Origin of the Slavs

Eastern Europe, in and around modern Russia/Ukraine/Belarus.

Then like lots of other Eastern European tribes they migrated west.

slavs are from central Europe. Vikings first settled and built Kiev, Novgorod, etc... No one lived east of the Baltic before that. Once towns and trading was established, slavs, nords, and balts migrated east.

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>>965807
>>965845
>being this ignorant

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>>966834
>slavs
>migrated east
kek, just kek

>>966840
>>966850

What manner of WE WUZery is this?

>>965807
scythians and steppeshits

>>966858
WE WUZ INTERGALACTIC TRAVELERS N SHIET

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>>966840
>>966850
>tfw the Hwan destroyed it all

>>966886

Weren't they conquered by the Finnish empire first, though?

>>966887
No, the Mass Autism Array was activated before Seoul could be taken.

>>966858
>>966874
>The New Chronology is a fringe theory regarded by the academic community as pseudohistory, which argues that the conventional chronology of Middle Eastern and European history is fundamentally flawed, and that events attributed to the civilizations of the Roman Empire, Ancient Greece and Ancient Egypt actually occurred during the Middle Ages, more than a thousand years later. The central concepts of the New Chronology are derived from the ideas of Russian scholar Nikolai Morozov (1854–1946),[1] although work by French scholar Jean Hardouin (1646–1729) can be viewed as an earlier predecessor.[2] However, the New Chronology is most commonly associated with Russian mathematician Anatoly Fomenko (born 1945), although published works on the subject are actually a collaboration between Fomenko and several other mathematicians. The concept is most fully explained in History: Fiction or Science?, originally published in Russian.

>The New Chronology also contains a reconstruction, an alternative chronology, radically shorter than the standard historical timeline, because all ancient history is "folded" onto the Middle Ages. According to Fomenko's claims, the written history of humankind goes only as far back as AD 800, there is almost no information about events between AD 800–1000, and most known historical events took place in AD 1000–1500.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_%28Fomenko%29

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>>966891
>>966887
>>966886
You may talk shit about ancient Russia-Hyperborea, but the fact is that you don't have anything to prove that your meme-empires existed, while WE have a lot of actual depictions.

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>>966915
>doubting the existence of the Fenno-Mongolian Khanate

>>966936
>that pic
touché

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>>966951
:-DDD

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>>965807
There are many theories but nothing can really be proven; the proto-homeland lay somewhere in-between Central and Eastern Europe. At the time the Roman Empire was going under, the Roman writers were the only source of written information for us today and they didn't do much travelling into the lands of the Slavs. When Slavs are first mentioned they already inhabit the land (the line from Pomerania to the Adriatic sea), with only the East Roman writers writing about the migrations (into the Balkans).

>>966955

Does that stone represent a benis?

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>>969289
YUO SAID BENIS :-DDDDDD

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>>969422
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT!
FIGHT THE HWAN!

I thought slav was a linguistic group

>>966874
Nice

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This should explain everything clearly and concisely.

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>>965807
Western Slavs - Eastern germanic leftovers, possibly mixed with Scythians and Sarmatians.
Southern Slavs - Who knows
Eastern Slavs - Western slavs + Finns + Tatars + Mongols.

>>966840
>>966850
>>966915
There is no Russia before 1300-1400AD

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>>971522
>Southern Slavs - Who knows

You know.

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>>971529

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>>971530
>Kosovo

>>971522
Another interesting things are "Fenni" which are Finns.

>"In wonderful savageness live the nation of the Fenni, and in beastly poverty, destitute of arms, of horses, and of homes; their food, the common herbs; their apparel, skins; their bed, the earth; their only hope in their arrows, which for want of iron they point with bones. Their common support they have from the chase, women as well as men; for with these the former wander up and down, and crave a portion of the prey. Nor other shelter have they even for their babes, against the violence of tempests and ravening beasts, than to cover them with the branches of trees twisted together; this a reception for the old men, and hither resort the young. Such a condition they judge more happy than the painful occupation of cultivating the ground, than the labour of rearing houses, than the agitations of hope and fear attending the defense of their own property or the seizing that of others. Secure against the designs of men, secure against the malignity of the Gods, they have accomplished a thing of infinite difficulty; that to them nothing remains even to be wished."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenni

Would explain why Russians are such violent monkeys. >>971529
>>971533

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>>971545

>>971522
Another lead is Polish chronicles that speak about Poles being Vandals.

Meme populated by German chroniclers in medieval times as well.

>>965807
A bunch of proto slavs interbreed with the alans in the caucasus, then they started moving everywhere, blanding upp with more iranian tribes, finnic tribes and tatars.
The end

>>972282
Sure. And at the same time both Romans and Hellenics were Nordic.

>>972609
No they were not.

>>965807
> Where the fuck did these guys come from?
Carinthia and the surrounding regions. Probably up to Pripyat, if we are talking 6th century.

Though, you need to understand, Slavonic tribes had assimilated quite a lot of other tribes during the next half a millenia. It was partially language-based expansion, rather then "we come, we kill everyone, we colonise".


>>966834
> Vikings first settled and built Kiev, Novgorod, etc...
That's Hollywood history, kiddo.

>>972762

>Caritinthia

Yeah somewhere around here. Polesia or Pripyat marshes. The slavic topo- and hydronyms dictate seclusion from the sea and a foresty environment. This is for slavs as a cultural concept.

Genetically slavic people are largely the remnants of the PIE who didn't migrate out of the western reach of the steppe. Mostly ENF/WHG with a proportionally large amount of ANE.

>>972762
>Carinthia
Indeed, one theory (albeit not a very popular one) says that Carantania was the direct descendent of Noricum; two states with different names but the same people.

>>971522
>Southern Slavs - Who knows
Eastern and Western Slavs that migrated to Balkans and mixed with locals.

>>972762
>It was partially language-based expansion, rather then "we come, we kill everyone, we colonise".
It was assimilation.
>Low your shields, and prepare to be assimilated. Resistance is, and always has been, futile.

>>973026
What are you talking about?

Slavonic tribes expanded that fast precisely because they didn't need to fight anyone. First they build enclaves along the rivers (farming doesn't need much space; i.e. no need to fight with locals), then surround enclaves with walls (making their settlements highly defensible) and, finally, start trading with locals.

Few generations down the line everyone speaks some form of farmer-trader language, making Slavonic dialect regional lingua franca.

>>973104
Exactly. They assimilated everyone else into their culture. Like early medieval Borg.

>>973136
It's fair to assume it goes both ways, no? That the new culture has elements from the groups assimilated and isn't "true" slav.

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Please read more books. Pic related. Also DNA evidence is just another kind of source.

>>971529
The map can't be true. In my final year in high school 75% of students had at least 1 Polish grandfather or granddaughter (Germany).
>n=93

>>973160
NVM I misread.

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>>973141
I truly recommend you to check out >>973148
The archeological evidence that is the basis for a Slavic narrative (which is a fun story to read I admit) is pretty damn weak. It mostly ignores social stratification. For example for both Slavic and Germanic tribes Bügelfiebeln (no idea what they are called in English, pic related) are used used as proof for settlements. It ignore social division, trends and possible exchange processes like the one you hinted at.
Recent historians for that time tries to perforate the idea of containers like "tribes" and "people" (and those fucks use DND evidence).
See for example: https://medieval-immigration.b.uib.no/conference-2016/

>>973213
I can't make any sense of what he (>>973213) is talking about. Can someone dumb it down?

>>973225
Look at what the historiography of Slavic settlement is based upon: archeological findings (mostly of the stuff like the thing I posted). This archeology pre-supposes the existence of a group that considers them self Slavic (or Germanic or whatever). Mostly because it's paradigms are rooted in 19th century history writing (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontinuit%C3%A4tstheorie_%28Geschichtswissenschaft%29). If you consider "peoples"/"tribes" to be the explanandum and not the explanas at lot of the narrative falls apart.

Sorry for fucking up; it's a rather complicated matter and I am just an interested reader in these matter and not any sort of expert.

First archaeological culture that can be attributed to slavs with certainty is Kiev culture which is somewhere in Ukraine and dated to 3rd-5th century.

>>973284
No. The Prague-Korchak cultural is the first but the whole issue is highly debatable.

>>971541
>Would explain why Russians are such violent monkeys.
>he really thinks genetics determines behavior

>>973371
We managed to ignore his post for 13 hours m8.

>>973387
The truth have to be said in any case

>>972774
>PIE
What is that?

>>973371
>he really thinks genetics determines behavior
They do

>>965807
>Origin of the Slavs
>posts a Finn

>>974366
Proto indo-european