Post historical images that really make you think.

why they need 7 nerds to shoot one stylish communist?

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>>963431
Because Swag>Rifles

>>963436
What are those men discussing?

>>963422
screams fake.

>>963431
6 of them are shooting blanks.

I'm being serious.

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>>963458
They may possibly be discussing the anti war leaflets the white rose spread during world war 2, even if that's unlikely.

>>963469
5 rifles, one (at most) has a blank

>>963422
I have this amazing picture of a guy about to be executed by shooting but not in this computer. He's wearing what seems to be officer clothing and classes, and his intense stare into the infinity is captured up close.

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>>963471
I need to find a nice hi-def moon surface to earth pic for my wallpaper

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>>963483
Is it as cool as this?

>>963468
Honestly this.

It just seems wrong.

Why would you execute someone on the street like that? It's not even that it's some hastily done execution during chaos and confusion. Clearly the execution was a full ceremony.

And why are they so close to the one being executed?

>>963500
I bet they're just posing.

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>>963508
That's not posing. THIS is posing.

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>"It's queer, when one thinks about it," goes on Kropp, "we are here to protect our fatherland. And the French are over there to protect their fatherland. Now who's in the right?"

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>>963500
Why are there so many historical photographs of moot?

>>963577
Jewish psychics
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik

>>963422
Seeing red scum being removed makes me cum.

Also
>commie
>fedora

Kek. Probably died tipping it

>nothing personnel fascist

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>>963525
>Now who's in the right?

The side who didnt invade first?

>>963822
Not every kind of hat is a fedora anon.

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>>963851
This place is an anti /pol/ when it comes to our opinions about Germans and Germany.

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>>963422

>1919
>being a communist

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>>963860
>13-15/2/1945
>Still being a Nazi

>>963857
>unironically thinking there is a 'bad' side in a war

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>>963879
The Germans do seem to be of a much more darkish grey than everyone else though.

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>>963422
The Syrian civil war is just like the Spanish one, a war of ideologies with fighters from alround the world.

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>>963525
“Why do they never tell us that you are poor devils like us, that your mothers are just as anxious as ours, and that we have the same fear of death, and the same dying and the same agony—Forgive me, comrade; how could you be my enemy?”

>>963910

What is Javier Bardem doing there ?

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>>963926
At the end of the war two a soldier was discussion with his officer how a bunch of child soldiers had ran away from battle and if they were to be executed for leaving their duty or not. Just before they parted the soldier turned towards the soldier, saying "God, what has we done to our youth?"

Remember this from some other thread, don't remember it perfectly.

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>>963961

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The Austrians fought the Russian Empire for the majority of WWI. Later, during the Polish-Soviet war of 1920/21, the Poles used the same trench line built by the Austrians, to repel the Soviets.

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>>963910
If I had any combat experience I'd totally go and volunteer to fight in Rojava and be a modern day Robert Jordan. Maybe meet a qt Kurd girl to be my Maria.

>>963969
>mfw remembering that cingey /pol/ greentext story about this picture

>>963504
>Why would you execute someone on the street like that?

because he's a communist literally being commanded by a cadre of bolshevik jews to destroy Germany via "revolution"

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>>963986
i know that feel bro

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>>963992
Tell me more

>>963961

>"you wandered into the wrong Fatherland, untermensch"

>>963994

back to your containment board, pls

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>>963504
It was during the fight against the Bavarian Soviet Republic.
Anarchists and Communists were killed by Freikorps like pic related.

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>>963999
>All the SS who won that medal have Wikipedia pages and non of them moved to America
>That picture actually depicts a youth being forcefully drafted into the Wermacht

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>>963996
I hope that Rojava doesn't get fucked by whoever comes out on top in the civil war. The world needs to see how democratic confederalism works in the long term.

>>963885
>fucking jews
i kekd

>>963577
The Hwan autism arrays that he discovered allowed him to use the power level to time travel

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>>963422
Say what you will about Germany, but they know what to do with commies

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>>964128
Get defeated by them?

>>964027
I wish the same thing, but to be honest I think that's what's gonna happen. Can't have something nice and different like that existing, right?

>>964168
Only American/Russian puppets and Islamists are allowed to exist in the Arabic world :^)

>>964177
And Iranian backed Shia movements :^)

>>964020
>Muh hertiage
>The post

>>963468
>>963504
Exactly, it's clearly posed, half the people are looking at the camera and not the guy they're supposed to be shooting. If it was real they wouldn't want someone taking a picture of the execution.

>>964229
>chimny

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>>964229
>they make the camps look nice for Red Cross inspections
>As soon as they leave they go back to being murderworkcamps

>>964229
are u srsly this retarded? Nice meme tho

>>964239
>>964245
>>964282
Thinking: Some people can't into it.

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>>964302
>mfw silly /pol/fags think they're critical thinkers

>>964229
>rabbit breeding

holy fuck, my sides

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>>964323
>mfw redditfags "think"

>>964350
Pretty certain you can find holocaust deniers on reddit too, buddy. It's hardly revleft.

>>964229
Where they growing weed in the greenhouse? Because that changes EVERYTHING

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>>964337

>>964360
Yeah. reddits turning into an alt-right hub after constant brigading from /pol/.

>>963436
Sophie Scholl is best historical waifu.

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>>964386
>Implying

>>964027
>The world needs to see how democratic confederalism works in the long term.

Why, so you can say "it wasn't real socialism" when it inevitable goes to shit and your pet Kurds begin massacring Assyrians?

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>>964395
Even if it ends up as a failure it will be nice to see a large-scale, non-ML socialist movement in action.

>>964383
Because alt-right views are a mental illness.

>>963422
That's badass but so stupid. I get dying for what you believe in but being a martyr is overrated. That pic does show the roots of punk tho. Any info on the guy?

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>>964407
So you have already disowned Bolivarianism?

>>964407
when your execution game so fire he doesn't have time to take his hat off

>>964383
Nobody's forcing you to be a nazi apologist.

>>963426
Which one?

>>963422
Wasn't that a staged photograph?

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>>964458

>>964458
Guy with his arms crossed, about halfway up and 2/3 right, IIRC he has a name and a story but I can't remember what

>>964458
>>964482
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Landmesser
Seems like he was drafted after getting imprisoned for having an relationship with a Jewish gal.

>>964479

>that one dude looking straight into the camera with a look of confused concern

bet they got him dissapeared even before the other guy

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>Destruction of the medieval aqueduct of Paris by the public transport society.

>>964229
>brothel
Degeneracy desu

>>964591
Wait, why?

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>>964380
>>964337
This makes me sad. The only reason Mussolini came back to "lead" the Italian Social Republic was that Hitler threatened erase Milan and some other cities if he wouldn't

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>>964164
Imagine showing this pic to a German general in 1919

>>964601
Real estate speculation.

>>964604

perfectly certain that was the only reason

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>>964616
>showing this to Bismarck

>>964386
The movie about her made me almost dislike her, it's too pathetic "oh look I'm Sophie Scholl, I'm a hero fighting for liberty ! Look at the evil nazis ! They killed meeeeee"

>>963885
Germaniphobe.

>>963872
Dumbshit, that picture is of Freikorps executing a communist fucker.

>>964479
He was a cuck before it was cool

>>964666
What did he do that made him a cuck?

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Young Ho Chi Minh at the French Communist Party Congress of 1920. You can see Marcel Cachin in the background.

>>964670
Being a self hating moron like most of the germans today and not supporting a nationalist party.

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>>963422

>>963910
>syrian war
>war of ideology

bollocks

>>964674
>refusing to honor insane regime that prosecutes you because the woman you love is the wrong race

Nazis are sub-human.

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Slum suburb of Paris.

>>963885
Aggressive foreign policy doesn't make you evil, especially when you have three whole empires at your borders who would love to see you topple.

>>964686
>insane regime
epick

>prosecutes you the woman you love is the wrong race
Good. Race mixing is degenerate

Stay butthurt commie

>>964674
>Don't let yourself be bossed around by someone else
>Lol, a cuck
Let me guess, you think Sophe Schroll and Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a pair of SJWs?

>>964697
I'll never understand how human beings can become this damaged.

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Los Angeles, 1963

>>964691
What's the third empire?
And as i remember it nicholas was something of a peace tsar, the only one that really, really, really wanted that war was Germany.

>>964710
boredom

>>964702
>lifting your right hand means you get bossed around

Bet you dont have a problem with rising your left fist ;)

>>964710
Dont know what you're talking about. I'm in good health

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>>964718
Can people just, please, stop answering to this bait?

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French police guarding a transit camp for deportation of jews.

>>964720
>everything i disagree with is m-muh bait
>posts memes

Clearly you improved the quality of discussion

>>964725
>Clearly you improved the quality of discussion

as opposed to this

>>964666

>>964713
Russia or Austria-Hungary. Also, the French and Austrians arguably wanted the war much more than Germany did. French children since 1871 had been taught to hate Germany growing up.

>>964718
>Not allowed to listen to the music you want
>Not allowed to creat unions not ran by the state
>Not allowed to start any political groups opposing the ruling party
>Not allowed to love whatever adult human being you wish
You know, if you ask really, really nicely your mum may agree to let you move in with her again so she may decide about everything you do, you seem to like that sort of thing.

>>964710
>Bunch of socially autistic teenagers start using 4chan
>Get exposed to an ideology that allows them to blame all their problems on Tyrone from third period and Mr. Goldmeyer, the history teacher who told you off for sleeping during the Holocaust unit

It's a dangerous concoction.

>>964601
for public transport duh

>>964732
>AustroHungary
They were Germany's fucking ally, goddamit, Why would they wish to see Germany perish?
And it was Germany that gave the Austrians a blank Check, it was the Germans that declared wars at three countries and triggered a fourth ((Getting Britain into the war by invading Belgium)) and it was the Germans that wanted preventive wars years earlier and had to be stopped by Otto Von Bismarck.
>French children since 1871 had been taught to hate Germany growing up.
And still it was Germany that declared a war at the for refusing to demilitarize the border.

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>>964734
>MFW the image of the rugged, individualist Aryan is wrong
>MFW white people love letting themselves get cucked by kings, dictators and corporations

>>964730
>Post a pic
>Someone has an objection and points out that there's not much to admire about that guy
>I-it must be le shitpost

People have different opinions deal with it

>>964734
>I put myself and my desires above my country's intrests

People have different sets of values and priorities.

>>964752
I just realized i got a bit hostile there, sorry for that.

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>>964755
Your country is a spook.

>>963857
So why do you post pro German images like that

>>964755
>People have different sets of values and priorities.
>Force everyone to follow your own values and priorities
What does it even bother you? Why not push for Libertarian policies if anything so you and your ideologically like-minded can as you wish?

>>964759
your mum's a spook m8

>>964753
>the image of the rugged, individualist Aryan is wrong
>individualist

Where exactly did you get that image, my dear shitskin friend?

>>964759
Your spook is a spook

>>964417
Yeah, he's probably still alive.

>>964766
So you're openly admitting that you aren't an individualist? That you're a cuck who is willing to follow the commands and let your pure wife get defiled by your kingly highness? (So long as he is white of course!)

>>964764
>Force everyone to follow your own values and priorities
Much like you do shaming me for not sharing your admiration about that cuck in the picture.

>What does it even bother you?
It does because im not an individualist

>Why not push for Libertarian
Because i dont agree with Libertarianism

Aren't you a bit hypocritical m8?

>>964703
These are British soldiers playing football in either Greece or Africa, can't remember which. But it isn't the Christmas truce.

>>964776
>So you're openly admitting that you aren't an individualist?
Yeah

>let your pure wife get defiled by your kingly highness?
Quit shitposting (or projecting)

>>964720
This image is the personified whataboutism.

>>964495

I read a story about this guy who refused to make the nazi salute.

At the beginning he even was member of the nazi party but he left because it didnt bring him any advantages. He did survive the war well, because he simply wasn't politicised in any way, just living a simple life and not falling for their shit

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>>964778
Cuck ;)

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>>963961
>Hi, my name is Franz Hosenstadt and this is Schwachkopf

>>964128

Getting litterally raped by them and the country split in two with them controlling half for 40 years?

>>964800
All thanks to the allies.

Vatnik pride and muh victory is truly the most pathetic thing on 4chan.

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>>964706

No.

>>963422
Filthy commie
Good riddance

>>964787
But that's part of why there were Nazis. The Jew destroyed the older German way of just living a simple life. Think Heidi. That's what the Germans viewed as the romantic, traditional, good way to live. Tired to your plot of land, your community, your parson. The Jew destroyed all that. It became impossible to just live your simple life.

>>964813
Haha commies caught red handed again

>>963422

Everything should technically make you think unless you're braindead. I think what you mean is something making you think beyond the basics, which I find a lot of people do not do.

Why do people take things at face value and not go deeper or question things?

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>>964813
Ratzinger confirmed for Chinese vampire.

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>>964815

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>>963851
what a joke. do you really think france and britain didn't want to attack germany and steal their colonies?
you're like that kid on the playground who tackles other kids, but when your ass gets beat you cry.

>>964813
I don't get your point, this just proves he is double the nazi

>>964846
>steal their colonies
Germany didn't have colonies any more :^)

>>964846
>do you really think france and britain didn't want to attack germany and steal their colonies?
not him but i really do think france did not want attack germany, because virtually all the actions by their government during the july crisis but also in the couple of years prior point to limiting the power of the military, curbing revanchism, avoiding war and certainly not wanting to antagonize germany

>>964846

>German colonies

Why yes, that massive empire, rich is resources that the rest of the world was jealously drooling over...

>>964846
And you are like that single mother who thinks your own gentle giant had a full right to charge that cop because he was holding a gun.

>>964778
>Much like you do shaming me for not sharing your admiration about that cuck in the picture.
>Shaming
>Forcing
You realize there's a difference between the two? Or will have I to add that to your list, that you are some gigantic pussy who gets ptsd form 4chan?

>It does because im not an individualist
So if someone decided to set up a communist regime and get the majority of the government/people with him you would just nod and go along with it?

>Because i dont agree with Libertarianism
But then none will stop you and your friends may set up your own mini regime where everyone takes order from your furher.

>Aren't you a bit hypocritical m8?
Care to explain how?

>>964850
France already prepared for this, Bismark knew that. That's why he tried to isolate them and ally with Russia, but the last Kaiser of Germany thought differently...

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>>964875
oh really? you think the british empire, who tried everything to encircle germany with enemies, should be compared to a cop? Give me a break.

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>>964897
Yeah, encircle them with countries such as France, Russia and.... who more? The UK was neutral and AUstria Hungary was their ally.. Good encirclement there.

>>964907
>France, Russia
there you go. Encirclement done.

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>>964732
>le French hated Germans meme
The French foreign minister that really wanted war with Germany was shunned by the government after the Moroccan crisis in the early 1900s. Hell, after that the French government was vehemently anti-war.

In fact, when shit was hitting the fan the French were actively trying to de-escalate the situation by having their troops back off a couple of kilometres from the Franco German border.

Of course Germany still declared war, and the rest is history.

>>964907
The Russian elite was fucking Germanophiles. Administration and army were full of Germans from Baltic.
Tzar have little ambitions and Russian Empire has very little interest in marching on West. All they want is to remove kebab. It could and would become great market for German goods.
But German elites and Willy thinks they can get it all for free as Prussia just beat France not that long ago and Russia get their ass kicked by Nippon.
So they just look for a pretext to go to war.
They expect crush France and dismantle Russia and grab all the spoils.
Old powers were mostly interested in status quo. It was Germany that was emerged power.

>>964945
Russia's biggest misstake through history must have been to ever choose Germany (or Prussia) over France
Just imagine if that they had marched on to Berlin during the seven years war.

>>964923
France was old rival of UK. Good job Germany for making them sleep in one bed.
Russia and AH were rivals but they both plus Prussia were also old allies and guess thanks to who the old alliance of 3 Empires crumble.
Yep it was Germany. Good job again.

>>964956
The biggest Russian mistake were Katharine called "Great' and that she lost Poland and let Prussia rise to power.
Seriously Commonwealth were vassal state of Russia at this time and partitions that double or triple Prussian strength(as they get the best territories plus whole Vistula trade with Danzing) was her greatest mistake.

>>964987
/his/ has given me a whole new appreciation of fucking with Nazis. It's an art.

>>964987
saved

>>964998
Thanks to Merkel we can see this touching picture every time a refugee walks past a primary school

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>>964998
>tfw we're all human beings, with capacity to love and respect
>mfw the world could be a brilliant place but instead nationalcucks ruin everything for everybody

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>>963577

>>964998
those hats mustve been good for throwing marksmen off their aim

israelis have hats designed specifically to do that

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>>964407
>that winking executor
>that first guy fromt he right who looks like he's saying "oh my!"
>the guy pointing at the executed man like he's presenting something "Gentlemen, behold!"
>that fucking levitating hat

what is even going ON in this picture

god damn it /pol/ is leaking out again

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Not really an image but made me really wonder.

>>965026
Pretty sure those are Sikhs, who have to wear turbans.

The mitznefet of the IDF aren't designed to throw off aim, but rather hide the rather distinctive silhouette of a soldier with a helmet, so they hopefully will not be spotted int he first place.

>>965034
What are you talking about? /pol/ has always been /his/.

>>965034
This >>965066 Anon got it.
At last half of /his/ consists of normal /pol/, extreme /pol/ or trolling /pol/

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>>964350
>mfw /pol/fags think posting anime reaction images would be considered anything other than degenerate in an actual Nazi state

>>965034
"people with different opinions to mine are posting! oh no!"

It was mostly /pol/'s shilling that got this board created in the first place.

>>964591
I was in Paris not long ago. Saw Les Arènes. They build an apartment building halfway through a Roman arena, then almost scrapped the rest when they tried to have a Metro line through the rest. Sentiment prevailed and they conserved what was left.

>>965093
This is so pathetic and sad, yet completely true. Which makes it fucking hilarious.

>>964752
>They were Germany's fucking ally, goddamit, Why would they wish to see Germany perish?

Out of necessity. The German and Austro-Hungarian governments had hated each other ever since Bismarck, but they had bigger priorities than bashing on each other's empires. It's really unlikely that after a Central victory in the war, the two would have been very close for much longer.

>And still it was Germany that declared a war at the for refusing to demilitarize the border.

Out of paranoia. Germany needed to prevent Russia from beating down Austria-Hungary, and they knew that the French would love to sieze the opportunity to take back the Lost Provinces during the confusion, and probably would have started the war before Germany had the UK given their pledge to join with the other Entente Powers. There were plenty of plans drawn up already by the French command for an invasion through Alsace-Lorraine, and forces were at the border ready to go through with it once the war began.

>>965082
Honestly I don't get it how internet reactionaries love using anime reaction images.

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>>964164
Best thing I've heard all day
*tips fedora*

>>965119
cause watching anime is what occupies most of their time while they're not defending the white race on a Cambodian pottery forum

>>965119

Because the are actually fairly mild mannered, centrist people who are role-playing as frothing insurectionary national socialists in order to pass the time

>>965117

And what about what these annons say?
>>964943
>>964945

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>>965066
>>965072
>>965082
>>965103
>>965119
Stop board feuding and ponder on the fucking historical materiel on this thread. This isn't funny anymore!

>>964703
Surely you mean truce soccer

>>965151
There's that quote about pretending to be idiots ironically attracting the attention of real idiots thinking they're in good company. I think the same thing happens when you pretend to be a fascist. What's the point of irony if it's indistinguishable from sincerity?

>>965181
If you actually hold a sincere belief, I envy you.

>>964164
>two watches

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>>963422
>Post historical images that really make you think.

What am I doing with my life?

>>965190
That was actually a common phenomenon. Lots of Soviet soldiers came from backwater parts of Russia with little technology. Wristwatches were like amazing treasures to them.

>>965117
The only reason Russia was gonna beat down Austria was because of the German blank check that Austria used to attack fucking Serbia

Gavrilo Princip may have lit the fuse, but it was Germany who poured petrol on the fire, turning another shitty Balkan war into a world war.

>>965162
You're crazy. This is hilarious.

>>965190
One of them was actually a wrist mounted compass which was apparently quite common at the time but for propaganda purposes the soviets later airbrushed it out to avoid the obvious connotations of corpse looting

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ITT: Top 3 worst presidents/leaders/cancellors/top comrades from your country

Germany
1.Wilhelm II

a huge gap (I fucking hate this retard)

2.Adolf Hitler
3.Heinrich Brüning

In my case I got plenty politicians to choose from so but lets be honest only number 3 is debatable

>>965645
>hitler
He literally turned Germany from OG Greece into an economic superpower in under a decade, and was one of if not the most influential leader in the last few centuries

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>>965645
US of A
1. Andrew Jackson
2. Richard Nixon
3. Herbert Hoover

>>965677

By fudging numbers, gearing it entirely for war, amassing huge amounts of debt and setting an awfully run government structure which would have collapsed if he ever died and did collapse as a result to his own ridiculous national interest.

Retarded.

>>965700
How long has she been Supreme Oberste Führer? It feels like her regime should have came and went by now.

>>964128
I thought that was a bunch of Reichswehr dudes until I saw the PPSh and PPK's, and realised they were east and west Berlin coppers having a jurisdictional contretemps.

>>965200
>>965294
>implying he didn't just loot watches from the germans for profit

every side did that

The only thing that guy needs is a katana.

>>965705
>Retarded.
Yes, you are. Not one thing you've said has any truth to it.

>>966107
>I have no arguments so I attack the poster

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Nicholas II, probably one of the top 5 richest men in the history of the world, shoveling his own driveway while in exile.

>>963879
every side of war is the bad side

>>966278
he looks tsad

>>963961
You fucking butchered that story.

>>963822
Pls he looks better than any of the nazis tbqh

>>964395
I like how people actually believe Rojava is attacking/opressing Assyrians when actual Assyrians have made statements contradicting these claims and numerous officers in Rojavan militia are Assyrians.

>>966278
>>966321
From the very moment he knew he was going to inherit the throne he knew it could offer him nothing he wanted.

A simple life is all he ever wanted. After abdication he was finally happy, being freed of his political duties of keeping a crumbling state alive by the force of sabre and smoking barrel. At last he could enjoy the simple things in life and spend time with his family.

And then they all got shot.

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>>966451

>>964666
You do realize being a fascist makes you a cuck right? You completely surrender your own desires for those of the country which is really pathetic tbqh

>>966451
>>966459
That supposed to be the same street?

>>966465
nah lmfao

I can find a main drag and how it looks now if you want.. it's hard to tell the endless alleyways of eastern PA apart these days :p

>>966476
Do it then I want muhh comparisons :p

>>963504
>>963468

It is fake. That photo was a mock-up done after the German Communist Revolution got put down. The commies were going for a whole 'look at this badass martyr' look.

>>966484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TaxcXfSwdE

>>963422
Communists are confirmed most badass, yes

>>965012
kek

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>>966485
Yep. Why would the Nazis publish a picture like that? It makes the communist look like a total badass.

>>964662
I believe that he was actually accused of being a spy rather than being part of a mutiny

>>964674
/pol/tards please go.

>>965151
>fairly mild mannered, centrist people
>who watch anime
Yeah, nah. Almost everyone who still watches anime is a social outcast with extreme views on the world fermented by the fact that most of what they've seen about real life they've witnessed on a computer screen on whatever left/right wing agenda pushing sites they frequent.

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Martian canals. The misunderstandings made by otherwise intelligent scientists with the most advanced equipment at the time, an example of prejudice in observation.

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The images aren't historical but the differences in the way historic and modern cities and metropolises look from space has always made me think.

Paris

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>>966797

LA.

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>>966784

>>965082
>animation is degenerate
???

>>964850

Not him but das wrong. France was insanely compromised about the 1870s and needed to restore its image after a crushing defeat.

And besides all of this it was entirely A-H's right to deal with Serbia as was needed. By allying with Russia France was already de-facto at war with Germany anyhow.

>>966454
>From the very moment he knew he was going to inherit the throne he knew it could offer him nothing he wanted

There were mulitple times when he was asked to abdicate and he easily could have either refomred the system or simply just given more responsibility to his far more competent ministers however he stubbornly refused to listen or act on that advice and dragged the whole system with him.

>A simple life is all he ever wanted. After abdication he was finally happy, being freed of his political duties of keeping a crumbling state alive by the force of sabre and smoking barrel. At last he could enjoy the simple things in life and spend time with his family.

Blind idealism thought up by people who romanticise the hell out of the period and who base all their opinions on that one qutoe about him not wanting to be Tzar when his succession was to be announced.

He was that rare blend of stubbornness and severe incompetence which condems and destroys lives.

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>>966856
Forgot my pic

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>>963436

>>966812
>Not him but das wrong.
but it isnt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Poincar%C3%A9

>>965205
>The only reason Russia was gonna beat down Austria was because of the German blank check that Austria used to attack fucking Serbia
Russia was humiliated after losing to the Japanese. Russia needed an opportunity to present itself as the hegemon of the Slavic sphere. Also, it was a good way to remove Austrian influence from the Balkans. That's why Russia sided with the Serbian terrorists that were operating in the Austrian vicinity. It was not Germany who incinerated the conflict, it was Russia, by backing Serbia.

>>967121
I think its important to realise that the Russians were horrific diplomats. When it came to Japan they legitimately thought they could stall them for months on end whilst they built up troop numbers and that Japan wouldnt attack. Likewise when you read about the July Crisis Nicky doesn't seem to realize the diplomatic impact of mobilisation and still seemed to think that the Germans would not attack.

>>967121
they backed serbia so much they told them to accept the ultimatum (which incidentally they did in nine points out of ten)
and this was not the first flashpoint in the balkans during that timeframe with both austria and russia involved, yet not a single one of the previous ones led to war
also russia was not the one sending out ultimatums designed to be rejected so they could have their war (including a german ultimatum with two responses prepared - both of which were to mean war regardless of the russians accepting or rejecting it), that would be austria and germany
and by what warped logic could a party that - should we somehow be totally blind to german actions at the time, mind you - was not a part of the initial dispute (those being austria and serbia) the party who "incinerated" the conflict?
also pretty sure you meant ignited there

>>966978
Not the guy you're talking to, but he's right.

France - a liberal republic - backed the most conservative, backwards, authoritarian regime in Europe, which was the Tsarist Russian Empire, in their attempt to protect the country that was perceived as a haven of terrorists that murdered the Austrian heir to the throne.
This is like Canada allying with Russia and Mexico in order to protect Afghanistan after 9/11 from the US invasion.

Both France and Russia didn't do a bit to defuse the situation. They saw war as a legitimate solution to the problem and played a game of chicken with Germany. And Germany played with them and held the course - none of the participants wanted to flinch and be publicly humiliated. There was much at stake here. Russia needed to reaffirm its position as the hegemon of the Slavic sphere, Germany couldn't afford losing its only ally it had left on the continent - which was the dying Habsburg Empire that was already falling apart.

Wars aren't started by singular actions of single parties. They are to be looked at within their historical context, and France and Russia are to blame just as Germany when it came to the outbreak of WW1. Perhaps France to a lesser degree than Russia and Germany, but still.

>>967149
>they backed serbia so much they told them to accept the ultimatum (which incidentally they did in nine points out of ten)
It should have been ten points out of ten.

>>967150
Whilst im all for not placing all the blame on Germany, Russia didnt go into this hoping that war would break out as demonstrated in >>967149 as well as their stopping and starting of their mobilisation.

>>967162
>Russia didnt go into this hoping that war would break out
I don't think it was about hoping that war would break out, but it was definitely about standing their ground - even at the cost that war would break out. That was also the German position.

>>965700
>Nixon
the only thing he did wrong was get caught.

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Last time Chiang Kai-shek and Mao Zedong met in person, toasting to their victory over Japan in 1945

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testing first football helmet

>>967167
Then why give Austria the blank check? Wouldn't it be better to tell them they had Germany's support as long as they didn't try to pressure Serbia into war?

>>967205
Some believe that it was an attempt to localise the conflict, signalling to the other parties involved that Germany would not back down on this so that they'd have to stay out of it lest they wanted to risk the outbreak of a great war.

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>>963431
> why they need 7 nerds to shoot one stylish communist?
You have no idea what one stylish communist can do.

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>>967222
>tfw the nazis made fascist aesthetics unfashionable
objectively worse than the holocaust

>>967225
Considering that Russia didn't want to have that war, and Serbia was ready to agree with Austria on everything that didn't make them into an outright puppet, shouldn't it have been better for Germany to pressure Russia to just accept that?
Any other reason for Germany to want Austria to go to war against Serbia than hoping for a chance for war at a moment in which they viewed their neighbors to be weak? They should have known or at least guessd that Russia couldn't just sit by and lose its face as Austria destroyed an Orthodox Slavic country?

>>966856
> There were mulitple times when he was asked to abdicate and he easily could have either refomred the system or simply just given more responsibility to his far more competent ministers however he stubbornly refused to listen or act on that advice and dragged the whole system with him.
This.

I think Russian Empire was unsalvageable at this point, but last Czar made practically everything possible to make things worse.

>>967150
>This is like Canada allying with Russia and Mexico in order to protect Afghanistan after 9/11 from the US invasion.
So if Afghanistan would have agreed on absolutely everything the US wanted apart from getting troops placed inside their country, you would still have agreed to the invasion?

>>967206
Looks like Something out of a Chinese anti-jap war movie.

>>967234
>shouldn't it have been better
That sentence could be applied to lots of things in history.

>Any other reason for Germany to want Austria to go to war against Serbia than hoping for a chance for war at a moment in which they viewed their neighbors to be weak?
That misses the point because it assumes that Germany was waiting to prey on weaker powers. The German military did not consider itself "strong" in relation to the others, it feared that in the future the others would be even stronger and capable of dictating policy. They didn't feel they were yet ready for a war, they just feared that in the future the situation would be even worse. Keep in mind: Germany is pretty much indefensible and both France and Russia are their enemies. Also, Germany had a spy in the Russian embassy which informed Bethmann-Hollweg about naval talks between the British Empire and Russia in regards to landing operations support in North-East Germany, which completed the German fear of being completely surrounded by enemies. Germany is seen as the aggressor, but frankly - when surrounded by these not exactly friendly powers, it is quite understandable to be a bit twitchy.

>They should have known or at least guessd that Russia couldn't just sit by and lose its face as Austria destroyed an Orthodox Slavic country?
They assumed that Russia wouldn't risk going to war over them. In hindsight this wasn't true, but that's what they believed.

>>963422
Look at his liberal beta face. Good riddance. Goods times are coming... Back.

>>967246
Yes, because obviously the Afghan state had failed at controlling the situation. The US believed that the only way to restore order was to march in themselves.

What good would be the word of corrupt Afghan authorities that tolerate the Taliban operating in their country?

>>967226
Oh man Iron Felix, would have been fun to see him live a bit longer to see his creation consume him

>>967150
why do you say things that are in direct contradiction to what the well sourced linked wikipedia article states? that is, in direct contradiction to actual historiography of the subject?

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>>967285
>well sourced linked wikipedia article

>>967267
Unlikely. Felix and Joseph were bros.

Also, he wasn't simply founder of OGPU/NKVD, but also a chairman of VSNKh (one could compare him to the minister of economy, except most of Soviet economy was state economy).

>>967253
>The German military did not consider itself "strong" in relation to the others
>They didn't feel they were yet ready for a war
Is that why both Moltke and Falkenhayn, during the July Crisis, literally called the situation militarily favorable for Germany and urged for an immediate war?

>>967290
yes, the linked articles are well sourced
i would have recommended a book but i dont expect that anon to either have it or make a well meaning attempt to read it

>>967300
>they didn't feel they were yet ready for a war, they just feared that in the future the situation would be even worse
This makes the current situation "favourable" to them, though not ideal.

>>967304
Well "sourced" mostly from Fritz Fischer who takes a rather one-sided point of view.

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>>967299
>Unlikely. Felix and Joseph were bros.

Yeah but he was old bolshevik and a key figure of the Security Service both categories that were purge bait. I have a hard time telling the difference between someone who was a bro of Stalin and someone who Stalin thought was useful.

>>963857
>posts a fucking drawing

>>967316
no, mostly from albertini
and fromkin, and mombauer, and fischer, and tomaszewski...

>>967341
The point remains that the sources are all biased in a certain way. And the fact that they predominantly picked from these authors shows a certain tendency in the wikipedia article, reminding you why wikipedia shouldn't be blindly trusted.

>>967350
I might add: I'm mostly referring to Fischer and Fromkin here, who clearly stands in Fischer's tradition. And most of the footnotes lead to these two sources.

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>>967317
> Yeah but he was old bolshevik
New generation of politicians also got hit by the Purges. They simply weren't widely known.

> and a key figure of the Security Service both categories that were purge bait.
Well, there were a lot of political enemies of Stalin in the Soviet Security. [spoiler]In NKVD/OGPU to be precise. Soviets had several agencies. Stalin's Control Comitee (the one that oversaw Party members) wasn't really hit by Purges, for example.[/spoiler]

Also, Purges happened 10 years after Dzerzhinsky's death. It's hard to say how the things would've turned out with him alive.

> I have a hard time telling the difference between someone who was a bro of Stalin and someone who Stalin thought was useful.
Nah. There were a few odd cases, but the lines between factions were drawn quite clearly.

>>967350
>>967358
I am not sure if you are the guy who made the claim about France, but at least WIKI guy is bringing up sources for his statements.

>>967405
I'm not the guy who made the initial claims about France, I'm merely questioning the narrative of it all being Germany's fault and that France and Russia were good boys who dindunuffin.

>>965700
>germans will never wave their flags proudly again

>>967418
So what do you think about having a narrative that most of the ones in it was in some way bad, but Germany was the worst?

>>967427
Using words such as "bad" in this context already completely misses the point.

All of the participants had legitimate interests and they had a good reason why they acted as they did. This is not a story of bad guys who went out to do bad things. If anything they can be blamed for stubbornly steering towards an avoidable war that completely ruined Europe - but this blame does not rest on one party alone; whether it rests on Germany more than others is a matter of debate, but the idea of Germany being some sort of "perpetrator" that aimed to conquer Europe is something straight out of war time propaganda.

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>>965181

>>967443
But I don't blame Germany because I think they wanted to conquer Germany, I blame Germany because their rulership and high Command thought Germany was at a risk from the rising power of Russia and that a war was needed to stop Russia from reaching past Germany. I also blame Germany because they clearly was the most aggresive one as they declared war against France without them doing anything to really deserve it, attacked the strictly neutral states of Belgium and Luxembourg to go through with it and refused to participate in the Brittish attempts to make the whole situation calmer, which I think Britain organized and France did participate in.

I may of course be biazed because I am possibly butthurt by the Germanophiles who call the Versailles treaty unfair who think that Germany should have been allowed to keep all the polish territory who they been trying to assimilate into German ones.

>>964813
>>964706
Ratzinger was to young to be Priest during Hitler live.

>>967461
He was a part of the Hitler Jugend actualy.
Think he ended up ignoring most the meetings to end up deserting.

>>967451
>I blame Germany because their rulership and high Command thought Germany was at a risk from the rising power of Russia and that a war was needed to stop Russia from reaching past Germany.
In the same sense you might blame Russia for playing their games at the Balkans and messing around in the sphere of influence of the Habsburg Empire.

>I also blame Germany because they clearly was the most aggresive one
I don't think that is necessarily the case. I would say that Germany was more twitchy than the other powers, since they were in the worst strategic position. It was less a matter of Germany being a local bully than it was the case of Germany being a cornered animal that was lashing out.

>as they declared war against France without them doing anything to really deserve it
France was an ally of Russia. Declaring war on them was the natural response.

>attacked the strictly neutral states of Belgium and Luxembourg to go through with it
Wars are fought to be won. When you're Germany's geo-strategic disposition, the only way to solve such a conflict is by knocking out one of the opponent's first. If you're unwilling to do that, then you might not fight a war in the first place and let yourself get bullied around. It's easy to blame Germany for such actions, but it's questionable whether other powers would have planned any differently had they been in Germany's position.

>and refused to participate in the Brittish attempts to make the whole situation calmer, which I think Britain organized and France did participate in.
As I said earlier: Germany had a spy in the Russian embassy which told Bethmann-Hollweg about naval talks between Russia and the British Empire in regards to Baltic landing operations. Britain was not perceived as a neutral power any more in German eyes.

>>967474
>In the same sense you might blame Russia for playing their games at the Balkans and messing around in the sphere of influence of the Habsburg Empire.
Yet Russia didn't want to have a war against Austria and even pushed Serbia to accept whatever the their weaked neighbor Austrians asked about.
The Germans just jumped at the chance of getting a war with their still weaker ally Russia

>I don't think that is necessarily the case. I would say that Germany was more twitchy than the other powers, since they were in the worst strategic position. It was less a matter of Germany being a local bully than it was the case of Germany being a cornered animal that was lashing out.
Isn't the best thing then to just push really, really mush for your ally to not go to war or not promise to support them whatever they do? And I don't agree to "they were a cornered animal that was lashing out" Wasn't it Germany that had gotten herself in that position by through her own policies making the UK and Russia to change from a pro German stance to a pro French one?


>Wars are fought to be won. When you're Germany's geo-strategic disposition, the only way to solve such a conflict is by knocking out one of the opponent's first. If you're unwilling to do that, then you might not fight a war in the first place and let yourself get bullied around. It's easy to blame Germany for such actions, but it's questionable whether other powers would have planned any differently had they been in Germany's position.
Sorry if I am missing your point, but won't such a stance do away with any sort of international laws of diplomacy or war as all nations at some point gets to a point where they may be better off by breaking those?

If I am using logical fallacies or anything like that I am sorry about it.

>>967232
But Fascist architecture is objectively shit. It's Georgian wankery taken to its natural extreme, a big white box with pretty window dressing.

>>967517
>Yet Russia didn't want to have a war against Austria and even pushed Serbia to accept whatever the their weaked neighbor Austrians asked about.
Which in the end they did not. Refer to the earlier Afghanistan example in >>967256.

>The Germans just jumped at the chance of getting a war with their still weaker ally Russia
The idea of a German plot surrounding the carte blanche has been disputed from multiple sides. It is by no means a clear cut situation here.

>Isn't the best thing then to just push really, really mush for your ally to not go to war or not promise to support them whatever they do?
Not necessarily. Refer to >>967225. The idea was to pose a threat that would discourage the other participants from getting involved at the Balkans in order to localise the conflict.

>Wasn't it Germany that had gotten herself in that position by through her own policies making the UK and Russia to change from a pro German stance to a pro French one?
This wasn't necessarily deliberate strategy in regards to foreign policy but a consequence of inner-politics. The Harden-Eulenburg affair played a role here for example.

The point is: Germany ended up in an isolated position, and in that regard, Germany's fear of being surrounded by hostile nations was understandable.

>won't such a stance do away with any sort of international laws of diplomacy or war as all nations at some point gets to a point where they may be better off by breaking those?
That is exactly what I'm saying. All these treaties are meaningless in the face of people that are dying. If you take up arms, you're fighting to win and it is your responsibility to make sure that you're not wasting the lives of men in an unwinnable conflict.

>>964846

Britain was already overstretched with the land it already held and didn't need even more useless, poor space that it would need to garrison and govern.

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>>965012
This guy

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>>967451
> But I don't blame Germany because I think they wanted to conquer Germany
Nice.

>>964712
MULTI TRACK DRIFTING

>>967194
saved

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>>963483
I'm back.

Pic related.

>>966243
Anon pulled a ton of claims out of his ass without any evidence, there's no argument to make.

>>967731
So they were all shot, right?

>>967212
It's pretty cool to think that initially it was only meant to be temporary and wasn't thought to fit in the cities skyline.

But then people got used to it.

>>967775
When I saw 1 reply I was hoping it'd be this. I wasn't disappointed.

>>965012
Shoo shoo slimey commie.

>>964691
How about that Germany when it formed had the best position in terms of foreign policy.
It did everything it can to alienate Russia and Britain.

>>970334
>It did everything it can to alienate France and Britain.

FTFY