In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.

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Three quarks to muster Spark!

Later, he handed control over the record of the universe and humanity to his chosen writers of sick dank fan-fiction.

>>933186
>created
Into the trash.

>>933354
>in the beginning
>Into the trash.
ftfy

>>933186

>In the beginning of God's creating the Heavens and the Earth,

FTFY.

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>In the beginning
>God
>created
>the heaven and the earth
>mfw

The Bible and the early Jewish tradition never claim creation was ex nihilo, so why are modern Christians so insistent it was? The language used in the original Hebraic is more in line with other religious traditions of its day, with God 'shaping' the Earth using the pre-existing matter extant in the primordial waters/chaos rather than from nothing.

>>933421
why was Hume so spot on?

>>933430

Thinking is a human activity, and humans are more often wrong than right.

This means that skepticism/negative epistemologies/any claim involving 'no', 'won't' or 'don't' will almost certainly be accurate

BUT WHERE WAS GOD WHEN HE CREATED THESE AND HOW DO I GET THERE?

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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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>>933767

>mpw

>>933402
This.

You could probably study the first verse of the bible for your entire lifetime, and still not realize how deep the rabbit hole goes.

>>933429
I think that's just one step backwards; the creator of the primordial water/chaos would also be God.

>>933402
>non-KJV modern catholic perversion

Into the garbage can.

>>933722
Third heaven. First heaven our atmo, second space, third where He lives, overlapping ours at all points and times. It's close. He's close. People in His heaven can talk to people on the ground.

>>933828
It's the Hebrew.

>>933828
In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth --
2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness [is] on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,
3 and God saith, `Let light be;' and light is.

>>933767

So God knew that he would be killed and still went through with it so he basically came down to earth in the form of his son to commit suicide to stop himself doing what he did before which is kill almost all of humanity

>>933402
>>933819

wait what, i dont understand

>>933856
Of course God knows the end from the beginning. He's God.

Maybe ask yourself why He moved forward.

>>933862
This is Young's Literal Translation of the Hebrew of the first few verses >>933838

>implying existance

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>>933767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo3zAdXM4Tk

>>933933
Soon the rebellion will be crushed, indeed.

>>933875
>Maybe ask yourself why He moved forward.

To remove some sort of punishment that didn't need to exist in the first place?

>>933950
Well, let's put it this way. In the bible, God said that if a man planned to build a tower, and ran out of money half way through construction, he'd be rightfully mocked, yes?

Since God plans better than men plan, we can be sure that He took the cost of going forward and weighed it against the benefits of going forward, determined He could do everything necessary to complete this creation, and said "Light, be".

Our job is to take this one life God has given us and jump from the cost side of the ledger to the benefit side.

>>933962
>Since God plans better than men plan

But they're not. He put a tree of knowledge in paradise, then created beings that don't have the wisdom he has, then banned them from eating it, then punished them when they did, despite that he knew all of this was going to happen in advance.

I could come up with a better plan. I make a paradise, I make people, I don't put a tree of knowledge there, because I assume the worst case scenario, and keep it from them, thus saving them from eternal torture.

There, I've just proven that I'm a better planner than your god

>>933186
i thought it was "in the beginning the was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god"

>>933976
what if god planned for man to eat the fruit

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>>933940

>>933970
You say the punishment did not need to exist, but you have no idea what a holy God is.

If you knew what a holy God is, Who is just, righteous, and perfect, you would know that no crime goes unpunished, and that all crimes committed are committed against Him.

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>>933970

>>933976
Yes.

God knew all of this would happen in advance, and went forward anyways.

And yes, the exercise of the agency of free willed moral agents requires apparently viable alternatives to choose from.

You appear to think God would have been better off making a planet full of robots programmed to love Him.

He could have done that, and did not. If you thought about it for a few minutes, you would understand why.

>>933995

So he really hates crime, enough to punish criminals forever, but it never crosses his mind to prevent it before it can happen?

Your god sound like kind of a dumbass

>>933983
That's true; that's how John opens his gospel to demonstrate the eternal and divine nature of Jesus, the Word.

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>>933976
>I know absolutely nothing about theology or the basic tenets of Christianity

Here let me help you, retard.

>>934000
>God knew all of this would happen in advance, and went forward anyways.

Then he was intentionally malicious and I have no reason to worship him. His incompetence caused the eternal torture of billions of people.

>>934003
How do you prevent the hearts of free will moral agents from rebelling against you, and yet provide the opportunity for free will moral agents to love you?

>>934008

>I know absolutely nothing about meaningless, asinine word games that have no real world consequences

fify

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>>933999

>>934011
Malicious.

Could you point out where God said, thought, or did something malicious? Have you even briefly considered the nightmare the universe would be if God were malicious?

>>934017
I'm not even Catholic.

>>934015
You would do well to read any one of those books.

>>934012

You take away everything that causes them to rebel against you. Wasn't your god supposed to be all-powerful or something?

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>>934015
>no consequences

kek

>>934025
So you create robots/zombies?

God made us morally responsible creatures with free will, capable of genuine love.

That is much superior to pre-programmed creatures.

>>934023

No, sorry, I only care about things that have consequences in the real world, not in some conceptual world where some priest set the parameters in his favor in advance

>>934037
>priest

Confirmed for not knowing anything about Christianity.

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>>934027

You forgot a couple

>>934025
What caused Adam and Eve to rebel against God?

Since you have never considered these matters, I will tell you myself.

Eve was deceived by satan in trying to be more spiritual; in trying to be more like God. She believed the lie that if she knew good and evil, then she would be like God.

Adam knew better, and had a choice. Join his now damned wife in the rebellion of satan, or abstain. He chose to join the rebellion of satan, willingly. Whereas Eve was deceived, Adam sinned.

There was nothing that caused the devil to sin. He was the #2 being in the universe, second only to God himself. He was the head of the assembly of angels. He was robed and jeweled and supplied with the most wondrous things of heaven. There was nothing, and no reason, for him to rebel.

And yet rebel he did. Because being #2 went to his head, and he wanted to be #1. And when that thought crosses his heart, he was done. He fell from grace, and was cursed.

He's your spiritual father.

I highly suggest you get adopted away from him.

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>>934037
Yet you probably believe in monkey myth pseudo-science and Flintstone "millions of years" fantasy stories. You believe you're a fish that came from a rock.

Your religion (Darwinism) is laughably stupid, and also dangerous (it leads to nihilism, marxism, socialism, totalitarianism, etc)

>>934037
How would it be possible for you to be an expert in the real world, when you lack basic understanding of what is real?

>>934035
>So you create robots/zombies?

That seems to be God's will either way. He insists on people to mindlessly follow everything he says.

>>934048
>What caused Adam and Eve to rebel against God?

I think a talking snake did. Why didn't God just kill that talking snake? Isn't he able and willing to stop every form of evil?

>>934058
That's your perception of people you don't know.

>>934058
>mindlessly

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." -Hosea 6:4

It's atheists that reject knowledge and resort to illogical conclusions.

>>933828

>Implying a version that literally has to change words around is a good version.

Mark 1:2 is all the reason anyone ever needs to toss KJV into the garbage.

>>933862

I (and he) take issue with OP's translation, the first verse of Genesis is relatively complicated linguistically.

>>933876

I wasn't actually using Young's Literal, I'm Jewish and that's just my own translation from my own understanding of Biblical Hebrew. The pair of אֵתs are superflous if it's just 'In the beginning, God made the heavens and the earth."

>>934067
It's a fascinating question. Why did God wait for 7000 years to throw the devil into the lake of fire?

I said it above; in order for free will moral agents to operate their agency, they must have apparently viable alternatives to choose from.

If you reject God, the devil is there for you to follow.

>>934068

I can say the exact same thing about you. The only difference is that I don't delude myself into thinking that I have the moral high ground. You do

>>934073
>I'm Jewish

I know. I have posted at you many times, and warned you that YHWH has placed a veil over your heart, so that you do not understand Moses and the prophets.

You have to consider this is possible.

Daily reminder that atheists unknowingly follow Satan.

They are useful idiots for the Antichrist agenda.

>>934075
I made no generalizations about your thought processes.

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atheism is a mental illness

>>933429
Actually Jewish tradition is insistent on it. It's a Talmudic doctrine. Yesh M'Ayin, something from nothing.

>>934020
Like I give a shit, Christcuck

>>934074
>in order for free will moral agents to operate their agency, they must have apparently viable alternatives to choose from.

Yes, and as soon as they do, God tortures them forever. That's a pseudo-choice. It's slavery dressed up as freedom.

If I gave you the 'choice' to work for me for free, and I whipped the shit out of you if you refused, you wouldn't call yourself free, would you?

>>934082
I facepalm so much over atheists who become deists.

The devil is a deist. He knows better than most that there is a God.

I think maybe atheists are just really bad at math.

>>933186
Jew fairy tales, no different than any others, and equally stupid.

>>934050
>Creation-"science" believer

Kill yourself

>>934092
I'm sorry you don't realize that you're in a total war, and that the winning side takes everything, and the losing side loses everything.

I would like to think that maybe now you are aware that it's possible, and that God adopting you into His family may just be the best thing that ever happened to you. I know it was for me.

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>>934102
Buttblasted evolutionist detected.

>muh plastic monkeys

>>934102
You don't really believe that rocks came to life after getting hit by lightning, do you?

>>934108
You don't really a magical god-man born of a virgin had to sacrifice himself to himself in order to free humans that he himself had ordained to be "lost" before coming back from the dead, do you?

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Oh, look, another LARP thread.

>>934103

I'd honestly rather be dead forever than lower myself so much that I consider slavery to be freedom. If you seriously think that I'm even thinking about joining your terrible side, I'm afraid you're more delusion than I thought

>>934118
This.

Most Christcucks don't even negate the evil that God has done: rather, they simply call it 'good' in an attempt to avoid pinning any blame on him, hoping he will deign himself to spare them while they abandon the rest of the race to be destroyed. Cowards. No wonder the Romans saw it as a cult of the effeminate and the lowest dregs of society.

>>934117
>all christians are catholic

Atheist education.

>>934112
Attempting to piece together your thought, my basic response is "yes", but there was no magic involved, only power, and only those who believe are free.

>>934118
Being on fire alone in the dark is "being dead forever".

>>934077

No, I don't, because it's nonsense, and would obviate the free will necessary to choose between practice and non-practice that creates a just system. The very notion that God would prevent people from understanding something written to teach about Him is absurd.

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>>934126

It doesn't matter what sect of the cult you belong to, as you all worship the same Jew "god" anyway.

You're just another Jew.

>>934124
That's an oxymoron.

God is inherently good, holy and righteous.

The reason morals, values and ethics exist in humankind is because they are reflections of God's nature.

Lucifer/Satan is the cause of sin, evil and death.

Man is in the middle of spiritual warfare, a cosmic opera, an epic movie.

You're either a slave to God or a slave to the devil.

>933186
It was a very controversial decision and made a lot of people angry.

>>934124
God did no evil.

Killing evil is good.

>>934135
God is not "Good".

If God were inherently "Good", it would mean this quality/concept ("Goodness") is uncreated and eternal as much as God, which is blasphemous to Christian dogma that holds everything that existed, exists, and will exist (matter, energy, concepts, distinctions, etc.) was created and/or ordained by God, and that none of these are eternal (because they did not exist before God).

So can God also possess any of his other commonly attributed qualities? I believe this creates a paradox.

The solution is that God either proceeds from something, or that God is not truly perfect or omnipotent or omniscient, and rather - as stated in the Torah and espoused by early Judaism -, Creation was not ex nihilo: rather, God created from the primordial waters/chaos.

Furthermore, if God is self-contained and omnipotent, to say he is "Good" is to constrain him, for otherwise, it would imply he is compelled to do so and unable to do otherwise.

And actually, you're a slave to yourself.

>>934135
Uh....no.

You're either a slave to the cult of make believe, or a normal rational person that realizes cults are detrimental man made fabrications with no basis in fact.

>>934129
Is it? Or is it a temporary measure, a break in the Old Covenant, in order to usher in, and close out, the New Covenant, made in Christ's blood? And besides, the veil is not permanent; by turning to the Messiah, the veil is rent from top to bottom.

Did not the prophet Jeremiah write that God is going to give Judea a new covenant, unlike the old?

Is that not exactly what Messiah has done?

>>934134
Only God is worthy of worship.

>>934150
And this is exactly what Satan wants you to believe.

Congratulations, you're indoctrinated and brainwashed into the Darwin cult.

>>934149
>slave to yourself
..So a slave to Satan?

Man is a sinner, we are fallen.

Satan wants man to be "free" and reach "godhood" ourselves through "enlightenment" without Christ or the Creator.

>>934149
God is Good. So Good existed before the universe existed. I don't see how you're trying to hamstring qualities of God away from God's creation. God declared the creation good.

We're not seeing the creation He made; we're seeing the broken rubble of the creation He made. And yet, there is still glimpses of "good" in it.

And just because God is omnipotent does not mean that God is a slave to His own omnipotence; if there is something that requires power to achieve, and He does not want to achieve it, He will not do it.

>>934165
So where's your proof?

You keep saying Darwinism is the Devil's tool, so give me some hard facts, evidence, indications, rather than projections.

>>934150
You serve one of two masters; Jesus, or Not Jesus.

There's only one way to follow Jesus, and there are a myriad of ways to follow Not Jesus.

It does not end well for the followers of Not Jesus.

>>934171
satan is a liar, and a thief, and a murderer, and has been so from the beginning of the world. If you want to believe the Father of Lies, you really need to ask yourself why.

All he does is lie.

>>934171
>we are Satan
Deep as fuck.

>>934179
>Freemasons
>Illuminati
>Jesuits
>Luciferianism
>Theosophy
>New Age
>Gnosticism
>Occultism

The elite that control the world worship Satan, and they hate the God of the Bible.

>>934179
People like you don't believe the bible because you believe the world is millions of years old, and the bible does not support that contention.

That one thought alone is enough to send you to hell; that "science" knows more than God, and that your faith in science will eventually be recognized as wise, whereas faith in God will be ultimately seen as useless.

While you were born dead, that's how Darwin killed you.

>>934193
Amen. And their end is sure.

To be friends with the world is enmity to God.

>>934162
Which one?

There's been thousands claimed over the years.

>>934165
"Satan" is just more pretentious bullshit designed to keep the idiots in the cult.

Think for yourself for a change and quit LARPing.

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>>934087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmNb3xJFzkc

>>934182

Except for all those people born before the time of the Jesus Jew cult, and all the people that simply never heard of the Jesus Jew cult.

>>934197
>the world is millions of years old

Try BILLIONS, dumb ass.

>>934262
Do you really believe that?

I feel sorry for you.

>>934247
There is only one true God, and this life was given to you to figure out Who He is, and what He wants of you.

You're failing, miserably, in case you needed to know.

>>934259
There is no time before Jesus, and Paradise was well populated before Jesus died.

>>934262
Thousands.

Things change catastrophically, not incrementally.

>>934262
you do know that "billions of years" has been debunked by Kent Hovind, right?

the earth is about 6000 years old.

not gorillions like pseudo-science says

>>934266
>I feel sorry for you.

Don't, I'll be fine.

>>934267
>There is only one true God

Except when there isn't, like for those born in ancient Greece, or Rome, in places where the Jew cults never got the chance to infiltrate their bullshit.

>>934277
The pagan 'gods' and 'deities' refer to the fallen angels and nephilim described in the Bible and Book of Enoch.

I can't believe this board actually has idiots who believe in Creation "Science".

>>934271
how did he debunk it

>>934281
Book of Enoch isn't even considered canonical ('canon') in most churches, dumb Christcuck fuck.

>>934270
Billions.

Things change incrementally before they change catastrophically, and there are fossil remains of bacteria found in rock samples that are billions of years old.

>>934271
>has been debunked by Kent Hovind, right?

Wrong.

>>934288
Doesn't change the fact that pagan civilizations worshipped demons and Satan. :^)

>>934289
Radiometric dating is unreliable and inaccurate.

It implies radioactive decay has been constant, which you can't know.

>>934277
I'm sorry you think that ignorance of the Law is some sort of excuse.

It is not.

Nor can you hide behind people whom you think did not know of God, because you have to answer to God for you, not for them.

Nobody deserves salvation. Nobody deserves Jesus on that cross. Nobody deserves living in the New Jerusalem. Nobody. Just Jesus.

>>934299
Proof?

>>934294
Correct.

Kent Hovind destroyed and completely tore apart the "theory of evolution".

Darwinism is a religion/cult.
It requires faith to believe you came from a rock without any proof whatsoever.

>>934283
It's not science, because science is observable, testable, and repeatable.

The creation has nothing to do with any of those things.

And therefore science has no role to play in what it did not and cannot observe, did not and cannot replicate, and did not and cannot repeat.

That your faith is in "scientists" is kind of sad.

We believe the Creator about the creation of the earth because we're not diabolically biased not to do so.

>>934289

This rock strata is ten million years old, because we found this ten million year old trilobite in it.

This trilobite is ten million years old, because we found it in this ten million year old rock strata.

That's you. That's what you believe.

>>934310
The fact the fertility goddess is so prevalent among many ancient cultures?

Baal and Semiramis in Babylon.
Osiris and Isis in Egypt.

Greeks had their names for it.
Romans had their names for it.

Maybe try reading "Behold A Pale Horse" by Bill Cooper, instead of being an illiterate imbecile that knows nothing about history.

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>>934303
>scientific method that uses direct observation and trial and error is less reliable than ancient Jew books

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>>934321
There's nothing scientific about Darwinism.

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

It's a myth, it only happens in your head.

>>934321
Correct. Direct revelation from God is far superior to mankind's best guesses.

>>934311
>Kent Hovind

Literally a pseudo-scientist, and an amateur at that who believes crazy bullshit like the Smithsonian Museum organizing raiding parties to murder random Americans and take their skeletons for use in their displays.

This is the best Christcucks have? It's just throwing a temper tantrum and saying "NO IT'S NOT TRUE YOU'RE WRONG LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"

>>934313
You did not observe the Creation or any miracle: you cannot replicate or repeat a single supernatural ability mentioned in the Bible: why is your faith in a book written by men?

>>934330
Picture is so true. The evidence is just the evidence. People see the very same evidence filtered through their worldview.

I see an intact fish fossil, I believe that the fish was suddenly buried under a massive amount of sediment that kept it in basically the same shape, killed it, and eventually mineralized its bones.

An evolutionist sees it, counts the layers of dried mud it's in, and says it's ten million years old.

Same evidence. Different worldviews.

>>934321
>It's better to believe in Satan's lies and deceptions rather than God's truth

>>934306
>I'm sorry you think that ignorance of the Law

Jew law doesn't concern me, nor do their cults.

>>934339
God did.

God did, and told His people what He did. We believe Him because He is God.

I have witnessed many miracles. I hope one day to witness the Creation.

>>934330
>>934331
>t.samefag

Can't hide from a dollchan extension, faggot.

>>934344

It should. You have to stand before the man one day, and give an account of your life.

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>>934349

Stay mad.

>>934349
I'm only one of those, which you would know, if you knew how to samefag.

>>934311

I would argue the point, but you can't argue with unreasonable people.

>>934319
Why is it a surprise that predominantly agricultural civilizations placed importance on agriculture and developed fertility goddess? Are you an idiot?

Also:
>what is syncretism

None of those cultures existed in bubbles, you know, stupid Christcuck

>>934359
It's unreasonable to say abiogenesis happened because we are here.

>>934182
https://youtu.be/IEPn9spdr5A?t=4m25s

>>934359
Atheists are unreasonable and intellectually dishonest.

You will do whatever you can to desperately reject and ignore God.

Your actions have consequences whether you like it or not.

>>934317
This entire universe was created by a magic being, because some assholes that lived in a dessert said so.

That's you. That's what you believe.1

>>934361
And how funny how ancient civilizations and cultures all over the world spoke of a global flood.

The Chinese even mention 8 people surviving it.
Sound familiar?

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>>934330
>Nothing scientific about being able to observe the biological changes in species through fossil records.

I bet you're a muslim Jew, aren't you?

>>934374
Backed by science, theology, philosophy, archeological evidence and supernatural events.

After years of study and research I came to the conclusion that Christianity is correct. The Bible contains the truth.

It's not something I believe in just because I was raised in a "Christian" family or because a priest said so.

>>934374
They didn't say so.

God told them so.

Huge difference.

>>934383
There are literally 0 transitional fossils.

There are supposed to be millions of missing links, yet there are none.

>>934377
Is that the one where the word for boat is like

oooo
----
oooo

?

>>934383
No such thing has ever been demonstrated though.

>>934393
And every one put forward has been a hoax!

>>934043
I never got this attempt to "rebut" Pascal's Wager.
Mathematically it's still better to believe in something than in nothing

>>934050
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part12.html

>>934410
Link arguing why that quote is taken out of contest.

>>934339
>This is the best Christcucks have?

Yes.

Yes, it is.

>>934401
Exactly.

Evolutionists are so desperate that they resort to forging frauds and hoaxes, which they later admitted to.

The fact is that atheists want to escape accountability, so they find comfort in monkey-man science and Star Trek fantasies.

>>934347
>I have witnessed many miracles.

Sure you have, pal.

>>934409
I never got it because it doesn't change anything. Believing there is no God and believing there is a God doesn't make you anything but a deist.

The devil is a deist.

So you just go from fool to devil.

>>934353

The tooth fairy will vouch for me.

I'll be fine.

>>934428
Thank you for displaying your bias so openly.

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ITT: Atheists getting BTFO

Jesus is LORD

>>934431

You stand alone before God. You have no advocate.

My advocate? Jesus. Who saved me? Jesus. Who's my bro? Jesus.

Who were you going to call again? The tooth fairy?

>>934362

See: >>934359

is this accurate or just heretical nonsense?

http://israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/Adam_Was_Not_The_First_Man.htm

tldr: adam was not the first man but the first white man, beasts of the field were a pre-adamic servant race from which cain took his wife

>>934435
Can't actually believe someone old enough to type said that the tooth fairy was going to save them from hell.

>>934439

See the post I responded to?

Which person is being reasonable again? Which person is engaging in dialog? Which person is providing a foundation for their worldview?

>>934377
Flooding is a natural occurrence that happens every...single...year on some part of the planet.

Then you have coastal flooding that happens due to tectonic shifts that create tsunami events, and there's also flooding that happens as a result of meteor impacts, such as the one that happened off the Yucatan.

No need for Jew magic or fairy tales to create flooding, anon.

>>934435
>ITT:Christcucks samefagging and atheists preferring to go the other more entertaining and engaging threads on /his/ than remain on the one filled with deluded dotards.

>>934389
>It's not something I believe in just because I was raised in a "Christian" family or because a priest said so.

No, it's something you created because you are an unreasonable person.

>>934456
Over 200 global flood stories.

200.
GLOBAL.
Flood stories.
From unconnected civilizations all over the world.

That all happen to have the same similarities (God is angry, sends deluge, family survives on a boat).

Yep, just a coincidence.

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>>934461
You're the one taking an unreasonable position.

Atheists are illogical.

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>>934473

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>>934474

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>>934476

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>>934479

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[citation needed]

>>934377
Source?
I can't find anything where they say exactly 8 people survived.

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>>934393
A whale is a "transitional" fossil, as you can observe the mammalian characteristics that changed over time, and that are different than fish.

A human is a "transitional" fossil, as you can observe the vestigial remnants of our jaws that shrank over time, and of our tails that no longer exist.

Dogs are a "transitional" fossil: pic related

>>934506
Variation within a kind =/= evolution

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Here, read the truth here, Darwinists.
Learn why your "God" Darwin is a false one.

>>934432
I am 100% biased against the ridiculous notion of "miracles", as they are about as stupid as "gods".

>>934437
Santa Claus will put in a good word too, I'm sure....you know, for the cookies.

>>934468
Do you not know how tsunami's work?

You don't, do you?

>>934518
What do you think about UFOs, ghosts and other supernatural events, then?

>>934468
That is really unusual, actually. But given that many world religions profess this event, how do you know which religion has the right version, or which religion is the true one?

>>934456

Global flood.

As in, see from space, see only water no matter where you look.

>>934461
Hello, Mr. Pot.

But how did God come about?

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>>934393
May someone spend a moment and tell me why the various Human Fossils don't count as transitional fossils?

>>934543
http://www.compellingtruth.org/who-created-God.html

>>934511

Variation within a kind, until it varies so much as to be considered a new kind.....exactly.

See, this isn't hard at all, anon.

>>934505
Kang and Nelson, Discovery of Genesis, 40-41 (create—see also Genesis 2:7), 54 (garden), 55 (week of seven days—see Genesis 2:2-3 and Exodus 20:11), 95-97 (boat, flood—see Genesis 6–9 and 1 Peter 3:20).

>>934547
Variations within a kind =/= evolution

There is a limit.

>>934550
I were talking about that Chinese flood myth.

>>934506
Nobody said things don't change over time. Over time, two dire wolves turned into chihuahuas.

But they're still dogs.

Whales are still whales.

Humans are still humans.

>>934549
>until it varies so much as to be considered a new kind

Which has never been observed.

This has nothing to do with science and is completely religious.

You BELIEVE dogs can turn into whales or bananas, you don't have any evidence to back it up.

>>934533

UFO's are simply unidentified objects. Not too hard to understand.

As for the "supernatural"? It's a combination of bullshit, and unexplained naturally occurring phenomena.

>>934518
Yes, you are unreasonably biased; it's called a "normalcy bias".

>>934552
Shouldn't the Bible be talking at least a little bit about how Humans began to evolve after Eden though?
Like how people likes the Neatherthals came about.

Also, anyone care to explain to me how we can see light millions of light years away if the earth is just a few thousands of years old.

>>934536
The geological, and fossil records, clearly demonstrate that no such event EVER happened since man has been on the planet.

There have certainly been localized and regional flooding events though.

>>934543
God is an eternal spirit being. He has always existed, exists, and will always exist. Hence the name I Am That I Am, or more properly, I Will Be That I Will Be.

>>934560
Mate, there are thousands of legitimate and genuine footage of unexplained phenomena happening, aswell as alphabet organizations having folders and classified documents on them.

Just because a few are hoaxes or pranks doesn't mean all of them are. I doubt you have even looked into it at all.

>>934547
Because it counters my argument, that's why!

>>934547
They're just different sized heads.

Hulk Hogan and Peter Dinklage have vastly different skulls.

>>934549
There is no until. It has never been witnessed, observed, or happened.

Just robust DNA, and adaptation. Micro-evolution stuff.

Your jump to macro-evolution stuff is completely in the dark.

>>934554
So read the reference source you asked for.

>>934564
It's highly likely that when human beings lived to very old ages, like 969 years old, that they left behind different skeletons, and different skulls.

>>934566
The fossil record is the evidence of the global flood.

>>934564
the bible does mention a race before humanity which was destroyed for not being interested in seeking out god

or something like that

>>934568
Sorry, but don't think that the existence of the paranormal somehow means Christianity is real.

I believe in ghosts, UFOs, ESP, etc. But the Christian religion is completely ridiculous. One doesn't need "science" to find how flawed it is: actually, one can do it with history and logic.

>>934564
>Neanderthals

These are the skulls of pre-flood man.
They are superior to us in every single way.

>Stronger
>Bigger
>Smarter

They also have very tough jaw bones. This signifies that they lived a very long time (your jaws get stronger the more you eat). The Bible says that man before the flood lived to be hundreds of years old, and here we have bones and skeletons of our superior ancestors to confirm it.

There is entropy, not evolution. We are getting worse, not better. Our genes are being polluted and our bones get more fragile.

Very different from your Flintstone cartoon caricature of club-wielding cavemen.

>>934578
Okay, thanks, mind if I just ask for the name of the flood?
Not sure if I should go and look through some book just to learn about the simple name of some flood.

>>934583
Kind of. The fallen angels mated with human women and created a hybrid race. Noah and his family were pure in their generations, and they were the last ones left. They were saved, and everyone else drowned.

>>934583
a "race" that was half angel. if you want to claim neanderthals are that half falled angel race then you still haven't accounted for all the other non-homo sapien humans

>>934552
>Variations within a kind =/= evolution

Yes, it does equal evolution. That's how it works.

A species adapts and changes to survive in a given environment, and over time, they change so much that they become a different species.

Just like dogs.

Just like people.

Just like everything else on the planet.

>>934583
Nephilim skeletons have been found with giant deformed heads, in places like Egypt and Peru.

The Smithsonian did a project to dig them up and hide them in a basement, because it proves the Bible is correct and poses a challenge to the Darwinian narrative.

>>934604
*fallen

>>934563
Biased against bullshit? Yes.

Probability? Not at all.

>>934607
claiming something being Nephillim and it actually being Nephillim are completely different things

>>934607
Yeah, the Smithsonian also organizes raiding clubs to kill random Americans to take their body parts to put in their exhibits, right?

This is what Hovind and Christcucks actually believes

>>934605
There are tons of dog variations.

But guess what? They are still dogs! They do not change to a different animal. It's just variation within a genepool.

Do you think you can breed a dog the size of Texas, or the size of an ant? No.

Horses also prove that evolution is bullshit.

For years have we trained horses to be faster in order to win in the race tracks. According to evolution we should be able to breed horses with wings so that they can fly and beat everyone else.

Mutations and DNA is a stumbling block for evolutionism. It's a statistical impossibility.

>>934590
There was only one global flood.

iirc, the Chinese used "Vessel" + "Eight" + "Mouths" to draw "Boat", and to draw "Flood", used "Water" + "Total" + ("Together" + "Earth" + "Eight").

>>934604
They're the artist renditions used by autists for the false proposition that mankind evolved from a missing link.

They don't exist.

>>933436
>This means that skepticism/negative epistemologies/any claim involving 'no', 'won't' or 'don't' will almost certainly be accurate
No it won't

>>934613
Biased.

It's not a compliment.

>>934615
Claiming you want evidence and then discarding all the evidence are completely different things too.

>>934091
>atheist education

>>934628
the fossils speak for themselves

>>934621
So you didn't have any legend, just that they call the boat "eight" something"?

>>934643
Yes, they do. They say that they were suddenly killed, intact, pressed into mud layers, and preserved.

Which is what one would expect from a catastrophic flood with catastrophic sediment.

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>>934628
>>934643

>>934636
wanting legitimate evidence isn't asking for too much. if I say I'm going to prove to you the existance of ducks and show you a pig I couldn't then say "well you just won't accept the evidence"

>>934639
Who cares? The Catholics think they're right and everyone else is wrong; the Protestants think they're right and everyone wrong; the Orthodox and Eastern Churches too.

The fact that these denominations can use the same book to hold beliefs that at times are opposites and antithetical of each other is enough to show what a terribly inconsistent book the Bible is.

Fuck off, Christcuck.

>>934644
Er, yes, they drew their pictogram of boat to mean vessel with eight people. Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their three wives, are 8 people. On a very big boat.

>>934636
>Here's some evidence but you can't see it cause there's a conspiracy, but trust me it's legit

>>934650
killed instantly in layers of mud so that they are orderly arranged? show me a trilobite outside of the cambrian layer

>>934653
You don't follow any known measure of reason to me, though.

To me, it's been demonstrated for thousands of years, and never discredited, not even once, that anything properly in the bible is true.

The nephilim, hybrid angel/humans, evil beings, are properly documented in the bible.

And here you are, wanting proof of them.

But not from the bible.

And when we show you evidence of any giants, which the nephilim were, you again say you want evidence that those giants were the nephilim.

And your counterargument is as follows:

>>934656
That's the absolutely only thing you got on the number eight outside the bible?
Which isn't even connected to a legend, but just a word?

>>934655
Christians think God is right, and everyone else is wrong.

And guess what?

That's true.

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I still need any answers to why we can see things billions of light years away from us.

>>934664
Explain to me how they were found on the tops of mountains, when they live at the bottom of the sea.

The Cambrian layer is just a layer of mud. It's not an epoch, as you imagine. And the Cambrian explosion, life fully developed, is evidence of creation, not evolution.

Tell me how kangaroos made it off the Ark and to Australia without leaving a fossil anywhere else

>>934676
Are you quite literally insane? someone mentioned in the thread that the Chinese had a global flood legend, and that they even put it in their alphabet.

>>934688
>Explain to me how they were found on the tops of mountains, when they live at the bottom of the sea.
Plate tectonics

>>934688
Continental plates, heard of them?

Shouldn't we find zero fossils at the top of mountains if what you are saying is true, since the pressure from the flood would be much lower there than at the bottom?

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>>934473
>>934474
>>934476
>>934479
>>934480
Didn't read none of that shit...

>>934699
??? that's not how plate tectonics works

>>934685
Not a problem.

You're not.

You're seeing their light trail as they were stretched out by the hand of God on Day Four.

What you see, in the sky, that you imagine is tens, or hundreds, or thousands, or millions, or billions of light years away.....

...no longer exists.

This is my opinion, and does not come from a Jack Chick tract, and my brother in Christ here may or may not have come to the same conclusion.

But the assumption that a star a million light years away emitted a proton a million years ago that traveled at c and just hit your eye is a false assumption. It's reasonable to believe, but a false assumption.

>>934690
Huge floating mats of dead trees and organic debris that circulated the post-Flood world following ocean currents.

The marsupials got pushed out of the good ground faster because the placental mammals breed and predate better than the marsupials.

>>934699
>>934702
You do realize these are trolls, right? Some of the things they have said are so ridiculous ("if evolution is real, we should have bred horses with wings already!") that I don't want you two to keep wasting time. And well, if he is actually serious... kudos for parading his idiocy around and calling it virtue.

>>934699
I guess you haven't put much thought into the matter.

>>934698
?
I asked for any flood legend where only eight people survived.
He didn't show me any, just that they had a word for boat with eight people in it.
I know of one flood myth where two people survive, which is far less than 8.

>>934714
that's literal nonsense. why would all marsupials float in the same direction?

>>934704
>plates run into each other
>one plate pushes the other up
>land on one plate that was previously underwater is now a mountain

literally 5th grade shit anon

>>934702
The world was not made broken; the world broke. The Flood wasn't 40 days and nights of rain; it was that plus the opening of all of the fountains of the deep, and the triggering of all of the volcanoes on earth. It was an ELE, not a storm.

It changed the world. The water covered the world for almost a year, and when it finally went back into the crust of the earth, everything was changed. What was once at the bottom of the ocean is now at the top of a mountain.

>>934717
Noah's ark had 8 people on it.

Are you trying to say you have never heard of Noah's ark?

>>934724
All the animals on the debris rafts would be hostages, and would disembark when possible. That's the theory, and it's not from the bible. It's from studying the animal kingdom as though all the continents were connected by land v connected by ocean currents.

>>934715
>You do realize these are trolls, right?
You'd be surprised to find out how many people actually believe this shit. There's a reason the Creationist Museum is a real place.

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>>934715
I think I am gonna stop it now, thanks for your care.

>>934725
that doesn't happen in a few hundred or thousands of years which is the most that your model allows for. plates moving that fast woul kill everything. everything

>>934725
Go ahead and calculate the energy necessary for that.

Protip: Use a 6000 foot column of water.

>>934732
The question is, what are they doing on 4chan?
Shouldn't this place be avoided by any true Creatonist Christian?

>>934732
The guy calling people trolls is a troll. That's how that works.

>>934734
Almost as though everything on earth died in the flood.

But for Noah's ark.

>>934726
So by that logic we should find evidence of land animals and even human civilization at the bottom of the ocean.

>>934736
Light shines brightest in the darkness.

And you people redefine darkness.

>>934743
They did. Atlantis. and other underwater pyramids and edifices.

>>934741
that would cause massive tsunamis like we've never seen, killing even the sealife and especially everything on some boat

>>933186
If your desired purpose was to bait, then you've done it OP

>>934747
Got any evidence of that? Every piece of evidence of human civilization is close to shore, nothing is found in the deep sea so far, which goes against your theory.

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>>934747
>Atlantis

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Just an open question.
Is there any Darwinist that became a Creatonist form these threads? Or A Creatonist becoming a Darwinist from them?
Or someone losing belief in both?

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>>934783
It's true.
Humans turned into Fossils during the last great flood.

>>934749
The boat was made for one purpose, and one purpose only. Float.

A tsunami at sea is only a few feet high; it's only massive at the coastline.

>>934764
People hugged the shore until the 15th century.

>>934795
source? those look like the stone soldiers in a chinese emperor's tomb

>>934785
Only one of those is even possible; no Christian would suddenly think God is wrong, the bible is wrong, and himself just an evolved monkey.

It's for the "evolved monkey" to make up his mind that God is right, and the bible is right, and everything he thought was "natural" is not.

>>934803
I may go and find them for you, yet search for yourself and you will find the true.
Children from ancient civilization fossiled by the Flood.

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>>934810
Forgot pic

>>934797
waves can capsize boats at sea, especially if it's from a massive upheaval of continents like you are claiming. and the boat design detailed in genesis is terrible. modern attempts at recreating it have not been able to be seaworthy

>>934785

Arguments against the lunacy, and pretense, of "religion" makes a lot of them actually think about the bullshit they've been fed all their lives.

Actually thinking about the bullshit is a start...

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>>934795
lol

>>934810
just tell me where you found them. I think that's a reasonable request

>>934811
>that file name

Then where did god come from?

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>>934818
lemonparty.org

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>>934810
>find the true.

>>933986
Then why did he punish them for that? Isn't that incredibly cruel? Why not just cut out the bullshit and just arbitrarily exile them for absolutely nothing, exact same thing.

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>>934831
Not even the nobles escaped the wrath of the flood, which we can see on this fossil.

>>934071
Are you allowed to choose whether or not to obey god's laws or not? No you don't have a choice you just have to MINDLESSLY (thus that anons use of the word) follow what god tells you to do, like a robot, or he punishes you horribly. In what way is that free will? It's like agying that you've got free speech when you'll get sent to jail for criticizing the government because hey you were free to talk in the first place, whatver happens after that is irrelevant.

>It's atheists that reject knowledge and resort to illogical conclusions.
Yeah it's so illogical to conclude that something that has absolutely no evidence for it's existence whatsoever probably doesn't exist, we should all start believing in bigfoot and the loch ness monster while we're at it who cares there's no proof for them.

>>934868
*it's like arguing

>>934813

Not that idiot, but it's interesting that the Hebrew word used isn't אֳנִיָּה (ship) but rather תֵּבָה (box, closet)

>>934954
So Noah was hiding in the closet?

>>934954
so was the Ark actually a gateway to Narnia?

>>934548
>>934567

Yeah, that didn't really explain anything. May I refer either of you to the scientific method?

>>936269
Holy shit, are you a real person? Is this some sort of automated cleverbot response?

>>934430
>>934409
It means that if you pick the wrong god, you're fucked regardless.

>>934468
"Cuckold" is derived from "horned" or "horned man" in nearly every language (at least Western and Near East).

Does that mean God is responsible for cuckoldry? No it comes from a single analogy to do with roosters.

Widespread phenomena have logical explanations.

>>934043
How the fuck do you read this graph?

>>936317

No, but there is no proof there other than “well god has no creator he just is" which isn't actually any kind of evidence is it? Right now we're at the third step and there's no way to really test it.

Things would be much simpler if God actually did something once in a while that could be documented and observed. A legitimate miracle that proves it exists would be pretty good.

Too bad, I guess.

>>933186
Bərêšîṯ bārā ’ĕlōhîm ’êṯ haššāmayim wə’êṯ hā’āreṣ.

Also what does /his/ think of this translation?
http://www.mechanical-translation.org/mt/translation1.html

>>937559
>what does /his/ think of this translation?
We don't

>>937581
lel

>>937559
Needs more diacritics, I still can make out some letters.

>>937483
You're fucking retarded. You're literally too fucking stupid to live.

>>937559
bĕrēʾšît bārāʾ ʾĕlōhîm haššāmayim wĕʾēt hāʾāreṣ

>>939568

Because I don't believe in something that doesn't exist?

>>939999

>>933421
could you please expand on the point you are making?