Who was the most based US President?

LBJ

>>74684
>Who was the most based US President?
Way to end your thread as soon as it begins.

FDR

>>74684
Ike did very little wrong

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Theodore Roosevelt. His stance in the Mine Workers' Strike masterfully represents everything the government should strive for in its interations: it shouldn't pick a side, and should threaten to punish both sides unless they do what's necessary for the common good of the people.
If Teddy had chosen the Corporations OR the workers, he would've destroyed the one at the expense of the other. But he had no obligation to either of them, his only obligation was to the people, and so he protected their interests instead.

>>74760
Without a doubt.

>>74720
Correct.

>>74760
>>74936
Jacksonkeks pls go

>>74720
>>75015
Fuck you and your cripple god president lolberals.

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>>74699
>the treatment
>great society

Grant
>>74699
>>74720
Leave now and never come back

>>74684
Calvin Coolidge obviously.

>>76354
>>76026
FDR is based as fuck. And I'm conservative.

Obama did nothing wrong.

>>75015
>not liking Andrew "Putting lead in feather heads" Jackson
How's the cock up your ass feel?

>>74684
James K. "Fuck Mexico" Polk

>>74720

You're thinking of Theodore.

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Ronald "Making The Reds Dead" Reagan

>>74720

as much as I like him, FDR had a totalitarian streak and tried to subvert the balance of powers through the court packing scheme.

that brings him down a couple of notches in my book.

Reminder that those claiming FDR and LBJ are b8.

>>76462
>muh WW2 GRESTEST GENERATION
no shit you're conservative

>>76500
this.
only president to actually deliver on all of his campaign promises

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Not the most based, but he never gets any credit.

James Polk.

Polk expanded America from sea to shining sea. The Mexicans attacked us in Texas north of the Rio Grande, and so the Jacksonian, Polk, wages war against the newly formed Mexican Republic. Zachary Taylor defeated the bloodthirsty general Santa Anna and the US territory was massively expanded. Polk never gets his due, but he was a great president, even if he wasn't the most likeable.

This list doesn't include any president after Reagan because it is way too political instead of historical. I am making this as unbiased as possible

>best presidents
Theodore Roosevelt
Lincoln
Jefferson
Jackson
Washington
Reagan
Kennedy

>worst presidents
Buchanan
Lyndon Johnson
Carter
Harding

>underrated
Coolidge
Nixon

>overrated
Franklin Roosevelt

>>76026
Why is it that American conservatives never know what Liberalism is? Anything which isnt conservatism = liberal to you morons. What about Gladstone in England? He was a liberal, and yet his free market policies are clearly more favoured by conservatives. FDR held some socially liberal values, but I would not call him a liberal, more like a social democrat perhaps.

Please, read a book.

>>77452
Neither side use the word correctly, but that is a discussion for another board.

anyone making a pick other than Lincoln or FDR is kidding themselves

>>77347
Kennedy on judging presidents:

>No one has a right to grade a president - even poor James Buchanan - who has not sat in his chair, examined the mail and information

but I think we can all agree Buchanan a shit

>>77485
Indeed but it is always Americans who fail to define it correctly - British people can distinguish liberalism and socialism, or liberalism and populism. So can French, German or Swedish people regardless of their political stance.

Once again, why is it always Americans who are wrong?

>conservakeks un-ironically saying Reagan
Muh trickle down wealth

>>77347
How is Coolidge underrated? Seriously what is the rationale behind this?

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>Unarguably based
Washington
Jefferson

>Good presidents, bad methods
T. Roosevelt, Polk, McKinley

>Shit presidents that are idolized undeservedly
Madison
Lincoln
F. D. Roosevelt
Kennedy

>Scum
A. Johnson
L. B. Johnson
Nixon
Reagan

>Presidents that are scapegoats for bigger problems and are actually pretty decent
Carter
Hoover

>>78054
The fact that no one ever talks about him yet he was a good president for one.
>>77977
If you are too stupid to differentiate between a historical discussion and political debate than you belong on /pol/ or tumblr.

>>78305
He gave a speech to die for that's for sure.

>>78290
- How was FDR and Lincoln shit? Please expand rather than make useless claims.
- How was LBJ scum? I presume Vietnam, correct? Was that really his fauklt?
- How was Hoover a scapegoat? He was an idiot who did the exact opposite of ehat to do to deal with a recession.

>>78481
He is never talked about because he was pretty lackluster - he did basically nothing to note in his presidency, all there is to note is that his attitude was laissez-faire to a dumb degree.

>>74822
>ironically liking him

HE IS FUCKING RETARDED

NOT FOR THE RACIST SHIT BUT HE RUINED HIS OWN COMPANY

>>78847
>HE IS FUCKING RETARDED
>NOT FOR THE RACIST SHIT

That's all that really matters.

Nobody can fix the US economy because it's not in the peoples' control anymore.

>>77347
I know its early and all, but Bush has to be in the list of worst. Even with terrible wars in the media and economy collapsing, his second term was so full of corruption it was like reading about Grant in a primer.

Also, Grant

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pic explains everything. You cannot get more based.

>>78910
he was a meme president

>>76496

>liking him for his genocidal streak and not because he was batshit

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Calvin Coolidge, I got to stay in his presidential room at some hotel in South Dakota a while back.

>>74684
Can't wait til Hiro adds "based" to the word filter in all honesty.

>>77336
What other examples (of American presidents specifically, but other statesmen are acceptable too) are there of a head-of-state acting so similarly to their mentor or predecessor (Jackson in this case)?

He was called Young Hickory for a reason, right?

>>79173
Want to contribute to the thread or are you just going to whine about a meme that's not even near as cancerous as some of the others on this site?

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andrew jackson, thinking man's president

>>77887
because in america liberalism is applied as a blanket statement for the left. liberal vs. conservative has one connotation of change vs. status and people are obviously referring to the interpretation of a liberal as a leftist of the era advocating for change and not an advocate of freedom and equality. couple this with the fact that many people who act in this manner still refer to themselves as liberals and you have a funny little thing happen on account of political titles not requiring you to do anything past invoking their name to claim them as yours. if you must know people usually refer to this kind of stuff as neoliberalism as opposed to classical liberalism when you really press them on it.

>>74684

LBJ, Nixon, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, Eisenhower

>>74684
AJ

Roosevelt was a British-loving imperial piece of shit who ruined American identity. (likely Jewish as well)

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KENNEDY

I know that we all hate fun but just listen to this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj6wf-JgUrM

>>77347
What about Wilson? I always thought that he was a shit president that only won because the republican vote was split..

>Ran on the slogan of keeping us out of the war knowing we were most likely going to get involved
>His United Nations failed, and could be seen as a cause for WW2
>When it failed he became bitter until he died on his reelection trial
>Re-segregated the military, and made it harder for blacks to get jobs, by undoing/changing laws that were previously made to help them.
>Roosevelt, and him didn't get along at all, and hated each other so if based Teddy didn't like him he must of been a Kek

>>79376
Wilson taught us that academics should never be president.

>God-tier
Washington
Jefferson
Lincoln

>Decent/OK
Kennedy
Madison
T. Roosevelt
Eisenhower

>Overrated as fuck, but not all bad
F. Roosevelt
Reagan

>Scum of the Earth
Harding
Jackson
Nixon
A. Johnson
Wilson

>Criminally Underrated
Carter
Polk

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>>79332

>>79376
Don't forget him being instrumental in the creation of the Federal Reserve (which he admitted was a grave mistake).

Also that snake FDR helped convince him to get into WWI

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>>74760

>>79435
Fixed
>Scum of the Earth
Harding
Jackson
Nixon
A. Johnson
Hoover
Harrison
Tyler

>>74684
Carter seemed like he knew what he was doing

>t. non-burger

>>79435
How is FDR overrated? I would think presiding over the largest economy and nation in the world during the largest war in history may be pretty worthy. That's just me though.

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>>79435
Why do you put Harding under "Scum of the Earth"?
He wasn't the best president but he wasn't involved in Teapot-Dome and pretty much stopped the Depression of 1920 (and pushed for racial desegregation and freeing political prisoners).

Honestly I think he's pretty underrated and one of the most fascinating guys to ever serve in the presidency.

>>79542
Because he's part of the reason the Depression lasted so long, not to mention he interned the Japanese and did lots of crooked shit while president that increased the powers of the federal government far beyond what the Founders envisioned.

>>79435
>Jackson
>Nixon
>Scum of the Earth

>>79593

>Because he's part of the reason the Depression lasted so long

Opinion discarded.

>>79757
b-b-but the free market was gonna fix everything .......

>>79488
Agreed on Tyler, can't believe I missed that douchebag. Hoover is shit but I wouldn't call him scum, and Harrison wasn't really that bad.
>>79555
Actually I think I might have conflated him with Wilson. My bad.
>>79542
Japanese internments, massive federal government size increase. Like i said, not all bad though

>>79435
>>78290
>>77347

why does everyone say JFK was a great president? he was good but he completely fucked up with the handling of Cuba

he also had the best media propaganda in history

>>79757
>I'll discard facts because they conflict with my views!
Reddit please go

>>79435
>not putting Monroe on Decent/OK

I think he deserves that position

>>79593
>>79793
You do know many of the high ranking Japanese studied in the USA, right? Pearl Harbor was on Sunday because the Japs knew Americans would either be passed out drunk from Saturday night or going to church. I don't blame him for taking chances. After all, the Europeans were dealing with their own civil war and internal uprisings. It's not too far'fetched for a person at the time to assume the Japanese could create their own "La Resistance" in the USA.

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>>74684

>GOAT

FDR, Lincoln

>sub-GOAT

Wilson, Teddy, Washington, Nixon

>Pretty good

Eisenhower, Adams, Kennedy

>Alright

Polk, Van Buren

>Bad

Both Johnsons, Jefferson, Jackson, HW, Obongo, McKinley, Carter, Clinton

>Braindead

Reagan, Truman, Pierce, Buchanan, Bush


Can't be bothered to think of any more but that's the gist of it.

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>>79947
>FDR and Wilson near the top

>>79800
I like Kennedy because of NASA and the moonshot, but that's just me
>>79920
Doesn't justify throwing the Constitution in the trash

>>79947
how is reddit doing nowadays?

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>>79947
>GOAT
>FDR

>>79991
What does the Constitution have to do with it?

>>79982
>Wilson
>not top 5

lol

>>79947
2/10

made me reply

>>79332
I got that reference

>>80014
>getting the US involved in WW1, creating the Federal Reserve, creating useless League of Nations, supporting the KKK
>top 5
He's literally one of the worst things to ever happen to the USA

>>79982

They were both responsible for laying the foundations of American success with progressive reform. Yes, they do deserve to be at the top.

>>80000

My list is very balanced and includes Presidents of varying political stances.

Monroe, he pretty much told Europeans to fuck off from affairs in the western hemisphere

Polk's also pretty based with pushing Manifest Destiny.

>>80056
I really don't know how to convince or argue with anyone who is obviously already got their mind set about things that

A) couldnt be avoided
B) were needed


Besides the KKK, none of those were "literally the worst things to happen to the USA"

unless youre an idiot, which I think you are

Eisenhower, a strategical genius in charge of a nation at cold war.

>>79435
>Underrated
>CARTER

>THE MAN WHO WHO SHIT ALL OVER BASED TEDDY ROOSEVELD BY HANDING OVER THE PANAMA CANAL ON A SILVER PLATTER, TO A SOCIALIST NO LESS
>THE MAN WHO FUCKED UP WITH IRAN

>JAMES "STAGFLATION" CARTER
>UNDERRATED

GET YOUR FUCKING SHIT OUT OF HERE AND CUT OFF YOUR TESTICLES SO YOU NEVER REPRODUCE I AM LEGITIMATELY MAD

Jackson is an incredibly interesting historical figure, but he was a pretty bad president.

>Directly caused one of the worst economic disasters in american history that was promptly blamed on his successor
>Trail of tears
>All those people he straight up murdered behind the fucking White House

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Polk

>>80056

>getting the US involved in WW1

Good call, shortened the war and saved millions of lives.

>creating the Federal Reserve

Stabilized the economy a bit at the time.

>creating useless League of Nations

That he did, it's true his foreign policy was never anything more than mixed.

>supporting the KKK

He was progressive on many issues but no one can deny his racist tendencies.

>>80118
>involvement in WW1
>federal reserve
>couldn't be avoided and needed
We literally didn't enter until the last year of the war and ended our non-interventionalist foreign policy in favor of a foolish goal of effectively establishing a new world order (not to sound like a conspiracytard or anything).

>>74760
this

he wasn't the best but he was the most based

>>78290
Carter was fucking awful

Teddy's methods were not bad, unless you count his hand-over of the presidency and his attempt at reelection, that could've gone over better. Damn it, Taft, you fat bastard.

I agree with you on FDR, but Kennedy was a decent president, and arguably the last democrat with any sense.

L.B. Johnson was fucking awful, thank you

Reagan wasn't scum. He wasn't the God Emperor like Republicans talk about him, but he wasn't scum, either

Fuck Carter, I simply can't say this enough.

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>>80210
>foolish goal of effectively establishing a new world order
That would be Teddy
However, both Teddy and Wilson (and the millions of workers and scientist at the time) transformed America into the largest economy (pic related)


Guys, Wilson was LITERALLY the worst thing to happen to America! Pic related!

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I think you faggots don't know what 'based' means

it doesn't mean 'best'

>>80137
>>80225
This, Carter was a fucking shit president but he was a pretty cool guy out of office.

>>79527
>t. socialist

Fixed that for you. Fuck you, and stop trying to influence our voting age population with your shit european ideals that are always bound for failure.

>>79542
You fucking people talk about him like he can roll on water. Nobody likes talking about the Japanese internments, the bordering-on-tyrannical court packing scheme, the over reliance on flawed Keynesian Economics, and the MASSIVE increase in the federal government, huh?

>>80056
>>getting the US involved in WW1
I agree with everything else you said, but continuing a policy of non involvement with an entire hemisphere would have been impossible at that point and we would have hurt ourselves much more in the long run if we tried to remain neutral.

The reason Wilson is referred to as the first modern president is because he understood this. I don't like it any better than you, but in order for America to thrive there needs to be other countries with people alive in them with which to do business. We simply weren't afforded the option of not participating.

>>77347
Objectively the best list. Thank you for putting Nixon as underrated. Obongo and Hillary have done shit way worse than Watergate, but nobody's going to say shit because they're *democrats*.

And nobody ever talks about all the good Nixon did. It makes my heart sad.

Literally every problem plaguing America today can be traced back to Reagan and his administration.

>>80318
>Literally every problem plaguing America today can be traced back to FDR and his administration

Fixed that for you, dummycrat :^)

>>80137
Panama getting that canal back led them towards a freer government in the long run

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>>80318
except for the one that can be traced back to Columbus

but aside from that you're right

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T A F T
A
F
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>>80347
>got America out of record unemployment
>established numerous programs to help lower-class Americans
>hurr durr the democrats are cancer
Go jack off to your trickle down economics, Ted Cruz.

Based

>Jackson
>Polk
>Regan
>calvin coolidge
>Jefferson

Good

>Eisenhower
>Lincoln
>Madison

SHIT
>carter
>FDR (besides ww2 he was shit)
>Buchannan
>Harding
>Wilson (fuck the fed)

Underrated
>Nixon
>Chet Arthur


OVERRATED
>JFK

>>80392
Is there a reason for this other than memes?

>>80412
trickle down economics: when you let the upper class piss on the lower class and call this economics

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>>80420
>Based
>>Jackson

>>80392
Was he ever actually The President of The United States, or just president of bathtubs?

>>76557
>we launch in 5 minutes

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>>80318
>social security
>entitlements
>high taxes
>black violence
>immigration
whatever you say Jamal

>>80412
>kept America in a depression for over a decade until a war came up
>established numerous programs that continue to keep people in the lower class and are bankrupting us today
>le trickle down meme term that isn't even recognized as a real thing by any economists
Reddit please go

>>78290
lewrongcentury

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>>80445
see >>80256

Based means not giving a fuck

of all our presidents, Jackson gave the fewest fucks

If only pic related became a president though, he would have beat him out

>>80427

no, just the memes.

>>80448

yes.

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>>80483
none of those things are actual problems tho

Check yoself before ya wreck yoself

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>>80268
>roll on water

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>>80412
>Kept America from truly getting itself out of the Depression, instead keeping it in a state of perpetual "It's getting better, just bear with me here!". He's fucking lucky WWII came around when it did, his charisma couldn't last forever.

>Established flawed Keynesian economics programs that could not have lasted in the long run (and have not lasted. See: Social Security). Pic related, Keynesian economics.gif

>implying the only decent democrat since Wilson wasn't Kennedy

Reddit is a horrible place where you should go back to and never return from.

>>80627
>lol these things aren't problems, let's focus on gay marriage and weed instead yo!
You are literal cancer

>>80199
>Shortened the war
He extended it by propping up the failing economies of France and Britain. If he stayed out of it completely the war would have ended likely in late 1917 because both sides were grinding each other to death. France was about to lose parts of her army to mutiny, Brits were having serious doubts, Germany was as badly beaten as France, Italy was bored, AH might as well have been a rump state, and the Ottomans might have well have been dead.

>>80427
He's the only President to later become a Supreme Court Justice.

He actually HATED being president and being part of the SCOTUS was his end goal.

>>80352
I'm pretty sure there could've been a way to keep that canal and ensure freedom in Panama (which shouldn't really be our job anyways, so long as it isn't Communist)

Carter was too naive/dumb to see any way that wasn't the obvious way, despite the fact that he would hurt America doing it.

>>80427
>>80825
My mistake, he became Chief Justice.

>>77336
>The Mexicans attacked us in Texas north of the Rio Grande

He moved US troops into disputed territory which by all rights belonged to Mexico, the Rio Grande boundary of Texas was extorted from Santa Anna in the Treaties of Velasco while he was held as a prisoner of war and was never ratified by the Mexican government. For good reason too, no 'Texans' lived there and the southernmost 'Texan' settlement was Corpus Criste on the Nueces river. The Mexicans reasonably believed they were defending their territory from a belligerent American military intervention (which would not be the first time, Texas Rangers had a habit of riding into Mexican territory and killing civilians for little reason).

The War was thrust upon the country by Polk's unwarranted aggression and thirst for territorial expansion and it would end up being a giant can of worms for the future republic when the newly acquired territory would apply for statehood.

More congressmen voted against the declaration of war against Mexico than any vote for war in US history.

>>80766

>He extended it by propping up the failing economies of France and Britain

Yes, the US sold to both sides but a blind eye was turned to the fact that the Allies were getting 5 to 6 times as much as the Central Powers. I honestly don't know how much WIlson was involved in this but he did have pro-British sympathies.

>If he stayed out of it completely the war would have ended likely in late 1917

Britain was getting 60% of it's munitions from the US by 1916. The war would've ended much earlier, and it would've been a German victory.

And honestly, I'm not sympathetic towards them or their war aims. I can't believe it would be a good thing to have an autocratic militarist nation in charge of Europe.

William Henry Harrison obviously

>>78592
>fix a recession in 3 months
>nothing.

Underrated. Your my proof

Are people seriously considering Kennedy as based? Is this real life??
>Bay of Pigs
Completely ruined our relationship or at least a decent chance at one with Cuba
>Cuban missile crisis
The closest the world had ever gotten to being a nuclear wasteland all because he wasn't pleased about the idea of having enemy nukes within such close range, despite the fact that his administration had forced the Soviets' hands first by putting missiles in Turkey to antagonise the USSR.
>Vietnam
Getting involved in that was one of the worst military and political decisions the US had made during the 20th century

We can also throw in some more menial shit like the whole cheating on his wife thing, (which doesn't bother me but many others will find it morally destestable), and lest we forget how he had dealings with the Mafia. The man was corrupt. Lastly I'd just like to throw in there the whole 'ich bin ein berliner' bullshit which means I am a donut, if you're going to say something in another language at least don't be so much of a cvck as to not get the right translation of what you are intending to say.

>>81150
>ich bin ein berliner
I was considering what you had to say until you posted this retarded meme

>>80214
this is true. But he did oppose central bank (bretty good) and expand suffrage to all freemen (very good). The bad is his decision to overrule the supreme court. But 1815 is too cool

>>74699
J U M B O
>"He early became fabled for a Rabelaisian earthiness, urinating in the parking lot of the House Office Building as the urge took him; if a colleague came into a Capitol bathroom as he was finishing at the urinal there, he would sometimes swing around still holding his member, which he liked to call "Jumbo," hooting once, "Have you ever seen anything as big as this?," and shaking it in almost a brandishing manner as he began discoursing about some pending legislation."
>"The 36th president of the United States reportedly refused to accept staff arguments that outfitting the shower with the demanded features—including one nozzle aimed "directly at the president's penis"—would require a great deal of plumbing work. "If I can move 10,000 troops in a day, you can certainly fix the bathroom any way I want it," Johnson told the staff, according to the book"

>>81150
Bay of Pigs was an operational failure but obviously the best course of action was to overthrow the communist government. They woulda buddied up with the USSR anyway senpai. And the cuban missile crisis ain't that bad; shit happens, Kennedy properly projects US power and de-escelates.
And at that point Vietnam was France's shit-show. The reason East Asia didn't pan out was because we didn't listen to MacArthur

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>>81247
>implying that just because a blunder is often cited that it makes it any less of a blunder than it originally was.

>>80225
>>80259
carter had a ton of groundbreaking ideas, but he couldn't pass shit due to a republican majority congress
everyone who says that he was a poor president because he wasn't "strong" enough needs a good long kick in the urethra

>>81357
Your view on the bay of pigs is agreeable, however your perception of the missile crisis seems a bit too retrospective to me, yes nothing happened but at the time it was far morw risky than calculated. It's like stepping on a mousetrap only to find that the spring is broken and it's ineffective. You obviously didn't know it was like that before but having come out of it unscathed doesn't make it any less of a stupid thing to do.

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>>81468
No, the republican majority congress blocked his ideas because they were bad ones, ya dingus. That's how our republic works.

I love how all you dummycrats go "W-WELL IF OUR DEMOCRAT MAN HAD JUST HAD COMPLETE AND TOTAL CONTROL EVERYTHING WOULD BE JUST PEACHY WHY DO YOU CONSERVATIVES EVEN EXIST WWAAAAAAHHHH"

>>81552
What were his ideas and why were they bad

>>78290
>Carter
>Underrated
Truly based my nigga
I can only think of 2 presidents that didnt massively expand their power or abuse their power as presidents
The original GW and based Jimmy Carter the peanut farmer

>>81357

MacArthur was a nut who wanted to throw a nuke at anything he disagreed with. If people had kept listening to him we'd be having this argument via telegraph cable leading between bunkers as we wait for the sun to pierce through the toxic haze for a blessed hour of foraging.

>>78514
Hoover was a scapegoat
He believed that the economic crisis was something that should be handled by the economy and he hoped that corporations would take a hit in their profits or maybe have to eat losing money and hire more people and try to get the economy going themselves but they were to greedy to do that
So after shit was actively buying the fan he then decided to start public works programs but it was too little too late

>>81552
I'm sure you won't be sayinf the same when your based trump fails to pass legislation allowing him to erect that monstrosity of wall he's cumming buckets over nor when congress refuses to go to war with china because they made fun of trumps hair peice.
The American system is broken. Only 2 parties hold legitimate power and no matter who holds the executive branch they'll be Stonewall Jackson'd faster than you can say 'muh constitutionz' when trying to get anything passed

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>>81565
Universal Healthcare and other anti-capitalist measures, for starters. I will agree that he gets alot of flak for things that weren't his fault, but he was a naive, if well intentioned, relative outsider to politics when we needed someone who could take charge (Or at least try to work with congress and not try to institute his feel-good liberal programs which effectively antagonized the more conservative elements of congress to the point where they considered him their enemy)

Furthermore, people talk about Carter's presidency like his problems were in motion already, and unavoidable. I propose that if we had a stronger president who could work with congress, those problems would've been tackled, instead of pouted at.

Carter was a decent man, a good Christian man who tried to live by his ideals. But presidential material, he was not. I honestly think Ben Carson is his contemporary analogue

>Both incredibly intelligent in their fields (Carson in brain surgery, Carter in the Nuclear field)
>Both very Christian, almost to a fault
>Both campaigned as political outsiders (Carson moreso than Carter, but the comparison still stands)
>Both probably don't really have what it takes to lead, due to a stubborn pursuance of their own interests and ideologies instead of leading the nation)

>>81552
>dummycrats

It's difficult to take you seriously when you can't even hold a conversation like an adult.

You discredit yourself with the ridiculous name calling.

>>81015
If getting btfo invalidates treaties you've signed then we better send our maps back to the drawing board

>>82044
the difference is
carter didn't try to stab a motherfucker
seriously, carson could say literally anything and his calm, soothing chocolate voice would mask the insanity of his statements

>>81712
>Make the wrong choice
>Try to solve it after its already too late
>Anybodys fault but his own

I won't villify him for making a mistake but you are white washing a little here. If an economy could solve it's own crisis, there likely wouldn't be a crisis to begin with. The shit happens because people will always look to break the system.

>>82044
>anti-capitalist measures
Hey you know, how about let's not destroy the thing that's allowed us to obtain unprecedented amounts of wealth, health, stability, and civility

>>82204
Did Carson really try to stab somebody?

But yeah, his voice is so soothing, he could tell me I had cancer and I'd pretend I didn't hear him so I could hear him tell it to me a couple more times.

But that voice can hide some surprising venom, especially when it comes to the politically correct. Shit, that's how he got widely known, his B'ingTFO of Obama at that prayer breakfast or whatever the fuck it was.

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Forever and always. I think he was a little autistic too which makes me relate even more.

>>74684
Theodore Roosevelt.

>>82209
But unfettered capitalism is just as flawed as unfettered communism.

Ideally, it's brilliant. But you cannot trust people to do what's in the interest of everybody else and not themselves.

>>82295
yup.
>"I had real anger issues. I would just fly off the handle and really become quite irrational and try to hurt people with baseball bats, hammers, whatever. In this particular case, I happened to have a large camping knife. And, you know, one of my friends angered me. And I just lunged at his abdomen with the knife. Probably would have seriously injured or killed him, but he happened to have on a large metal belt buckle under his clothing, upon which the blade broke"

>>82459
Is this story real or is it bullshit like his popeyes story?

>>82443
Then how can we trust anybody?
Both ideologies and systems are subversive as fuck, Traditionalism is the answer

>Polk Tier
Polk

>Great, but not Polk tier
Washington
Jefferson
Lincoln
IKE IKE IKE
Eisenhower

>Okay but questionable tier
FDR
Wilson
Jackson

>Bad tier
Pretty much any prez after Nixon except for Reagan

>OH SHIT NIGGA WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING
Reagan
Nixon
Buchanan
Both Johnsons

>Should've became president tier
Clay
Huey Long

James "The Adonis" Polk is the only true answer.

>>82501
You don't trust anybody. Capitalism works when tempered by a strong hand that is also kept in check from being too oppressive.

America managed to pull it off for a slice of the 20th century until Reagan let his cronies fuck everything up and its been a shitshow since then.

>>82536
>based Billy C
>bad
you must be a kekold m8

>>82483
pretty sure he was telling the truth
what would he gain from lying about stabbing someone?

I'm a Democrat but I'll try to hide my obvious bias

Best tier
>F. Roosevelt
>T. Roosevelt
>Lincoln

Good Tier

>Johnson
>Nixon
>Carter (I don't care what any of you say, he was the best we had to choose from)

Terrible Tier
>Reagan
>Kennedy
>Hoover

Could make this a lot bigger but I've had a long day and I don't feel like arguing on an imageboard.

>>82536
Oh shit, I forgot to include Reddy for Teddy in Polk Tier

>>82623
What would he gain about lying to a robber to rob a cashier?

How the fuck should i know what Carson's thinking? The man is such a brilliant brain surgeon he lobotomized himself.

>>82584
>opressive
You're thinking of governments, not markets.
You're basically spouting Muh feels when you say opressive.

>>82589
>William Clitoris
>not bad

What kind of shit are you smoking mate

>>82563
Too bad he was a very active member of the secret society known as "The Knights of Sex with Black People."

>>82536
Long was the biggest fucking retard to exist.

>>82629
>I'll try to hide my obvious bias
>FDR
You failed

>>82692
He wasn't a great president but he is a pretty based individual.

>>82629
Reagan doesn't deserve to be in terrible. You can have whatever opinions on economics you want, he at the very least turned the heat up on the Soviet Union and had a prosperous presidency.

Good on you for putting Nixon in good tier.

Carter... I have mixed feelings about Carter tbqh. Good man, but as a president, he dropped the ball several times.

Johnson and his "Great" Society is still fucking shit up with us to the current day, though, and should be put under terrible. He was never meant to be president.

Kennedy shouldn't be in terrible, though.

Taft should be in terrible, because he prevented us from getting some more terms of Teddy Roosevelt's basedness.

Kennedy

>>78290
>Madison
How can you hate based Madison?

>>82694
C-Can I join?

>>81390
It wasn't a blunder, though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner#Jelly_doughnut_misconception

>>82205
Hoover was correct. The economy will correct itself naturally given no government intervention.

His mistake was listening to that nigger Keynes.

>>83101
Fucking Keynes, fucking all the Austrian economists up.
Seriously, our models are so much better.
I'm at one of the last institutions that teaches it in the US.
We pissed off Obangy so much he didn't list us on his list of colleges

>>82536
>polk
>jackson
>clay should be pres

Well I guess you could mean in 1824 when Clay stole the election from Jackson and gave it to Adams...

>>83124
>Obangy
And they dare to call themselves liberals. They are authoritarian shitlords

>>80253
>1870
>teddy and wilson
Try harder.

>>82344
>Tries to forbid slavery
>Still owned slaves until he died

On his gravestone, he has 3 major accomplishments, but being president is not one of them.

Guy was EXTREMELY salty about being left out of the constitution because he was being an ambassador at the time in Europe.

>>82344
He doomed America forever by introducing the prototype of french fries.

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>Not even one mention

>>83256
I actually never knew that Ubangy was a slang... until now.
Huh

>>80873
>>>80873
Nice revisionist history asshole. After Sam Houston kicked Santa Anna's ass in 13 minutes at the battle of San Jacinto, Santa Anna signed the Treaty of Velasco. It declared the Rio Grande as the border. The Mexicans did not respect the peace treaty, so of course the US was going to retaliate. The Mexicans dragged out the war way longer than it needed to be, knowing they never stood a chance.

You can't sign a peace treaty and then say, "Oh, but it didn't count".

>>80873
Also
>which by all rights belonged to Mexico
So because Hernan Cortes plopped his flag down in 1522, Mexico has rightful claim to the whole North American continent, huh? Get the fuck outta here.

Mexico has just as much right to the land as the US did, and when Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna signed that Peace Treaty with the injured Sam Houston under the mesquite tree with the Texian Army, Mexico forfeited their claim to everything north of the Rio Grande.

>>82800
The ATC Strikebreaking was against the American way. The president shouldn't do things like that. He really didn't do anything to harm the Soviet Union. He didn't really do anything at all, really. Except Iran Contra.

What good did Kennedy do? He was just a great speaker, that's it.

Thanks for mentioning Taft, I forgot to list him. But Teddy didn't want another term anyway, and Taft didn't really want to take office.

>>84059
Santa Anna acted without the consent of his government.

You may not know this, but Mexico had a constitutional government with a legislative branch that held the authority to ratify treaties much like our own because it was modeled after the US's own constitution.

The new Mexican government rightfully protested that the treaty first off was never ratified and secondly was negotiated by a prisoner under duress who (reasonable) had the impression that his life depended on the terms of the 'treaty'.

It would be as if Britain had apprehended James Madison in the War of 1812 and forced him to sign a treaty that granted everything west of the Appalachians back to Britain. Of course Congress as well as the Americans living there for generations would protest.

Again, no "Texans" lived in the territory south of the Neuces. The only people who lived there were Mexican Citizens, so it wasn't as if they were protecting settlers from Mexican rule, it was a blatant land grab from a man held at gunpoint and was backed up with the force of the US army, don't mistake the treaty for having any legal legitimacy. The whigs (Including a young Abraham Lincoln) would protest the conduct of Polk for what they saw as a completely unwarranted act of aggression.

George Washington was the first, you see
He once chopped down a cherry tree
President number two would be
John Adams and then Number three
Tom Jefferson stayed up to write
The declaration late at night
So he and his wife had a great big fight
And she made him sleep on the couch all night
James Madison never had a son
then he fought the War of 1812
James Monroe's colossal nose
Was bigger than Pinnochio's
John Quincy Adams was number six
And it's Andrew Jackson's butt he kicked
So Jackson learns to play politics
Next time he's the one that the country picks
Martin Van Buren number eight
For a one-term shot as chief of state
William Harrisson, how do you praise
That guy was dead in thirty days!
John Tyler he liked country folk
And after him came President Polk
Zachary Taylor liked to smoke
His breath killed friends whenever he spoke
1850, really nifty
Millard Fillmore's in
Young and fierce was Franklin Pierce
The man without a chin
Follows next a period spannin'
Four long years with James Buchanan
Then the South start shootin' cannon
And we've got a civil war
A war!
A war down south in Dixie!

>>84372
Up to bat comes old Abe Lincoln
There's a guy who's really thinkin'
Kept the United States from shrinking
Saved the ship of state from sinking
Andrew Johnson's next
He had some slight defects
Congress each
Would impeach
And so the country now elects
Ulysses Simpson Grant
Who would scream and rave and rant
While drinking whiskey
Although risky
Cause he'd spill it on his pants
It's 1877 and the democrats would gloat
But they're all amazed when Rutherford Hayes
Wins by just one vote
James Garfield, someone really hated
Cause he was assasinated
Chester Arthur gets instated
Four years later he was traded
For Grover Cleveland, really fat
Elected twice as a democrat
Then Benjamin Harrisson after that
It's William McKinley up to bat
Teddy Roosevelt charged up San Juan Hill
And President Taft he got the bill
In 1913 Woodrow
Wiiilllllllson
Takes us into World War One
Warren Harding next in line
It's Calvin Coolidge he does fine
And then in 1929
The market crashes and we find
It's Herbert Hoover's big debut
He gets the blame and loses to
Franklin Roosevelt, President who
Helped us win in World War Two
Harry Truman, weird little human
Serves two terms and when he's done
It's Eisenhower who's got the power
From '53 to '61
John Kennedy had camelot
Then Lyndon Johnson took his spot
Richard Nixon he gets caught
And Gerald Ford fell down a lot
Jimmy Carter liked campaign trips
And Ronald Regan's speeches scripts
All came from famous movie clips
And President Bush said "read my lips"

>>84359
Remind me again how many regime changes Mexico went through before the Mexican American war? The Mexicans suck. Santa Anna was a bloodthirsty killer who held no quarter, le Napoleon of the West amirite guise? Santa Anna killed a surrendering David Crockett!

America took that land and cultivated it for the better. Right of conquest. Polk summoned the spirit of Andrew Jackson and aggressively expanded America, and it was great for America's future prosperity.

>>84605
Those sure are some hot opinions you have.

It was a sectarian war that was deliberated provoked by Polk for the sole purpose of taking clay from another sovereign nation and fulfilling "Manifest Destiny". Thousands of Americans as well as Mexicans and Native Americans would needlessly lose their lives in a totally unnecessary conflict, the nascent Mexican republic would be thrown into the hands of their foreign creditors and wouldn't recover their 1830 levels of GDP until the turn of the 20th century. The additional territory would ultimately aggravate the sectarian differences between free and slave states and lead the country on the path to civil war.

Contrary to what you might think, Polk was not an overwhelming popular executive even with the new territory he added to the US, northern Democrats felt he had ignored their interests in the north east by granting Britain a generous Compromise of the Oregon territory in order to wage his war against Mexico without their interference. The whigs, under Zachary Taylor would win the subsequent election.

>>84862

Whatever. Polk's not god or anything, but fuck Santa Anna, and Texas is American as fuck. I don't give a shit about some crying Mexicans lost their land. They lost it fair and square as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, so when Polk got all that land, it was one of the things that set the stage for the Civil War, but that kind of beside the point if we look at the Mexican American war in the contingency of the times.

Polk didn't even seek re-election so it's a moot point, anyway.

Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Colorado are all rightfully American and have been ever seen the Mexican American war.

Build a wall you fucking spic. Go worship your Aztec cannibal Moctezuma.

>>85016
Lt. Col. Ethan Allen Hitchcock would write in his Diary after being sent to the disputed territory by Polk's orders

>"We have not one particle of right to be here. It looks as if the government sent a small force on purpose to bring on a war, so as to have a pretext for taking California and as much of this country as it chooses"

Whig congressman Garrett Davis began the debate on the vote to war by saying

>It is our President who began this war. He has been carrying it on for months.

John Quincy Adams as a New England congressman would say

>It is on Mexican soil that blood has been shed

Luther Severance of Maine praised the Mexicans for their "many resistance" to the US invasion, the should be "honored and applauded".

Abraham Lincoln as a congressmen would denounce the war as

>A war of conquest fought to catch votes

Horace Greeley's New York Tribune had this to say of the war

>Shut your eyes to the whole course of events through the last twelve years and it will become easy to prove that we are a meek, unoffending, ill used people, and that MExico has kicked, cuffed, and grossly imposed upon us. Only assume premises enough as Poke does, and you may prove that it is New Orleans which has been threatened by cannonade instead of Matamoras [sic], and that it is the Mississippi which has been formally blockaded by a stranger fleet and army instead of the Rio Grande.

Source: What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America 1815-1848

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>all this FDR hate in this thread

Yes, let us all forget about the great depression and WW2 because of petty modern political feuds.

>>74721
Underrated post