Beginner Thread

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alternative study: stupid sexy pepe

second for nobody ever tells me what I'm fucking up

>>2275828
I know that feel

>Your drawing is pretty bad, everything is wrong, study more, bye

>>2275829
I don't even get that

>>2275829
this

>>2275828
you are treasuring your stuff instead of just trashing it and starting fresh

dont overthing shit and just draw like 2h a day. anything. just draw and youll be fine

thats the only secret to it

>>2275830
and this

>>2275833
but if somebody tells me
>you're fucking the proportions up
or
>the hands should be ---
>learn how to draw gestures better
and so on, that points me into a direction of what should I improve
I'm bad for setting directions for myself

>>2275833
>dont overthing shit and just draw like 2h a day. anything. just draw and youll be fine

huh... no?

you actually need to study references and try to understand how things work, I have been drawing for years and the human face is still a challenge for me, especially at weird angles

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Is "Draw Comics the Marvel Way" a valid point to an absolute beginner in anatomy learning how to draw?

>>2275837
I mean I'm an absolute beginner in drawing body, can I use this book instead of hampton, loomis or etc?

>>2275837
No, man, super heroes are mountains of muscles and take your attention away from what is really important, which is the skeleton, try to draw very skinny dudes and women, a lot more challenging and will hammer anatomy into your brain

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I was given feedback yesterday on a drawing of the same subject. This time I tried my hardest not to use symbol drawing, trying to measure distances between lines and such. Am I heading in the right direction?

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My hand control was always kinda shit
Im not gonna make it will I?

>>2275835
>>2275836
just force yourself tro draw what doesent feel easy - that way you know youll get some progress done, since whatever feels easy, means you are comfortable with it and you wont learn shit. always push yourself one step past that comfortable zone (just a little bit, no need to go overboard)

>>2275848
youre hopeless.

>>2275853
hmm, okay, I understand, thanks

>>2275848
the eye which is closer to the viewer is smaller than the one far away from the viewer, how does that make sense? also they are not aligned horizontally

>>2275850
You are gonna make it, you have decent precision actually

>>2275864
What really?
I thought I was meant to draw perfectly on the same line

>>2275831
>>2275830
>>2275829
>>2275828
Together with "read the sticky", I bet?
Well, you should read the sticky. Why do you want poeople to re-write down all of what is in the sticky? If people don't tell you anything particular, it means you suck at everything, so, here's a basic list:

>construction, construct 3d objects in different perspectives
>limit yourself to use fewer lines, observe carefully and think about your lines rather than doing random strokes and adjusting on the fly
>get a basic understanding of 1 and 2 point perspective by doing simple exercises, recreate everything you see on "perspective made easy"
>do careful measuring, take your time, take 1 hour measuring and do it until it's right
>study anatomy, self explanatory
>understand shapes and how light hits them; first shade the basic objects with different light position/number of light sources, then make more complex objects and shade those
>construct a face in planes (like it's a low-poly 3d object) and shade the planes, you'll understand shading
>replicate drapery, either from life or a good picture, until you learn how to shade them correctly
>as you learn shading, pay attention to the different tones, and remember to push your values
>understand hard and soft edges
>look at compositions and try to understand why they are a certain way
There. Read this post whenever you post an image and people say "read the sticky", or "everything sucks".

>>2275866
Do you actually believe great artists have robotic precision in their hands?

>>2275877
thanks, but nobody ever told me read the sticky or everything sucks, once I got told I should practice gestures more, but that's it

>>2275854
thanks anon love u
>>2275861
I think I moved the canvas too much while drawing. Thanks for the feedback anyway.

>>2275878
Ive watched some streams and notice that they generally go and Draw base sketch, then redraw over that and get it usually on there first try
Doxydoo is pretty good at it

>>2275884
are you the same guy who wants to draw like him and wanted to skip the whole minor "everything" part?

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>>2275848
Imagine cutting the grill's face in half. See the shape is different? Nose has wrong angle, chin, muzzle.

Same would apply if we did the same to the eyes and so on.

You need to do construction and then add features depending on the construction. As I already told you before, you will never get it right unless you get lucky, which will bring you nowhere even if use this method for 50 years straight.

So get loomis book on heads and do mannequin heads construction until it's consistent. Then, add features until they are consistent. Then, draw faces from photo/life reference like you are doing now.

If you skip these steps, you will actually never get good, so I advise you to actually try or drop it, unless you love wasting time.

>>2275886
Uh, well I do want to draw like him, but I never said anything about skipping stuff, this shit takes time and dedication

>>2275882
Well, the sticky is pretty visible. If you got into this thread, you should have seen it.

>>2275878
But giotto and his perfect circle m8, fukken unfair

>>2275894
Okay, thankyou. I'll try my hardest. Sorry for letting you down.

>>2275899
with that post I meant to say I've already read the sticky multiple times, AND nobody pointed me to it

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anything to be said about these?

>>2275828
>>2275829
>>2275830
>>2275835
Y'ALL NEED KEYS TO DRAWING
READ IT. DO IT. GIT GUD.

stop bitching. I gave you a direction, so just go and do the thing. You'll be set i promise.

>>2275902
If you know the contents of the sticky you should do those things until you're doing them right, with confidence, and intuitively. If your eye is bad to judge, put your attempt over the ref and you'll see what is different.

People dont reply to the very very basic stuff generally because doing the sticky exercises fixes them. You'll get replies when things are on the right track, BUT there may be some bad habits you pick up, and people will let you know.

>>2275915
ok, thank you

>>2275848
Read a book on human anatomy for artists (and construction and values) damn it, don't make shit up.
If you don't know something you educate yourself on the matter. That's how you learn.

Don't be helpless.

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I've only drawn for fun, never practised what so ever.. (I know the heels are way to big on the top four feet, that's not what im wondering)
The thing is.. How do you practise drawing?
Every time i try to practise it just ends up with a page full of scribbles and messed up shit

>>2275939
That's not how legs are constructed.
You practice drawing by using a correct base for the shaping first.
In the case of your page as an example, the correct way is to get an anatomy book or hogarth's anatomy.

You could do 10 billion of those, they'll always be wrong because that construction does not correspond with the skeleton or muscle in any way.

Also, draw bigger. Ditch the shitty lined paper. First do copies of a good reference while understanding it, then do it on your own.

That's about it.

>>2275939
Drawing from life is the best I think. If you sit yourself down and look at a bowel of fruit or a flower (or whatever you want to draw) then you have some direction, you have a goal to meet. If you fail you can see just where you fucked up by comparing it, and if you want to restart, you need only turn the thing to a different angle for new practice material. Drawing from the imagination with nothing particular in mind is just aimless, and not a good way to practice.

>>2275943
Thanks!
And yeah about the lined paper, i don't usually draw on that, just snapped a pic of the first related thing i found

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sketches

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>>2275877
Only masters can tell what exactly what is wrong with an image in particular and why its bad, an intermediate or beginner can simply tell its bad, not knowing why and making guesses.

>>2275850
Try to slow down. And look at the original line.

>>2275884
I looked for him and he actually commits mistakes until he gets it right, its common

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRgFGV-OtrQ

There are no people with robotic precision (except those who waste their time mastering one shape at one size over and over again) but that's simply stupid, its normal to get it wrong sometimes even with the help of a sketch

>>2275967
Huh, well I guess I'll just keep doing about 2 pages of Dynamic sketching a day and some gesture stuff every now and then

>>2275820
>>2275658
Halp

>>2276009
it takes a while to get used to tablets...

>>2275837
It's great for a lot of things, but it never bothers to detail actual anatomy, preferring the shortcuts of showing what super-muscle looks like on heroes. It's got great beginner level material on dynamism versus static posing, on learning foreshortening, and on some basics of perspective.

For anatomy, Bridgeman is much better, and available cheaply through Dover Press.

>>2275962
Pretty easy for me to say those hands were not properly constructed, the fingers are too short, the upper spine is either too long or the bone structure underneath is not on perspective, the ears are misplaced, the eye sockes too low and the nose too long, feed are misaligned and poorly constructed, ankles aren't there.

And I've just been drawing for 2 months with a full-time jobs, so I'm fucking new and clueless, with my eye being dog shit to judge fine things.

Sure maybe I won't be able to give tips on specific bones' details or if a limb is 1/10th off or other very minor details; or advice about color and lighting, but we're on a beginner thread here and 99% of the mistakes are recognizeable by any other beginner or person who doesn't draw, even.

>>2276031
You got it wrong, the masters can tell what is wrong in a picture which is hard to tell, not my 20 minute skeleton sketch

>>2276031
And another thing, telling "everything is wrong" or "it just looks bad" shows you have no knowledge

>>2275837
I've heard that it's a good way to learn basic things like construction and posing. Not too great for anatomy bu tit should still help you make visually appealing drawing if you go through it and practice properly.

>>2276037
Yeah, but again, we're on a beginner thread here.
Look at the average stuff that is uploaded.

>>2275877
>limit yourself to use fewer lines, observe carefully and think about your lines rather than doing random strokes and adjusting on the fly
Hitting where it hurts

>>2276060
You think you read the sticky and after you learn the fundamentals you simply know how to draw, and that is a lie.

>>2276037
>>2276048
>>2275962

Good art isn't about not doing the wrong thing, it's about doing the right thing. Like, a drawing can be garbage without having a single mistake. That's why you can't turn every beginner's shit drawing into a good drawing, doesn't matter if you're a master or whatever.

inb4
>not doing the right thing is also a mistake
>you can just expand on any drawing to make it good and it's technically the same as fixing it

It's a subjective matter, there's literally no way for me to prove I'm right if you choose to disagree. You probably get where I'm coming from.

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Is there anything glaringly wrong with this so far?

>>2276111
Bullshit, even something as boring as a rock can be interesting if rendered accurately

>>2276121
the neck is huge

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I can draw a basic outline of a frog but god forbid I try on a realistic human. Oh well, at least I know what to work on. Any critiques on the basics of this frog?

I'm confused. Why do I love the art direction of Blokampf movies but Aaron Beck's concepts are disappointingly lacking?

>>2276136
maybe he is fat

How do I into perspective? I want to do the exercise where you draw grid lines and lay in circles: last time I was told to put the points off-paper.

Is it good enough to approximate? Should I buy a meter stick? I want to be exact.

I'm stuck with paper and pencil, and because of that

>>2276016
Okay, what bridgman book? How I even approach and practice his stuff?

>>2276050
>Not too great for anatomy bu tit should still help you make visually appealing drawing if you go through it and practice properly.
Exactly what I'm aiming for.

>>2276159
>How I even approach and practice his stuff?
I'm assuming as with a lot of artbooks, you copy and study the drawings within the book and then apply the concepts you learn from this to your non-study drawings.

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how are my lines compared to last time?

>>2276286
post/link to last time's attempt

>>2276298
im this shitter

>>2273783
>>2274406

>>2276159

The one on construction is good

>>2276286
>>2276301
better, anon, better, but keep practicing

>>2276309
thats why im here

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horrible shit

>>2275894
this was the last thing that needed to be pointed out. Shouldve just drawn him some guidelines.
>>2276330
A for Effort, E for Aesthetics

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i would like to draw this, pls help me i havent actually just drawn something in about a month because i've been stressed about studies and other shit.

>>2276395
that's not how crossed arms look like

look for references online or take a picture

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>>2276397
okay.like this?

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She looks a bit retarded :/

>>2276401
your doing better than i am

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>>2275821

on a scale of froggable to unfroggable

Currently trying to apply what i've learned from the first four vilppu drawing manual lectures to my practice. His videos are great but they're a fucking slog so I'm grinding on his techniques for a few days.

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>>2276139

>>2276399
yes.. like that, but I suggest a thinner person so you can pay attention to the bones

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what should I change in my angry ape?

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>>2276406
okay i found a hot young guy skinny, should i try and deconstruct it?

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Trying out colored pencils and different shadings.

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>>2276410
yup, its weird how that guy is crossing his arms, though, looks unnatural, this one is better

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also trying to find out what values to use

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>>2276413
should i attempt to deconstruct this one then instead?

>>2275848
I think its an improvement, try to see angles, compare sizes, remeasure, its not super easy to get it at first, go slow, take your time, dont compromise to anything, erase if necessary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

>>2276417
yes

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>>2276421
here sensei

>>2276426
are those circles the base of the hand? they are not at the right place

now study harder gakusei, take your time

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I don't understand gestures please advise

>>2276429
why are you being nice to me. you cant have my blood, i need it. i have sycra, proko and jazza vids pulled up are they appropriate study material?

>>2276432
>why are you being nice to me.

because you're qt

>you cant have my blood, i need it. i have sycra, proko and jazza vids pulled up are they appropriate study material?

yes, considering you are a beginner, especially Proko

>>2276430
start with proportions

>>2276430
as few lines as possible. oversimply, then add details. think about the weight and motion of pose. ghost over the lines you intend to put and burn how your hand/cursor moved into your visual memory to better practice hand/eye coordination. be slow, work on line confidence (peter han exercises have done a lot for me there)

>>2276437
>because your a qt
:3

>>2276441
DON'T FLATTER YOURSELF, BACK TO WORK

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>>2276444
o-okay

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>>2276445

>>2276453
bones do not bend like that, dummy

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criticize me please

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>>2276454
her arms did though.

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>>2276459
you need to work on line confidence, the final lineart looks like a sketch, and study a lot of anatomy, starting with the spine

>>2276460
ribcage is too big, you didn't even try to study her hand, the location of the shoulders are wrong, so is her neck placement, also the front part of the rib cage ends a lot higher than it is in your image

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>>2275820

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>>2276468
you cant dissuade me with harsh criticism im getting at least this done over the weekend.,ill try and fix it then. [spoiler[look at her face holy shit its spooky.

>>2275837
It's a really fun book, but it's not good to learn from, not at all.

>>2276481
now we're getting somewhere

the balls are too big though

do you like big balls?

>>2276486
>do you like big balls?
well i am a big guy.
should i use skellys in the future to aid my construction process? and shrink the balls got it.

>>2276494
yes, draw a thousand simplified skeletons

>>2276499
alright. i meant if its similar to what im trying to draw, use a picture of a skelton to help me with the boxes/lines/circles for constructing.

>>2276459
You have disgusting taste.

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>>2276480
>>2275821

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Tried drawing one of my friends. Any glaring problems, /ic/? I really want to start getting better, so be blunt.

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>>2276499

>>2276537
its shit, ill redo it.

>>2276507
is it because she's
>a big girl
?

>>2276594
No it's because she has emaciated clavicles, bodybuilder abs with a narrow waist, fat legs thighs and cankles, Oh, and a seahorse neck.

I could forgive the rest if she had a good ol' honest to god juicy cock, but no.

0/10, my body actually diverted bloodflow from an already flacid and cold shrimpy little dick rather than let me considering even imagining having the thought of masturbating to it.

>>2276594
>>2276620
I could totally fap to that drawing if it wasn't for the hair and face, big girls are only appealing if they have a feminine face to make up for the manly features, I know that is kind of a personal thing, but she is just full bulldyke mode

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I started to study cities
Opinions?

[spoiler] I made this in 10 min, that's why it's a chicken scratch [/spoiler]

>>2276440
regarding peter han and other line exercises, is there a larger benefit to doing them on paper instead of digital?

>>2276632
some the horizontal lines are not going towards the horizon

>>2276632
It's tricky with one point, but it looks distorted, you're drawing too wide.

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>>2276507
>>2276594
because i can draw them skinny too ;)

>>2276641
Christ, go outside and look at a human being, please.

>>2276620
appreciate the criticism but i wasnt trying to make fap material.

>>2276644
no

>>2276645
Really? Generally when people exagerate features like that it's because they have a fetish for fat thighs and big abs.

y-you weren't trying to draw a real person were you?

>>2276641
what's up with those pointy parts?

>>2276652
idk i was trying to exaggerate

>>2276653

bad

wrong

>>2276651
meh i just wanted to try drawing a big girl. no not a real person.

>>2276641
her hip is dislocated and that scares me

>>2276656
>>2276658
sorry

>>2275820
How do I into hatching and cross hatching?

Also why are frogs so kawai?

>>2276650
Looking good, anon. I like the eye in the corner.

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>>2275848
I made it worse

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Hey beginnerfriends, long time no see. Working on cleaning and refining this but feeling like I hit a roadblock.Help deeply appreciated

>>2276430

Most of these lack a sense of weight. The top right is closest, with the positioning and shape of the back foot. The rest aren't as good. i.e. both of them in the middle, the leg placement is awkward. Maybe I could stand like that irl but it would tire out my hip muscles really fast.

How I learned: charcoal, live model, 45 second poses. I'm not great but I improved a lot from that.

>>2276763

Your main problem is that the light source is not clearly defined.

>>2276641

Please memorize this asap.

>>2269740

>>2276517

As a beginner it's a good idea not to mix media in your work. Keep it simple so you can focus on drawing instead of the medium you are using. Use simple black charcoal. When you shade areas do not scribble. Draw all the lines in one direction instead of dragging back and forth. I'm not going to give very specific advice because at your level you just need to draw more.

>>2276763
Are the things on the side of his face (next to his eyes) supposed to be closer to axes or horns? Because they are very papery-flat

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>>2276796
>>2276817
Altered to define light source, and yes they are, I added some light ridges to add some depth. not too sure how much this helped though

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I never quiet understood gesture drawings.

>"Draw the motion"
>"Don't worry about the contour"
>Draws the contour

>>2276720
>can't see the obvious improvement
i feel sorry for you

>>2276833
Think of a person as a lump of clay. Imagine how you would kinda start with just lumps, gesture drawing is those lumps

>>2276330
The drawing of the face is good but the rendering is far too muddy, look through ctrl-paints rendering videos.

>>2276833
>tfw I had this same problem once upon a time
Are you me from the past? Because this is exactly the same problem I had with gestures, anon.

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Study I'm working on. Few things left to touch up with the eyes, mouth and hair, but I'll get to those tomorrow. Mouth is really bothering me now actually, I think I fucked up the bottom lip. I keep going into these 'quick' portraits that end up taking entire days. I want to try rendering it, but I sort of wonder if it would be more efficient practice to just crank out sketches. I might just hatch and leave it at that.

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Just a doodle. First time really messing with shading. Still can't draw limbs...or this guys brain. Feel free to critique, but I can't really draw much else other than cartoons.

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Meh, just some shitty emotion-art
I can't into shading either

So is there a gesture drawing equivalent to faces or expressions?

>>2276895
Sticky

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Is there anything in particular I should be working on? Nobody has ever given me any helpful feedback

>>2276893
i like it, gj anon

>>2276919
Are you sure, anon? Are you really sure? You haven't heard the words construction and symbol drawing once in your life?

>>2276941
Thanks anon!

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I don't even know where to go with this

>>2276919
Is it a quick sketch? If so the shading in the face is the 'best' part. The worst is the construction (and the hair is shit).
First thing you need to study is the contruction of the head/face. I think you already did this a bit but you have to keep on on the basics.

quick question, what is symbol drawing? i see the term often in crit here

>>2276893
what bothers me is the over simplification of the man's hair

>>2277026
read the sticky

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How can I improve my heads?

>>2276803
Thanks, anon. I'll do that.

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After too many mistakes I gave up. I'm trying to use only pen and markers to make myself think more before placing lines but I guess I'm not thinking enough.

>>2276866
Interesting. Never thought of it like that.

>>2276875
How'd you go about fixing this issue?

>>2276919
Work on expression. She's smiling but it looks forced, the different parts of the face move together. Like eyes, nose, cheeks and eyebrows would move up with the mouth.

You've gotten pretty good at rendering in black and white you might want to try to add color or make a new piece with color,

>>2277055
Draw the entire head to start. Draw several different kinds of heads. Draw caricatures of people.

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I tried drawing for the first time without reference, the point of this one was to try and get the proportions right, which I think ended up being okayish, but I also wanted to somehow express the action, which I don't think I got quite right... I would really appreciate any kind of critique, thanks.

And on my defense regarding the clothing, I didn't study that yet. (I don't really know why I drew it in the first place)

>>2276720
You literally made it better.

>>2277032
Yeah, I probably should spend some more time on that.

>>2277069
Anon, this is really fuckin' good.
What exactly are you upset about in this image? The proportions?

>>2275908
Nice tumors

>>2276907
The sticky doesn't even go into any detail about what makes a gesture drawing. And anyway I was looking for drawing exercises that bring out emotions like gestures bring out movement, not face resources.

>>2277128
>The sticky doesn't even go into any detail about what makes a gesture drawing
The books in it do, fuckboy. Loomis' Figure Drawing has "flow" and "sweep" and rhythm, and I'm pretty sure vilppu, the king of FEEEL IT is in the sticky too.

>>2276632
perspective is fucked

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>>2275821
so much time spent practising and cant even draw a pepe right

>>2275850
I know where you're coming from. I thought for months that I would never be able to draw unless I could create perfectly straight lines and circles.

I also tried drawing heads facing straight ahead for ages trying to get proportions perfectly even between sides and never getting it right because my visual imagination and general skill level was shit.

It turns out it's not really that important in the long run and you'll pick up control and precision while practising other stuff. Don't get too obsessive about it.

Anyway, I'm in the wrong board.

>>2277124
I noticed while drawing it that I was off on the proportions in a couple of major areas. If anything, it helped me look at parts in relation to others more than I usually do.

>>2277134
Dude you are working digital. There are so many helpful tricks to get the proportions and stuff right. You can zoom out both the picture and canvas and note down the shapes much eaiser. Keeping them blocky and refining them later. Nothing is permanent in digital. Use layers, use everything.

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Critic me pls.

No access to a darker pencil at the moment.
I am thinking I should add more contrast.
But did I get the proportions right?

>>2277139
You should try blocking it in first with a light marker, then draw over with pen. Basically, circle the head, and circle the body. Make sure these circles match the head and rib cage. Then square out the head as block as possible.

I dunno, hope that info works. Sorry if you already knew this.

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>>2277142
Little brother's 7.5/10 qt 7th grade teacher.

Lack of contrast blamed on shitty pencil, didn't want to damage the paper. I should buy a darker one soon.

>>2276409
>>2276416

anybody?

>>2276404
Thanks for this.

>>2276944
Well no not really, this is the first time I've showed anything to someone besides friends who know nothing about drawing

>>2277142
Hello, yes you should add more contrast. A lot more. Looking at the ref your hair is one of the darker elements, and in your drawing its about the same tone as everything else. Pay attention to all the little tones and shades that appear in on your face. There's not nearly enough definition there. As for pencils go, you're going to want to buy more than just one shade darker. You should buy a pack of different shades, you never know which one you're going to need. But all in all, good start, practice more and study how light hits the face and the different shapes it leaves on the surface.

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>>2276537
i decided to try and make a more interesting pose.

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>>2275850
Hey man, I remember in the other thread you said you were going to pick up some felt-tip pens, here you're using ballpoint still.

Those superimposed lines exercises are specifically for felt-tip pens. In addition to helping you draw in a straight line, they're meant to help you learn how to hold a felt-tip properly.

If you want to continue using ballpoint (or even pencil) you would be better off just drawing parallel straight lines rather than trying to superimpose them. Check out pages 14 & 15 of How to Draw by Scott Robertson (you can browse for free on Amazon).

Pic related is a good example of the superimposed lines exercise using felt-tip pen. You can see there's quite a big difference. Slow down a bit and try to make sure you're drawing lines of the same length every time.

>>2277085
The only reason they add some contours is for a little detail and when they have a little time left. Just focus on the FEEL of the pose and worry about contour if you have extra time.

Uh I have trouble with the lower leg and the lower arm (along with a list of other things). Can anyone help with the lower limbs?

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>>2277410

>>2277422
Nice dubs anon, but how do I draw them at different angles? That always fucks me up.

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>>2277433
I got this too

legs and arms are pretty easy, hands and feet are a lot harder

>>2277433
Learn the underlying forms and how they relate to one another in 3D space, then you'll be able to draw them from any angle.

>>2277445
So the shin is like a tapering cylinder with another cylinder attached to it? Or is it more flattened in the back? Something like that?

>>2277447
I hope you're aware you have shins yourself.
You can look at it from all the different angles and see how you can make it more abstract.

>>2275901
He's not trying to batter you for the sake of battery, but push you, because your drawing has far too many anime-elements to be taken seriously.

>>2276401
All the lines are so... clean

>>2277410
Just do what I do and draw amputees exclusively

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i cant fucking do it guys. i just cant wrap my head around anatomy. just fucking kill me now.

>>2277486
why's the sword coming out of his wrist

>>2277486
>>2275877
>>limit yourself to use fewer lines, observe carefully and think about your lines rather than doing random strokes and adjusting on the fly

>>2277486
Just try drawing heads for now, I think you're going ahead of yourself when you don't really understand the method Loomis teaches yet. Rome wasn't built in a day, you'll get there. Drawing well takes years

>>2277514
i dont have years and ive been on heads for a month. i just want to produce one thing. all i got is practice sheets

>>2277517
Well it does take a while to git gud, why draw then if you dont want to do it for awhile? I dont think you really understand the dimensions of the way Loomis draws. If you're tired of drawing heads then look at something real and try to draw from that, and color/shade it the way it looks if you really want to produce something.

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Just another 1 hour study.

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Warm up sketch.

I'll be here for a while. I want to do some sketches for practice. Suggestions?

>>2277552
w-which one is the reference?

>>2277552
a-anon th-this is the beginner thread....

>>2277590
>>2277595
Heh, thanks ;^)

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>>2277530
well this is what i did today..

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Any comments on why the lighting doesnt look better?

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>>2275820

dont know whats up with the back leg and i dont know much about texturing so im done i guess. I tried. Havent done anything in months, feels good to have something to look at besides a blank paper. thanks for the pick me up little frog. maybe i can get back into it.
you're all wonderful human beings

>>2277604
It's not bad. It would look better if you made the light go around things, kinda like it does in real life. Shadows would also help. Because the lines are really thick, can't really tell if you have shadows or not.

>>2277597
When you draw the line on the head from the circle down to the chin, the one that curves, try to think of it as defining the front plane of the chin and the face. It looks like you're placing it without understanding what it does and what purpose it has. I would recommend focusing on using references and seeing how it comes into play.

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>>2277604
Your line work is really thick, as the other anon said, and that kind of ruins the look a bit. And the lighting is wrong because youre just using literally two colors. Look around you, do you see anything that has just two colors? Try to learn color theory and study shading. You have to think about the objects you're drawing as three dimensional, not like flat pieces of cardboard. Did you use a reference for this? If not, i'd suggest studying a skull. The bottom jaw is not that square.

>>2277604

I'd recommend starting by working in values (namely just black and white) and not using as many solid black lines.
If you do really insist on having distinctly visible linework, look into line weight. You'll have thinner lines in areas of light and thicker lines in areas of shadow.

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I'm still doing stuff

>>2277637

try harder.

Really though, not even trying to be an asshole, ditch cartoons until you've got some fundamentals. You're not going to do yourself any favors. Your pic looks to me like "I'm still doing the minimum amount of effort required to say I'm doing stuff."

>>2277552

That looks pretty nice. I never really considered how significantly adding reflected light makes a difference.

>>2277597
You're placing the features of the face onto the wrong parts of the face. Compare your face shape to an actually face. What features falls on those lines? You're drawing these vertical and horizontal lines, but you don't use them because you don't understand what they mean.

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>>2277657

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>>2277640
Effort?

>>2277552
The shadow is a bit too long anon

>>2277727
nice chickenscratch

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First stab at constructing heads with Loomis. Dunno why I waited so long to actually learn this shit.

>>2277748
Keep reading dat Loomis baby

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I recently got back from vacation with food poisoning and shit. I missed a day of practice due to travel and pain. I've been practicing all day today and my lines aren't going where I want, plus my hand feels stiff and shaky. Should I take a rest? How do I ease my shakiness and weakness?

>>2277754

May as well just take the day off. I'm having the same problem more or less. Got the whole day to practice and nothing wants to work right. It's incredibly frustrating.

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Well /ic/, I might be taking a permanent art break to become a translator. Last time I did this, it only lasted 4 months: January to May. Its surprising how much I learned about form, and loomis, and what not in just 3 months, really, I went from KTD level to actually knowing what construction is and how it applies to the figure.You can choose not to believe me or not, since im not posting work. And the funny thing is, I just started posting drawings from imagination, and was about to build my portfolio, the goal I wanted to do my whole life. But idk ,its only been a week without drawing, im gonna miss you guys. ;__; I really like learning japanese, but, drawing is what made me a less useless and more interesting human being. I really liked talking about drawing, but now, my desire to draw, is gone. I dont know if it really will comeback again. But, if im going to become a translator, and get a job, I have to git gud japanese yo.

pic unrelated

>>2277829

Feel. I started learning Japanese In 2010 on and off. I could have been fcking fluent by now and have access to all them sweet jap tutorials I'm such a retard. I'm getting back into it though once and for all.

It's kinda of funny how to git gud. I remember complaining here in /ic/ about construction, proportions, etc, I just couldn't get it even hours of drawing. So I just did Vilppu's method of figure drawing for an hour a day. 3 months later, those issues are now slowly fading away. I guess you just have to draw.

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Is there any actual benefit to doing this kind of early exercise in Loomis?
I don't really want to draw cartoons, and I suck at these anyway.
Should I put in the effort required to draw these well, or move on to more realistic head-drawing, which I actually have some motivation for?

>>2277874
Do realistic.
Fun with a Pencil will give you some insight on what to expect, but out of all the Loomis books, it's okay to skip that one.

>Stopped drawing for about 2 weeks after getting upset with the outcome of a big piece
>Come back, values are all wonky, getting back into the swing of things is a harder transition than usual

Is there any solution for this other than to keep drawing daily again?
Or any form of prevention for the future?

>>2276878
those lines are fucking messy

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studied the frog as well because im feeling unmotivated but i dont want to spend precious time just feeling shitty

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Drawing has become depressing..

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What went wrong?

>>2277909
>>2277912
These are good, what do you guys think is wrong?

>>2277914
Nothing.
Keep drawing.

>>2277916

Pencil drawing: my values and I got lazy at the end

>>2277916
>Nothing
Why do you say that? They don't look like the references and seem off to me. Then again I did draw them.

>>2277922

Other than the obvious "keep practicing", try to improve your line control/quality.

>>2277914
there's nothing major wrong overall. I could point out details with a few, but the closest to a consistent issue deals with your foot-to-ankle transition, it seems like on some you're thinking of it as a hinged joint, rotating around either the front, or the rear, instead of as the complex joint it really is. Also, the arch doesn't go all the way across, or so far back, see your lower corner's two arches. And stop drawing the heel as a gigantic sphere with a long toe mess hanging off it.

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>>2277589
Needs a lot work. I get its just a sketch, but the head and face are really messed up. So is the whole neck/trapezius region. I think you just need to draw more, get some miles under your belt. Draw from life, or do a life drawing class, because I don't think you really understand how people look when you're drawing from imagination. Maybe you're going for a style, but you're hitting technical limitations from lack of experience. That's what's probably keeping you from achieving the look you want. Just work harder, I guess. Keep in mind your fundamentals, and try again.

>>2276862
>>2277103
Wow, I really feel like one of those teenage girls posting "I'm ugly" selfies.

>>2277926
I'm sorry anon, I was having a bad day and suffering from massive art block.

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>>2276893
I think cutting his hair off makes it look creepier.

>>2277996
don't pay attention to the way too spotty airbrushing.

>spend two hours drawing the frog, measuring and redrawing, constantly trying to fix proportions and get shapes and angles right
>finally done my sketch
>take the picture and put it on transparent to see how I did
>the whole body is skewed out of proportion
>delete

All I've gained is a sore wrist and a mild sense of despair.

Maybe tomorrow things I do won't be awful.

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>>2275820
eh

>>2278016

ah, yes, I know that feeling. the classic feeling of despair and self loathing.

only thing left to do is let it fuel you further, anon.

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Any protips on figure drawing would be helpful. I just started about a week ago and I'm not even sure if I'm taking the right approach. After drawing in the gesture line I'm basically trying to figure out what direction the forms are going and creating contours around the semi-ellipses. Then pushing the pose and redrawing it. I'm aware the far right is every unbalanced.

>>2278044
lmfao that's retarded shit you're doing

>>2278058

Thanks.

>>2278058

nice protips you really showed that fuckboi who's boss I really, really want to suck your dick.

>>2278044
I think the gesture line and ellise/ring body thing are both going decently, what's holding you back is the actual pose. You're not copying it honestly enough, in the photo the bent arm is right near the back of her head, but in all of your drawings her arm is a million miles away. There's nearly a right-angle formed above her skull. This is one of those practice things, but when looking at forms, it helps to look at the negative space. Between her hair and her bent arm, there's basically just a small sliver near the top. In your drawing, there's an enormous equilateral triangle in the bend of the arm.

Also, is this tablet or hand-drawn? If you are new to figure drawing, go traditional. If you're having trouble seeing what directions stuff is going, you need to be able to "trace" what you see in the air with your arm.

Don't worry about "pushing the pose" just yet, cause that's not what it means. You are throwing the figure off balance, you're not actually exaggerating what makes the pose what it is. Do that measuring stuff first, then push it later when your poses start feeling stiff.

tl;dr Look at your reference harder, follow the proper angles, look at the negative space. Draw what you see.

>>2278066

>Also, is this tablet or hand-drawn

Tablet. Only because after it gets dark I can't use paper/pencil. I prefer doing this traditionally since I have 100x more control.

Thanks for the advice man. I'll pay more attention. I'm told all the time to "be loose" so I think I just need to slow down a bit.

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>>2278044
I'd say you're abusing wrapping lines and no focusing on the ~flow~ enough.
The legs look like bendy sausages at best, for example.
The goal of the gesture is to try and convey the broadest and most simple movements and rhythms on the body. It's not the stage at which you ought to be worrying about anatomy and your sloppy attempts at defining the breasts or ribcage tend to ruin the impression.

>>2278073
Thanks for redlining. I will consider what you've said.

>>2278075
No problem. I'm not amazing at this either, but here's a few things I've gotten:
-figure drawing is gosh darn difficult because when doing it you have to utilize basically all of the fundamental skills (measuring proportions, construction, negative space, perspective, etcecetcetc). If your basics aren't sharp, it'll hinder your drawing. It is especially because we're so used to seeing bodies that a wrongly placed limb or a fake muscle or a wonky eye will stand out so much.
-you'll get better at gestures once you study some anatomy. Since gesture lines are often simplifications of muscles movements, they'll become easier to draw once you'll have learnt what they're actually representing.
Keep at it~

>>2278073
you dont even know what the fuck youre talking about.

>>2278080

I'm going to be bouncing between gesture an anatomy for the next two months or so and probably do nothing but that with some personal projects on the side. I've put figure drawing off for far too long and it shows.

>>2278081
Whether you're being a snarky bitch or not, I take advice with a grain of salt. I've taken a lot of bad advice since I've started drawing so I tend to very careful now with what advice I consider.

>>2278081
Eh, I said I'm no pro at this, so it is likely that I'm missing something. However, focusing on the flow of the body and not getting distracted by anatomy is something both Hampton and Vilppu talk about, IIRC.
If you disagree with any particular statement that I made, you're welcome to point out its flaws and offer both me and the poster better advice.

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>>2275820
I need to measure more

>>2278161
this is lazy anon

>>2278206
How so? Just started drawing digitally recently so everything looks like shit.

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>>2275820

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>>2275820
Been lurking on ic for about a month but first time actually posting anything

>>2277970
The neck is not too long...

>>2278271
what type of pencil is that?

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guys sometimes i dont think im gonna make it

lower leg is too short right?

can someone give me redline advice on left arm and boob?

>>2278278
it's from Kyle's brush pack
https://gumroad.com/l/HKgA

this specific one is called 2B pencil 10px

>>2278044
can you link/upload the reference?

>>2278323

Somewhere here: http://www.characterdesigns.com/index.php?sitepage=photosets

one of the redhead (nude) photo sets.

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I fucking suck at Digital paiting :^)

Line Art is okay but when comes up the paint to add some color.. oh boy. Is there any book that would help to improve my values or knowledge about painting digitally ?

> Also no reference.
> Inb4 for more Loomis.

>>2278378
my uneducated opinion is that it looks like you took chicken scratching and symbol drawing into the painting realm, but no reference so I cant say for sure

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>>2278378
*the time to add some color.

>>2278379
I'm not sure to really understand the meaning of "take the chicken scratching" into the painting.
And symbol drawing was pretty much non-existent before I started to paint. (imo)

>>2278401
I agree that your lines don't have those problems, but what I meant to say is that you seem to just be haphazardly putting color where you think it should go, as opposed to looking at a reference and really translating. If you don't have a reference at all, then you are in a pickle and should look for something similar enough that it will give you what you need, if you do have a reference then really take a good look at the shapes and locations of the value.

>>2278378
>Line Art is okay but when comes up the paint to add some color.. oh boy.

but that line art is terrible...

>>2278044
A basic understanding of form and weight-distribuition should help you with expressing the gesture more easily.
The point of cross-contour lines is to define the form not give your figure tiger stripes, tone it down and think more about how you can define the form for the viewer most succinctly.
Your drawings are too out of control, gestures need to be thoughtful, flowing and precise.
Try to slow down and think about the lines you're placing.
Also your drawings are to complex, start simply and work on top of it, watch prokos gesture videos on youtube.

Is there such a thing as practicing wrong?

>>2278554
Yes. Practice makes permanent, not perfect etc etc. You can practice mistakes, and develop and internalize bad habits.

>>2277604
Not really related to the lighting, but you need to work a bit bigger. It's so small that you can see the pixels; it makes it look blurry and gross.

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>>2278556
That's encouraging, how will I know if I'm practicing wrong?

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How would I go about getting this sort of effect in acrylics? (if it even is acrylics) is it a matter of technique or medium?
>sorry if this seems like a trivial question, I'm just completely new to illustrating in paint ,of any kind,.

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I've tried twice to draw this girl's face but it keeps ending up just so wrong

What should I be doing? This is so hard, I want to be dead.

>>2278568
You might not, but ask for critique and remember to keep pushing outward, studying books and life more than just reinforcing your comfort walls.

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>>2278595
thx for the wp, have another

and make it grayscale so you can focus on the values

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>>2278599
I dunno how to? and i have lots of aryan qts saved desu

>>2278603
that's such a shitty, overpriced restaurant

>>2278568

Usually it's a case of not pushing yourself. You can draw a thousand heads, but if you don't push yourself to learn more about drawing heads, or you approach those studies in a lazy and non-critical manner, you won't improve. All you'll do is familiarize yourself with drawing heads that show a lack of understanding on your part.

The easiest way to know you're practicing wrong is if you're just drawing away absentmindedly, cutting corners in the work, putting off reading that figure book because you just don't feel like it, etc. You're supposed to be learning, right? If your mind isn't engaged in a problem-solving manner, you'll know you're wasting your time.

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>>2278603
are you using photoshop?

Image -> Adjustments -> Black and White

I am doing this for you in case you don't have it because I am a really cool guy and now I have another blonde qt wallpaper

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>>2278606
Thanks boss. I'm also having trouble like putting the nose and eyes and stuff in the right places & stuff I keep doing it all wrong

>>2278606
>>2278609
http://www.artofscholes.com/checkingvalues/

this is the better way to do it

>>2278264
I would love a comment

>>2278615
the head shape is wrong, too point and flat

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Sorta new here and been winging drawing for the past 4-5 ish months or so. At least putting in 2 hours a day. Though I really want to learn a lot faster and start moving onto more free-flowing figures, but my sense of perspective and depth always just feel off whenever I try explore more with my stuff. Today I tried 'geometric sketching'(?), but I feel like much of my stuff is really stiff, and the proportions feel weird. Please help! I'll post some more stuff I've been doing

>>2278634

Get Keys to Drawing and work through all the exercises.

Get Perspective Made Easy and work through all the exercises.

Do realistic studies from reference. A whole hell of a lot of them. All the time. Every day. Get Hampton, Vilppu and Loomis' figure books, and study them all, copying out all the plates. Study study study. Don't try to stylize things or come up with things from imagination until you've gotten a lot of experience at drawing those things realistically from a reference.

Okay, I'm confused.

I've been told I need to work on my visual memory since I can't properly work from imagination.

But when am I supposed to be able to trust my imagination/visual memory and how? Am I supposed to try to reproduce an object or somebody on paper and just hope for my brain to go analytic on how to draw?

It's kinda hard for me to believe I'd be able to draw from imagination if I'm told I can't trust my visual memory, yet I'm supposed to rely on it later on.

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How to render with pencil? Do you use one led type for the entire thing? The 6B just looks like black crayon, then I tried to make the grey with a 2B but it looks like shit so I tried to smudge it smooth and now it really looks like shit.

>>2278651

It's not just visual memory. You have to understand the form of what you're drawing. You have to be experienced enough with the subject matter to understand how it occupies space so that you can describe that despite the angle of observation or perspective. You can certainly try every now and again to draw from imagination, just to gauge where you're at, or if you're just drawing for fun, but don't consider it practice, at least not at this early of a stage in your learning.

It's just one of those things you have to put the time in and judge for yourself. You don't have to study to the point where you have a medical knowledge of anatomy, you just need to be able to describe the form in a simple manner without 'breaking' it. That's why you learn to construct things with shapes like cylinders and boxes. Of course you're still going to make errors, it's just a matter of how large those errors will be, whether or not they break the illusion of your drawing being a solid, voluminous mass.

>>2278659

You don't want to smudge. Generally you would do it in passes. You'd do a middle tone over the whole thing, and then darken the shadows going over it in passes. For the lights you would just erase away a bit of the tone. Just press lightly with each pass over an area, and add/erase a consistent amount of tone across it. Don't focus too much on small areas at a time. Start with the overall tone shapes, and do details like complex highlights and edges towards the end.

As a side not, don't underestimate how long the skull took in your diagram to apply value. I imagine that took a very, very long time, and a lot of practice. Your sketch has measurement errors besides. If I were you I'd just focus on getting an accurate drawing, and maybe just do some simple hatching to show the form. Practice your shading on simple forms and work your way up to crazy medical anatomy diagrams. Don't feel bad about not being able to copy everything exactly out of these books, no one expects you to do anything like that unless your years deep into some serious training. Do what you can for now, and just try to keep your drawings accurate while describing form in whatever simple way you manage. Don't be afraid to simplify a little. Generally you'd apply detail to a simplified sketch anyways and work your way up from there.

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Some feedback please

>>2278603
>that label on the beer bottle
I laughed.

>>2278713
Fag

>>2278626
yeah, thanks

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>>2278694
Flat

>>2275821
oh god why. why is this so off putting

he looks sexy and strong

>>2278830
it's those damn sexy bedroom eyes and pose anon...