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Chernobyl's New Safe Confinement 2016-12-02 06:40:42 Post No. 2803152
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Since there has been major development, let's make a follow-up to last month's thread (http://archive.4plebs.org/hr/thread/2762093/).
November 28th, 2016.
The skidding finished on the 27th, and a ceremony was held on the 29th.
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Some videos.
A home-made timelapse of the whole skidding operation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvBy-kbK6IM
The story of the whole project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX-DCIyDeLo
Details on the last skidding operation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH1bv9fAxiY
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Here you can see the tilting panels that were open to avoid colliding with the existing structure during the skidding.
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Let's get to business. Pictures from inside the NSC.
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great videos and pictures, thank you
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>>2803152
thanks!
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>>2803152
Cool
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I made a 3-year timelapse of the construction from 2013 to 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tGh00yZwCU
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>>2803665
Nice one
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>>2803152
The "exclusion zone" has been safe for decades. There are villages of people who never left the zone during the evacuation, and they're all perfectly healthy - no cancer, no horrible deaths, no mutants or anomalies. The wildlife is actually more vibrant and robust after the "disaster" than before, with vegetables and fruit multiple times their normal size.
We should melt reactors down all over the planet, as it seems to do more good than harm.
THIS IS THE TRUTH THE JEWS ARE KEEPING FROM YOU
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November 29th, 2016
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>>2803152
>A home-made timelapse of the whole skidding operation
Aw yeah! I was waiting for this.
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>>2803665
Do you know why they added the paneling on top first? Why wouldn't they start at the bottom?
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November 30th, 2016
>>2805441
It's better to work close to the ground (less dangerous, easier access for workers and materials), so they did as much cladding as they could before each lift.
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December 1st, 2016
Back inside.
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was this meant to be airtight or just radiation shielding as they take apart the building?
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one more ?
do you think they will save the elephants foot?
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>>2806107
It'll be airtight.
>>2806110
I don't think there's any plan to do anything with the elephant's foot.
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>>2803152
thanks
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>>2803152
Going to be pretty hard to beat that last level in STALKER SoC now
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So is the reactor confined now? Are we safe yet?
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>>2807835
Was about to ask this
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>>2807835
We were pretty safe before already.
The new confinement is against radioactive dust that will be disturbed in a future demolition.
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>>2807890
What I meant was if the containment is already ready and properly placed, or if there's still stuff to do
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Why didn't they just blow up the old ruins? Why bother covering it?
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>>2808703
Not if they used nukes. If they nuked it, the radioactive material would be vaporized.
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>>2808704
I don't think that's how it works, unfortunately. Plus there are major cities within a 250 mile radius that would be affected by fallout.
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>>2803869
interesting. nice pics op, I've enjoyed seeing them.
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>>2808704
Are you trolling,
or just showing your american education ?
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>>2803152
Thanks for the pics OP, very interesting.
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>>2805441
Look at height of the cranes. When the building is up they can't reach the top. So they build the top part of the arch first, clad it, then jack it up to the correct height and add the sides.
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>>2808706
There wouldn't be radioactive fallout if they set the nuke off over the structure. If they used nuke that went off after entering the ground there would be fallout. A burst above would just vaporize the material.
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>>2808917
Just because it's vaporized doesn't mean it's gone
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>>2809086
A high degree nuclear explosion would counteract the radioactivity of the site.
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And that's the last I have for now.
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This is rather cool.
Thank you, OP.
I really appreciate that you took the time to snap these photos.
I presume you know that we would like some more?
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Why can't they just scoop up all the toxic waste and dump it in the ocean, where it will surely never come into contact with humanity again?
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>>2809646
The ultimate goal is to take this nuclear material to safe storage sites...In the next few decades they will slowly move this waste. Shows just how dangerous this material is and how expensive it will be to clean up.
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December 8th, 2016
>>2809589
>I presume you know that we would like some more?
Sure, and if I find new pictures, I'll post them.
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The mobile tool platform at the south garage.
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November 28th, 2016
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>>2803152
Holy shit, I didn't realize how massive that thing is until I saw the containers and trucks beneath it. I guess they're building it to last.
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>>2803152
Is the Elephant's Foot still a thing that's considered a problem in Chernobyl?
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November 30th, 2016
>>2811788
Well, yes.
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>>2803665
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tGh00yZwCU
Thank you. It is a nice video.
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>>2803869
>no cancer, no horrible deaths
Not sure if troll, but that's inaccurate, there's a documentary about it, the Babushkas of Chernobyl about some old ladies living there
Their radiation levels are very high, and their life expectancy is reduce a lot, but since they're already old it doesn't matter much.
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>>2809646
>Why can't they just scoop up all the toxic waste and dump it in the ocean
Because it can spread more easily in the water, not only killing sea creatures but disrupting entire ecosystems, and eventually affecting humans. It's a complete loss-loss scenario.
lol that other anon, saying we should nuke the place
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>>2803152
So how long is this thing supposed to be safe now , 100 years or so? is that enough to get rid of what is (now) in there?
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>>2813233
What do you mean safe? That zone will be inhabitable for thousands of years, not sure about the long term plans though.
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And once again that's all I have for now. I'll come back if I find more, but with winter coming, don't get your hopes up.
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December 8th, 2016
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>>2815476
Where do you get these pictures from OP? And when are they going to seal those gaps?
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This is definitely my favourite, and only, way of keeping up with the confinement building progress.
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>>2815486
>Where do you get these pictures from OP?
I get all pictures from browsing the web. The serie from inside the NSC comes from a very nice guy who works at ChNPP.
>And when are they going to seal those gaps?
By now most if not all tilting panels should be closed. Sealing the tight spaces between the NSC and the buildings is the main job left to do before the NSC is commissioned in late 2017. So don't expect it to be done much before that.
>>2815497
As mentionned before, if you want to follow the NSC progress outside of those not so regular 4chan threads, I'm also the main contributor to the SSC thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1534048
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December 2016
The assembling area (taken from the NSC)
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December 17th, 2016
So to correct myself, all tilting panels aren't closed yet.
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December 2016
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December 21st, 2016
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Between the NSC and the technological building. At the bottom left you can the see the railing where the membrane sealing the confinement will be placed.
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I'm assuming this is a connection between the NSC and the technological building to transfer some of the load of the west side of the arch.
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is this visible from space?
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The gap under the NSC.
>>2820488
Not to the naked eye.
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Inside the technological building.
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Inside the arch
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Ventilation equipment to keep the air dry within the arch, to prevent the arch from rusting.
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>>2821010
how costly is the upkeep of that thing?
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On the right of this picture, you can see a door in the middle of stairs to the side of the building, with some barbed wire. During the final skidding, the arch actually hit some of that barbed wire, and they had to stop the skidding while they removed most of it.
>>2821450
No idea, but probably expensive.
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>>2821450
Well it took them like a decade if not more to get $$$ to build the cover so...
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In the background you can see the lift that allows workers quick access to the bridge crane's carriage's garage. All that within the walls of the NSC.
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Does anyone know what happened to the spent fuel pool at Unit 4? Was there any spent fuel in there at the time of the accident?
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Does anyone have a HR photo of the Elephant's foot?
I can only find low res ones on Google
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>>2821866
There were two spent fuel pools for unit 4. One was empty, the other contained 129 fuel assemblies (14.8 tons of fuel). They don't seem to have been damaged by the accident, but the pool doesn't have any water left in it. Source: http://www.ibrae.ac.ru/contents/201/
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>>2822340
That's a pretty cool article. The last chart makes it sound like the pool may also contain lava like fuel containing materials, which wouldn't be surprising with all those spent fuel bundles and no water.
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>>2822599
Some of these photos are quite good.
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December 2016
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what is projected lifespan of this new structure?
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How do the people who work so close to ground zero on this project not suffer from the effects of radiation?
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>>2829943
the workplace is shielded and a majority of contaminated soil has been mined and transported elsewhere during the initial cleanup
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Is Russia the shittiest place in the world?
Or would that be Antarctica?
Where should we put all of the nuclear power?
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>>2831632
But Chernobyl is in Ukraine.
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>>2828448
According to some of the site managers interviewed for a BBC doc on the NSC, about a 100 years. I have an awful feeling that they've bitten off more than they can chew.
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so this thing was built right there in the place it'll stay?
I thought people only went there from time to time, and couldn't even stay too long before being irreversibly contaminated, how did they do that?
Sorry, I really don't know much about this things, just curious
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November 30th, 2011
As I don't expect anything new for at least a month, feel free to request/ask anything about the NSC. Here's a documentary about the project, by the BBC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p-OW-Sl-Co
>>2833243
All questions are welcome, so no worries. The NSC was built 300m away from the sarcophagus were radiation is lower. Work near the destroyed reactor was avoided as much as possible (but still necessary). The structure was then skidded into place. For more details on that, you can check the videos mentionned in >>2803154
>>2831682
>I have an awful feeling that they've bitten off more than they can chew
Same here.
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So I understand that the sarcophagus is there to keep the radioactive dust from spreading when they are going to demolish the structure. But why even destroy it?
How much harm does it do now? Is it really worth to spend all the money on it?
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March 22nd, 2011
>>2833329
If they don't dismantle the destroyed reactor, the situation in 100 years will be the same as it was until now: the NSC will be on the verge of collapse, and a new structure will be needed to confine it.
However, if they dismantle unit 4, and remove most of the radioactive material under the NSC, the site would be way safer and dealing with a crumbling NSC wouldn't be as much a problem.
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I say we nuke it from orbit just to be safe.
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>>2833340
So this NSC is for them to contain the contamination when they dismantle the whole old buildings and reactor ?
This is a very very good thread.
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>>2834836
yes. to prevent radioactive dust particles to leave the area
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How can they dismantle it if it's air tight? Are they sealing in machinery and a ton of fuel so they can control them remotely?
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Do you have any pictures of it before the accident?
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>>2813185
Why don't they blast the nuclear waste into space and let the ayyliens deal with it
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>>2837012
Dismantling will be done with the bridge cranes, so they don't need fuel and they're remote controlled. But they'll need to remove material from inside the NSC and move it to storing areas. The technological building has an accessway from the outside to the NSC to allow trucks getting in and out. I don't know the process, but I'm sure they'll check everything getting out to avoid contamination.
>>2834836
>>2836374
Also to protect the current sarcophagus from weather effects (snow, wind), and prevent it from collapsing. And in case of collapse, the NSC will also prevent radioactive dust from spreading.
The NSC actually already reduced the radiation levels around the plant, since rain/snow/wind isn't moving contaminated material around anymore.
>>2837068
Just two. Others I have are from the construction. But I'm not really interested in that period, so there are probably more pictures to be found.
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January 12th, 2017
Inside the technological building
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>>2808704
You watch too many Michael Bay movies.
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>>2803869
One question.
Why?
To what end?
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January 16th, 2017
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January 11th, 2017
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>>2811753
they guaranteed it to last at least the next 100 years, dismantling the ruins will take more than 50 years. they have to work really carefully and have to avoid to create to much dust. the whole structure is air tight, with regulated humidity, but thats all useless if you cant see anything from all the radioactive dust, so they have to work slow and carefully. most of the materials will be decontaminated as good as possible on site and processed to make them transportable , to get them to a nuclear waste terminal storage.
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>>2813233
they built it to last at least 100 years, demolition of the reactor building will take about 50 years.
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>>2829943
they also erected a shielding wall in front of the reactor building, so they can basically work in the "radiation shadow" far away where they built the shelter.
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go watch bionerds youtube channel, shes hanging around in chernobyl regularily and made some interesting videos about the zone and the new shelter. she works in the radiology sector and knows her shit. debunking mostly what people think about radioactivity. she even demonstrated and explained once why you can eat the radioactive apples growing there on trees without any problems. chick got balls..must be a lesbian. she knows her shit, id let her guide me through the zone, also she seems to be bro material.
https://www.youtube.com/user/bionerd23
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>>2841914
yeah you go and take her advice, i hope you realise that she has not taken into consideration the long term effects of radiation on the human body and how the body deals with it, as we age our DNA strands get shorter, and more chance of faults which leads to less chance of repair with good DNA strands, and because she may have accumulated radiation in her body, i.e bones and fat that still can lead to cell damage and DNA faults less chance of repair, and as a result tumors be it non malignant or malignant and blood cancer (leukemia) can appear.
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I never fail to be impressed by the absolutely obsessive approach you autists have taken on this thing, posting what amounts to the same picture with slight variations over and over again. At this point we could make a pretty accurate 3d model of the site just off of these pics.
Never change; you're what makes /hr/ great.
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>>2844380
No loss
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>>2803152
This stuff is why I keep coming back to /hr/ at all. Anyone has any of the Enewetak Atoll sarcophagus dome?
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January 2017.
View of the turbine hall, south side of the NSC. There's only one tilting panel left to be closed.
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>>2822062
The radiation in the vicinity of the foot makes high quality pictures impossible afaik.
what may seem to you to be a "low quality" picture is actually a high quality one with a lot of interference
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January 2017
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>>2808772
Oh you're more than right buddy, it's fucking shit-topia over here.
>THIS IS A RANT IGNORE IF YOU WANT TO
Everyone here won't bother to read in to the "Muslim ban", see that it's a temporary suspension from seven countries picked by the Obama administration two years ago. Or even to that extent, ignore that we've done this before (Franklin Roosevelt with the Japanese, but we liked him so muh mental gymnastics).
It's easier for us to just find someone and call them a Nazi, as that's good enough justification for assault (granted that one guy was actually a Nazi, beating up/shutting up someone for their opinion sets a bad slope).
Then there's this science March that's supposed to happen soon, where the topics of the march have literally nothing to do with science.
And speaking of science, we got climate change over here. Where instead of giving any set of data to observe overarching trends, it's easier to just call the skeptic some kinda low IQ racist, sexist, islamaphobic, so on and so forth (I hold no strong opinions on climate, just pointing out that the current method of discourse is a mockery to data analysis).
There's a lot more I could riff on but I lack substantial knowledge of to really hold a valid stance for/against.
In short, you're right anon.
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January 31st, 2017
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Pardon the ignorance, but what do you mean by "skidding"? Are you referring to the installation of pre-made structural components at the site?
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>>2853391
>what do you mean by "skidding"?
It's the technical term for "sliding". The arch was built ~300m away from its current position, and was then slid into position. You can see the timelapse for this operation here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvBy-kbK6IM
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>>2850025
That hasn't been the case for decades. Nobody has been down there to set up a good photo (it's in a subasement, you'd need to carry down lighting and a generator) because the site is operated under normal nuclear site protocol, and there's little reason to waste worker exposure time just to take a photo.
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What would've happened to the chernobyl region, if the reactor wasn't treated, and it was left and abandoned afterwards? If no human fixed anything, how would the area look like now?
Are there any models? Would be interesting to know how nature and animals would've been affected.
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How long will it take for it to be dismantled?
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>>2855124
If we would just nuke the fucker, about 10 seconds.
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>>2855124
60 years, at the very least.
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>>2855124
This new containment dome is designed to last for 100 years, at which time it will have to be replaced by the next generation containment dome. Removal of the material inside will continue for 200+ years, at which point it is expected that everything that can be removed will have been removed ... then they will just keep replacing the containment domes as they degrade & fail.
For 10,000 years. Even then, some form of sealing it for another 50,000 years and more is highly advisable.
Although, in that time frame, it is always possible we'll figure out a way to remove all of the material. It just isn't foreseeable at this point that a cost-effective method will be developed or a reason will crop up that requires it.
There's a reason why nuclear meltdowns are considered to be a BadThing.
Also, this anon:
>>2855060
Utterly talking out of his ass. And, I mean an imbecilic know-nothing without even the faintest clue.
Anyone approaching the main meltdown zone is limited to an exposure of about 45 seconds, at the most. At that point they have received a lifetime exposure rate and should never be exposed to any levels of radiation beyond ambient again.
Heavily shielded robotics can only survive for minutes before their electronic components begin to fail. It will remain that way for a "few centuries."
The Fukushima reactor, which suffered a fraction of this level of meltdown, destroys most robots within 20 minutes or less. In fact, ironically, it's only in the last two weeks or so that the Japanese have been able to get any images of their reactor core, using the most sophisticated robots ever developed. They don't send those to Chernobyl because the radiation environment is about two orders of magnitude more aggressive.
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>>2855124
Nobody knows. The NSC is designed to last 100 years, and they expect to finish the dismantling during that timespan, but no actual plan currently exists. The major issue is funding, because the NSC is financed by an international fund, but the dismantling is supposed to be financed by Ukraine, which is having a lot of problems at the moment.
Contrary to what >>2856685 said, there is no plan beyond trying to dismantle everything in the next 100 years. There might be a need for a new structure then. Or maybe technological advancement will have made this problem disappear. It's fairly difficult to plan that much ahead.
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ITT: Aspergers at the nuclear level.
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>>2857081
oh yeah
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