DRAW THREAD

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>>2274105
So, we had this pic (pic related), in last thread, but you, Firez, chose to post that one for drawthread header, for some reason. Well, that's just great, isn't it.
Hidden hands, boring gesture, plain face, just lines.

>>2274113

>hurrdurr why didn't you post my pic that i was so proud of hurrrr

fuck off faggot.

>>2274117
What a rational response.

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>>2274105
It's about time you do some figure drawing, please keep doing this but next time draw the entire figure hand feet and all.

>>2274113
Girez is jani senpai for ic. He's boss hog around these parts, know your place or Ricardo will have to ban you.

Why does people feel the need to complain about the OP picture of every fucking thread on /ic/? it's literally nothing more than a picture to put in the OP. No one gives a shit, >>2274113 it's not like you will get world famous because your image is in the OP. If you have time to be a salty fucking mongrel, you're not spending enough time gitting gud.

>>2274117
lol, I don't post here, I only lurk, but I just remembered that being one of the more beautiful posts in the last thread, and as such, why not be the header, instead of that monstrosity. I mean, the pic I posted has elegance, some sort of a story, nice colours- it's interesting to look at, it's more than an obvious practice so to say.
The Firez one is everything but that. If you want to raise the quality of the draw threads, maybe start with how you advertise or introduce them.

>>2274130
Lurk more, nobody cares what's on the OP unless they do it out of a funpost.

>>2274131
I have lurked for about two years actually, but if you want to change /ic/ for the better, then the smallest changes do make a difference. As such, putting a higher level header- this means that nonbeginners know that there is someone better here that can help them. Also if you put, subjectively ofcourse, the best picture in the last thread as the header, this can be seen as a little bonus, which would make people post more- and post better stuff even.

>>2274135
I've used my own drawing before and they where absolutely terrible yet nobody made a fuss about it they continued posting and went on their way like usual despite having way better artists than I; to reiterate nobody cares.

>>2274137
well keep on trucking then, but it just seems that there are simple ways to boost this place. Such as the draw thread template was, which pointed out the posting rules very quickly, but people just kinda slooged over it and didn't start using it.

>>2274113
>>2274135

First time I agree with a thread pic discussion. We don't want newcomers coming to this board, looking at this shitty animu sketch on the cover of the Draw Thread and thinking "yes, this is where I should post my shitty animu drawings".

This is not representative of the thread or the quality we should be aiming for.
What, you can't put your ego aside for one moment to choose a better pic for the thread?

>>2274163
>"yes, this is where I should post my shitty animu drawings".

>Muh sekreet cool kidz club!

This is an age old argument hence the reason why the animu threads started in the first place.

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>>2274163
brian reporting in. if you guys want i could start a new draw thread. i already have an image ready

>>2274171
Nobody cares, this isn't a big deal.

>>2274173
nobody here gets my sense of humor and that makes me sad :/ also who cares though.

stop treating threads on /ic/ like they are works of art that have to be curated and represent the best art and intellectual conversation humanity has to offer you fags

>>2274113
Don't forget showing early stages of pregnancy, apparently firez's new fetish.

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>>2274178
There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting aroused by a young fertile female that's been knocked up recently.

>>2274130

stfu you post 24/7 you autistic retard. if you are not spamming your mercwip shit you are having extended conversations with yourself about how amazing your work is lmao.

>>2274171
Please fucking do. Firez was such a fag starting this thread, while the other one was only on page 2. I know it was in auto sage but it still had time for way more discussion and there were people who had just posted shit. He just did it so he could beat anyone else to it and it's painfully obvious. Besides there are people who filter trips, I would prefer the op be neutral so people can see it. I also don't want the entire thread to be shit up with people arguing about him and we can already see it starting.

>>2274176
Then don't expect to ever reach a rank of "best art and intellectual conversation humanity has to offer".
As someone once said, don't remember who, "If you are the smartest person in the group, you are in the wrong group." The best way to get better is to be amongst people who are better than you- how does this come into play? Well ofcourse in the dialogue that is held between the members, which is horrible here. Circlejerking and calling eachother fags is stagnation, so enjoy that if you like it I guess. All of the useful input that is in this place, is always well put into words, isn't "herpy" and is thought out.

>>2274171
>>2274185
Oh wait a second, I didn't see you were that other fag. Fuck, you're even worse than Firez. Guess this next thread is doomed to drown in faggotry no matter what.

>>2274131
Not true. The OP pic belongs as the header of a stylization or a porn thread header.

>>2274113
Did you even notice that the last draw thread "header" is merely a very poor doodle
>>2271358

So please fuck off

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>>2274171

>>2274208
That's still better because at least it incites no anger. Everyone's going to be bitching through the whole fucking thread now because of the trip fag.

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>>2274213

>>2274214
>at least it incites no anger

You must be new here.

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Does anyone know how the top left cast shadow would lay?

>>2274216
Not a single person complained about the op image last thread or the other one that just had a sign for an op.

>>2274105
Dear Troll: I'm glad you accepted the fact that you don't draw at all, even so I suggest trying to spend your time in a productive way, your sorry attempts at trolling me and others, samefagging, and acting like a brat are just not productive and you will probably regret it later when you stop being underage.

The only reason I sometimes make DTs is because the old ones are far into auto-sage, there is this tacit agreement of using our own drawings therefore I use whatever I'm doing at the moment for that purpose, I've repeated this several times hopefully you will get it by now.

Also fwiw OP is something I did from imagination, using a cellphone, during lunchtime, I also started working in a new song a song and even now I'm practicing my 2nd language (incidentally thanks to you).

So if you hate me that much try to come up with something better than what I'm currently doing or just continue going down through your pathetic path.

Regards!

>>2274121
I've been doing FD almost daily ever since 5-6 months ago, OP is imaginative and I ran out of time to do the rest but if I decide to continue it I will make it much more proper.

>>2274221
So it was a troll post? Even better,I say we report this thread and keep using the old one until it's lower in the catalogue, then actually make a new thread.

>>2274221
>Also fwiw OP is something I did from imagination, using a cellphone, during lunchtime, I also started working in a new song a song and even now I'm practicing my 2nd language (incidentally thanks to you).

I dgaf about the op image but holy shit buddy you're so full of yourself.

>>2274208
The thing is, if the image is just the title, no one cares, but if you are going to display a drawing, chose a good one, one to represent the thread.

>>2274221
There isn't "a troll" picking on you, Firez, and no one cares if you made this sketch with your asshole, and I wouldn't be surprised if you told me you did. You need to understand this is the face of the thread, and your ego doesn't let you not use it to display your shitty drawings. That's what people are calling you out on.
I am saying this as a guy who didn't understand people hating on you until now.

>>2274244
Does this really bother you faggots? What the OP image is? Who's ego is inflated? Now I understand why the repetitive Sakimichan/Kr0n threads are made is because of the unfathomable butthurt you faggots have.

>>2274244
>I am saying this as a guy who didn't understand people hating on you until now.
This, so much. I've gotten into huge arguments with people defending him only to realize what I thought was aloofness in the face of haters was actually all ego. When I saw how he deflects real feedback the same as shitposts I finally understood, and I regretted ever sticking up for him. I still wouldn't be surprised if it actually was a troll who posted this op instead of him but it's not exactly out of character and it just serves to ruin the thread every single time. If he actually cared about these threads as much as he claimed he would put ego aside as you said and let someone else make threads, since it causes so much trouble, but I guess he thinks he has a point to prove.

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>>2274083
It's supposed to be "Sketch Dailies," so I think I've sketched enough for the day.
I'll try and come back tomorrow for more, though. Despite drama, these threads are nice.

>>2274230
>>2274244
>>2274257

>Samefaging this hard

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>>2274260
not really though

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>>2274260
>being this much of an idiot

>>2274250

Yeah, I never get why all that heat.

Just draw guys, stop pointing fingers and shitposting and JUST DRAW. Leave the shitpost for the shit threads.

>>2274276
A thread made from a shit post is fated to be shit posts.

>>2274208
Yes but that disproves none of my points, so? I could have said the same to the earlier draw thread aswell, but as I said, I dont post much.

>>2274221
>accuses every non third-world dickrider of trolling
>hides hands/feet after figure drawing "almost daily" 5+ months
>still can't into facial perspective
>had enough time to make a thread and blog in it, but couldn't finish OP image without making excuses
That's our firez!

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>>2274217
I guess I'll just rock with this. Crazy how just a little tweaks in value and hue can change things

>>2274357
you shitter.

>>2274221
> I also started working in a new song a song
>a new song a song

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Most of the inking is done, besides any tweaks I feel to make, now I gotta wait to buy some more markers for the fire.

>>2274454
Too much white line and the background too blurry. Stay with the same type of brush

>>2274499
Lookin good dude, even just making the letters clearer helped a lot.

>>2274244
>if you are going to display a drawing, chose a good one, one to represent the thread.
The tradition before we even had the animu thread was to slap the words Draw Thread on whatever you were working on, not pick something to represent some arbitrary quality for the thread. We're all shit here anyways.

As long as we have the copypasta, a link to the previous thread, and draw thread in the title and the image so that people can find it easily, it doesn't matter who makes the new thread. You're free to make the next when this starts autosaging. I don't know about this thread, but the old thread was deep into autosaging the last time friez op'ed. If that's consistent, you have plenty of time to make the next new thread.

We've been through this shitposting cycle forever now. He won't drop the trip, and he won't avoid making a draw thread. Having this redundant argument everytime it happens is more on the rest of you, as firez hasn't done anything different than h! would have done when he made 90% of the ops.

>chose a good one, one to represent the thread.
Where were you in the last draw thread? That one didn't even have a drawing and here you are getting rustled at the site of a trip.

>>2274515
Thanks man, I think the ink work for the letters is a little shotty though.

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hope everyone can see this, how is my construction?

>>2274221
firez i said this before, your music isnt good. focus on your art if you think youre ever going to make it.

>>2274530
Are you going for realism? If so, it's still too undefined in most places, and cartoonish in others, like the buildings. A lot of the people seem stunted, but it's hard to tell whether that's because their bodies are actually too short or their heads are just too big. The perspective is questionable right now, the right side looks like it's tending towards a fish-eye curve. Overall looks pretty good so far but depending on what kind of style and finish you're aiming for, it might need more tightening up.

>>2274516
Forgot your trip, bud

>>2274560
I'm not your bud, guy

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>>2274547
Definitely needs tightening up but heres one I did in the same sorta style Im going for, in the crime mood lately not sure why. I can't wait to redo these with a tablet.

Also sorry about my phone camera.

>>2274565
Of course not. I'm white. :^)

>>2274567
Well, hate to say it but your drafstmanship still looks pretty unskilled. I don't feel this is great blend of stylization informed by reality, you'll just need more practice. I'd recommend you study anatomy breakdowns, perspective, and foreshortening to bring your construction up to a more solid level.

>>2274577
Thanks! finally something constructive.

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>>2274585
Hey, as with anything in art, persistence is key! In all seriousness though, glad I could help.
When you're looking at anatomy breakdowns and foreshortening, an important factor is going to be "drawing through" figures, like the dotted lines in pic related. Basically you give yourself guidelines that show the entire form, then just keep the clean contour lines after you've gotten the shape down. Good luck, anon.

I feel like maybe I need to do a study, but nothing in the study thread really interested me. Anyone have a suggestion? It doesn't have to be a person. It doesn't even have to be something real, I'll cobble together references or something, I need to practice that too.

>>2274597
you should draw your hands. nothing is better practice than drawing hands from life, unfortunately. getting better is pretty boring.

>>2274613
Mmm, I'm kind of looking for something a little more challenging. That and I don't like drawing myself.

>>2274626
How about ships,or organs.

>>2274631
A ship could be cool. Speaking of organs I was gonna see if there were any Bloodborne requests on /v/.

>>2274635
Oh that would be a good one, I havn't got to play Bloodborne yet though. Go for it, but organs would be a good choice helps you learn more on texture of things you draw.

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>>2274105

>>2274626
>looking for something a little more challenging
why dont you do some drawings of your hand and we'll tell you whether or not your up for something "a little more challenging"

>>2274626

Try a still life painting, they're fun to do. Just grab some interesting stuff and dump it on a cloth, look at it and paint it.

>>2274654
Nah, I'm pretty sure on that.
>>2274655
I was thinking of doing that but I just frankly didn't feel like getting up and looking around and setting things up. I know that sounds awful but I'm just not feeling well at the moment.

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Don't know what kind of shoes to make yet.

>>2274667
blog?

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It's awful

>>2274667
CLAW FEET

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>>2274667
Ain't no Claw feet, but fooled with them some...and I got nothin.

>>2274677
Looks cool, maybe add little claw toes to the front would bring the arm design and leg designs closer together, I like what you did though

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>>2274679
SAI had a stroke and I can't get it back open, so had to use MS paint real quick.

>>2274670
4xiszero.tumblr

>>2274675
Mmm...maybe

>>2274677
Yeah I like that design, but want something to break with the shining armor, would be too much otherwise.

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c/c appreciated

>>2274688
If that's your personal desire anyway. That's just my opinion lol, I love the design either way.

>>2274642
There's no way the elbow can be directly behind the back. I just torqued my shoulder trying

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>>2274688
Alright man well thats all I got right now, hope I at least gave you some ideas to what you're looking for, best of luck man your works kickass.

>>2274695

Mate you're just inflexible. You can get the arm quite far back especially if you use your other arm to pull it.

I don't suppose anyone here has some Bloodborne or Blizzard Ent things they'd like to see drawn? /v/ is mostly interested in lewd stuff.

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Trying things

>>2274714
How about the Blood Starved Beast from Dark Souls looming over a partly eaten dead cleric or something.

>>2274572
no reference

>>2274719
Okay, I want to put a hunter in it so I think I'll have her facing down the BSB or something like that. Thanks for the suggestion anon.

>>2274130

Hi. I painted the image you are referring to. It wasn't actually the header image of the thread. I also started the previous draw thread. An image with text that says "Draw Thread" is fine. Maybe a cartoon too. The one that we currently have is appropriate. You don't need a special image to make a draw thread, you just need an image that tells you what kind of thread you're posting in, so people have an easy time finding the draw thread in the catalog, or on the first page. In most cases, the image is secondary to the links, which are very important, and provide crucial resources for people who have never drawn, want to learn, are learning, or just forgot to bookmark that one link they liked so much.

I shouldn't be making responses like this. I am sorry for taking up space in the thread.

>>2274716
The placement of the highlight and the shadow core on the face of the building makes it look convex, despite that it would appear your intention was to make a concrete/sandstone rectilinear building. To remedy this, remove the highlight and tone down the reflected light on the opposing side of the face. Also, the stairs are flat and lack depth, when compared to the texture heavy and perspectival beach contour (looks good). Let the region of the stairs that are behind the foundation of the building they are leading up to, be cast in a soft shadow, and maybe remove the ambient glow around the lower window adjacent to the stairs on the back building. The little tower, although I understand its compositional intention, to contrast the large and not quite wider than it is tall building with a small, taller than it is wide building, looks more like, pardon my candor, a dog's penis than a stone pillar with a beige roof. Textures mostly aren't working that well because your colors appear poorly thought out, rushed, disorganized, or even lazy. An example of lazy could be that you used the same saturated gold hue from the highlights on the green brush for the moss creep on the wall. The effect at the bottom portion of the building looks like fire being sprayed from a thrower, and the rest looks like gold leaf that was brushed off of another project and fell onto this one. It doesn't have depth and rests on the surface of the picture rather than being embedded in the face of the wall. Even making it darker would help, although I would suggest a different color of patina, a fuller texture that compliments possibly scattered suggestions of stonework. You nailed the light on the roof, oddly enough. It's the perfect value when set against the value of the sky. Clouds are not random, they are self-similar. Also, the horizon line relative to the observer's frame of reference is pleasing.

>>2274221
>guys I made that one with my hands tied, blindfolded, 10 dogs trying to hump me at once, and an earthquake was currently going on
Come on that's pathetic dude. Be a man.

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Keep working on my Maojesus. I have the feeling that proportions are a bit off.

>>2274792
Work under direct light and open your windows. Seems a tad bit dark in there

>>2274667
N-N-NNNNOOOO

you covered that nice bush, undo, undo

>>2274801
Yeah kinda. I took this pic this morning tho, worked during the night.

>>2274714
Can you draw Malthael from Diablo 3? Just him, I don't care what he's doing. I love his design.

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I'm trying to design a sort of organic, ornate looking mask like face, but I can't seem to be able to land on a design that I actually like. On the other hand, I would like it to be relatively clean, and "statuesque" in look, but at the same time, I want it to look organic in nature, and I keep failing at combining those two aesthetics.

I would appreciate any tips.

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Current piece I started today, please give me crits anon.

>>2274857
Make sketches until you find something you like

>>2274865
Great stuff, hair on neck looks distracting, though. Other than that, its amazing.

>>2274872
you forgot the lips that are in a different plane

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>>2274876
I don't see it, maybe this is at the wrong position but the lips are fine.

>>2274880
Good catch, thank you and thanks for the kind words.

>>2274876

What so you mean by this exactly? Im not satisfied with the lips yet

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>>2274885
I'm not >>2274876 but I agree with him. The lips right now are modeled as if they're on the same plane as the rest of the face; on flat cylinder. That's not right. From that angle we should be seeing the full volume of the lips, especially the lower since the view is a downward angle. The far corner of the mouth is off as well as a result of being coplanar.

>>2274885
Don't you see the wrinkles are flat.
The shading of them is also flat, suggesting they are either sharp corners or just flat.
They don't look round at all.

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>>2274880
that part of the entire face is fucked
the shadow is misplaced, nostrils are fucking tiny and thoese lips are not lined up.

>>2274849
That is a pretty sweet ass design. The Bloodborne thing ended up being too much invention, not enough 'study', this seems like it'd work out better. I'll sketch him in a little while, I'm supposed to be asleep right now.

>>2274897
This guy's showing you the problem. It stars with the philtrum, the divot under the septum.yours is drawn to the right side of her face, as if her mouth is shifted rightward while she frets or ponders something difficult. It's as if you drew it wrong after laying out the nose and mouth. If she's really fretting and pulling her mouth to the side, there'd be cheeks tightened, muscles along the crease of the upper lip to nose, under the right eye...

However, you could fix the philtrum and the lips would stand fine. Your actual mouth is fine and lays correctly on the face, the lips either need a slight moderation of the heavy shadow between them, or a bit more modeling of them to make it look like they're slightly parted. Soften the 'peaks' on the upper lip going into the philtrum, though.

No, your actual problem is that your eyes are cocked to each other. The left eye lays at a significantly more rotated position than either the right eye, or reality allows, short of reconstructive surgery. Whoever did this side-by-side tried to show you some of that, and they've more or less corrected the lay of the upper lid. I think they closed the outer edge aa bit too much, and he destroyed the shit out of the under-eye cheek modeling you did for no good purpose, but they're also right about the way you rendered the bridge of the nose going into the lower forehead and brow ridge, that's part of what canted the eye.

All of these things can be fixed, or accounted for in a redraw.

>>2274827
K-keep your eyes healthy a-anon-kun

>>2274872
What to do when you don't like any of the sketches you make?

>>2274937
you make more sketches

>>2274897
weird how obvious it becomes when you rotate the face

>>2274909
>philtrum

I tried my hardest to remember this word and failed

>>2274939
Been doing that for a while now, with no results that I like. I feel like I am hitting my head against a wall by continuing.

>>2274254
pretty nice, got a blog?

>>2274897
Left is better imho desu senpai

>>2274865
pretty bad for a photocopy, also >using grids
can you try harder please?

>>2275035
Really nice! Don't the daughter's legs are a bit thin tho?

>>2275060
Thanks! Yes, now when you say so, she kinda looks a bit malnourished with those thin legs.

>>2275035
also there doesnt seem to be enough space there for her other arm

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hey its me the gorilla man again I changed the face what do you think?

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I somehow managed to draw on something worse then toilet paper, had to be extra careful... But it didn't turn out too bad, i hope.

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>downsized to around 1000 pixels wide
>>2276104
Well, shit. I resized it, and uploaded the wrong one. Fucking amazing.
Here's a reupload.

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I think I am finally getting into something slightly decent here bros

>>2275114
It's flat. Think in term of volums and shapes rather than lines. Arm shortcut is wrong aswell.

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>>2275080
>what do you think?
I think you need to Draw. Some. Gorillas.

>>2275114
>>2275126
posted too fast. I think you should try to understandhow to draw a proper gorilla before trying to caricature it.

>>2274967
you blind bro?

>>2275126
That is the drawing, I am trying (more like struggling) to create the values and add volume to it

>>2275134
I did study a gorilla face to make the adjustments like the nostrils and the eyes, it is not however and actual gorilla, hence the monster teeth

>>2275138
What is wrong with it?

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forgot pic

>>2275134
those large shadowed areas that leave your mind to do the work are so fucking beautiful.

>>2274943
Latin term, comes from the same root as Philter, like a perfume or scented oil... The story goes that the Romans used to put the perfumes they wanted to smell under their own nose, so everyone found everyone else pleasant to smell, even though they probably weren't.

I teach art, so I try to use the right terms most of the time, but I didn't want to overwhelm the artist I was critiquing. Better to get one or two terms at a time.

>>2275148
>What is wrong with it?
Not him but, everything. You don't know how to draw well enough to make this look as impressive as you want it to be. The only advice I can really give you right now is to just finish it, make it look as good as you can, then move on and work harder on your studies, namely observational drawing.

>>2275148
I hate to sound like a dick, but 'it's not really an X therefore the thing you're finding fault with isn't really wrong', is the sort of bullshit copout that you get over in your first year at art school, or you get out of art school. You wanted an ape-like beast. You draw an ape, then you modify it. If you want larger lower canines, then you draw a gorilla's, and you modify the jaw, tooth size and placement to accommodate the larger tusks. I'd suggest smaller incisors and premolars, or a longer/wider jaw and bite, or a third option would be to cant the incisors forward and push them outward in a curve... but you start with the ape. Make a jaw too much bigger and you need to adjust the neck, and the shoulders, then the ribs and so on throughout the body, depending on ridiculously you enlarge shit.

>>2275156
>I teach art,
Good thing you don't teach English.

>>2275150
looks like a couple kissing from the thumbnail

>>2275174
Read my post twice, can't find an error to upset you. Explain?

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drew some characters from critical role.

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>>2275184

>>2275074
Yepp, I realise it to late.

>>2275114
>>2275107
>>2275104
>>2274792
>>2274658
>>2274171

beginner thread is somewhere else

>>2274674
Could I have some critique on this please?

>>2275072
Not only they are too thin, but they are also too close

>>2275286

im just preparing to understand ultimate squirrel girl's art style.

>>2275104
>>2275107
I refuse to believe the spider has puss puss.
Don't sexualize the spider.

>>2274674
No, it's good, I like it.

>>2275380
Thanks, anon.

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>>2274947
http://roccobandito.tumblr.com/

>>2275035
cool

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I'm working on a Pin Up! Its still rough but thought its early enough to get some effective feedback in. I want it to be realistic-ish but still stylized enough to have some base appeal...

Anyone with a word of help? Its really appreciated.

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something something

>>2275466
i like your something, someone!

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Rough attempt at designing an hourglass tattoo. First time with ink too. Planning on redrawing. Any suggestions?

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>>2275422
Her lower legs look like they're closer at the knees than heels, which makes it look like she's pinching something flat rather than straddling a cylinder.

if you extend the lines formed by her shin bones through her heels, they should cross. Right now they cross in front of her knees.

>>2274674
everything pelvis and below looks to small. Or he's malformed AND skipping leg day. No wonder he has demons.

Pic related is 338 minutes. Spent most of today working on the left line+bottom. On the last look of the night I realized they're too far in. I can't keep my hands still and this is very frustrating.

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>>2275476
The neat effects made by the random movement of the ink washes will be difficult for all but the best attoo artists to replicate.

>>2275481

>>2275035
The forms are all reading well but the lighting is inconsistent. There isn't any back light coming from the windows and there's too much bounce light for what's ultimately a dim indoor scene.

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Tear me apart.

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Alright, calling these done.

>>2275476
really really like this man, if you could improve those top/bottom curves would be really sick.

>>2275134
this is pretty cool, from who is it ?

>>2274819
Kek

>>2275586
>from who is it ?
Alex Ross, comic illustrator and graduate of Watts Atelier. Those are sketches of Gorilla Grodd, a character from DC comics.

>>2275586
Oh this is some nice stuff.
Anywhere I can find your work?

FiRez makes the draw thread for the xxxx'th time.

Some people have more than 1 hobby, lol.

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Boob practice. Thoughts?

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I'm experimenting with things.
How's this block in? I know the back arm is messed up, I'll fix it. But how about the color and appearance of the lighting? Should I actually put in those ribbons attached to the pole or no? Other thoughts?

>>2275648
>>2275647
You're both pretty good!

>>2275649
What really?? Mine is so messy, I was just expecting to be told off. Thanks, anon. Mine is the Link one. I forgot to ask if anyone had any ideas for an actual background, over the blue square. Everything's on separate layers so I can still put something in.

>>2275652
I personally like the Volcanic Hollow a lot. But you'd have to warm up your palette a bunch.

>>2275654
I'd never heard of that, is that a map in Monster Hunter? That's all that really seems to come up when I search it. And yeah that's on the total opposite end of the spectrum. That would be a good exercise though, to paint something in one temperature and see if you can change it to another.

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ded? its ded aint it

>>2275558
strictly the sticky

>>2275586
>06/09/19
fuckin time travelers man

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>>2274254
>>2275421

'mirin them apples bruh

how long do these normally take you?

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Critiques please

>>2275481
Is this a meme?
You spent 338 minutes on 2 lines?

>>2275921
Please go to beginner thread, holy shit

>>2275921
omg anon this took you an hour and a half? ooomgg youre soo good, what resources are you using. i like those lines

>>2275932
Care to elaborate on why?

>>2275933
Resources as in references or actual tools?

>>2275921

You have to work some more on your proportions before trying to do foreshortened poses. Or at least use reference for it.

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>>2275933
Nice bait.

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>>2275184

>>2275422
>want to look realistic
>slaps exaggerated tumblr face assets

>>2275934
>shit perspective
>shit anatomy
>shit shading
>symbol drawing
>shit lineweight
>shit drapery
>shit hands
>shit face construction
>shit figure
Literally everything

>>2275930
Not a meme. But those lines were like 35-45 min, the whole thing is 338. Also there's 4 lines in the left+bottom.

>>2274747
great critique!

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Please. My Anatomy (specifically male anatomy) Is really garbage and I'm starting to notice a trend of this.
Can someone Please Crit/Redline/Destroy me so I stop getting this so wrong. :C

His chest is sunken, I don't know how to define abs and also express taut skin stretching/squishing across the surface of the body, my lighting is garbage, but I've resketched it several times to try to re-establish the rib cage and pectorals while examining anatomy reference but it always looks just as garbage.
Just... help... please.

>>2275184
>>2275186
You drawing these for a DnD campaign?

>>2275591
oh that's from ross, shit no wonder it was "pretty cool"...

>>2275596
thank you, 4xiszero.tumblr

>>2275858
I need to git gud with numbers man.

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Refining this. Trying to get the perspective on the weapon and just in general is such a bitch. I should've done a tighter sketch, probably going to abandon this.
>>2276132
I like what you're doing with the muted colors anon. Then again I don't know much about color myself. It's funny because the anatomy you asked about, the chest and shoulder area, is an area I also struggle with so I'd attempt a redline but I'm not sure it'd actually do you any good. Maybe look for some reference?

>>2276132
How is the body positioned their left shoulder is out too far in response to the rest of the body. Figure out how the body is sitting place the shoulders and add weight to the chest afterwards the pecs aren't the only place there are issues

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>>2276132
i don't know enough about anatomy to give you any specific advice. just find some photo references in a similar pose, as well as examples from artists you like to see how they've handled it.

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could someone please help me. if I was going to put a reflection on the glass they locks are looking through, what would they look like. I can't into reflections. if that's asking for too many hints, does anyone have any advice for how to go about making a reflection with hatching and pens? maybe some drawings that are examples of that?

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Trying LumiShade for the first time...
Any thoughts?

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>>2276132

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>>2275896
this one took 3 the 2nd one took about 2

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hello im new here pls what do you think? this was my first time doing any painting, pls be gentle, also yes its a bob ross paiting and i tried to do it as he did.

>>2276338
m....m...Marry Me?

>>2276338
Seriously. Please.
Or at least tell me where I can follow your work.
Because I'm going to cherish this redline for the rest of my life as a valuable resource.

>>2276338
damn son
gib links

>>2276345
well well well
Someone has been watching Bob Ross on twitch

>>2276345
Needs more happy little bushes.

>>2276345
You drew an almighty mountain! Not too sure about that sky, but I guess in painting, it's your world - you can do anything you want.

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I'm starting in grayscale but I'm still unable with the values. What went wrong?

>>2276379
>>2276377
>>2276371

no bully pls, kapa

>>2276385
Ruined

>>2274254
>>2276344

>vagina nutella
>"wtf, where did this came from?"
>go back to previous drawing
>find hidden penis

gr8 studies, gr8 easter eggs

>>2276380
No highlights on the dragon itself. You have some, but not the little bits that really make the little details pop. Getting there though

>>2276390
did you notice the "FUCK FUCK FUCK"?

>>2276408
Yes, I did. The name of the pic was a nice touch also

>>2274716
This looks good, my only advice other than cleaning it up with more refined brush strokes, is that I think it would look MUCH better if you lightened up the sky. Lighten the sky maybe 10% or so, then you'll have more tonal range to work with on your building. You could further the contrast between the light striking the right side of it and the shadowed left side.

TLDR the sky is 99% of the time brighter than the brightest element in the picture.

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This is very early. I'm cannibalizing the character from a picture I started and dropped months ago. Originally she was kneeling so I've had a hard time working her into a standing pose.

I'm thinking she's leaning in a doorway, it's going to be dark behind her where maybe you can see some like bodies or something creepy, or broken down robots that she's plugged herself into.

I DUNNO

>>2274690
Nice values... but you can push it [details, rendering, edges] even further!

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I'm 18 and I draw like this; will I ever make it to the top?

Also, critique pls

>>2275035
He looks too short. If that's a train behind him, his eye level is, at most, level with the bottom of one of those windows. Otherwise looks great

>>2276464
It just occured to me that maybe the train is raised. I was thinking it was like a skytrain or something and thus low to the floor. Either add something to show scale in the background or make that guy taller than three feet.

>>2276423
Dude I'm loving the metal work you got going on the torso, I could take some good notes from that, for now pleeeease continue this piece I gotta see more.

>>2276423
>nonsensical mech shit
Kill yourself.

>>2276449
Truthfully your better then I was 18, just keep on going and keep on trying harder anon, I can see some great things coming from you in the following years.

>>2276479
I will never stop drawing, and the more I draw the more flaws I see in my work. It feels horrible :/

>>2276482
I think I actually had the same issue around your edge seeing more flaws, now this could mean that you should dedicate more time per day into your works to change up your success/ failure ratio, or your learning all this new grounds and realizing the mistakes you were making, think of it like growing pains....then again I could be spouting complete garbage to you ask tend to do sometimes, but take what I say however Ya like man.

>>2276491
Thanks for the advice man, I wish I get to the professional level some day

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>>2276482
Get to know that feeling. It's the feeling of progress, and he's a good friend.

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>>2276503
it feels horrible

>>2274747
>>2276418

>>2275470

Thanks guys, really appreciate it. The longer first crit in particular! These are all just sort of throwaway sketches and experiments in workflow and what not

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>>2276535
Could be worse.

>>2276541
True, I could be >>2262146

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>>2276344

Aight cheers

>>2276476
I'm assuming you're trolling? IF not, I'm all ears for any advice.

>>2276475
Check out Aaron Beck's work if you haven't already. I think he's the best robo-arist out there

>>2276591
>Ever Since I left this board, I've been scared to come back
What's the matter, big boi? u scared of us?

>>2276573
don't worry about time. you're thinking about how light is interacting with the apple which is good, but you aren't making use of the full value range. You're spending too much time looking at the canvas and not enough at the apple. The more time you spend looking at the apple the more it will reveal itself to you, and you'll be able to see the apple for what it really is easier in future studies. I can tell by the study that there would be shitloads of good subsurface scattering and really nice glaze from the bounce light but you aren't putting it there. It's like you're trying to tell me about this super hot chick you fucked but when it comes to details you're only telling me about how great her shoulder plates are.

>>2276591

I like the colors and the lighting on the face. The construction looks shoddy on the gun and in some other places. It's interesting that your lighting is way better than the construction; for me it's the opposite.

You probably got shit on because you seem like an attention whoring baby. You could have left off the first sentence of your post and the watermark. IMO there are many people here who are more technically proficient than you, so it's not necessary.

>>2276596

I was worried that I wasn't thinking critically enough while doing all these still lives, I guess I was right, thanks for the advice

>>2276585
I'll give it a look I've been wanting to expand my ability to draw machinery.

>>2276607
you scared him the fuck away dude
rude, to be honest

>>2276624

If that was enough to scare him away, then he could use some constructive criticism for his attitude as well as his work. In the long run he would benefit from some thicker skin.

To show that I'm not all talk, and since I cost this thread one hot assault elf, I'll post my own in 20-30 minutes, then you can all shit on me instead. If nothing else you'll see what I mean about my construction being way better than my lighting.

>>2274402
it wouldn't curve up, that's for sure.

>>2274402

Is he holding a lantern? It depends on where the light's coming from; I think the stairs are more consistent because it's mostly diffuse.

The color palette for the floating spirit is wonderful, by the way, but if emits light directionally shouldn't there be more variance on the roof intensity?

>>2276633
>To show that I'm not all talk, and since I cost this thread one hot assault elf, I'll post my own in 20-30 minutes


shits about to get real boys

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Any help is appreciated! especially color and value

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>>2274105

>>2276642

need a time extension but it will be posted... sage

>>2276540

Hi. Longer first crit here. Some more things I noticed when attempting to revise the painting on my own.

-horizon lines should be more pronounced
-water should contrast the sky more. depends on the mood you're trying to strike. the mood now feels vaguely hospitable and uninterested. if you have a dark sky and bright waters you could imply or plainly illustrate a hurricane, and the building suddenly becomes either a safe haven, because in 20 seconds you're about to be tossed around by the wrath of god and you have nowhere else to go, OR the place could be completely dangerous because you were warned about the hurricane but just had to see it for yourself at that old creepy castle on the end of the peninsula. if you have a light sky, and dark water, you could imply a sense of safety from the building, dark waters would imply depth, so maybe it's filled with high tech monitoring equipment and the farthest outpost for you and your marine biologists to gather up before a dive. and the stubborn bureaucratic new guy at headquarters doesn't approve of the diver's cavalier's ways, even though they've been doing it their whole life after their father died in that tragic accident 50 miles up shore you see my point though.
-lighting on the mounds need more contrast. if those are mounds I need a direct light, a shadow core and a cast light, no exception. same goes for the water. if the direction of the light is from above, there need to be a shadow of minimum length that the terminator on it would not be seen within the frame of this image. the only time would the shadow be as diffuse would be if it were low light, while this light seems midday at latest.
-your midground shadows (the shadows on the building and mounds) could be about 40 points darker (brightness slider in ps) and the difference between the contrast of your midground objects and your background objects could be exaggerated as well.

>>2276449
Keep going, if you look at my shit from when i was 18: http://pre06.deviantart.net/aef2/th/pre/i/2007/153/3/f/nemesis_model_0_by_ricochet188.jpg

to now: http://img01.deviantart.net/9493/i/2015/216/4/e/the_twins_by_themichaelmacrae-d944ggb.jpg

at 25, not saying I'm a regular Virtuoso, but you can become "good" if you work at it in a surprisingly short time frame

>>2276675
Not a critique but I LOVE the hint of crimson in there, it's a really nice touch

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women: why are your bodies so complicated?

perspective is fucked, ye

>>2276675

A couple things

-remove color filter. it was popular about seven years ago on fashion ads, because gen X, who were entering pivotal points in their careers were growing reminiscent of the 60s popular imagery: polaroids, and light leaks. why were they growing reminiscent? because they were having kids, talking to their parents more, and thinking about their parents lives more. I don't think that's why you put a color filter on it, and I think you put the color filter on because you saw it as a trend and wanted a quick like or two.
-finish painting everything below the neck and the hair. you did not put nearly as much effort into the hair as you did the nostril of the nose.
-I have stated previously that exaggerating the size of a woman's eyes can be pleasurable. in this instance it is giving me the opposite feeling. she appears more alien like. I also would hope you fix, pay attention to, and work on in general more closely the woman's left eye, which you seem to have left in chicken-scratch mode, much like the state you left the foremost outside ridge of the ear. you accurately distributed the values of the ear, which are convincingly gradual and quite subtle, but you leave the ridge of it looking like a simple 63% circle brushstroke, rather than an ear.
-I will put as much effort into my criticism of the shoulders, the collarbones, the crease of the left arm and the chest, the hairline, the outline of the back of the hair, the highlights on the forehead, and almost all of the value transition with the exception of the tear through to the nasal bridge and the adjacent crease of the lower eyelid as you did.

simply put, although i would say you have made many mistakes, you are at least consistent in that all of your mistakes are essentially the same mistake, so if you fix it, you will be that much closer to achieving perfection. you're not as far as you might think from this critique, and when you get there, you won't need color filters.

>>2276677
if thats really you you're in desperate need of a writing workshop. you have this huge repository of techniques and no interesting ideas to use them on.

>>2276683

because you're trying to shoehorn them into your understanding of the male's anatomy. I can see you are making the same marks that you make to accent the musculature and creases in the male's body as you are the females. Solution: make your creases simpler, and give the mark a more gradual taper. we like have tight, consricting marks on men because it means there is more muscle and mass underneath the skin, or at least, there is very little between the muscle and the skin, low amount of subcutaneous fat deposits. this is what is considered masculine. biologically it is because they have more testosterone, since testosterone decreases body fat and increases muscle mass. on women, we expect to see the opposite, we expect to see the results of having less testosterone and androgen and more estrogen. we expect women to be softer, having a little more fat. we don't expect their muscles to be visible like a man's are. if you give her too many creases, well, then she just looks obese, and that's also not desirable.

>>2276694
yeah it requires confidence to shade female bodies, i dont have that yet. i'll get back to that sketch in the next days

>>2276701

Not a single part of my commentary was about you lacking confidence. You seem to have plenty of it, given how effortless your hatching is and your very clear mastery of fundamental human anatomy. Very few of your lines are awkward in the tell-tale manner that people who lack confidence generally draw their figures, the shoegazing postmodernists of the earth, which I doubt you are one of. You said, "women: why are your bodies so complicated?" My response was simple; because they aren't complicated. Men's bodies are complicated, not women's. If you want to make a body look like a woman's, you simplify it; less creases, less definition, more gradual tapering, more rounded forms and more gentle features.

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>>2276672
This 2hr wait is killing me

>>2276728

relax, senpai, I had to eat... the longer I spend and the greater your expectation, the more tears will be shed finally. I won't start anything else until it's posted, even if it's in the next thread.

(polite sage again)

>>2276728
What're we waiting on?

>>2276647
i like the colors

is he supposed to be looking directly at her? because right now it looks like hes looking at her right elbow. we should be seeing less of his face, rotate it more to the right.

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>>2276725
Thank you, those are very encouraging words. I do need more practice with the ladies. On men I can simply draw in muscles and edge away/reshape things that look jarring, with women I need to make sure that where I place a line or shadow is the correct spot beforehand. That's the confidence thing I meant.

>>2276687
wow, you are such a pretentious faggot.

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>>2276674

Man can i hit you up when i need a crit like that on a piece that is more than directionless experimentation? Almost makes me want to load that one up in ps and try to make something out of it.

>>2276777

he kind of is, but he pointed out a bunch of stuff I didn't notice at first (didn't make the picture though) so I didn't mind. if he didn't say anything useful at all, then it would be different.

>>2276692
I think this is why I like 4chan, everybody's honest... or at least not afraid to tell someone they suck. I get so many comments praising my shit on dA that it it starts to get to me, briefly, give me an honest opinion on what you think of my ideas and stuff plz

>>2276582
I think the idea and what you're going for with the mechshit is shit and generic, not the quality of your work.
It seems you have a pretty good grasp of your fundies. Only real issue I see with them is the pose itself. What's going on with those arms? If she's walking through, her right arm wouldn't be in that position but her hand would be twisted - her palm facing behind her and the top of the hand facing us assuming she went in right hand first to pull that open.

I don't know what's going on with her left hand though. She also looks slanted like she's about to tip over or something. Shoulders are a little small too don't you think?

>>2276777
nice trips.

>>2276784

You can contact me at [email protected] if you want a crit on a piece that is more than directionless experimentation. I do always browse this board daily.

>>2276791
if you want to start writing more cohesive, original ideas for your drawings the best advice I can give you is try to make yourself laugh.

write down a word, can be anything. Rabbit, running, spaceship, pretty. Then ask yourself questions about it

>Rabbit
>buckteeth
>has a lot of sex
>why would a rabbit have a lot of sex
>why would something with buckteeth have a lot of sex
>jumping
>sex while jumping?
>easter bunny
>who/why would the easter bunny have sex [with]?

and just keep writing and asking questions until either you come up with a funny answer to one of those questions, or you come up with a funny question to ask in your illustration.

That's usually how I do it. Either the question is a funny one to ask or the answer is a funny one to give.

And don't try to fool yourself. If something makes you genuinely laugh you deserve to make it because it is honest to your creative process, but if you haven't found something good enough yet keep digging until you do.

Something you have fallen victim to which I see on this board all the time is the idea that you have to create your own world in your artwork. It's not enough to draw a lion, it has to be YOUR lion. It has to have robot legs, and jetpacks, and a hammer from the god Khul'Hoth that only the true lion can wield.

don't do that. Make the joke dictate the design. If you have come up with a situation the lion can be in that demands he have the hammer of Khul'Hoth then go for it but nobody is that funny. It takes years of practice to be able to have a joke that consists of 3-5 parts and demands that kind of specificity. If you don't have a clever idea behind it it's honestly not worth doing unless you are just studying.

So try writing something like that. Keep writing until you laugh then go from there.

What is NOT mechshit? Can you provide an example of what you personally find to be just mech? Regarding this picture is it the idea behind it that you think is generic or just the fact that it's a robot lady in some sort of post apocalypse? Because I'll agree, PA is well trodden but for good reason obviously. As for the robo lady, I just want to tell a story that involves robots, one of them happens to be a woman.

For the pose I agree and I'm probably going to re draw her. I ripped her out of an old picture and thus the pose she was in doesn't work in this new context.

>>2276675
lips are off, pushed far out.

>>2276853
Holy shit I just did what I hate when people do: accepting advice and then immediately disregarding it with explanations that shrug off the advice.
didn't mean for it to come off like that.

>>2276853
What I mean is the design of the mechshit. It's almost identical to that asian guy who posts here sometimes - the one who got fucked over by Feng (Long? Lon? I forget). Except his is done with terrible photos. And it's not just him, a lot of artstation and facebook artfags do the same shit. It all looks so samey. So don't take it personally, it's just my distaste for that "style" of garbage.

It's hard to speak for the "story" behind the drawing. It could be generic, but if it's what you want then that's all that matters. This isn't literature or cinema - only so much can be conveyed in a single frame. I do think there should always be the lingering presence of restraint when doing these type of "story" paintings. I feel sometimes the inexperienced will try to cram as much shit into it to tell a story. Just stick with the necessities, but this is all besides the point and not related to what you asked.

>>2276840
This is good advice.

Maybe it's different but I feel like this mirrors a design methodology I sometimes think about. Like when someone is designing a character, they say to themselves: "how can I make this character design interesting?" So they immediately try to make up designs that are "cool" or "badass" and it winds up hyper generic, like a guy with a sword in a black outfit and dual pistols or something. I often think you have a good start to a design on your hands if your first reaction to it when it pops in your head is "that's fucking weird and I don't like it."

I don't really know where I'm going with that, just something I thought about.

Also, about world building. I'm not sure I see what you're getting at as to why that's a negative.

But anyway, I'll definitely keep this method in mind.

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>>2274105
you guys are helpful

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>>2276869
>Also, about world building. I'm not sure I see what you're getting at as to why that's a negative.

it's not a negative, it's just neutral. it's empty design. use this picture by jaime jones as an example of empty world building. when you strip away the millions of little details and look at the concept as a whole, it can be summed up as "giant". He took it as far as the kernel for an idea, and then threw some horns on it, made it furry, and called it a day, rather than exploring any of the myriad possible scenarios and associations you could make with a giant.

i think its hard to talk about this without providing my own example of what i think a good concept is.

>>2276278
is one I did today. The concept I took is the phrase "Bone to pick" and I extrapolated that into a lineup at a police station that involved a skeleton. Then I decided on who would be the victim of a crime by a skeleton and I decided a lock that was unlocked was funny, and that the idea of a skeleton key that was a real skeleton was also funny.

So "Bone to pick" and "Skeleton key" were the kernels of ideas I used to build into the concept using the writing method I described in my first post.

>>2276868
I did some searching, is it someone who got fucked over by Feng Zhu? I couldn't find any other Feng, either way I'm not sure who you're talking about.

Can you think of an artist who does sci fi stuff who's designs are good and one who's designs are bad?

I don't take this shit personally, no worries.

>>2276883
I see what you mean, this is why I often try to figure it out for myself rather than ask people vague "how make good art!?" esque questions.

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Yeah, it's a long story and I'm sure you'll come across it on /ic/ somedayif you ask around. Anyways, I found the guy for you. I couldn't find the exact pic I had in mind, but this is close enough. His mechanical design sensibilities remind me of what you did and I know I've seen it from other artists in the past trying to replicate his style or whoever "started" it.

Not really. I don't keep up with this stuff anymore. What I think is good and bad is irrelevant. My original post was just me talking shit.

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Rate my dragon thing

>>2276905
Cool idea, I like it! I feel like I'd go a little more hybrid and less on the nose of "cobra" with the head flaps, I'd make them thin and veiny like the skin between the wings usually is, and maybe some small horns along the rim. Something so it still says dragon first, and you get the hint of a cobra inspiration.

>>2276901
Ah yes... I know this guy... i reelly like his stuff :'(

Talking shit or not hard advice is good advice. I'll keep it in mind.

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How am I doing?

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>>2276683
That's actually not bad. Of curse, if those are drawn intentionally to be fitting for a fist of the north star kind of thing or porn.
If those are supposed to be regular bodies, I recommend to use body muscles as references.

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>>2276914
what the fuck am I seeing
That's all fucked up

>woah

>>2276914
beginner thread bud
>>2276905
6.8/10

>>2276905
kawaii/10

>>2276905
Asswings/10

>>2276915
thank you. i was going for some superhero physiques (in part since I don't have much experience drawing anything else), is that what you mean?

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Hey guys, these are my elves, what do you think? I've got more if you're interested.

These are some upper-class elves from Sur, most certainly the greatest coastal city of the South, and they're known for their vivid parties and celebrations.

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Hey, I need some crits before I go further on this.
Tell me what's wrong

inb4 everything

>>2277035
A lot of it looks pretty washed out. Is that supposed to be fog?

>>2277035
depending on perspective the shadow of the large right root is either way too narrow or has a wrong angle to your lightsource

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>>2276969
Yes
don't draw just 1 kind of body

>>2277042
what the fuck is that. She has no fucking pelvis

>>2277044
Pelvises are overrated.

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>>2277044
?

New thread:
>>2277050

Sorry to rush out a new one while this one is still on page 1, but I thought it would be best to make it before FiRez inevitably did.

>>2276278
Basically imagine the characters standing on the other side of the glass in the exact same position (but looking at the glass) at the exact same distance from the glass.

>>2276905
Bobby Chiu/10
i dig it

>>2277044
>>2277045
How else do you expect her to wear skinny jeans?

>>2276999
Voldemort/10

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Need help rendering the spiky shits above this thing's head; how would light coming from above the spectator behave?

>>2276999
ayy lmao

>>2277460
You've already basically rendered a sphere on his head. Match the values of the corresponding angles of the sphere. If it's a darker local color, make it overall darker. If it's more reflective, make the highlights more distinct, sharper

Think cylinders, when rendering if they're smooth

Is there a way to colorize a grayscale painting? If so, how?
Masks?

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Rate my rendering

>>2277460
>>2277649
You should ask the active thread:
>>2277050

>>2275558
no clear light source

Requesting gnome child with sniper in one hand, mountain dew can in other hand, MLG written on hat, and 3 blunts in mouth.

:Write MLG on given hat, nothing else.
Good luck my draw friends
>Challenge recommended for skilled drawers.

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>>2280075
Pic of gnome child