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Chernobyl's New Safe Confinement 2016-10-07 18:34:58 Post No. 2762093
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2015 thread: http://archive.4plebs.org/hr/thread/2499885/
September 10th, 2015
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A nice view of the east side, showing the "tilting panels" that will be opened during the final skidding operation to move over the destroyed reactor.
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To the far right you can see the mobile tool platform, that will be used in the decommissioning operations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN_OI8_1yL8
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October 9th, 2015
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If you zoom in to the right, you can see people working on the structure. It gives a sense of scale.
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"nuclear power is totally safe" LOL
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>>2762245
You must be 18 years old or older to post on this site.
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>>2762245
>muh solar panels
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>>2762526
when I was 12 I actually jerked off to the solar panel catalogue.
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Say, OP, I don't suppose you have high res pictures of Chernobyl and Pripyat after the accident?
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>>2762564
I have a few of the power plant, but none of Pripyat
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>>2762526
technically also nuclear power tho
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>>2762585
That's fine with me.
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are they going to paint it or anything? it would be a good canvas
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>>2762750
No, this is the final look
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>>2762245
It is safe. Problem is, because of an absolutely horrifying failure state, it has to be perfectly safe. And it isn't and it won't ever be. Nuclear power is a gamble, basically. Right now it's probably a gamble worth taking but ultimately I see nuclear as a stopgap technology.
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>>2762795
This post gave me a headache.
Is this new coffin really necessary? It seems like a waste of dosh and the iconic look will be lost.
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>>2762891
Some people say that the ukrainian experts intentionally overstimated the collapse risk of the current sarcophagus to get more funding from the international community.
However, the existing sarcophagus was built in a hurry, was never designed as a long term solution, and a side section of it collapsed a few years back. So it might not be as necessary as some people make it to be, but it still is necessary.
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October 22nd, 2015
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This is the "technological building", right next to the existing sarcophagus. That's where they'll monitor the NSC, control the bridge crane, recover materials, etc.
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>>2762093
I work for the construction in Marseille
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fucks sake is that thing still not done
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>>2763482
What part of the project do you work on?
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>>2763482
Does your semens glow in the dark?
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>>2762245
Negative comment against Soviet union (Coюз Coвeтcких Coциaлиcтчecких Pecпyблик)
You better have exact reason why Reactor 4 had its malfunction.
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December 7th, 2015
You can see one of the bridge crane at the top inside the NSC.
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Boy do I wish I could go there before the new sarcophagus is finished...
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2016, date unknown
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January 23rd, 2016
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>>2762093
That's a big dome.
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I missed this thread
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January 28th, 2016
A rare view from inside the roof of the NSC.
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February 2nd, 2016
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March 2016
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March 2nd, 2016
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March 10th, 2016
You can see a bridge crane installed, one on the ground, and a tilting panel open.
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March 11th, 2016
This is one of the very few HR pic I have from the work inside the existing building. Here we see the turbine hall, where 2 huge walls will be build to meet the east & west extremities of the NSC and seal that section of the building.
That required removing a lot of old elements here from before & during the accident.
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>>2762891
might be a few decades too late. They even could get near the elephant food already
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March 23rd, 2016
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>>2766754
fugg this was the time I was in Ukraine
didn't feel that cold
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How hard is it to get access to prypjat?
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March 27th, 2016
>>2766971
You can easily go with a group tour, a few companies do that. Going by yourself is almost impossible.
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Will they publish pictures from inside when the NSC is in place? I'm curious how the reactor looks like now.
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>>2767093
Surely, but that probably won't happen before long. The current funding is only for the commissioning of the NSC; there isn't money to actually dismantle the existing sarcophagus. So, for a while, we might only get pictures of the existing sarcophagus from inside the NSC.
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March 29th, 2016
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March 31st, 2016
Lifting of the second bridge crane.
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April 4th, 2016
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>>2767071
oh alright.
Are the patolling the city?
Nice dump btw
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April 6th, 2016
>>2767301
I don't know how they secure the exclusion zone, but I doubt it involves patrolling Pripyat. I do know however that they increased military presence to deal with increasing illegal intrusions. Even made some arrests.
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April 9th, 2016
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>>2762093
This makes me sad. Feels like its a bit too late to be doing this and its ruining the eerie untouched in decades look of the place.
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>>2767629
Thereæs litterally tons of toxic shit in there tho, better make sure no more of it gets out into harms way :)
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>>2767345
Better not risking things then. A guided tour is more informative/safe anyway.
I am really fascinated by this place. even walking around there on google maps is interesting. Impressive how fast nature takes back places once the human left
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Why are they even doing this? Is there still enough radioactive material in there going into the air that it's a concern? Shouldn't they be more worried about some leaching into the groundwater or maybe cleaning up those buried waste sites?
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>>2767863
I'm too tired to help you
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>>2767863
it is obviously still a concern. Not as big as it was and they should have done decades ago, but it wont hurt
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April 14th, 2016
>>2767863
The danger is a collapse of the existing sarcophagus, due to its very unstable base. That would release an enormous amount of radioactive dust into the area/atmosphere. That's why they're building the NSC, they will dismantle the existing sarcophagus and recover most of the radioactive material to make the site as safe as possible.
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>>2763140
Apparently the view from within the Sarcophagus is that there are many holes in the roof of the structure. So a new containment building is still necessary.
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April 22nd, 2016
>>2767901
I think the holes were by design, to allow some kind of ventilation. But I could be wrong on that.
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>>2767863
They want to decommission the whole complex, and that's going to bring up a lot of dust during the process. The new structure is to contain the work to dismantle the existing sarcophagus and the reactor remnants within. The existing sarcophagus is not suitable for this, and is itself contaminated and in need of disposal.
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Really fucking neato!
I enjoy your dump
Do you know what this isolation material is?
>>2768114
This thing looks kind of like regular airship hangar or something similar. How do they shield radiation so effectively? Seems rather lightweight and thin
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>>2768296
Innermost layer is Lexan. The NSC isn't designed for radiation shielding, but to keep radioactive dust within the confinement.
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May 17th, 2016
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June 1st, 2016
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I'm so sorry to ask this but, what is the purpose of this building? What is it for?
and is chernobyl safe to be in?
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>>2769079
Sarcophagus to entomb the plant from further radiation permanently. After it's done it will be slid over the plant. Largest movable structure ever built.
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>>2769091
not the poster you are responding to but thanks. i was wondering why it seemed to be on rails and the oddly shape opening on one end.
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>>2769079
No worries, that's a reasonable question to ask since I didn't post a summary.
For your question about "safety", there's no risk for most workers. It gets a bit more dangerous when working inside the existing buildings, but that's very rare and all workers are monitored to ensure their safety. I think workers receive less radiation in a day than you would during a transatlantic flight.
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June 2nd, 2016
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June 9th, 2016
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June 19th, 2016
Taken from the ISS. The NSC is a the bottom left.
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June 30th, 2016
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Time for a webm interlude. Filmed from a drone in early july, 2016.
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As this webm says, the final skidding operation to move the arch over the reactor is scheduled for november 2016. It should start in less than a month. If the thread is still alive by then I'll post timelapses.
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>>2770227
Is Detroit always this nice in the summer?
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>>2770995
>Chernobyl collapses and irradiates the whole planet on November 8th
>everyone wonders if this is actually the best possible outcome.
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Here you can see where one of the wall i was mentionning (>>2766707) is being built.
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Another view of where the junction will be between the NSC and the existing buildings
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You can see they completely removed a section of the existing turbine hall to build the wall (actually, they removed 2 sections).
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Nice thanks for the thread, I enjoyed the last ones over the years. Still pretty astonished that they got it built after all the problems originally.
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>>2770808
why is the reservoir divided? is it just because of low water level?
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July 11th, 2016
>>2772404
Yes. Since all reactors are shut down, the pond isn't as needed as before, so they keep the water level low (they need to pump water into the pond, so it's fairly expensive to keep doing it).
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August 4th, 2016
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>>2762093
Surely the cranes and other construction vehicles will be irradiated by now? Do they have to put that all into decontamination/storage also?
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>>2772481
As far as I know, there's no radiation issue with construction equipment. Radiation is pretty low in the area. I know one of the crane that previously worked really close to the reactor is currently for sale, so I guess it's safe.
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>>2772481
Prompt dosage is super low now. The main issue for cleanup is more akin to a chemical hazard (hazardous dust if ingested/breathed in) than direct radiation. Radiological rather than Nuclear.
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August 27th, 2016
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August 30th, 2016
In the foreground, you can see where the NSC will link with the building. At the bottom left of the picture, you can see a hole on the roof where the ventilation stack will be (more on that later).
You can also clearly see the red rails on both side of the arch.
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September 1st, 2016
You can catch a glimpse inside the turbine hall, where the wall are being built.
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>>2773036
Radiological fallout confinement with a ventilation stack. What ever will they think of next.
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September 2nd, 2016
Cranes in front of the NSC getting ready to lift the ventilation stack.
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Rare view from the top of the NSC
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Forgot this one from august 2016.
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September 3rd, 2016
Installing the ventilation stack. Over 80 tons lifted at 100m height.
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Anyone have some comparison pictures? Ideally before the accident/first sarcophagus/current situation.
Having trouble picturing how it used to look like. In some pictures like this one, >>2773085, it looks like they removed the sarcophagus already.
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Small break to answer >>2773550
Here's what reactor 4 looked like before the accident.
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Here's what it looked like after the sarcophagus was completed.
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Here's what it looked like after the Designed Stabilisation Steel Structure was added in 2006. To this day, it still looks like this.
Some more explanation about what you see in >>2773085:
The building in the foreground that is partially uncovered is the turbine hall. It extends all along the power plant's reactors. The section near reactor 4 was damaged during the accident, and the roof was covered with an extra layer (old rusty sections). The shiny section in the middle was added a few years ago after part of the building collapsed under snow weight.
So the only thing they removed from the existing structures are two sections of the turbine hall to erect walls that will seal the NSC. Oh, and the old ventilation stack also (but they added a new one, so all in all, doesn't change much).
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Here's a picture showing the turbine hall after the accident, before they covered it.
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And here's a picture from the turbine hall after the sarcophagus was built. I hope it's clearer now.
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>>2773571
Thanks, that cleared it up.
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Back to the ventilation stack installation. Here's a very fast timelapse.
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September 4th, 2016
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September 6th, 2016
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In the foreground you can see the topmost section of the ventilation stack, waiting to be lifted in place.
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September 17th, 2016
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October 2016
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October 1st, 2016
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October 7th, 2016
And that's the last one I have for now. I'll dump daily timelapse until something new comes along. As a reminder, they should move the arch over the reactor in a couple of weeks. If you want to follow more about this project, check out this thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1534048
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It snowed yesterday.
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What exactly is the confinement made of? It's big but the skin seems too thin to stop radiation.
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October 7th, 2016
Found some new pictures.
>>2776255
The NSC isn't designed to keep radiation from going out, but instead to keep radioactive dust from going out. That is done by the innermost layer of Lexan. The NSC has two layers of skin: one on the inside (stainless steel, Lexan) and one on the outside (corrugated steel, insulation, EPDM membrane, stainless steel).
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Are there plans to demolish the whole site in the near future or are parts of it still too dangerous/radioactive? Or is it just not worth it?
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>>2776700
You answered your own question
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>>2776700
They only plan on dismantling the old sarcophagus and parts of the destroyed reactor.
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>>2776700
There's a huge glob of Cesium 137 goodness where the reactor used to be, looks kinda like toothpaste. Nobody in their right mind would want to move that, hence the new sarcophagus.
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>>2776768
Sounds like fun
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>>2777123
Well to be precise the huge glob of highly radiocative shit (the former core of the reactor, all melted into goo) has in fact trickled down in the specially dug out basement as the safeguard was designed to do
It's a batshit bonkers reactor design (produces weapon grade plutonium instead of waste for example) but it's well designed for what it is, and if CNPP dudes weren't deliberately fucking with it it'd function perfectly well to this day, as CNPP reactors 1-3 and Leningrad 1-4 (same exact model) have
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Here's a picture to understand what part of the building they plan on removing.
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>>2777327
by 2117 you'll be able to lick the inside of the reactor core and live to blog about it in cyberspace
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October 26th, 2016
They're removing the tower cranes that are in the way. They're also adding the last rails sections. Skidding should start within two weeks or so.
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>>2777149
That was a joke. I've loved stuff like this since I was like 14. I've read for hours about power plants, designs, accidents etc. and have hundreds of movies and pics about them. My dream job was to be an engineer at my local power plant but that never happened.
Also if you're op, you should name yourself..
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October 2016
The skidding will start on november 12th and last 2 weeks.
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>>2778817
It will be like the first skidding operation. Video related (ugly upscale)
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Yesterday's uneventful timelapse.
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GET OUT OF HERE STALKER
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>>2762264
Zing.
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How does this compare in size to that airship hangar they turned into a tropical resort? Is it bigger?
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>>2778909
Feels like yesterday.
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>>2780236
Quoting myself from last year:
>You might be able to compare it with the Aerium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Islands_Resort). NSC is about half its length, but a bit wider. The NSC structure also is 12m "thick" (even more near the top), so it would be a bit less impressive than the Aerium from the inside. If you only look at the "core" of the Aerium (ie. without the rounded doors), it's more or less what the NSC will be.
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>>2774899
Really incredible shot there. Looks really ominous how the clouds seem to circle around the facility.
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October 3rd, 2016
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October 28th, 2016
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thanks you for these threads OP, i've been following for years. always dope.
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>>2778415
>>2778909
>>2779158
So in just a couple weeks the whole building will be completely covered for the first time?
I realize that there are already multiple layers of concrete over what the building was like before the accident, but there's something fascinating about that for some reason, as though one of the last remnants of the Soviet Union is only now being sealed away or something.
I've been following these threads for years, thanks OP for keeping at it all this time.
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Won't the people working on this project get cancer from the radiation exposure?
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>>2782236
Only if they piss up a wrong bush
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>>2782150
>So in just a couple weeks the whole building will be completely covered for the first time?
I'm having difficulties finding the actual schedule, but from my understanding, the skidding operation will take 3 days (nov 12-15), and they'll close the tilting panels on november 29th.
>>2782236
Answered in >>2769465
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This is seriously cool, had no clue something like this was going on. Continue to update us please op.
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HD webcam stopped working, so no more timelapses for now. Here are some drone shots to wait for the skidding operation (hopefully HD cam will be back by then).
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>>2783777
You can fly a drone around Chernobyl?
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>>2784306
I mean, could you really do anything to make it worse than it already is?
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>>2784306
I believe it's still a no fly zone like most plants but I doubt many people let alone authorities will notice right away
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>>2784306
Depends what you mean by drone. You could probably fly a quadcopter to an oval office windows, what are they gonna do, shoot it? Actually yeah they probably would.
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>>2784306
Also depends what you mean by chernobyl
https://vimeo.com/112681885
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September 22nd, 2016
Taken from Duga. The NSC is visible on the left.
>>2784306
You need an authorization, and I guess it's harder to get if you intend on flying near the plant/NSC. Otherwise it's not that difficult to get, there are a lot of filming crews (with drones) in the exclusion area.
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October 28th, 2016
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>>2784516
>fly a quadcopter to an oval office windows, what are they gonna do, shoot it?
The Secret service has actually employed or given specialty service to professional skeet and trap shooters to do exactly that.
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>>2784816
Well I suppose you can strap a bomb to said quadcopter, but I'd be very surprised if them windows aren't at least somewhat bulletproof
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>>2784817
Prepare to be shocked, because the majority of the white houses security relies on the secret service being a visible presence and working with DC police.
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>>2784827
you're delusional if you don't think the windows of the oval office aren't 2' thick
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>>2784817
MEXICAN DETECTED
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>>2784827
I am dissapointed they don't shoot down any suspicious quadcopters with quadcopters of their own (with a rifle or two strapped on) instead relying on low tech "man with gun" method
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>>2784867
Being from /k/ that brought a smile to my face but for safety reasons they're actually doing the best thing they can short of overpowering all radio frequencies. They use rubber shot iirc.
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>>2784843
Come on anon. We specialize in lawn mowing, thievery and some messy methods of murdering. Bombs belong to isis
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>>2784843
AMERICAN DETECTED
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Date unknown, inside the roof.
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>>2785852
2 day hype!
I will miss having new pictures of the old sarcophagus though. Even if it could fall apart, the whole look of the patched together shield is what gives it its appeal. Definitely going to have to take a trip to Pripyat one of these days before it all falls apart and gets completely overrun by nature.
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>>2785918
I'm not 100% sure about the fact that the skidding starts on the 12th. But it's imminent anyway.
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November 7th, 2016
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>>2786693
Wallpaper material
>noice
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The official word is that the skidding will start "in the coming days", but still no date. I doubt it will start tomorrow.
In the meantime, I'll post some recent webms.
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>>2786693
What are they going to do with the DSSS? It seems kind of difficult to work on right near the ruins of the reactor
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This is the Mobile Tool Platform, see >>2762105 for more info.
>>2787248
I don't know the exact plan, but I assume it'll be dismantled with the sarcophagus.
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>>2787551
>I don't know the exact plan, but I assume it'll be dismantled with the sarcophagus
I would love to see the process of dismantling, hopefully they'll publish pictures of that too
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Unbelievable to think a structure of this size can be made to fly. Really makes you think about mankind's engineering skills.
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November, 2016
>2787552
>I would love to see the process of dismantling, hopefully they'll publish pictures of that too
So do I, but they'll need to find money to do the dismantling first. There's another fundraising scheduled soon I think. Anyway, I'm sure they'll at least post some pictures from the inside of the NSC, showing the sarcophagus.
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>>2787711
I would definitely donate if I could. I would also like to see what's underneath the cascade wall in detail.
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One of the wall the built inside the turbine hall, to join with the NSC. It's filled with a huge amount of concrete.
By the way, what's the bump limit in /hr/ ?
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This is the work platform they use to work under the side walls of the arch
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Those red things are what will move the arch.
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Some animations to explain how the skidding works.
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I'm glad I found this, I find it very interesting
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>>2788986
The company Mammoet is Dutch.
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BTW they just started moving the structure about an hour ago.
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>>2789122
Indeed, and here's the timelapse for today.
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Date unknown, 2016
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November 10th, 2016
Focus on the skidding mechanism.
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I went this summer. It was fucking hot. Tip: if you decide to go, go in the winter or fall. Pripyat is overgrown and you wont be able to see a lot.
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>>2789496
>Pripyat is overgrown and you wont be able to see a lot.
That's part of the appeal, city retaken by nature. Also how damn quiet the place is. You could hear a bear shit in the woods, if there were any.
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>>2789849
I only saw a fox.
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Not much progress today.
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>>2789849
>bear
There are, there are also deer, coyote's etc. Just like any other forest
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This is my favorite post of all time. Cool to see something like this take place without actually seeing it! Filled years back when original post was up, glad to see work has been done and it's cool that the dirty old bastard is coming down!
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November 14th, 2016
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November 2016
The arch hasn't moved today, so I'm skipping the timelapse.
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Still no movement, so let's wait with some drone shots from earlier this month.
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>>2791414
I want inside damn it
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>>2791417
I want to be rich
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>>2773558
Do you have more pictures of the CNPP before the accident?
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>>2791610
I would live inside the plant.
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>>2791417
I want immortality
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>>2791905
Not that much I think.
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>>2784543
Do you live there or something? I would love to explore
Has the moving operation finished yet? Will it make tourism safer?
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>>2792633
>Do you live there or something?
No, not living anywhere close, never been there.
>Has the moving operation finished yet?
No. I don't have much more information than before. It'll be over on november 29th, maybe before that.
>Will it make tourism safer?
Not really, because tourism already is safe.
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What is your part in this. How do you have access to drone footage and pictures of the process if you don't work or have anything to do with it... Or did I miss something.
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>>2793487
I just found all of those pictures/videos around the web (except for those timelapses, I make them using the official webcam).
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>>2792284
Shouldn't it be more broken down? Did they reboild the walls?
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>>2793700
uhm after the accident they built a big ass coffin for the reactor to stop radioactive shit from leaking out. The whole reason they are building the even bigger one now (the hangar looking one) is because they say it is breaking down.
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Well, bump limit hit. I hope you appreciated the thread. Thanks for the kind words, and if you still want to follow the NSC progress, here's the thread I manage outside 4chan: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1534048
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>>2793772
Thank you.
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Skidding resumed.
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new thread maybe?
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>>2794560
Yes please. Timelapses tickle my fancy.
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>>2794419
They moved it pretty far this time
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>>2762795
It is not even near safe. It is not even near to a good chance not to fuck up everything. And there is not even a plan where to put the radioactive waste for the next thousands of years. This is nothing more than a nightmare.
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>>2794560
>>2794591
I'll see if I find new and intersting pictures soon. I don't really think it's worth it to start a new thread for just a few timelapses (they'll get even more boring once the skidding is done).
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>>2795205
You should make one giant timelapse and upload it somewhere
Hopefully I'll find your thread then
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>>2795689
bump limit is reached :(
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>>2795696
now it will decay like so many radioisotopes
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>>2795244
That's the plan. I'll post it on the thread I mentionned in >>2793772
I already made a few timelapses of interesting events here: https://www.youtube.com/user/BlueDotBash/videos. I'll make a complete one in early 2017 I think.
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