the advice of some 19 year old in a community college who draws anime all day and thinks he's the best shit since bottled water?

Literally, you work on your foundations, specialize in a field, and then spread your wings once you get into that field. I was told that once you get in, you need to set yourself up for the next job. Be humble, above all else. No one wants to work with the dickcheese who thinks he's better than everyone around him, just be appreciative of the fact that you were able to make it into the company and do your work. In the meantime, you know that once the project is over, you're going to be unemployed, so prep for that time. Look to the person in front of you and the person behind you, start developing the skills needed to perform their jobs. Introduce yourself to what you aren't doing (EXAMPLE: modeler < concept artist > animator), you aren't going to have the luxuries you have now, so accept that and work on your art.

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>>2292495

What advice do you want? I'm not taking your shit-tier bait. Go to loomis, hogarth, and bridgman and study. Stop sucking air from the bottom of the tank you inbred chimp.

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>>2292498

wrong picture

>>2292502
i dont even know why youre calling it baiting when i was just asking for advice in a critique thread, i thought baiting was supposed to be obvious

>>2292510

see above

>>2292498

now get off ic and go work on your art

You already have a nice art style. I don't see much of a change in your style. Maybe one think you could try to do is different facial shapes or structures.

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Man... I must admit I've been really lazy in 2015. Quite nothing has changed since 2014.
Some folks talking about comfort zone. That's very confusing to me. I really love drawing like this. Any other style is not my taste. Will this attitude eventually cause bad impact on me? I really don't know about this. What's the boundary between muh-style and comfort zone?

Starting to learn my style better/

First one is from may, the second from last week/

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>>2292543
Here is the art work.

>>2292540
this is some good art, a nice detailed style though i prefer the 2014 linework, the lines now feel a little too thick but thats just my preference.

>>2292547
Yeah. I fully understand your opinion. Because well, I have similar feeling about this. Representing vivid detail has been my wet dream all the time; But recently I went a bit lazy. And started to smudge forms into thick lines. which is not good. thanks for your voice.

>>2292553

Your 2014 is better than your 2015 desu. The only good thing about 2015 is that little bit of rendering and texture that you added.

Both are still meh, your anatomy is sketchy as fuck. style =/= comfort zone, dumbass. comfort zone is only drawing things you have practiced on before, things you're familiar with, kinda like how people always draw humans but can't touch environments or asset design.

>>2292543

You are new to this with no foundation work. Stop thinking about developing your style so early on, you need to work on your foundations before you develop any sort style. Believe me, it will come with the work.

>>2292562
What do you mean by foundation work?

>>2292591

anatomy, line weight, perspective, composition, design, lighting, color, rendering, and form. Everything else comes after.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_elements_and_principles

>>2292597
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_elements_and_principles

Im actually pumping anatomy and color theory daily/

Perspective and line weight sound interesting/ Thank you

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>>2292599

how are you doing your anatomy? post work. I posted the marine so no one else here posts it.

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>>2292602
I made this the other day/ I'm already aware of the distortions and Iv'e been using the program to teach me through practice/ http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/

>>2292510
To put it simply, you're not worth the time. You're very weak in all areas, so it's off to the sticky and beginner thread for you.

>>2286477
The hell. Is that you, Russel?

>>2292609

it doesn't look like it's helping much. pixelovely is ok if you know your underneath but there's no bone/muscle images to study from. You're doing figure studies without understanding your figure.

Anyone who wants my entire anatomy folder, send me a request.

https://link.getsync.com/#f=Anatomy&sz=0&s=Z3UUZFFNGPRG57VBLN6NQIVK4HAOQ2Y6&i=CKL4LKZJTOBSNSQJCIHYH44UW72GY373S&p=CDEIIYML5SOH7HWEMUBFIDFQHRV5NJI2&e=1448425326

It's 18.6 gigs or so, make sure you have the space.

>>2292623
I just realized how weird it is to associate a name with art on /ic/. Like obviously everyone here has a name and a life and experiences. But it just seems like faceless people without identities that post. Sure, you recognize some people from their styles, but they never have names.

>>2292625
>https://link.getsync.com/#f=Anatomy&sz=0&s=Z3UUZFFNGPRG57VBLN6NQIVK4HAOQ2Y6&i=CKL4LKZJTOBSNSQJCIHYH44UW72GY373S&p=CDEIIYML5SOH7HWEMUBFIDFQHRV5NJI2&e=1448425326
Thank you very much/ Can you show me an example if you have it/ where skull knowledge application vs no skull application

>>2292540
>Some folks talking about comfort zone. That's very confusing to me. I really love drawing like this. Any other style is not my taste. Will this attitude eventually cause bad impact on me? I really don't know about this. What's the boundary between muh-style and comfort zone?
Its fine focusing on what you're good at and interested in, but tackling new challenges will make you more well-rounded.

One of the worst things is probably when artists omit things or change the composition (hand hiding, etc.) only because they don't want to leave their comfort zone.

>>2292630

what do you mean? someone who knows their anatomy vs someone who doesn't?

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When can I stop being shit, /ic/?

>>2292633
Yes

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>>2288060
>>2288509
Shit I'm jealous. You got a tumblr/twitter?

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>>2292635

here's a good example of what not to do. I don't really have any pictures of bad reference, that was the first image on google.

>>2292638
I'm saving it thank you/

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>>2292638

don't save it, it's bad.

use this instead

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>>2292646

or this


or anything from my folder.

>>2292646
Ok I appreciate the help/

Who is Beth?

>>2292644


For the two people downloading my folder, I'm gonna take out the 17 gig files since one of you is from AU, it's gonna take a while to send all the important stuff if I leave the end-game stuff in.

>>2292656
All fair man

>>2292658

I think you might need this

https://link.getsync.com/#f=Anatomy&sz=12E8&s=Z3UUZFFNGPRG57VBLN6NQIVK4HAOQ2Y6&i=CAJYWJWWUZDCLMOJCMYMC6NS6MARISKDW&p=CDEIIYML5SOH7HWEMUBFIDFQHRV5NJI2&e=1448427490

it's only 2 gigs without the videos.

>>2292662
On it

>>2292672

should be done now.

If you want some advanced stuff after you spend a few months on this, check out:

cgpeers.com/torrents.php?id=23922&torrentid=23786#torrent23786

There are also Schoolism classes I would recommend, but you can no longer find them online.

Schoolism - Advanced Lighting with Sam Nielson

Schoolism - Painting with Light and Color with Dice Tsutsumi and Robert Kondo

Schoolism - Designing with Color and Light with Nathan Fowkes

They're 30 gigs total and that's a bit too much of my internets.

>>2292489
>july
pretty good
>september #1
eh okay
>september #2
what

Literally brain problems.

>>2292696

CG peers registration is down until the 1st but i'll be studying the stuff you gave me and keep the link in a safe spot/ Ill look up the rest/ Thank a lot for the mother load of references/ My internet digging days are over for now/

>>2292637
Sorry to make you feel that way.
>nilefar.tumblr.com

>>2292540
blog?

>>2292540
Comfort zone is what you are comfortable with drawing. For some people, this is girls, robots, faces, furry stuff, etc.
Style is how you draw it.

>>2292878

yeah the brain problems one I didnt like but a friend said it was great so thank you for your honesty

>>2286477
All your faces are the same now

>>2288767
i like 7-13 better

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>>2286477
Im getting there yea?

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about 6 months apart

>>2295930

september was better

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>>2290102
I always wondered why traces were easy to pick up on back from lurking DA, and I finally realized why after I tried to start drawing earlier this week.
It's because of the linework, isn't it? Traced drawings have this thing about them, I guess. The linework doesn't have any logic to it because it's seldom a perfect trace using tracing tools, so you get distortions and waviness that wouldn't occur if the artist understood the physics of whatever it was they were drawing.

Anyway, I wasn't drawing six months ago. Here's the past three days though.

>>2290806
how many years did it take? ik you said 4hrs a day.

>>2295943
meh desu
>>2292634
later

depressed and unproductive. I've always wanted to draw, but I've just been terrible. Any tips for starting out?

>>2297120
sticky

>>2297124
shit didn't see it, will read

>>2297120
It took me 6 months of kinda doing it to make it a habit/

I draw everyday/

>>2286559
what's up with the rear bumper kek

>>2295952
apt analysis. my advice is try more gesture drawing. they may not look as pretty as your other sketches but you will have a better understanding of the shapes that you are drawing. for instance if you see a broom draw a line and a triangle instead of delving right into the details of the object. then you can develop your skills from there. keep a log of all of the combinations of shapes you see and focus on objects that may be harder to discern right off the bat. this will exercise your ability to not care so much and hang your reputation on every little thing you draw as well as help you grow as an artist. good luck nigga

>>2288509
Oh you are the somethibglookingass dude.

>>2295963
Pretty amazing for a year/10

>>2298015
but not really

>>2295944
aw man, I couldve sworn I was improving. thanks?

>>2292634
maybe in a few years of intense study

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From summer.

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From the 6th.

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The good thing about images repeating in Pixelovely is that I can check out how I drew the same pose at different times.

>fuck, too long, have to make them shorter
>shit, shit, too short
>ok there we go

>>2292489
July looks on
September is great
late September is a wtf for me

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plz

>>2298688
Not much progress but you got better at least

>>2299028

I actually like your second one the best.

>>2299285
201a?

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Something unusual I came up with today.
I will continue to practise my boxes and spheres
now but could I get some critique on this thing?

>>2299503

Seems pretty unrelated to the thread, why didn't you post in the beginner/drawthread/stylization thread?

>>2299512
no excuses, just my dumb ass, sorry.
I will stop bein so cranked up and hit the hay now.

>>2299533
post top right please?

>>2299541
http://mooffz.tumblr.com/post/132829090235/pencil-and-digital

>>2299592
You got interesting ideas anon. You're still shit, but I'd like to hope to see you again when you're better.

>>2299594
What are my flaws exactly?

>>2288511

Godsh0t is that you

>>2299596
Focusing on the last one, the poses and the foreshortening. The faces and head shapes, as well as how the two characters are layered and placed. I'm talking about the two in the foreground. That starman thing, looks sick though.

>>2299602
Thanks! I can see what you mean. I've been drawing the starman guy since I was a kid, so that's nice to hear.

>>2299592
i love your colors on the most recent image

>>2299613
Your colors are actually pretty tits too. I love how you use them and give a cool feel like a experimental comic book

>>2299614
Im thinking about adding shades but I'm afraid i could ruin it. Here's what I mean:
>>2299610
Sometimes i work them out and sometimes not.

>>2299623
I can see your strife. Sometimes you do it well, and other times... you tried. tbhfam I think you should try practicing your humans more and do more reference drawings from photos, or real life if you can. Try also figuring out how to portray depth without color. Your color theory seems good, but your shadowing and depth need work.

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Serious question here.

How long can you go without drawing before it becomes detrimental to progression?

I stopped drawing because I didnt have enough time to devote to it and I didnt want my art to skew badly, so I wanted to re-approach drawing with more clear priorities and goals.

Did I fuck up? Its been 3 months and all I do is doodle.

>>2299592
Won't focus on first two because it's early any you've improved.

2014.
Demon horns need definition and detail
Your wings are inconsistent and seem shifted
Hair needs detail and refining less rigid, it's hair it's allowed to flow
The left arm behind the body looks odd at this angle
Focus on a singular light source first before using another (for consistency)

2015 #1
Compared to grey, dark cats body seems shifted and looks detached from the rest of the peice
Dark cat hand is huge, try and define the fingers
Shoes seem much too bulky

2015 #2
It's a work in progress so I won't judge

>>2299638
Please do judge the last picture! It's been weeks since i touched it. Critique would help. Also thanks.

>>2299592

like the other anon said in kinder words, you can't draw. you aren't a good draughtsmen (yet)

BUT that is all stuff that is easily sorted by practicing the right things:

life drawing
still life drawing
figure drawing
human proportions and (eventually) anatomy
construction of complex 3d forms using primitives
and more

some stuff to think about. I bet you could be really good in a month or two if you practiced the right things.

The sticky has some actual useful stuff in it too.

>>2299642
I've been doing still life drawings. I will post a more recent picture in a few days.

>>2299640
I like the background what I mainly notice are the foreground characters

Orange
Legs seem stiff as if he's doing a jig focus on a lead leg to compliment the front view of the guy and reduce the angle of the other

Yellow
She seems to be kneeling try raising her to the guys level to simulate the same direction of motion
Her lead leg is much to bulky compared to the other
Her cape is very sharp and blocky. Smooth it and use a folding effect for detail and depth

>>2299636
its like riding a bike.
take a year off and if you were any good before you stopped it only takes about 10 drawings before you are grinding the rust off.

>>2286477
6 months! That's like two days for me.

>>2299960
OP's image is october to november ..

>>2300081
where is the improvement?

>>2300092
> losing hope for /ic/

>>2300092
what do you mean? isn't right was better?

>>2300151
He's being a dick by saying there is no improvement. There is, but it's not very much. It's also comparing a super early WIP to another WIP so it is hard to tell exactly how much has been learned.

>>2300151
definitely better, but the difference just looks like the right had more time spent on it.

>>2300151
nope, left looks much better. also angle vs front view

>>2300158
Yeah, you right, but the left was the earliest portrait what i can was found

>>2299599
sup senpai

>>2299317
That's because you like polished turds with no understanding of anatomy.

>>2301512

sorry massa I bow to your technical genius massa

If you seriously think the second one qualifies as a polished turd you really need to rethink what the fuck polishing means.
I just find the darker lines and presence of some shadows more appealing, anatomy notwithstanding. The anatomy is just barely more refined in later editions anyway, besides the head being a better size.

>>2299028
love these!! nice improvement, espec from 2 to 3. u can tell u got a much better grasp on proportions between the two, nice work

>>2290098
You somehow got worse.

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it's going slowly! i didn't paint much in 2014.

>>2292625
Expired link, can I get?

>>2301860
you're qt

>>2301860
sick work famalamadingdong

>>2288147
fuck the haters mane, that's great progress for a month in my book. keep it up.

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past 6 months progress. i've got a looong way to go

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It's not much because shitty work ethic. But I'm drawing more now so hopefully I'll make quick progress.

>>2301981
Wow, that looks really good anon! Lots of improvement. I especially like the 2 gray faces on the top right.

>>2301860
looks comfy

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i recently pickedup doing stuff again after 2 years of prettymuch nothing

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>>2300081

>>2289676
How did you do the effects?

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I just found out what gesture drawing was yesterday night, am i getting better?

>>2303856
is this b8?

>>2303873
[spoiler]i really just started

>>2301860
big jump from 2013 to 2014
any education in between or did you take it more seriously
and just work hard?

>>2291102
Why do you rarely paint if you finally got good? No interest or no time? Can I have your skills?

>>2292662
>https://link.getsync.com/#f=Anatomy&sz=12E8&s=Z3UUZFFNGPRG57VBLN6NQIVK4HAOQ2Y6&i=CAJYWJWWUZDCLMOJCMYMC6NS6MARISKDW&p=CDEIIYML5SOH7HWEMUBFIDFQHRV5NJI2&e=1448427490
anon, the link expired. :(

>>2298688
These are all poorly copied from a manga drawing book.

It's really bad man.. if you're going to use refs use real faces instead of stylized animu shit.

Apologise if this is the completely wrong thread but:

I am a total noob that will be throwing at least 2h a day into drawing once the New year starts. My plan of progress is to just use pencil + paper until i get the basics to a competant level. Then obviously into anatomy and forms/expressions etc

Do i then move onto digital drawing?

[spoiler]I really just want to draw JoJos and probably porn[/spoiler]

>>2301860
Hey, I follow your blog. I really love the blocky look of your shadows.

>>2304348
Digital is just another media, imo. There's no more of a good time to switch to digital as there is to switch to oil painting. Laissez-faire

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>>2290806
you're flying faggot! you're flying!

>>2298688
You could be a successful shoujo manga artist

>>2307153
since your stuff always looks on the verge of being good but his COMPLETE TRASH symbol drawing, are you just cheating out of your ass?

>>2303593
lol i almost responded. very clever.

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thoughts?

>>2295961
if you draw from reference the way you read posts, I got bad news for you...

>>2307804
D E E P

E

E

P

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god damn ive gotten better with anatomy but i feel like i was better at actual character design last year

>>2303856
You might be practicing wrong.
Dedicate at least 2 hours (probably more) to drawing hands everyday for a month or untill it clicks. This means drawing hands from every position so you can build a image data base in your head. Rinse and repeat until you become a master.

>>2289771
Some of your arms look weirdly placed in this one

>>2307804
that's actually a decent piece
cliched as fuck but at least appealing

>>2289771
What methods are you using figure-wise?

>>2308521
You aren't studying enough. Copy reference then put it away and draw from imagination. Repeat until you're happy with your imagination drawings.

>>2295952
It's mainly because you don't worry about line depth and shape when you're tracing. Even a perfect tracejob with great linework will always look 'wrong', and flat. It also tends to have things like fov which leads to all kinds of funky perspective errors.

Never trace. You can use whatever references you want, but never trace. It accomplishes nothing.

>>2303856
Look up the individual muscles of each component of your hand. You're drawing them as whole objects rather than multiple muscles connected together. You've got like, 10 strokes in your hand when you should have 100.

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>>2286477
my website is shit, barely anything on there atm

>>2308983
You should really spend some time learning design. Or just animal anatomy. Study lizards, crocodile, dinosaurs, other people's dragons etc. Because your looks like shit, and not even the painting aspect of it (though there is room for improvement there too).

>>2308983
Holy shit, no.
Try harder. Like, big time.
>fuck me

>>2309015
post some art

>>2308997
is it the anatomy thats too fucked up or just looks too generic? what specifically? and dont give me the ic answer its all shit study everything

>>2309024
It just looks like you have no idea what animals look like or what makes something look cool. Like you paint it realistically with a texture overlay and stuff, but if you look at real animals they look nothing like that. Look at a crocodile's teeth and see how they are visible when the mouth is shut. You don't just have the bottom teeth showing. He basically looks like a mix of what people thought dinosaurs looked like in the 1800's with vaguely human-ish features then is painted as if he is a fake red leather couch.

Have you ever studied the skull of any dinosaur? Or living reptile? Have you looked at what features modern animals have that make them interesting? Their scales don't look like the leathery thing you did. They may have patterns, spikes, horns, different types and sizes of scales, subtle colour shifts etc. So yeah it's generic and simply put, lacks anything of interest. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but the expression "polishing a turd" is relevant.

>>2309037
no worries i want to get better, glad u didnt give me a basic ic answer, thanks ill try and get working on that, i mostly study human anatomy i barely do animals cause im still not where i want to be with human anatomy yet. and i did thsi without ref which was not that smart considering i barely paint animals

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2 hours on the left, 3 hours on the right

10/27 - 12/7

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both from imagination

>>2309047
I like these. I know fuck all about art, but I do like them.

>>2309047
I like the left one better senpai. especially the colors.

>>2298688
I like the fourth one.

>>2309047
left is a mess but more creative. right is less of a mess but boring

>>2309047
Left has intregue and mystery behind it. Maybe I could fall in love with the characters. Maybe there's internal turmoil. My curiosity begs for more of the left.
The right is very plain. It looks kinda pretty, but not interesting, and not all that inviting.

Anyways the left is messy, but charming. The right is less charming and still kinda messy.

>>2309047
Somehow, the first one made me remeber Dark Souls.

>>2309047
You kinda goofed on the left one by using those ugly ass texture brushes in the sky but its way more interesting than the lake (river?).
Take the sky from right, turn it green and put it on the left one

also this >>2309273

>>2290806
sweet dude

>>2308983
last 2 look fucking disturbing man... shit!

>>2309766

You can tell he does gay anthro stuff. That rape smile...

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Fighting through medication and TBI's has got me to here so far. I hate using it as a handicap but some days i just cant make whats in my mind travel to my hand and other times i just forget fucking everything. I feel like im... progressing, though.

>>2292168
are you like, stupid?

>>2308954
You're stupid.

>>2292602
>anatomy
>"the marine"

>>2308793
thanks for the help, will do

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I wish 'get gud' would come faster.

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AM I PROGRESSING? CAN YOU TELL?

>>2304319
I wish I had a super high-def single-shot of the top right. The ammount of times I need to textually display that exact emotion is embarrassing.

>>2311566


Everyone has a 100,000 bad drawings in them, the quicker you get them out the better artist you will be

>>2292634
I really like your drawings anon, I tried to copy them and mine look like shit. Keep going.

>>2290806
Really amazing. I'm definitely at the place you were. I've always just figured it out myself without bothering to properly study. I'm starting to practice every day now however I have a job and something that resembles a social life. How the hell did you manage four hours a day? Are you at university?

>>2309046
Looks good, but basically no real progression other than the obvious time committed. Post something that you spent the same amount of time on.

>>2311174
I was about to say you got horribly worse but then I saw the newest date was the first one. Good progress anon (you're still symbol drawing though).

>>2311566
These are like kiddy doodles.

Stop doodling, draw things from life.

F U N D A M E N T A L S

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>>2311939
Yeah, I feel the same way. Basically, my progress has been getting to the point where I can actually work on something for more than an hour before giving up. Here's something else I did today.

>>2311936
not that person, but i'm currently doing 10 hours a day. i'm doing part time work + sacrificing 95% of my social life, which as an introvert i'm not finding it too rough to live without. (also have 3 years of university coming up to spend that whole time drawing)

if you want to get good fast you can't do it without sacrificing other things, be that sleep, social life, video games, money etc. and if you still don't have a lot of time, try to be smart with the time you have, making sure you're always pushing yourself to learn more

>>2311963
also remember that there are people working as artists 9 to 5. that's 8 hours a day they put in just on work. and these are the guys you need to catch up to and compete with for jobs

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i haven't been able to draw as much as i'd like lately because i've been focusing on getting back into the swing of classes/finals, but hopefully there's at least a small bit of improvement here.
might post again with looser and more stylized art later once i finish the piece i'm currently working on.

>>2308983
whats with the fuck me eyes these big fellas are giving me

>>2312193
Glad you at least ditched the dodge/burn looking thing you had going on in 2014.

>>2311996
kpop/10

>>2311969
Ah. I'm just drawing for fun tho.

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>>2311628
Posted mostly as a goof, managed to get some really insightful and thought provoking advice that makes me want to try harder. Internal turmoil.

>>2292540
Well style isn't just a fashion statement, it's something that you continuously work on just like the fundamentals and foundations, you're exaggerating in your own personal language based on your aesthetics. And for "muh-style" is when it's apparent that you made a mistake but refuse to take action on it excusing it that you purposely done it, comfort-zone is when you choose not to move further with what you're already doing and that you will stay in one place.

>>2298688
Oh no not those Chris hart how to draw mango books

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>>2312724
Rate my mango. Open to critique.

PS. Didn't read any how-to-mango books.

>>2300164
man stop memeing people so hard

the left pic couldn't even be considered as started

in the right pic his main mistake was using dark colors, high pinks and dirty grays. if he used a lower palette instead it'd be much pleasing to look at

it's really hard to make a face with believable colors. anyone can make an orange, green or purple human. in the second pic at least he tried to study color besides shape

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Showing my fucking terrible starting point, and current beginner-ness.

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before

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>>2314689
After

>>2314534
I see potential, memes aside pick up loomis.