Was he French or German?

The fact that Germans can't even pronounce his name should answer that question for you.

>>911295
He was Germanic so neither. Learn your history.

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>>911295
African

>>911303
Are you saying the French and Germans aren't Germanic?

>>911310
French are more Celtic than germanic

>>911310
A square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not necessarily a square. Charlemagne was a rectangle that was not a square.

>>911310
The French are a bunch of people of different European groups.

>>911317
Are you sure? I though the Franks wiped out any celtic influence on France after their empire was long established.

>>911319
Yes, he was a Frank, but were Franks more closer to French people, or German people?

He was Frankish

>>911295
Pretty sure neither country existed at his time.

>>911330
It's bait

Ignore it

>>911330
WUZ

>>911335
He's very likely the same /pol/tard that posted the bait.

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>>911331
Considering the French and German people both came from the Frankish Empire I would say they were equally close. If I knew more about Frankish culture I might be able to claim its closer to medieval French culture vs medieval German culture or vice versa.

But I really don't.

>>911308
The thing which bothers me most is that isn't the HRE crown; it's the crown of St. Stephen, the crown of Hungary.

>>911350
WE WUZ MAGYARZ N SHEIT TOO

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>>911346
Europeans are very close to each other anyway.

>>911339
Nope. Stay in denial tho, whiteboi

>>911295
Born in Germany, spent most of his time in Germany, and natively spoke the ancestor of the German language.

He was German. /thread

>>911295
He predates those nationalities. He was Germanic though.

>>911331
>>911346
Franks were a Germanic tribes that geographically originated in modern day Germany. They got caught up in the power vacuum following the fall of the WRE, and took control of gaul, but they were always quite outnumbered by the local celts that had already been there. The answer is that Germanics were more of a ruling class, more German than french. Charlemagne actually spoke a proto German language, not a romance language, so I would say he was definitely more German. Also remember, he was buried in Aachen, which was and is German

>>911377
This. "French" and "German" are later creations, both of which national identities have roots in his reign. That's not to say they aren't *real* as much as any other national identity is, but he was neither.

Indo-European

>>911383
>Frankish
>proto German

Oh boy

I don't know what to do with you, anon

>>911295
He was neither. He was FRENKISK

The question is how close are French to the Franks?

>>911419
Well first how do you define the measure of distance between two cultures?

>>911295
Yes.

>>911346
You didn't save that .gif properly.

>>911440
I'm pretty sure the lag is from the .gif itself. That being said it has been so long since I saved it it may just be I messed it up sure.

>>911471
>lag
Okay, I just had it open for one second and assumed you saved it as an image.

>>911475
No problem I did the same thing after I posted it since I hadn't watched it in awhile and thought I had fucked it up too.

>>911392
He spoke a dialect of old high German, I dont think you know what you're talking about

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Both and neither. He was Frankish.

>>911365
The fuck is FST?

>>911295
European

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>>911295

He was Carolingian

>>911295
Was Alexander the Great Slavic or Turkish?

>>911571
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=genetics+fst

>>911295
He was made of gold.

>>912139
I thought Brad Nealy only did Washington and JFK.

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>>912142
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY

>>911295
He's pretty much the originator of both nationalities, so both and neither

He spoke a proto-German language, which is as far as is it can get from being anywhere near 'French'.

Getting invaded by Germans? Yes, WE WUZ CHARLEMAGNE!

Getting raped by Normans? Yes, WE WUZ ENGLISH NOBILITY!

>>911308
For fuck's sake.

HE WAS FUCKING DUTCH YOU STUPID HIS NAME IS "KAREL THE GROTE" translate to CARL THE GREAT! He was NOT German and absolutely NOT French! He was born in near vlevoland in a dutch village!!!

>>911336
KANGZ

>>912399

>WI ZIJN FRANKE EN SCHEES

>>912399
>DUTCH

Sounds familiar...

Southern Belgian

He was Mexican

t. history professor

>>911317
>>911324
The French are literally primarily divided genetically between either being Celtic or Germanic. The language remains Celtic but genetically speaking the French are close to the Germans.

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>>912481
>the language remains celtic

>>912490
>Descended from Gallo and other Celtic languages as much as influenced by Latin

>>912481
>the French are close to the Germans.

Yeah, because the Celts had settled in Germany, and not because of a lot Germanic genetical influence in France.

>>912481
>The language remains Celtic but genetically speaking the French are close to the Germans.

lol

>literally has two french words in his name
>not french

>>911310
They're Germanic, but not all Germanic are German or French

>>911302
>>912575
bait

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>>912481
>The French are literally primarily divided genetically between either being Celtic or Germanic.

No. The French are a mix of celtiberian, celtic and latin people with a touch of germanic blood in the east and north. They are certainly not divided genetically between "celtic and germanic" types, the germanic type is the minority while the celtic (+celtiberian) types are the majority.

>The language remains Celtic

No it bloody doesn't. It's bastardized vulgar latin like in most latin countries. Celtic influences on the vocabulary and grammar are minimal.

>genetically speaking the French are close to the Germans.

See above. Only the chtis and the eastern french have germanic admixture in high quantities, but they are mixed like everyone else, the country is mostly celtic, and more closely related to the southerners than to the Germans.

HE

>>911295
Does it even matter? Europe will study the Islamic Caliphates anyway in the next century anyway instead of him.

>>912615
We already study both.

>>912624
Yes, you will study ibn Al-Walid instead of Belisarios, like a good ummah.

>>912631
Actually we do not study the muslim expansion, just the golden age. Showing the invasion of the Byzantine and persian empires by the religion of Peace and Enlightenement wouldn't fit the narrative.

Which is another reason we skip the Byzantine Empire entirely.

>>912399
Dutch and German are the same people

>>911545
this is the correct answer

>>912659
*Ethnically, yes.

France and Germany didn't exist. Stupid fucking question.

>>912946
France existed though. It's, you know, what Charlemagne was king of.

>>912946
Arguably France has existed from the point the Franks won at Soissons and took over the Roman administration of the Gauls.

>>911295
German you idiot.

>>912971
you must be retarded

He was a Frank, which at that point literally means the exact same thing as French.

He was also Germanic, which has nothing to do with being German despite those two words sounding similar in English. Germany or Germans didn't exist in any way.

>>912607
This.

He was a Frank, so neither.

He was born in Belgium, spoke a language that was certainly more similar to German than French, spent most of his time in Germany, was mostly surrounded by those from Austrasia, etc. So, he was more German than French.

>>911295
Belgian

>>911302
His name is actually Karl.

>>911295
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHW5ZGAf4vk

Can French people even write Karl der Große?

>>911308
WE
WUZ
'''HOLY'''
''''ROMAN'''
'''EMPIRE'''

>>913845
>Charlemagne

Seems like we can.

>>912607
Alpine master race.

He was a proud roman.

>>912607
Why are there so many roman bloodlines in Anjou and Berry? Did they all flee there after the great migrations and Soissons fell or something?

>>911295
He spoke a language closer to Dutch.

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>Was this guy X or Y?
>in an era before X or Y existed

>>911383
Didn't the Franks come from the area that's the current-day Netherlands above the Rhine?

>>911295
Neither countries existed at the time. Geographically Belgian, and somewhat of a forefather for the Benelux, Germany and France.

>>914062
The Franks originally settled around modern Belgium with their capital at Tournai. Then they conquered all of Gaul. Charlemagne was born another three centuries after that, and he was most likely born around Herstal near Liège, which is in Belgium.

The post you're quoting is nothing but bullshit.

>>912990
This.

>>912607
How are French ethnically Latin? I'm pretty sure Romans had little genetic impact outside of Italy.

>>912607
>Dinaric
Yugoslavia confirmed French

>>914694

Well consider Gaul lost a big chunk of its population during the wars with the Roman Republic, and then turned into Colonia central for thousands of retired legionnaries and their families for 400 years.

>>911295
Roman

The French
>hate all things Germanic and consider them to be barbarian
>speak a Romance language

Charlemagne
>was Germanic and a patron of Germanic art and culture
>spoke a Germanic language

He's the opposite of a Frenchman

>>914694
Occitans.

>>915347
>the french
>literally called france and not gaul because of the franks

>he was neither french, nor german, nor great

>>915358
speaking of this, anyone know when did the "c" in France become a soft c rather than a hard c like in Frank?

He wuz roman

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The franks were LITERALLY a germanic tribe that LITERALLY spoke a germanic language (frankish). So there's no argument to be made here. The concept of being "french" didn't even exist back then.

He most definitely was german, yes. Only butthurt frogfuckers will try to claim otherwise

>>915514
Like most sound changes between very different phonemes, this happened in a number of stages.
1. k -> kʲ before front vowels, since Classical Latin (but still an active process much later)
2. kʲ -> tsʲ, by c. 800 (?)
3. tsʲ -> ts, by c. 900
4. ts -> s, c. 1250

>>916317
interesting, thank you

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>>911295
>buttmad Frogs at it again
Karel de Grote was Belgian

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>>916226
>Germanic = German

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>>916418
>Frankish = French

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankish_language

>>916437
He never said Franks were French.

>>916418
yes

>>916464
So the English, Dutch, Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, and Icelandic are German?

>>916775
No, in the same way that Americans aren't English.