nationalism and violence

>>920568
What's your point?

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Better thread topic:
Was Roman patriotism functionally different from nationalism?

>>920568
So, you're saying the most powerful empires of the past are weak?

>>920568
Fuck off Bill, you stupid cunt.

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>>920574
>>920590
>>920591
>>920593

im saying in the end has it made Europa weak?

>>920590
Not really. The republic/state was deified. If you've seen HBO's Rome, you can get an idea of what this was like through Lucius Vorenus, who is described as a "strict Catonian". Today we say church and state are "separated", but patriotism is just driven by Judeo-Christian principles. I'm not saying there aren't atheists who would die for their country, just far less of them.

>>920600
Yes, if everyone dropped their nationalism and replaced it with finding common ground in religion or ideology we would become much stronger. The problem is that we has never done that and the first push to create a unified Europe to stand up against its Muslim and Pagan enemies failed when not enough people accepted the emperor of the HRE as their supreme overlord.
Europe have always been much more of a region than a unity.

>>920612
That's probably because that nationalism require some sort of higher idea since it puts your personal pleasure beneath the well being of the group. Or so I think.

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>USA is one of the most powerful empires to exist in their post WW2 state
>dropped literally the most powerful weapon in the history of mankind
>nationalistic to the extreme
>still at the top of the power rankings
>still in existence and still BTFO everyone else

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

>>920640
What nationalism requires most is mob mentality. (As does religion). When you have these things working in tandem, your society becomes more stable. Seems like a logical thing to pursue.

>>920680
Yes, though that requires that the religion don't cause the mob to oppose progress in society, which will just cause the mob further on.
An example of this is how the Ottomans banded the Printing press to be used by Muslims and to print in Arab Script.

>>920653
>USA
>nationalism
>one of the most white guilt riddled countries in the world
You might be looking for the word "patriotism" senpai

People would be violent without nationalism see crusades, muslim conquests, and every single war fought before Nationalism was a thing