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I've been thinking about a TNG episode lately, "The Measure of a Man".

It's the episode where a federation scientist is sent to perform tests on Data in the hopes of creating basically an army of them so every ship can have a Data. He refuses believing that it will damage elements his memories and then the debate of whether he belongs to Starfleet comes up.

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>>2471197
I have never understood how he could be considered to be "owned" by Starfleet. In earlier episodes, especially anything relating to Lore, the crystaline entity, or Dr. Singh, it has been stated that he was found and activated on that dead planet by Starfleet officers, not built by them. He then joined Starfleet of his own accord because they had "rescued" him in a sense.

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>>2471197
So does starfleet own all it's officers and can enforce medical testing on them at will? Or does it own Lore, their "mother", and I guess Lal because they were all built by federation citizens?

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>>2471201
Even later on they rarely deal with ownership of artificial lifeforms that have gained sentience like the EMH Doctor, Moriarty, those weird drones in TNG or anything.

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>>2471202

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>>2471203

>>2474659
They should have given the NX-01 a different name.

>>2471197
Buddy, if people need to be told which one "The Measure of a Man" is, their opinion on Star Trek isn't worth shit.
It's a good episode, but the plot device of Riker being forced to prosecute has always ruined the message for me.

>>2475600
I think I would have rather resigned.

>>2474659
is it me or is this scene 1 rule 34 starship bukkake

Missing the enterprise J >>2474659

>>2476604
And the F

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>>2471201

The thing is that they are all human shaped. Starships show intelligence, but they are definitely owned. What if there was a fully sentient ship (or box - recall "The Ultimate Computer") and it didn't want to be modified?

>>2476793

And the A. It has the original Constitution class, and the refit, which is the same ship, technically

>>2476942

I like Banks's Culture series solution: All AI's must do a certain period of service to the Culture, to work off the cost of their manufacture, then they are free to do whatever they want.

One retires to build models of steam trains...

>>2476793
what's the F?

>>2477095
It's the Odyssey class ship that was officially named to be the next Enterprise after the E in Star Trek Online.

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>>2484486
> destroyer bigger then a battlecruiser

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>>2484909

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>>2484910

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>>2484911

>>2471191
Great thread. Nice to see a decent choice of OP :)
Let's make sure 4chan never forgets the name ... Enterprise!

>>2476942
>>2476967
>>2476969
>>2477047
why are these missing?

>>2490182

Jews.

>>2478613
STO isn't canon.

>>2477549
Kindly leave.

>>2493410
STO isnt but the ship they picked is.

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This thread will live long and prosper.

>>2497558
>>2497558
I used to tape TOS episodes on VHS because I wasn't home when they re-aired on SciFi (I think it was). I tried to save that scene when Spock lets his guard down and smiles when he saw Kirk was still alive but eventually lost it.

I also showed my friends the Kirk/Spock scene so they realized where that music came from during the jousting scene in "Cable Guy."

>>2493962
no it's not

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>>2504150

nebula class pics plz?

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>>2505041

>>2504145

Before I zoomed in on that, I wondered why there was a klingon ship flying over someone's bowl of salsa at the mexican restaurant.

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>>2507424

>>2509500
>>2509501
I can remember *wanting* these plates. My mom was nice enough to not laugh at me.

>>2471204

How do we make our ships look more futuristic?

Just slap more nacelles on them and then weld some fucking deck plates on at all sorts of crazy ass angles!!!

>>2514662
Either those windows are huge, or the lifeboats are really tiny.

>>2521380
>Implying it would land intact

>>2521382
>Implying Ship-to-Ship fire fights would happen in Low Orbit.

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The original design of the Enterprise-C

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>>2529512

>>2529502 et al
Perhaps my least favorite Federation ship. Even this alternate version doesn't sit right with me. Trying to make it the "missing link" between the Excelsior and Galaxy classes ended up just making it awkward. They should've just done an original design from scratch.

>>2471201
In the U.S. military, when you sign up for the military, you become the property of the military. All militaries work this way as you are now an asset to the military and are treated as a tool. There is little reason to think the Federation would differentiate from this concept. Additionally, Spock would point to his needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few concept in saying why Data needed to be studied or donated to the cross of "science."

However, having said all of this, the Federation is a volunteer system, and being placed in a life-threatening situation, Data could simply "retire" from the military.

>>2484910
>>2484911
Bridge Commander ?

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>>2530007

Starfleet has stronger rules about personal liberty than the United States military. The question in the episode was whether Data was the equal of the life forms in Starfleet or if he was property.

Spock's maxim was a personal philosophy, not a command of Starfleet. Note that he chose to enter the radiation chamber - he was not ordered to go inside.

>>2521511
Ship to ship fights happened often, particularly with small craft or when they were trying to escape/damaged.

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>we will never see the Enterprise-E in a movie ever again for eternity

deppresing as fuck

>>2541499
Good riddance, it looks sleek from the top but hideous from below. I morn the loss of the series due to reboot much more than this ship. "Greebling" and it has no neck. the saucer should be the main ship, "the" ship, not the underside that represents engineering.

no neck no neck!

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Personally i like the neckless designs. I always thought including a predetermined breaking point was a bad idea (don't get me wrong, i still like the TMP Enterprise). And don't try to excuse it with separating the saucer and engineering hull, the Galaxy class did that at the widest point of the neck possible.

>>2541788

And the Galaxy was designed to carry families so the saucer separation was incorporated. The Sovereign was built more for combat.

>>2541788
Separating at the widest point would mean less strain on the joint between saucer and neck. Spreads the load.

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>>2543492

>>2471197
The borg queen was hot.

>>2541788
>>2541803
If I remember, the separate saucers were justified as placing most of the crew away from the engines, for the purpose of radiation safety. For the neck to be gone, probably implies either that the engines are considered less prone to leak events, or Starfleet just stopped giving a damn.

I hate in the shows when the new Enterprises were the excelsior class. That ship is the ugliest model and just doesn't look good to me.

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>>2471191
For a moment I thought this was a Star Trek ships thread.

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>>2552243

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>>2552244

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>>2552247

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>>2552248

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>>2552249

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>>2552250

you >>2545816 are a self absorbed
narcissist.

>>2552245
what's wrong with her face?

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this is one of my fav episodes along with that salt sucking bitch

>>2561664
I know Kirk gets a lot of pussy, but that is ridiculous!

>>2484424
Thats the one thing that got me. Vulcans...super logical....So why dont they have just like bricks in space.
I loved that in Babylon 5 they actually brought that up. How humans were so pragmatic and their ship designs were just blocky and functional. You would expect something like that from a race of logically minded people. Not these fancy fucking things they go with.

>>2557923
What a fucking awesome scan. Or is it a rip of a digitally-published issue?

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>>2566638

> why >>2476969 is >>2476942 this set >>2477047 being >>2476967 censored.?.?.?

>>2568538
wow, you're a few months off
first, look at the dates, notice they're all the same
second read a bit, maybe google a little
and to answer your question: they aren't. There was a problem on that one day and no images posted

I really like Star Trek. NOT TROLLING. Simply cannot compare it to Star Wars. One is a small part - the other is a whole lifetime of stories from multiple perspectives. Can enjoy both - but as far as liking - Trek is king.

>>2474659
>refit Enterprise
>not Enterprise-A

This bugs me for some reason.

>>2530007
That's understandable in a way. Like they can be ordered to their death as shown in that hologram when Troi was trying to make commander. But it seems like at the point where he was on trial, he wouldn't have been allowed to retire because they saw him as property. Would starfleet have forcibly experimented on Kes if she had joined starfleet because she had stronger psychic abilities that when studied might have benefited Vulcans?

>>2509505
lol. me too

How is it that Star Trek manages to be even more pathetically nerdy than Star Wars despite Star Wars being for autistic, manchild nerds while Star Trek is just for autistic nerds?

>>2578656
Why get butthurt about what other people enjoy?

>>2578656

Star Wars isn't remotely nerdy anymore. Look how mainstream it's become.

>>2530007
Excpet everything you said about the US military is laughably wrong

>>2587474
No. You belong to the military until they are done with you and are discharged; and if you have "critical skills" you can be recalled with no warning at any time in the future.
This is rarely done and these days you are usually released at the end of your enlistment period but they do not have to release you until they feel you are no longer needed.

>>2588316
you can leave literally any time after your initial contract is up. if youre enlisted & choose to stay, you re-up & sign a new renegotiated contract

>>2588316
>if you have "critical skills" you can be recalled with no warning
where the fuck are you getting this stuff? not even SFOD-D does this...why would you pipe up when you clearly have no idea wat youre talking about?

source: im an army brat

>>2588568
> where the fuck are you getting this stuff?
from being recalled

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>>2588973
maybe in the chilean or afghan "army"

>>2588316
With the American military it's 8 years and if you choose to leave active duty before that 8 years is up you are in reserve duty. At that point they can recall you to service if you are required until the total 8 year period is up. After that you may reenlist or leave the military completely.

Two posts left. Let's keep it a little while longer in /hr/.
In other words, bump.

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Aaand we're autosaging.

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