ROME

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>>2756211

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This man's defeat did more for the Empire than others' victory.

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That's all for now. Sic transit gloria mundi.

>>2756234
who was that unfathomably dumb fucker that closed the gate?

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>>2756261

Looks life fun. Train, eat, sleep, fight. Healthy food, good company, excitement. What more could you really want?

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>>2756391

The gate was built in a peaceful time when visitors came and went regularly. In time of war and uncertainty all but the most essential gates were blocked up to make the wall more secure. This might have happened centuries later in the Middle Ages; there are still towns in Europe that have their roman walls standing.

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>>2756234
>>2756391
The Golden Gate was blocked off after the conquest of Constantinople in 1453. It, along with a portion of the Theodosian walls, became the foundation of the infamous Yedikule fortress/prison. A graveyard grew outside of it and the outside portion is almost entirely inaccessible to visitors today. So much for the imperial gate.

The Aurelian Walls in Rome have fared better.

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>>2756456
It can be clearly seen in the lower left corner of this map.

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>>2756460
>Let's remind these plebs about the grandeur that was Rome ...and Goldie Hawn

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Sandra Bullock Finally Explains The Three Seashells In It's been a mystery for hundreds of decades of how they use the three seashells...

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>>2759284

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>>2759288

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>>2759293

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>>2759295

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>>2759299

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>>2759300

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If Rome didn't fall, would be a thousand years ahead of where we are technologically? That shit is fascinating to me. We would also theoretically be ahead if the black death hadn't happened.

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>>2759426

>If Rome didn't fall, would be a thousand years ahead of where we are technologically?

Rome didn't really fall. It slowly changed over the centuries until it was more German than Latin in the West, and more Greek than Latin in the East. Sort of like how France is turning into part of North Africa ;)

But, Roman values and knowledge were for the most part adopted by the new kingdoms that emerged out of the Empire. And in some ways Rome held us back, for example the Romans had no concept of the university, that was a Christian invention. The Christians devoted considerable effort into understanding their god's world through science, something the Romans were more indifferent to. Rome never really fell and there never were Dark Ages, it was a fairly smooth transition from Augustus to Charles V.

>We would also theoretically be ahead if the black death hadn't happened.

We might not be. The black death killed so many people that landowners were forced to raise the wages of peasants. There weren't enough people to work the fields, so demand for labor was high. This led to the birth of the middle class, which in turn led to the industrial revolution, democracy, cars, aircraft. . .

Who knows though, any number of things could have completely changed our history. Alexander was planning on invading the Roman Republic when he died of alcoholism at 32. Imagine if he had survived to cement his gains, to conquer more. Everything would have been different.

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>>2759666
Well put. The Empire lives on in a number of forms. Every western nation you see whose symbol is the eagle owes it to the Roman cult of Jupiter.

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Marcus Agrippa facit

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>>2759807

Roma aeterna!

>>2759666
this, this right here is the most well thought out, most educated and enjoyable post i have ever seen on any 4chan board.

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>>2759999

Really? Thanks :^)

>>2760006
an honor sir. I broke a very long lurking streak to post that.

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>>2759666

Could I have a source on Alexander expressing interest in the Roman Republic? Was the Roman Republic of particular Mediterranean importance in the 320s B.C.?

I don't agree that the Dark Ages "didn't happen"...clearly Europe lacked the social cohesion it did at the height of the Roman Empire in AD 180. A man living in Brittany in AD 900 may find it hard to easily move to Antioch in Anatolia. This kind of freedom-of-movement and social cohesion was common at the height of the Roman Empire.

I agree that Rome stifled scientific progress: a huge problem that they had for sure.

>>2760449
There aren't any credible sources beyond a speculation in Livy that had he lived, he would likely have turned West and thus gone after Rome too.

As for the Dark Ages, well define Europe. Brittany is fringe even during the Empire's peak. Most of Northern Europe was effectively occupied by loosely governed Germanic tribes, a state that persisted I'd say until the Frankish Empire and it's various successors.

The fact of the matter is, the Empire at it's greatest extent was neigh unmanageable which is why it was split into four and then into two.

The genius of Rome wasn't in the freedom of movement it provided its citizens, but the ability to easily assimilate different cultures. "Hey, you keep doing what you're doing, we can use all the divine protection we can get. Pray to your gods, pay your taxes to Caesar, and Caesar and your gods will keep you safe and rich." As the fringes become harder to manage, the barbarians start gaining ground, and politics devolves into a shitshow, the Romans became anxious and started pressing down on things that seemed to take away from the power of the State. So those pesky Jews who only worship one god and keep talking about rebellion, even though we've given them everything and let them keep their backwards traditions, well fuck em, we're burning their temple to the ground. And don't even get me started about those other Jews who worship a convicted criminal, don't seem to have any city affiliation, and keep undermining the state by feeding the poor and distracting from our bread and circuses!

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>>2760469
Chilling

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>>2759426
>>2759807
Rome's most important invention was its law. It lives on and not just as an influence - there are rules in almost every modern legal system that are verbatim copied from ancient Roman texts. Basically, Roman law is mind-blowing.

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>>2760592
Quite right. Rhetoric as we know it is part and parcel of that legal system. A pity that it's decline is going relatively unmourned these days, but when can you do with a 24/7 "news" cycle that thrives on out-of-context soundbites.

Have a Cicero.

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>>2760602
what*

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Did you know that at certain points in Rome's history they had co-ed bathhouses? I wish I could go back in time just to take part in the sheer degeneracy.

>>2760517
Also totally a false depiction, or at least a romanticized one.

>>2761008
Notice the prostitute in this picture is not wearing a bra; only the lowest and most sluttish woman would take hers off during sex.

>>2761011
Are you telling me the romans didn't erect three massive bronze dicks in the middle of the coliseum?

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>>2760468

Britanny would not have been remotely considered a fringe at the Empire's peak. There was significant Latin culture and presence even in England, where there have been massive villas and hot baths excavated there.

Additionally, the cities of Rotomagus, Augustodurum, and Gesoriacum were north-Gallic cities, of which the last city I listed was the main port connecting mainland Europe to Britain, and the home of the Roman Navy's Britannic fleet.

No, northern France was not a "fringe" by an means.

Additionally, you say that the Empire's size was "neigh manageable", but it depends on the time-scale. The Roman Republic (and later, Empire) was the dominant Eurasian empire from 200 B.C. to AD 220, and kept most of it's land and provinces through this time. Do you think that 420 years of management of a large empire should be considered "unmanageable"? I think it was amazing that they kept the land they did for over 400 years straight.

I agree with assimilation of different cultures, and that goes hand-in-hand with freedom of movement.

My point was this: Europe was unified and more militaristically an economically stable when Rome was strong than compared to the Dark ages after AD 500.

Not that this was a bad thing ;)

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>>2761337

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>>2761338

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>>2761339

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>>2761340

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>>2761342

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>>2761332
Mea culpa, you're quite right! My experience is in Greek and Byzantine history so my Roman knowledge is rather sloppy. As to freedom of movement, this >>2761342 proves your point spectacularly. Incidentally, do you know if a higher res of this exists? There seems to be city names I can't quite make out.

Just one thing, the painting you posted from Thomas Cole's "Course of Empire" and isn't representing the fall of Rome. That said, Cole surely had Rome in mind when he made the series and indeed I don't think he'd have seen it as a bad thing either!

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>>2761332
>>2761447

Never mind, I found the source: http://roadstorome.moovellab.com/countries

>>2756212
They never should have expanded into Africa or the Middle East. Nothing good happens there, no good comes from there, and any good done there swiftly rots away.

>>2759666
If only people still had to earn citizenship and the right to vote through the sacrifice of federal service... Democracy only works if voting rights are heavily restricted to only those who are personally invested in the wellbeing of the republic.
When you allow any idiot peasant to vote, you wind up with rotting shitpiles like Murrika and Yurope.

>>2761332
Assimilation is good and well, as long as it's actually happening. In order to assimilate into another culture, you must first completely abandon your own culture and identity.
When a culture starts taking in large numbers of people who will not properly assimilate, the culture begins to dilute until it no longer promotes natural unity.
When people stop all thinking the same way, chaos reigns and empires start to crumble.

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>>2761889
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>>2761972
Yes, we get it, you're being raped on the reg by Arabs and North Africans. Put some salve on your torn assholes and post more Roman shit.

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>>2761889
but rome fell to northern barbarians...

>>2761012
she clearly IS wearing a bra, are you blind?

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>>2761344

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>>2764612

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>>2764613

rome

Are there any roman paintings?

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>>2767353
Wall paintings ( Pompeii etc ) and epic mosaics.

>>2756400
to live more than 25 years

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>>2767964
forgot pic

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>>2767965

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Atop hadrians' mausoleum

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Villa Hadriani

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>>2769082
Great stuff from modern Rome!

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>>2764614

Ostia Antica

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>>2767641
Up Pompeii

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>>2759288
impressive model

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>>2769468

bump, bumpis, bumpi, bumpem, bumpe
bumpes, bumpum, bumpibum, bumpes, bumpibum

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>>2774118
... etch a sketch

>>2760604
nice

fuck the christians for melting every bronze sculptures they laid their hands on.

>>2785945
Bronze statues were melted down for weapons and tools, a practice long predating Christianity.

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...Brutus early celebrity adoration in mosaics