Alternative Art/Stylization General

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As before requesting tips on how to paint the back.

>>2285586
just set this as my wallpaper. who's the artist?

I know the OP pic doesn't really matter, but was that really the best one that could have been used? This one especially was pretty damn nice :
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>>2285590
mikufag shitposts and everyone goes-
AYY LMAO

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big chubby muscles are confusing but i feel like i'm getting somewhere

>>2285588
>let me include just a tiny bit of the spiral of the notebook so I can let people know I did this tradishonanally

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reposting

>>2285616
Or maybe, just maybe the background hasn't been painted yet like the post states. Congratulations you are the smartest guy on /ic/

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I'll try to finish this today...

CANCER THREAD ACTIVATED

>>2285634
cute

>>2285625
yet another loli destroying a city

>>2285643
this, your earlier stuff used to be at least kind of interesting, but now it's all just borderline loli fetish porn

>>2285649
He's just perfecting his loli destroyer giant art.
Repetition is the mother of all learning.

>>2285649
You say that like it's not a worthy goal?

>>2285634
I like the way you rendered the skin

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Still trying. Still failing, but still trying.

>>2285745
You inking isn't very consistent lighting-wise. Look at which planes on the sleeve are inked, then find common planes elsewhere in the image like on her face and neck and stuff and you see they aren't in shadow. Keep your light source consistent! Common plane=common value. I also think you would do well to simplify the shadow shapes more but that's largely a taste thing I suppose. Her shoulders are also super wide for a chick and the lapels on her jacket look rather odd.

>>2285760

That's a man, baby.

Deh see me tracin
Deh hatin

I be tracin tracin
I be copyin tracin

>>2285765
The filename may imply it is a man, but the drawing is clearly a woman.

>>2285776
It's clearly a dude, the filename confirm it as well.

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>>2285760
Yeah when I zoomed out I could see the light and shadow weren't consistent. I messed with it some more, looking at maybe having hatching along with it. I think I want some element of hatching, but not too much. I think simpler shadow shapes will actually work better though, so I'll have to try that on the next one. And well, the character is supposed to be Leon Belmont so I didn't design his jacket, although I think the lapels on the real design look really cool, I just suck.
This is really hard, trying to consciously develop a style. It's like trying to invent a language, and you have to make up all these rules for every scenario. I'm feeling sort of discouraged about it today.

>>2285634
distance between pelvis and rib cage is too short

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>>2285789
Well looking at pictures of hte original character I see those lapels are pretty distinctive, so maybe play them up a bit? I did a quick paintover. I don't do inking or comic stuff at all so it might be a bit crude, but I tried to capture hte character a bit more and make him more masculine. Changing hte hair to be a bit more in stands and that messy look in it helps make it more of a guy's haircut, and then chiseling in the stronger eyebrows and facial structure pushes that further, plus the manly giant lapels. Also tried to balance hte black values throughout the image better.

Not the only way to approach it, but one way to solve some of the issues.

Also to use your style/language analogy...language doesn't develop overnight. It's the result of centuries of being used, absorbing pieces of other languages, and then evolving on its own organically. This is how a language can be a rich thing of beauty. Compare that to Esperanto where it is faked in a day, and you get something that never catches on and lacks the same interest and poetry within it. Don't force a style, don't expect it to happen overnight. And while languages have "rules" they also break those rules all the time (slang, local dialects, expressions, etc), that's how they grow and develop.

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Finishing the lines on this character drawing.

What tools/tablet do you use often to draw?
I'm really curious about what are your preferences.
I personally love drawing with markers and my intuos 4L.

>>2285625
Not as good as some of your other stuff. Rendering seems a bit lazy and it's lacking your usual scale, though that's more of a design choice I guess. The building in her panty band isn't really reading that well either, it kinda looks like she bent down, put it under there and then stood up? I dunno, seems off.

>>2285811
Thanks, that looks way better than what I did. I know you basically said Rome wasn't built in a day but I feel like this is never going to happen for me. I've been at this way too long to still be struggling with this. I'm going to be mediocre for fucking ever. Thanks for trying to help me anyway though.

>>2285828
Man I feel the same way many days. But I find it is good to ground yourself sometimes and take a proper look at things. How long have you actually been at it? You say way too long. But I'm guessing what, maybe 5 or 6 years max? Say it's even more, say 10 years of study and work. Well even if you did 10 years, you still have another several decades (at least) left to keep working at it. Even if you only improve slowly that's a ton of time. Progress doesn't happen in a linear way anyhow. You sometimes gotta keep flatlining it for a while before jumping up to a much higher level.

I've been doing better with this stuff by trying to avoid comparing myself to others too much. And try to reevaluate what you want with your art. Is technical skill the end goal? Do we admire Rembrandt purely for his skill? No, that's only a part of it. It's the emotion and human spirit he can capture that's truly amazing. Same goes for any great artist really, it is not just the skill we admire, it's what they are saying. And while sometimes you need that skill to be able to properly say what you want, it should always be a means to an end rather than an end in itself. I don't think many people today seem to fully comprehend that. That's why the work in the ARC competitions and stuff always feels like utter crap even if some of it from a technical standpoint is pretty good.

>>2285812
Looks really nice, though I am a bit confused by the legs. Why is one bare? And why does only one have a kneepad thingy? Considering she's wearing a winter jacket she'd probably have snowpants or something on too. Not really any need for a single kneepad.

>>2285838
Actually, people who do a lot of single-knee kneeling, like soldiers, tend to wear a kneepad only on their down knee to minimize clutter while still being comfortable.

>>2285836
I've been trying to get good enough to go pro since I was in middle school, and I've been selling art and showing portfolios for just over 10 years. For the past 3 years I've gotten the same response, solid work but no style, no voice. The fact that it looked to you like I haven't been at it for more than 5 years just shows how much of a joke I still am. I just wanted to draw comics, I just want a job where I can do art and live off of it, but I just. Fuck. I guess I just can't do this today.

>>2285812
At first glance, I thought that was Lucca from Chrono Trigger. I dig it though.

>>2285857
>For the past 3 years I've gotten the same response, solid work but no style, no voice.

The worst kind of limbo. Not good enough to get recognition, but not shit enough to be made fun of. At that point, you really just have to start studying other artists you like and dissecting why their work is appealing to you so you can incorporate it into your own stuff.

>>2285857
I think your work has plenty of style. Not the guy who wrote >>2285836, but he even said "don't compare yourself to others." Da Vinci tossed countless drawings into the fire because he wasn't satisfied with them. Your fundamentals are pretty damn good, you just need a tiny push. You have any examples of colored work?

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>>2285886
Yeah, that's what I'm supposed to be doing now. I made an influence map and everything, for the first time ever. The hardest part is this shadow thing. You used the shadow areas perfectly in your paintover, the way I think I want, yet my tendency for most of my life has been to use lines, and in those moments where something of mine seems to spark interest in someone, it's usually just linework. But I love the look of those heavy shadows and stark contrast, I can remember specific instances of things like that jumping out at me all the way back to childhood, even down to loving black and white spotted cats and cows and border collies. I don't understand how I could visually love this look yet be totally unable to visualize things that way well enough to draw them and execute it.
>>2285889
Thanks anon, dunno if I agree though. I'm just now delving into color too, still no idea what I'm doing there, whether to go cell shading or painting or what. I'm experimenting with this.

>>2285901
Oh no no. I'm not the anon who made the edit. I just understand the situation you're in with your art. It's something I'm working on myself. I made a list of artists who's work I really like and made a influence folder with their work to study from. Didn't mean to confuse.

>>2285912
Ah, well either way it's still just confusing and frustrating. When I look at other artists and how they went about developing a style, it seems like they knew a thing they liked visually and they just started using it. Isn't that basically what you're doing, just picking the things you like in your influential artists' work and incorporating it? I've been trying for a while, like years, to do this shadow thing but it never seems to work. I don't know what to do about it. Should I just chose different artists as my influence or should I keep fighting for this element that I can't seem to wrap my head around?

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I wanted to get into comics a bit, so this is the first one I made. How horrible is it? Crit?

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Ohaiou

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wip

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>>2285608
>mirin
>>2285812
cool.

gore doodle.

>>2286018
I love these. The guy on the left has some wonky looking anatomy in his arms, even considering the stylization. It's the way the muscles wrap down the forearm that's mostly getting to me. Other than that I think they look great.

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Any suggengions on What I need to improve or work on?

>>2286027
>after all that mah style BS
>he gets rid of the furcoat.
maximum kek.

>>2286059
> >after all that mah style BS

What? And the furcoat was always supposed to be a variant, I'm making two versions with and without it.

>>2286050
You probably hear this alot, but sticky

>>2285803
Thanks, gonna try to fix that, I should have looked for some reference.

>>2286027
I honestly don't understand this guy. Actually there's a few guys lately who post their work, it seems like not for actual critique, but as a dare. Like all they want is for someone to just try and tell them there's something wrong with it, and then they start a huge fight about it. If you're gonna deflect everything that people tell you is wrong with it, why even keep posting here? I don't understand it. I know I probably shouldn't even bring it up but I get to a point where I'm so damn confused.

>>2285857
Wanting to go pro since middle school means very little. Most middle schoolers lack the knowledge or resources to fully go at it. And even if you DO get the right resources and work hard it doesn't mean anything will come from it because your brain hasn't fully developed. If you look at old masters even the most talented ones with the best training from age 11 only start to get really good in their early/mid 20's.

I assumed 5 or 6 years because most of the board is under 22, and not many people get into art before their late teens. Most people on this board only have a couple years under their belt.

All that being said, just chill out man. Take some time to do some personal work. Take a break from looking at other people's artwork. Go outside, take a walk each day. Meditate. Figure out what you want to do with your art exactly (or a direction you want to go). Don't do fanart or think about what artist X would be doing if he were doing this same drawing. Do what you want, and trust your gut. Try to step out of your comfort zone and learn new things--do some exercises you haven't done before, try some new media and techniques, try reading some books etc. Don't think about what other people will think about things. It can take decades to develop a style fully. You may see other people around you getting some distinct style super fast--don't compare yourself or worry. Most of people who develop a strong style early on stagnate early too anyhow. Take a look at the work you did one or two years ago--can you see improvement? If yes, then that's all that matters. If no, then figure out why you haven't been improving and what you need to do to improve again.

Worst case scenario just accept you are having a bad day and see how you are tomorrow. Nothing wrong with going through a slump or three. Sometimes taking a break for a bit from art can be useful too.

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>>2286086
> Like all they want is for someone to just try and tell them there's something wrong with it, and then they start a huge fight about it.

Well, except I'm not the guy who was discussing in the last thread. My last post in it was literally when I posted the first WIP. I didn't participate in the "fight" about the shading at all.

>>2286108
Also if you really have some extreme self confidence issues or other issues surrounding your art, it's worth going to therapy. I go weekly and it's helped a lot with stuff. Despite outward signs being positive (I've won awards for my art, been published in some big things, worked on lots of freelance stuff, had top pros say very encouraging things etc.) I still have a lot of insecurities and issues surrounding my artwork, but I'm getting better.

>>2286109
Everyone knows it's you. There's no going back after the last few tantrums.

>>2286119
At this point I'm almost beginning to think you're samefagging and fakefagging all those kind of conversations and posts like >>2285545 to then accuse me of saying all that. You sure aren't getting tired, I'm pretty sure all that began like 3 weeks ago.

>>2286115
>Despite outward signs being positive (I've won awards for my art, been published in some big things, worked on lots of freelance stuff, had top pros say very encouraging things etc.) I still have a lot of insecurities and issues surrounding my artwork
Man we're pretty much in the same shoes there. Maybe that's partly why I get like this, I feel like there's a lot of people looking for something great from me and I can't deliver. I also really need to start getting work or something stable, my current situation isn't going to be viable much longer, it practically isn't now. The pressure from these things gets to me. My doctor did write me a referral for a therapist, I thought I might not need it but I might take it up after all. Thanks anon, it's nice to have someone to hash out this sort of thing with.

>>2285987
From now on, I refuse to redline images posted by retards who don't know how to resize.

>>2286129
Sorry, but no, you're just really bad at pretending to not be yourself.

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>>2286142
Oh well, if you say so. Why am I even answering that bait anyway. Good night.

>>2286134
I'm sorry anon, but can you tell me what problems you have with it? Also, how can I resize this stuff from now on ?

>>2286130
Yeah man, sounds pretty similar. I did freelance for a while but kind of stopped a couple times due to some rather intense depressions and insecurities. I got a remote studio job but just left that like a month ago and now I have no work, and feel the financial pressure to start getting some soon again.

Seriously the best things for me have been therapy and also I got off facebook and tried to stop comparing myself to others as much in a negative way (facebook is really bad for that). It's one thing to look at someone and say "wow they're incredible, what an inspiration! Good for them!" and another to look and say "I will never be that good, I am destined to be mediocre. Why am I not as good as they were at my age? Why after X years am I not as good as they were after X years?".

There's a few artists' lives I think about often. Rockwell, who was wracked with insecurities his entire life even when he was the most famous artist in America and was constantly afraid of running out of ideas or failing his next painting and worked and worried so much that he was a terrible father and husband. FX Leyendecker who lived in his brother JC's shadow his entire life and despite being an incredible artist led a horribly depressed life and eventually succumbed to alcohol and drugs at an early age. And Walter Everett, one of hte most talented illustrators of his time who constantly missed deadlines from not being happy enough to submit his art to his directors, and then his entire family left him because he became so obsessed with art that he ignored them and didn't pay rent and stuff. later in his life he quit illustration and burned most of his life's work. I look at their lives as a warning of what happens when you don't get your mental health and outlook in check properly. I think most of it stems from feelings of inadequacy and self esteem.

>>2285634
is that a bullet wound on her stomach or is that a belly button?

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Can i be the next mikufag?
I have no understanding of perspective or anatomy do you guys think i have the potential?

>>2286241
Damn man, I didn't know that about any of those guys. Fuck, yeah I need to take a step back and not fall into that line of thinking. I really want to find some studio work, though. I thought if I did, besides just helping out financially, maybe having steady work would help me keep my mind from wandering into those thoughts of insecurity, and I've often been told having deadlines forces you to be inventive and that can lead to developing a style. I'm stressing because I feel like if I can't do something with style first, I'm never gonna get a studio job. Kind of a vicious cycle.

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>>2286247

>>2286253
I don't have much experience with studios so can't really help with that to be honest. The experience I have had though (with one studio job and then various freelance) was that they didn't give a shit about my style. They basically had a vision and wanted me to be flexible enough to work to that style. It's pretty soul crushing to work on stuff that isn't to my taste, or I can tell is garbage like when they just want bigger boobs and more rimlights and stuff, or they just say "make it more realistic" and you start to question why you are even bothering to paint when they would be happy with a lazy photobash. I've heard second hand stuff too about even big names like Zedig, who has a super distinct style, not being allowed to do his own thing on projects.

So maybe the style thing is not as big an issue as you think in terms of getting work. I would expect the top three things for getting a studio job are: overall technical skill/knowledge (good portfolio proves this), ability to work quickly and consistently (slight gamble when hiring an unknown, but lots of experience indicates they are good at this), and a good personality that is nice to work with in teams (referrals/connections are good for proving this).

>>2286264
Maybe it's good that style upfront doesn't seem to matter, at least that's one less thing to worry about on my end, since it's just going to take time to develop no matter what. I figure it would get pretty bad after a while but I think I need that experience in a weird way. I just need to figure out a workflow then, so i can jam out some shit for a portfolio and go in. I have some friends working at one place so at least I can get a recommendation there, guess I'll be on my own with the others, but I have some work experience under my belt, hopefully that'll give me some credibility. Thanks for the tips, anon, this is seriously helping me more than you know.

>>2286247
What's stopping you? Get a trip and apply today.

>>2286264
Hey, one more question though...
Since you were talking about how they just kind of want you to be able to do whatever they need... should I like... I mean should I just make some tacky, over the top shit with like saturated colors and loud rimlights and shit and just throw that shit together? I mean if I just need the job. Or should I actually put effort into honing and demonstrating my craft in my portfolio. It might be better for me to make a really good portfolio like that after I have a job and some financial stability, since I figure it'll take a while. And if I'm not likely to be putting heart and soul into the work I'd be doing for them anyway..? Or is that just the wrong mentality altogether?

>>2286293
>What's stopping you?
commitment

>>2286247
mikufag is better tho

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Ugh

>>2286274
Glad it helps.

>>2286299
Hm, that's the type of question that I think is best answered by yourself. You know whether you would be able to put up with that.

Personally, I can't man. I couldn't stand a job where I was doing stuff that wasn't honest with myself. There's not much joy in feeling more like someone else's wrist than an artist.

Another thing to consider is that the type of work you do will bring in more of that work. So if you fill a portfolio with rimlights and strong colours--guess what, you will get a job doing that. And then you will spend all day making more pieces like that. And after some time, say a few months or a year, you will look back and see that's all you did and all you have to show. But if you don't want to do that work you need to show something else.

There is also the danger of losing your passion for art. If you spend all day doing stuff you hate you will start to associate that with art in general. What you love to do becomes something you despise. That's what has happened with me, where I begin to hate that work, then I feel like crap and in my time off I don't even do much of my own painting anymore or develop my own pieces. In my opinion, at least in my case, I think it is best to focus on my own work and do my own thing, then hopefully I will find clients that like it and ask for more of it. The whole reason I got into art as a career was because I love art and would rather it than some office job I hate. If I take on art jobs I hate then what's the difference? (Except art jobs pay shittier than other jobs I can do) Some people recommend getting a non-art part time job instead of taking on shitty art jobs so you don't lose passion.

Now all that being said, it is possible to take on some shitty job and pump out commercial crap while developing your own stuff on the side. Some people can do it and have done it successfully. I can't. I would consider carefully whether you think you can do it or not before jumping in.

>>2286322
Great points, definitely gets to the heart of the matter. I have worked some art jobs I wasn't 100% in love with before, but they seemed to have fueled my passion to work on my own stuff rather than draining me, and even though I quit them I learned some valuable skills that I still use. Even so, one of those jobs I quit specifically because I couldn't use any of what I was doing for them in my portfolio and I realized what a trap it would become. So with that in mind, I'll do the best I can to keep my artistic integrity and put my best foot forward in my portfolio. Taking on a job for the experience isn't going to be worth it to me if I can't build on it, so I better make sure I land a job with real potential. At least if I can, you never know what I may get stuck with but I'll go at it with an "aim for the moon, land in the stars" attitude. Again, thanks man, you've given me a lot to think about.

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Kinda relearning the anatomy and facial features

Critique?

>>2286318
Don't be too discouraged , anon. In seeing a fair level of construction and form here!
Check the beginner thread, there are many people worse than you.
However the head does seem a bit flatter than the rest of the body and the legs are very wrong, with the upper half of them being longer than the lower half, also you didn't draw the feet

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>>2285608
Lurk /fit/ for references.

>>2286342
From the first and second figure I see, I can tell that you obviously know a little bit about a anatomy, however, that doesnt stop it from being very wrong
All the figures suffer from being very flat and having lots of symbol drawing in them.
The first drawing shows some level of competency with anatomy, but the figure is very flat. The head is flat and also seems to be missing half its skull.
The second figure has a very skinny neck and seems to be suffering from some muscle atrophy .
And the head at the bottom is flat and drawn with a lot of symbols.
Also you seem to be avoiding hands a lot. Don't do that
Over all there is a lot of basic mistakes here , I would recommend checking out keys to drawing and more and more figure/life drawings .

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After taking the better part of a year off, I'm trying to re-adjust to my tablet. So just a simple thing.

Her legs are ridiculously long and any time I try to make them smaller she just looks...stumpy. lol. Any concrit/redline would be appreciated.

>>2286365
arm too wide, upper arm small, hand too large, elbow not pointy enough, complete lack of anatomy on it, which makes me suspect your a grill.
her skirt is see-through, would not let my daughter out like that.

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>>2286344
I didn't draw feet because I can't into the idea of how.

>>2285586
Miku, you honestly draw much better on paper. Im going to start doing that too.

>>2286394
that was 2 years ago tho

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>>2286365
I got you senpai
Your torso was too long, as well as the legs, so when you shortened the legs they looked stumpy in comparison to her torso. Also she has a serious case of man-hands goin on

>>2286402
lmfao whoops, her forearms are way too short in my redline. but u get the general idea

>>2286390
Honestly those feet are pretty bad, but you learn about drawing feet from tutorials, life, anatomy studies, and Fuck loads of drawing

>>2286365
torso's toooooo long

>>2286390
The creases in the clothes are random and make no sense, you've just arbitrarily drawn in some overlapping lines. I'd make an effort to study fabric and tension if I were you.

>>2286410
Sure.

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>>2286390
I was gonna just do a redline for the feet but then I got distracted by your weird clothing folds. Don't just draw random overlapping marks! Really think about how the cloth drapes over the body, and how thick the cloth is. Peri's pjs look paper thin bc of the way you drew folds.
Also I know d/ic/ks hate sycra but his video on feet is super informative.
Anyway this is a super cute peridot desu

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>>2286413
>>2286410
Okay.

>>2286362
Thanks anon for taking the time to critique, much appreciated, I've been struggling with my drawings being flat which is why I went back to learning the anatomy.
Thanks for pointing me into a direction

>>2286416
I'm pretty autistic, what are you trying to convey with this gif

>>2286405
Such a fucking useless comment holy shit

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>>2286421
That I was more ashamed about structure and lack of feet from my current picture but got roasted for another.

>>2286402

>makes redline
>completely fucks up face
>fails to understand the pose of the original
>also fucks up back leg

You're too shit to redline. Stop.

>>2286428
s-sorry

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>>2286365
follow the body tilt shown here >>2286402

>>2286453
i always collect your redlines

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Was not horribly pleased with how this was going, so I saved what I liked.
Need to do more colour studies.

>>2286539
Looks good to me. Pretty boring compositionally but it's a nice piece, good job.

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through practice will it be possible to get straight lines when inking?

>>2285812
do you have blog senpai

>>2286453
Finally someone fixed that arm, good redline sir.

>>2286539
Quite nice man. The nose looks rather strange with the double cast shadows each with aline around them, and the bridge of the nose feels a bit long too.

I'm not sure why you would need two hands to operate a device like that. Presumably there would be a safety feature like on a lighter or something where you need to hold a sliding thing forward while squeezing a trigger or something so there are two things needed to turn it on but it can be done with a single hand. I actually like the look of the two hands and a cord, but it isn't that practical when you take a second and start to think it over. The cord too doesn't hang naturally. Unless it is super stiff (why would it be?).

>>2286588
nice work, blog?

>>2286644
wasnt funny the first time.

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help

What shit is populsr with the western auditory lately?
OPM doesn't seem to fly as good on DA as it does on Pixiv.

>>2286431
at least he tried

>>2286431
lmfao I liked how everyone ignored you. If you know you can do better then do so.

>>2286705
your redline sucks and you're in no position to critique others, dumbfuck

>>2286705
lmfao i liked how people took a shit on your redline

>>2286698
Head is fucked up the rest is ok-ish

>>2286700
furry

>>2286700
your mom

>>2286710

lmfao why are you so angry. I'm not redline guy btw.

>>2286728
you sound like him. kill yourself

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>>2286786
Cheer up. Maybe 1 day you'll get a redline by yours truly.

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Surprise, it's me, redline guy, who isn't any of these other anons.
>>2286786
Sorry 4 trying to be helpful. next time I see your art I definitely won't redline it~

>>2286799
I haven't posted my art yet though. crazy much?

>>2286796
whatever you say dude, :^)

Can you morons stop creating drama revolving shit artists.

>>2286824
You're not helping.

>>2286824

I'm sorry I'll stop talking about you.

>>2286831
>>2286833
You know there's a beginner last month that tripfags himself as manic and he samefags the shit outta /ic/, constantly samefagging, praising and shitting on his own art.

Nobody gives a fuck about him and nobody remembered him because his art is realistically shit.

>>2286838
Never heard of him. You must be him and therefore a shit artist.

>>2286838
>Nobody gives a fuck about him and nobody remembered him
Looks like you do, that means you must be him.

>>2286851
>>2286849
fuck off newfags

>>2286863
I've been here before the sticky was made. I'm literally a forefather; suggest you know where you stand, kid.

>>2286938
Move out the way, grandpa

>>2286938
Lefty? lel nigga ur 30 what the fuck ur doing here u 2 old for this shit mang

>>2286938
>ending a post with ,kid

lmao

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Trying to get something together to submit to Top Cow Comics. This is going to be inked so don't jump on me about the values. Crits appreciated. sorry about the image size

>>2286964
Top Cow having another talent search contest?

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Study from Sakamoto's Innocent.

>>2286943
>u 2 old for this good
this isn't sports and im sure he doesn't have arthritis yet

>>2287006
>misunderstanding this badly

>>2286994
Firez I just wish you would leave polishing things alone and nail down your construction. You're already good at rendering and making things look clean and polished but you keep laying this nice surface over terribly flawed drawings and I have no words for how much it frustrates me about you.

>>2286539

looks like Nina Purpleton

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a quicky...

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>>2287029
Better?

I swear I'm trying.

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>>2287120
Original

>>2286964
is that 2 a4 papers combined to make an a3?

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>>2287120
>>2287122
>directly trace an another unique face
>still makes the same goddamn face
how do you even work this magic

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>>2286938

And I'm the anon that made the thread with the picture of the goose screaming, asking for a mod to change the sticky

I also wrote most of the boilerplate text for the anime threads. The threads used to be way better and there was more solidarity. Teal posted and redlined and gave hope to new people maybe if they practiced linear perspective enough it would help them with constructive figure invention and then maybe then better stylized art.

Then he got too popular and someone with a very mean streak drug his life until he just gave up and disengaged. He'll post a random thing on /co/ and that's it. I guess Kyle took up the goat of departure role after that but even then there was less skulduggery off-site by people with ill intent or otherwise. Crossboarders from /a/ and /pol/ and shit.

But you know, whatever. I was a cross boarder from /v/ around 2010-2011 and I started coming here because I had an earnest interest not only in learning digital art methods but also art history. I have /ic/ to thank for like 80% of my matured/current taste in art. I wouldn't never have discovered the likes of Beksinski, Barlowe, Kieth Thompson, KJG, Terada, etc. /ic/ and /g/ are the only boards I go to solidly since 2012.

Yeah, the main vibe of the board used to be euro-centric digital painting and concept art. Anime was openly mocked and people were derided for posting it. Guys here were tough and assholish as shit but under that posturing they really cared about art and making good pictures and wanted to help those who wanted to put the work in.

Then more crossboarders started pouring in with the rise in popularity what with tumblr and patreon and everyone just shits on each other or sockpuppets up a hurricane in a teacup. Shit is dumb anymore, man. I can't stand this board anymore because there's just so much offsite plotting and samefaggotry bullshit.
I just keep coming here for gracch, sundry adams, maybe, and thdark, they are OG niggas

>>2286994
ahah! Holy shit that tiny nostril!

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>>2286994
How tall is her forehead?
Why are her eye sockets so much bigger than her eyes? I mean, the eyebrows are supposed to be located on the brow ridge (the supraorbital ridge) that is the top of the eye sockets... I mean... and the nose, and just... just try to imagine a skull underneath that face.

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>>2287120
>>2287122
it's hard to pinpoint one thing, your alignments in general are just off.
red for direction, green is some perceived structure, blue are some guidelines for comparison as well as perspective.
in short, the structure is all over the place.

this happens with your other stuff too,

>>2287153
Thanks, that is really helpful.

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I tried another one today. I left out the shadow shapes for now in favor of just trying things out in terms of gesture and whatnot. I think this one turned out way better than the other Juste head I drew.

>>2287120
You really gotta study some basic breakdowns. How to draw convincing spheres and cylinders, turned in space and in perspective. You really do need to get solid with that. Then you'll be able to build figures out of those shapes and align things properly. If you really are trying, and really do want to get better, that's what you need to do, and I wouldn't tell you this if I hadn't done it myself.

>>2287012
misunderstanding what? you can't enjoy anime past 30?

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h-how do i make my wife not cross-eyed? ;__;

>>2287177
why is he whipping the floor?

>>2287192
Spider.

>>2287177
a woman? then it looks fine i'd say.
for men draw smaller eyes

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>>2287177
I did some things with his neck, it wasn't well defined.
>>2287202
No, he's a guy, although some of his official art would have anyone believe otherwise. Not to deflect critique but I really like how his face turned out so, I don't think I'd change it in this case.

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>>2287191
by not drawing her crosseyed? what else is there to say?

>>2287203
Yeah nah Castlevania guys are super effeminate so you're in the clear.

>>2287218
Thanks anon, I did try to make him look somewhat more masculine while trying to stay fairly true to his features from the official art... I'm so jealous of that chick, she does beautiful fuckin work, even if she does make guys look like borderline reverse traps.

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>>2286714
fixed?

>>2287269
umm.... anon?

>>2287269
nah, read the fucking sticky or move to the beginner thread

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>>2287269
>blatant copies

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how can I improve this?

>>2287337
Dem hands and dem lineweights, son

>>2287337
can someone tell me if the tits in the right position?
im confused if its the tits are too saggy or the neck is too long

she needs a nose

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>>2287337
Eyes are up too high, learn more proportions.

>>2287325
None of them are copies, friend.

>>2287322
Umm... what?

>>2287323
Rude.

>>2286540
Yeah, composition is definitely lacking, but thank you!
>>2286639
Thanks, the shadow lines on the nose is a valid point, part of it comes from not adjusting the linework during colouring when I should have. As for the nose being long, her head is angled down slightly, and at least to me it looks alright.
Yeah the device is completely impractical, no real logic behind it, but it was fun to draw.
>>2287112
From Gundam? Always thought she looked pretty interesting, so thanks!

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niggers

>>2286588
God, i hope so

I'm sorta in the same boat.

Take it all in stride, I guess.

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>>2287180
;_;

Thanks and sorry I will apply myself even more.

>>2287417
>that balance
>that stroke order
>that marker
Please don't write japanese ever again.

>>2287337
>>2287344
Disagree, the eyes are not too high. The linework is shaky and inconsistent. Practise drawing clothing folds and hair. Proportions are all over the place.

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>>2287427
Make me

>>2287269
oh my god

>>2285812
your lines give me a katsuhiro otomo/moebius kind of vibe, pls post blog

>>2286608
>>2287434
Sure : thdark.tumblr.com
>katsuhiro otomo/moebius kind of vibe
Two of my favourite artists, that's awesome.

>>2287429
How do you get non shaky and consistent lineart with traditional?

>>2287443
My advice is to watch other professional artists lineart and practise yourself. ALOT. After a while, you'll get more confident and the shakiness won't happen.

>>2287439
what kind of meme faces have you made in /v/ and why are you denying you made those

>>2287451
Huh? Not sure what you mean, I made a couple faces a few years back, but I don't recall denying it.

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I made this low resolution korra out of a drawing and I'm trying to keep it as close as the original style as I can. What do you guys think? Should I keep working on the shadows? Is the right leg too wonky?

>>2287470
what kind of faces?
are you that guy that made those /v/ rage comics?
you've improved a lot albeit your expressions are stiffer

>>2287480
You're probably thinking of 3-Angled-Blue, he did those comics back in the day.
I only did a few reaction images in the same vein, though they weren't as good as his stuff.

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Any of you guys have experience with character sheets? Any tips you picked up from doing them? I've never done them before and it's uh really different from what I'm used to doing.

>>2286921
I like the colors on this

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made some changes, proportions are a lot closer to what i think i want

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>>2287475
Looks pretty good honestly, but you made some anatomy mistakes in the sketching phase. I'd recommened really nailing the figure in the early stages before moving on to inking/ colouring. Be sure to use reference if need be. Try do a page of pic related and see where that gets you, google anything you don't understand.

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I realized in HS that i liked drawing in this style, however i need to know more about planes of the face &/ shadow work to really get gud with it.
Shadows im decent
but planes are sucking right now. Anyone know good tutorials/drills for learning them?

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Am i doing it right?

>>2285920

well i don't see a point or a punchline in it so thats a problem.

>>2287648
She's gonna eat the dude.

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>>2285920
Post it bigger for god's sake.

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When do I get to be Kyle?
wip

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>>2287754
why

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>>2287659

>>2285920
Nice cotrast with left and the right side.

just draw and get better D:

You can try reading McCloud's books, or posts from Eddie Campbell blogs or find make mistakes post on jason latour tumblr or many other places that deal with comic storytelling.

>>2287561

Thank you, I'll practice more.

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8 year old drawing from when I was 15. I went to architecture school and learned some fundamental drawing before I dropped out because I'd rather do something else. Now I'd really like to start drawing again though. Just as a hobby, without all that pressure and goddamn frustration. This drawing is still better than any of the shit I did in my drawing classes.

>>2287756
Can't you smell what the nico nico nii is cooking, brother?

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early stage, major fuck ups anywhere?

>>2287916
Her right leg seems as if it is connected to the side of her stomach. Focus on the thigh. I would put it so that half of it or more is behind the left thigh so we can't see as much

>>2287773
What's the point in posting your old ass art

>>2287754
This is amazing

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>>2287754

>>2286027
fuck off dude, just a fucking tracer.

>>2286705
He's rightt that you fucked up, doesnt mean he has to be capable of doing a redline either. But you shouldnt listen to those saying you shouldnt redline at all, because you can fix other problems, this was just a little too high a mark.I know full well how it is to do a redline is kind of stressful if you can get bashed for trying to help. But just aim lower and it should be fine.

>>2287115
i can get behind this, youre on my radar cool anon
.>>2287122
lol the original is flawed, it has to do with the bridge being way too fucking high

>>2287421
hate, still me, the guy who said he wouldnt follow you, thats ones neat. should a fucking elbow though because one is wrong because of shapes and the other because of height.

>>2287547
neat.

>>2286402
you should stop trying to redline. Just... stop.

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>>2288266
Anything for you, senpai~

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are oil pastels worth the time to be spent mastering?

>>2288281
thanks. You're fucking awful at it. You'll stop embarrassing yourself.

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>>2288310
S-senpai~!! All of these compliments~! I-I don't know what to say....!

>>2288281
>>2288326
this is not /i/ or /b/ just in case you're wondering

>>2288326
If you drew more studies and fewer reaction images your redlines would probably suck less to be honest family.

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>>2288335
Oh senpai! It's so cute that you think I put actual effort into these!
I'll try harder for you, senpai~!!

>>2288357
>It's so cute that you think I put actual effort into these!
Are you talking about your redlines?
It shows.

>>2288357
you need some reality check bro

>>2288357
You must not put much effort into anything.

>>2288363
>>2288386
>>2288388
You all are a bunch of pathetic faggots. He did a bad redline. He gets it. We all get it. Shut up, nobody fucking cares. You're not proving anything by continually trying to insult him, all you're doing is wasting posts that could be used for actual critique and advice. Stop.

>>2288414
>going from passive aggressive defense mode to butthurt samefagging this quickly
Poor babby

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kind of gay shit

>>2288427
Yeah yeah yeah, samefag, samefag. I'm not him, I'm >>2287203, not that it matters. Stop shitting up the thread. The dude already got called out for doing a bad redline, and he conceded it was bad immediately and someone did a better one. This was done with, and you came in here to start beating a dead horse literally a full day after the fact. Could you possibly be more petty? Stop wasting posts and go draw.

>>2288432
Rather than exasperating something minor you should definitely follow your own advice.

>>2288435
I'm the one exasperating something when 3 fucking people start going on about something that ended a day ago? Please. You're done. This is done.

>>2288442
You're done?

>>2288442
Yes, you really are. Stop hyperventilating and go draw more effeminate men whipping the floor.

>>2288443
>>2288444
Good.

>>2288441
This is probably bait but it's really cute and I like it a lot. gj

>>2287439
>Katsuhiro Otomo
My nigga.

>>2288446
not sure why it would be bait but thanks

>>2288446
why is it bait?

>>2288414
He doesn't get it because he's deliberately trying to justify the shitty redline with shitty reaction images to get a rise out of anons.

>>2288473
He's not. His very first reply he admitted it was bad. Coming in a day later to be like "yeah, it's bad!" when it was over and done with doesn't deserve to be taken any more seriously than a bunch of smug-faced doodles, and he's not even doing that much anymore. It's done. Just stop.

>>2288465
Generally when someone posts something simplistic like this its to get a rise out of the "muh loomis concept art" crowd.
I'm glad it's not though, I do genuinely like it.

>>2288473
I wasn't trying to justify anything. My redline was bad and full of errors, and I fully admit that. The doodles were just poking fun at anons who take this shit waaay to seriously.

>>2288475
People don't like overly defensive dunning-krugers. Who knew? You may not be him but you're far enough up his ass that you two must share DNA at this point.

>>2288481
Okay fine, cool, as long as we can be done with this now.

>>2288478
>alt thread
>you cant post alt shit
>everything needs to be loomis
mindasplode.gif

>>2288446
dummy, the art is publishable why would it be bait?

>>2288441
I like this, is this watercolor? Ink wash?

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>>2288246
Yeah but it works at least for me, I find it very appealing.

>>2288517
holy shit firez you did that?
christ what happened in the past 2 days

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>>2288525
Its a panel from the manga innocent by sakamoto shinichi

>>2288526
oh nvm

>>2288526

You should try employ similar clean linework to your unreferenced drawings, they always look too rough to me, especially the hair.

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>>2288252
Thanks, I'm not sure if I got right your message but I hope this is better.

I honestly only made it as a reaction image but I got too involved, maybe I will even transfer to the PC and work on it more properly.

>>2288514
thanks, photoshop

>>2288545
Oh wow, it looks full on traditional. How did you get that textured look??

>>2288547
photo texture on overlay

>>2288551
Oh okay, neat. Anyway, looks really nice anon.

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wip

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>>2288557

>>2288606
Why did you add the bird? Anyway as much as the original was wrong as a bottom-up view of the tray and teapot this redline is as wrong as a top down view. It needs to be straight on, or at least straighter than that.

>>2288606
thanks famu

>>2286976
Not that I know of, but submissions in general are accepted.

>>2287131
Yes. This way I can fold them so that they fit in a folder. I just dont have anything that will fit in my backback at 11x17, and I like to walk to the liberary where I get wifi.

>>2287916
God this reminds me of washu from tenchi muyo. Where has the time gone...

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....about to ink this sketch
is there any glaring issues i should fix?

>>2288748
Her proportions are a bit odd. Her torso feels pretty long, and the ratio between the femur and tibia is strange. The placement of her far elbow is wrong too.

>>2288750
ah, i see

[spoiler]c-can i have a redline?[/spoiler]

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need c&c

>>2288848
the visible foot connection to the leg is not matching, the knee or the whole leg is a bit weird, it's too straight
the whole problem of it is that leg, kill it with fire and do it again

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any feedback welcome

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Something's wrong but I can't tell what it is

pls help

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>>2289070

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>>2288848
I hope it helps you.

>>2288848
where is the ruined city?

>>2288862
i can kill it with fire, but i have no idea how to make it look correct. somehow i'll have to find a ref for this pose, but i couldn't but thanks anyway.

>>2289137
this helps alot and is probably what was causing it to feel weird, i'll give it a try... thank you

>>2289140
sorry not this time!

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>>2289070
define features + edges
perspective helps (define topside/bottomside of forms)
dont crop the top of the head
incorrect lighting round the chin and shoulder
rly basic shit you should be nailing i.e. fundamentals

colors are fine, could be better, but adding filters and fucking about with levels won't help you in the long run. i colorpicked everything from your colors

>>2289172
>tfw you never get crits like this

>>2289172
you did't define anything all you did was add the tits. your painting over is useless.

>>2289204
your post is useless

>>2289212
and yours' redundant
as mine right now

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>>2289124
>>2289172
ty anons
I tried to fix it a little

>>2289234
I'm none of those anons, and I'm not sure what you changed, but I think it looks way better now. She looked kind of dead-eyed before, now she looks more lively.

>>2289204
his is the only one that fixed the nose somewhat. imo the biggest issue i saw.
yes, it is a case of "i want to scream but i have no mouth", but still.

babbies like you need to understand that redlines/overpaints are not everything. it's fine as long as it helps somewhat.
people like you only look at it from a "can the redliner do everything better?" angle. in truth redlines are also just advice from other artists, except it's visual.

>>2289290
Don't you know the rules of /ic/? Everything has to be perfect or it's shit. And if it's too perfect, it's also shit. Everyone and everything is shit except for and including Loomis. That is the lesson.

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crit?

Just wondering if there happened to be some type of online classes out there that taught how to style.

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>>2288748
>>2288752
Not him and not really a redline, just tried doodling a version for myself - though I hope you fix her leg proportions before you ink it, I think it's pretty nice otherwise. Her midsection is pretty long but I think her long upper leg makes up for it - she's just lanky, but it seems proportional. Post ink version when you're done?

>>2289382
Not exactly a class but I've been watching Sycra's videos on how he developed his style, and it's been inspiration as hell for me. The series is called "Pointy Chins" on his channel.

>>2289389
Interesting. I've seen some of Sycra's videos, and they've been helpful (with perspective and gesture). Didn't know about a style video. Thanks for that.

>>2289393
You're welcome anon, I hope it helps out.

>>2289290
>actually believes this is what i believe
>projecting this much

>>2289385
thank you kind anon, i was wondering what's exactly the correct ratio for her femur and tibia

>>2289397
>says the redline didn't do anything just because it's a bit incomplete
>disregards it as useless immediately
well golly gee i wonder what you're looking for in a redline

Hey can I have some advice?
(excuse the blog. The short version is that i am bored with drawing a certain subject)
I used to love to draw cute anime girls and all that but it got boring, so I did more dynamic poses and cool things with perspective but now... Those are getting boring to draw, too. I like doing landscapes and I'm trying to improve on realism. I've gotten so much better, but by the standards, im still total shit. So I'm trying to make myself not absolutely hate drawing cute girls or anything, because i have a very cute daughter and also i just got into touhou recently and i really want to draw them, but it's just... Boring to me. I can whip up a sketch and be finished in less than 15 minutes. I'm angry about it. How can I change the style or play around with things so that I can still enjoy drawing female characters thats are just cute little girls? I'm not talking about pervy shit i just really love cute girls. Like yotsuba.

Also is chinese painting style work allowed here? My dad teaches a painting class so i make quite a few of those. Especially gongbi (fine line)

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Thats mine piece, quickie tho and sidekick from regular portraits. Any critique please?

>>2289644
out of curiosity, post some art pls?

i found it interesting to focus on ideas and how to play with them. like visual ideas, themes, concepts etc.

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>>2289752
When we were seeing how different papers affect the brush strokes. You can see the unsightly backruns of the strokes because we are out of rice paper lol. Also the colors of the paint are dialed down because of it. This is why the materials are more important in chinese painting. I like western watercolors more sometimes. These usually take less than one minute. I can show you more in the future. My dad loves to teach gongbi but there's no way in hell I'm doing that on this paper


Or did you want to see the anime stuff and whatnot

>>2289804
you should post stylizations on this thread, with the purpose of looking for feedback

we're not interested in your life, can't you just look what everyone else is doing here?

meh, it's likely you're gonna get dumped to beginner thread

>>2289644
>The short version is that i am bored with drawing a certain subject
then put actual troughts in your work and have fun or simply do the subjects that are exciting to you nowadays

It's not a good nor bad thing to keep loving the same subjects all your life.

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feedback appreciated

I'm in the mood today

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>>2287547
Made a bit more progress today but not anything too significant I think.

>>2289964
I'm diggin that fashion, love it
good taste

new thread
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>>2287754
tuturu~