Post the worst history memes you know >Islamic Iberia was

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"racist theorics of the 19th century are pseudo scientists"

>>678724
But they are. It got BTFO by actual genetic research as phenotype is not the only expression of genotype.

>>678724
Great start there /pol/

>>678768
They believed that you can cathegorize races by outward appearance alone which is total horseshit. I mean read books like Passing of the Great Race from Madison Grant, seriously go and read it. It's not even pseudoscience, it's grade A horseshit.

>>678809
Sure you can cathegorize them, but then your cathegory would hardly be scientific.

>>678712
>the M4 was a shit tank that could only advance by taking enormous losses.
>Rommel was a good general.
>the Nazis were close to building an atomic bomb.
> the invasion of Greece threw off the timetable for Barbarossa
> if the Japanese attacked the Ussr alongside the Nazis, they'd have had a clear run all the way across Siberia.
> the Soviet invasion of Manchuria prompted the Japanese surrender.
> If the Luftwaffe kept bombing RAF airfields, they could have wiped them out and done a Sealion.
> the Bismarck was essentially unharmed from the encounter with the British battleships before scuttling.

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>>678712
>Germans dindu nuffin
>Napoleon was short
>Jesus wasn't a real person
>superior nippon steel
>le Russian general winter
>Atlantis
>everyone dropped dead at 30

>>678712
>If Hitler did [X] he would have won
>Jewish victory in 1948 Palestine was highly unlikely
>Mussolini made the trains run on time
>Rhodesia was a good place to live in
>The Crusades were unprovoked
>Colonialism was horrible in every way
>Colonialism was good in every way
>Jews were not the victims of persecution by Muslim nations until modern times

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>American Indians were just a bunch of horse nomads living in teepees, either as brutal dirty savages or peaceful treehugging hippies.

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>>678712

>The dark ages never happened
>nobody drank water during the middle ages
>knights were chivalrous
>before the 19th century everyone ate dirt and only lived to age 30

>>678931
Where do all these anti-Rommel Guys spawn from? It's disgusting, seeing a bunch of fat neck beards all poo-pooing the Desert Fox

>>678712
>muh 6 weeks

>>679114
>>superior Nippon steel
I don't understand this either. Jap iron ore sucks but surely when they folded it as many times as they did to drive the impurities out there's no disputing that samurai swords were decent weapons.

>>679122
>implying

>>679202
I'm not implying anything, just stating facts.

>>679135
damn that pic is sad

>>679114
>le Russian general winter
t.pierre

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>>678712
>ukraine existed and was relevant
>skull cups
>pagans in northern europe were not retarded mudhut making, dirt earting furfags
>Kholmeini Iran is the bad guy
>migrants going anywhere is beneficial to the natives
>nationalism is bad and backwards

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>Wehrmacht did nothing wrong
>German tank memes
>Rommel was a good boy

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>>679114
>everyone dropped dead at 30

This is the worst one of all. I hate it so much.

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>vikings were good weapon smiths
>a few hundred conquistadors destroyed the Aztecs by themselves
>Cromwell did nothing right
>all American Indians were savages or innocent victims
>the Jacobins were the good guys
>Subsaharan Africa was never civilized before colonialism
>Andrew Jackson was a good president
>slavery was the only cause or had nothing to do with the civil war

>germany dindu nuffin
>polan cant into war
>france can't into war
>german tanks GOAT
>russians dindu nuffin
>bismarck is good
I can go on for days lads

>>678712
>Soviets raped all German women
>USA is not Empire

>>679369
this. so much of this.

>>679369
>>the Jacobins were the good guys
They literally were

>>679114
>Atlantis
>yfw people believe this video for a fact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwCaZaSon9A

>Greek philosophy was introduced into Western Europe from Byzantine libraries
>Science stagnated in the Middle Ages
>The rediscovery of Lucretius started the Renaissance

>>679369
Define "civilized"

>Jesus was a real person

>>679457
Agriculture and cities

Nazi pseudoscientific nonsense has politicized the race issue to such a degree that it's basically impossible to talk about in any sensible way now. Idiot racists continuing to spew nonsense that didn't make any sense 50 years ago aren't helping matters any. Never mind Eugenics - it's going to take another two or three generations before people can talk sensibly about that again.

>>678712
>whites conquered the world because they are superior

They were just lucky that they didn't get fucked by the Mongols like the Chinese and Muslims did. Both of those civilizations were far and away more advance scientifically and militarily, but were crushed by the Mongols which held them back.

>Kissinger was wrong

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>>678712
>The Aztecs mistook Hernán Cortés for Quetzalcoatl
>Until recently, the average person was ignorant, unclean and died young
>Everyone believed the earth was flat until Columbus discovered otherwise
>Wehrmacht dindu nuffin
>Unwarranted Erwin Rommeme worship
>Napoleon and Hitler both invaded Russia during the winter
>Operation Barbarossa would have succeeded if the Germans had taken Moscow
>Anti-semitism didn't exist in the Islamic world until after Israel was founded
>Africans all lived in huts
>All the indigenous peoples of North America were nomadic hunter-gatherers
>Indigenous peoples lived in harmony with nature and with each-other
>Islamic scholars singlehandedly saved ancient Greek philosophy from being lost to us all
>Machiavelli was a Machiavellian
>European colonialism was entirely ill-intentioned

>>679369
>the Jacobins were the good guys
But they were

>>679543
>Islamic scholars singlehandedly saved ancient Greek philosophy from being lost to us all
I don't know about "singlehandedly" but it's impossible to overstate the importance of Arabic preservation and expansion on Greek philosophy.

>gulag

>>679369
>Andrew Jackson was a good president

But he was.

>germans were le big bad villains who wanted to kill everyone without blond hair and blue eyes

>japanese bombed pearl harbor

>>679784
Rand, next time spend less time shitposting and more time building a decent campaign

>>679801
That's not too far off the mark.

>Pit Comb Ware culture did spread Finno-Ugric languages

>>678761
>I can debunk anything posted by calling it /pol/

>>679468
That's not the actual definition of civilization. If you don't have writing, you're not a civilization.

>>679369
>>slavery was the only cause or had nothing to do with the civil war
Oh god fuck this so much. It was one of many causes of the thing

>>680145
So the Inca and Cahokia weren't civilizations? Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia weren't civilizations because they didn't have true writing?

There is no standard textbook definition for civilization, but usually agriculture and urbanization are used because making it hinge on writing is retarded.

>>680135
Not that anon, but I debunked the 'caucasian, negroid' etc classification in this thread in terms of technical validity.

>>673830

>>678712
Every thread starts the same way:

>I'm anal-pained about Muslims
>Is anyone else tired of mean non-white historical narratives
>I wish I actually went to college

>>680150
>Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia
well, they definitely had writing

>>680150
Everything you've said is at odds with mainstream academic thinking.

The Inca and Cahokia had primitive pre-writing systems that allowed them to keep records. The Ancient Egyptians and Mesopotamians both had writing.

You can disagree with the mainstream defintions of civilization, but you're wrong.

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>>680158
There's lots of debate over whether hieroglyphs count as true writing or not.

>>680159
>Everything you've said is at odds with mainstream academic thinking.
There is no mainstream academic consensus over defining civilization.
http://wmich.edu/iscsc/civilization.html
Most agree on urban centers, agriculture, and writing, and most modern working definitions focus on the first two.

>The Inca
The Inca has quipu, which is NOT writing, but an accounting system. I have never heard someone try to claim the Inca were not a civilization just because they did not have true writing.

>Cahokia
Had no proto- or even pseudo-writing.

>>680176
>There is no mainstream academic consensus
>Most agree on urban centers, agriculture, and writing

Do you even read the shit that you write?
Are Iron Age Germans considered a civilization? They had cities and agriculture too. And a higher level of technological development than any Sub-saharan African "Civilization".

>>680157
>I'm anal-pained about Islamophobes
>Is anyone else tired of racist white historical narratives
>I wish I didn't have to pay off my student loans working at Starbucks

>>680188
>Do you even read the shit that you write?
There is no unified consensus on a definition. Many individual definitions put emphasis on urbanization in particular, followed by agriculture.

>Are Iron Age Germans considered a civilization?
Depends on who you ask

>They had cities
Not really

>>680195
If there is no unified consensus on a definition of a civilization, who are you to make the claim that Sub-saharan Africans were civilized?

In fact, the Academic consensus outside of Afrocentric studies is that there was no true civilization in Sub-Saharan Africa.

>Not really

Their settlements were just as large as the cities you are claiming represent SSA civilization.

>>680209
I'm not the one making any claim about sub-Saharan Africa. The examples I used were from America.

>If there is no unified consensus on a definition of a civilization,
There is no singular agreed upon definition, just look at the link I posted in the last post, but in many individual definitions both America and SSA polities count, as they built cities, used agriculture, and had complex, organized political structures.

>In fact, the Academic consensus outside of Afrocentric studies is that there was no true civilization in Sub-Saharan Africa.
[citation needed]
I've never heard anyone claim Axum or D'mt were not civilizations, for example.

>Their settlements were just as large as the cities you are claiming represent SSA civilization.
Which ones? Great Zimbabwe had 18,000 people, and Timbuktu had 50,000 at both their heights.

>>680192
And yet look who makes these threads

>>680222
You mean threads like this one?

>>679276

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>>678712
>Application of European Historical Period Nomenclature to Non-European/Mediterranean History,
""""Medieval"""" China, Japan??? They were in the middle of what?

>>680229
Better than using the chinese name for the period and then having to specify around what years that period is

>>680240
That's what serious historians do though. Even Western ones.

Antiquity-Medieval-Modern doesn't apply to East Asia.

>Islam is inherently bad

>>680240
>Feudal China
1200's BC - 221 BC
>Feudal Japan
700's AD-1868 AD

European epochs for Asians is shit

>>680256
>Islam is inherently good

>>680265
>you have to support one extreme or another

>>680228
You have a problem with a civil thread full of long discussions of early Christianity? Not enough green texting?

>>680271
>golden mean fallacy

>>680272
It was a civil thread until OP or some other idiot got mad no one was taking the obvious bait and started shitposting about >muh agendas when almost no one gave two shits about the book since it's just a summary of several other books.

>>680285
>"""""""""""""have"""""""""""""

>>679774
>preservation
It wouldn't have been needed if they didn't destroy the Byzantine provinces.

>>680292
>8==========D

>>680296
translator's note: "They" in this case refers to the Venetians.

>>680296
>It wouldn't have been needed if they didn't destroy the Byzantine provinces.
Those provinces destroyed themselves desu.

Well, themselves AND the Persians.

>>680300
Yes, those mean Venetians destroyed Alexandria and were attacking the Byzantines for 600 years.

>>680285
Both are disinformation, it doesn't apply. Islam is neither, just Islam.

>>680308
>the Alexandria meme

contain your delusions

>>679135
I'm pretty sure there was a sizeable population in Rome at the time of Justinian and the onset of Balisarius's campaign. It was totally depleted and left for ruin after sustained war with ostrogoths resulted in the destruction of its aquaducts

>>680308
Islam dindu nuffin you fucking kuffar.

>>680296
The regions the Arabs conquered had some of the best preserved Roman infrastructure of the era, and most sources that didn't come from Arab translations came out of monasteries in Southern France and Italy, places that the Arabs had ruled over or attacked but apparently hadn't destroyed of Classical heritage.

>>680308
>Yes, those mean Venetians destroyed Alexandria and were attacking the Byzantines for 600 years.
Well yeah, Venice was attacking the ERE off and on for a long time. Where do you think they got that big ass horse statue from?

>>680313
Sizable would have been in the tens of thousands in this case. While the Gothic Wars would whittle away even that, the majority of Rome's massive population had to disperse because the grain shipments that sustained it had stopped with the civil wars, Vandals, etc.

>>678712
>Dark ages
Well it was dark compared to the times of the Western Roman empire due to the large decrease in urban populations and trade.
Of cause the actual meme is to ignore this.

>>678931
> the Soviet invasion of Manchuria prompted the Japanese surrender.
Really?

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>>679444
Ayyy

>>679369
>>the Jacobins were the good guys

Triggered.

Yes they fucking were you reactionary bastard.

>The reign of terror was bad
>thermidor was good

>andrew jackson was an ebil rasis mysoginist slave owning ebil bresident
fug :DDD

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>The American revolution was a "clean" revolution with no mob reign of terror or revolutionaries fucking over innocent civilians

>>678931
>the Soviet invasion of Manchuria prompted the Japanese surrender
It was one of key factors.

>>679384
>bismarck is good
Morally good or good as in good politician?

>there is more freedom now than in the past

You literally have to ask permission from the government if you want to build a vending stall in the square, they mark your comings and goes and overall determine every single aspect of your life on the political, economical, cultural and social level to the very family sphere.

This is the stuff that would get people in the XVIIth century revolting and cutting up heads.

>>680156
Technical validity is irrelevant, the rejection of scientific racism was motivated by political reasons. It was in the interest of communist intellectuals such as Ashley Montagu and Lévi-Strauss to take away the legitimacy of racism as public discourse so they could both enlist the support of non-whites for the revolutionary communist movement and delegitimize any opposition as "racist".

>>680209
>, the Academic consensus outside of Afrocentric studies is that there was no true civilization in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Ok, now I'm curious, what's a "True Civilization"?

>>680686
> the rejection of scientific racism was motivated by political reasons

Not in the scientific community.

>>680209
>academics playing semantic games to bias reality for whatever goddamn reason
Ahah oh wow

>>680296
Boohooohooo muh Byzantines.
I dont like Islamic expansion on history and culture as much as the next guy. But Byz worshippers are the worst and apart from muh Justinian they have nothing going for themselves.

Who here proud Genoan, Pisan, Venetian.

>>679177
they're usually obese armchair generals who think they can run a military better than qualified people because they won on a game of Company of Heroes once.

I'm a massive history casual but I still love this board. /Pol/fags lunacy always annoys me so it's great to see /Pol/acks getting btfo itt. Fucking love you guys.

>>680195
Uruk was the size of Imperial Rome at it's fucking height, something like 5 square kilometres, in 2500BC.

Eat a fucking dick mesopotamia didn't have real cities you fucking deluded classicist.

Source - Studied sumerology.

>>679543
>Machiavelli was a Machiavellian
my absolute favourite.

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All of The Patriot, especially this scene
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Py2LZNb79Q
I generally have no problem with historically inaccurate movies as long as people don't take them seriously.

>>678724
It is. Even most of the 20th century shit by Rushton and Lynn that you fags cling to had horrible methodology and was funded and published by political think tanks instead of academic journals.

>>680673
>le early modern europe was libertarian maymay

>>678733
>phenotype is not the only expression of genotype.
The fuck did I just read
How is genotype expressed otherwise?

>>680467
>>680652


Yes, the Japanese home islands were threatened by that massive fleet the Russians didn't have.

Soviet attacks on Manchuria had the potential to destroy Japanese positions in China, but not in Japan itself.

>>679177

Usually because they've done some actual reading on the North African campaign.

Start with this.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a348413.pdf

>>679510

Go to bed Jared Diamond

> germans dindu nothin
> bosnians/croats were good boys
> samurais were super soldiers because of 1 trillion times folded steel
> i'm of 1% X heritage. Therefore i must take all successes/failures of said heritage and claim them as my own, as if i had taken part in them

>anything mainstream about inquisition and the crusades

>Finno-Korean hyper war

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>All these contrarians

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>>681155
>"historical" movies

>>680692
Actually, almost explicitly in the scientific community

>>679369
>Jackson was a good president
This is a fact.

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>>681931
The coolest thing about Jackson was just how alpha he was
>beat up his would-be assassin with his walking cane
>fought in over 100 duels

>>681954

Nice memes and all but he was a mediocre general and an abysmal president.

>>681962
A fantastic general and an amazing president, cuck.

>revolutions are good

99% aren't

>>680240
But we do that when talking about China, because if you study it you know the nomenclature for Chinese history. The middle ages have no reference point in China, the term is based entirely in European events. Saying "Medieval China" is like saying "Three Kingdoms Europe"

>>680705
Not Genoan, Pisan, Venetians for one...
ps They hated the shit out of eachother.

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>>678733
Yes yes, we are all familiar with the new catchphrase, "there's greater genetic differences inside racial groups than between them."

But if you had any understanding of genetics, biology, or particularly statistics and population modeling then you'd know why this phrase is so misleading.

Fact of the matter is you can still do pic related. Race exists and it's genetic.

>>681336
The Europeans couldn't even deal with the Muslims, who weren't as advanced as the Chinese militarily. Look at all the failed crusades, and then look at how definitively the Mongols crushed them, and sacked all their cities, and millions of their citizens. Given at how limited the European interaction with mongols were, and how one-sidedly the Europeans got trounced (a scouting forced crushed Russia in the winter, Hungary getting buttfucked, etc etc) the Europeans were lucky that the Mongol War Machine imploded due to unlucky internal conflicts.

>>680691
>it's not a civilization if blacks built it

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>>680799
Reread my posts you idiot. I said there's debate on whether hieroglyphics counts are true writing or not, I never mentioned their cities.

>>682339
>Fact of the matter is you can still do pic related. Race exists and it's genetic.
So there's two races, Africans and non-Africans.

>>682679
Pretty much. There are a surprising number of quite significant differences between Africans and the rest of humanity. I personally think Africans should be classified as a completely different subspecies, not just a race. No /pol/, African and non-African is a logical place to segment humanity for many legitimate reasons.

>the Egyptians were black
>the Egyptians were white
>Egyptian slaves were black
>Cleopatra was black

FUCKING KILL ME

>Nazi Germany had any chance of "winning" WW2

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>The Kalmar Union was a fair alliance
>The library of Alexandria was the greatest loss in the ancient world
>Colonialism did nothing right abnd the world would be better off without European explorers
>>679870
>The Wehrmacht or the Red Army were villanous rather than just citizens doing their duty.
>'White people' exist as a race.
>The French revolution -most revolutions in fact- were beneficial in the short run
>>679369
Nice pic senpai

>>678712
You are just trying to fish for people who agree with your opinions like most "post x history memes"

>>682788
>muh just following orders

>>679543
>Machiavelli was a Machiavellian

If you're one of those bozos who thinks that The Prince was satire, you're worse.

>>682817
Can someone please explain what exactly The Prince was because I have no idea.

>>682358
>europeans

>The Germans wanted to kill all people without blue eyes and blonde hair

This is probably the biggest one

>>682833

I've met some retards in my day, but none of them have ever said this.

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>>682807
>Being drafted makes you a criminal because the nation you're serving is morally corrupt.

>>682833
Maybe not kill them, but they certainly wanted to enslave most of them.

>>680779
get the fuck out

you aren't contributing anything to this thread which makes you as much of a shitposter than "/pol/lacks"

also, nobody is getting btfo here

get the fuck out

>>682844
lol

>>680673
>you literally have to ask permission from the government if you want to build a vending stall in the square, they mark your comings and goes
You don't know how farmer's markets worked, do you?
>>680705
>being a seajew;

Some retard on /int/ said this, it was the most retarded thing I've seen in my life
His view was that Belarus was created during the Russian Civil War by the Whites when they were losing it

>>678724
They started with a conclusion and worked backwards. Definitely pesudo-science.

>>682679
Total distance along the branches is the thing that you should be looking at.

>>679543
You missed a great opportunity to say "Wehrmacht(e) Nuffin".

>>678724
/pol/ off to a great early start in shitting up the thread, what a display of athleticism!
>/pol/ confirmed for being black

>>680229
It's not semantically accurate but it's a handy reference. Just like the "Oldowan" tool industry actually refers to a variety of different tool making techniques and peoples from all over East Africa all the way up into Georgia over a temporal period of hundreds of thousands of years.

>>683071
>Muh /pol/ boogie men

>>678712
>Czechs aren't germanic

>>682788
>European colonialism was totally bad!1!!
This really grills me. European exploration made the modern world possible. That being said the world would probably be a better/more interesting place if some European parties didn't just wreck/loot/invade anything with a semblance of value (not that I'm saying that isn't just the nature of civilization).

Can you imagine a modernized Mesoamerican civilization? A modernized Coast Salish nation? Would be pretty cool desu

>>679118
>The Crusades were unprovoked
desu the crusades were litteral meme wars

>>679313
nationalism =! patriotism

patriotism : wishing the best for your country
nationalism : thinking your country is superior

>>683149
>thinking your country is superior
that's chauvinism

>>679327
>everyone dropped dead at 30
Factoid actually just statistical error. Everyone dropped dead at 70. Miscarry Mary, who lived in a hovel and was responsible for over 10000 infant deaths each day, is a statistical outlier adn should not be counted

>>679118
>>Rhodesia was a good place to live in
Better than the rest of Africa for sure though.
(South Africa was probably equivalent)

>>682788
>Colonialism did nothing right abnd the world would be better off without European explorers

We'll never know about that, we just know that nation/states are more benefic to Europe than anyone else, also

>European colonisation has ended

>>683095
>posts 8th grade level memes
>upset when he gets called on it

>>679114
>le Russian general winter
I thought this was legit, teach me my friend

>>678724
Haha good job triggering all the redditors

>>679406
>Soviets raped all German women
What actually happened?

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>America is a Christian nation
>Lincoln wanted to release the slaves for humanitarian reasons
>Slavery was always about whites owning blacks
>There was no such thing as hunter gatherer societies
>Africa was a great place before the whites came
>The Aztecs were good people
>The Middle East was always shit

>>683276
>The Middle East was always shit
For the last couple of centuries that's true

>>682844
Yeah, that's why Hitler scorned Japan

>>679313
>ukraine existed
When? There was Kyiv, Halych, Volhynia, etc. which Ukies rightly claim descendance from

>was relevant
At times, but not for very long

>Kholmeini Iran is the bad guy
It genuinely is. The Shah was also shit, but that does not make Khomeini less shit.

>migrants going anywhere is beneficial to the natives
Depends on the migrants and the natives, innit?


>nationalism is bad and backwards
Kind of.

I sense a tint of /pol/ in your post.

>>683098
Kek

>>682722
>cleopatra was black
Greeks confirmed for black

>>678712
>African colonialism was the worst thing in history to happen
>Germany was "evil" in WWI
>The Japanese attacked the US without reason before WWII
>Nationalism is the worst philosophy to ever occur
>culture does not contribute significantly in shaping the state

>>683348
>Germany was "evil" in WWI
t. not Belgium

>Nationalism is the worst philosophy to ever occur
Only when combined with socialism

>>683356
>t. not Belgium
t. No one actually gives a shit about Belgium in a grander scheme of the merits and demerits of WWI. It does not contribute toward Germany being evil any more than the usurpation by Britain in creating Belgium as an entity.

>>683376
You're projecting. People usually care when faggots destroy historical architecture and kill civilians. Had it happened in Germany done by ENg/France you couldn't shut the fuck up about it. Fuck off.

> the usurpation by Britain in creating Belgium as an entity.
And this matters because?

>>683376
>No one actually gives a shit about Belgium in a grander scheme of the merits and demerits of WWI
Except Belgians. The fact that it was occupied although it was ostensibly neutral doesn't seem to phase one bit you apologetic faggot

>>683393
>You're projecting.
You cherry picked a portion of the war that doesn't make Germany any more evil than the Entente and implied it made Germany evil.

>People usually care when faggots destroy historical architecture and kill civilians
Took place on both sides. French troops were notorious for turning cathedrals in Belgium and Elsass-Lothringen into stables.

>Had it happened in Germany done by ENg/France you couldn't shut the fuck up about it
Speaking of projection.

>And this matters because?
The invasion of Belgium, who proclaimed neutrality while materially supporting the French prior to British entry, is as relevant to Germany being "evil" as the creation of Belgium by Britain making Britain "evil" after the Napoleonic Wars.

>>683415
Just read the shit above. It's not worth typing twice.

>>679543
>The Aztecs mistook Hernán Cortés for Quetzalcoatl
They saw similarities between the two, but were certain Cortes was at least a god of some sort.

>>682958
>hypothesis are conclusions
you dont know science very well do you

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>>678724
great bait

>>683428
Do you have a single proofs to back that up

>>683424
haha oh wow dont cut yourself with that sharp point your pickelhaube

>>683603
>not placing the Entente on a moral pedestal makes you edgy
wew lad

>>683226
They raped a bunch of German women. Germans also raped a bunch of women when they invaded the USSR.

The Red Army wasn't some horrific army composed entirely of rapists.

>>683589
Just the book Conquistador by Buddy Levy, which seems well researched and cited to me.

A major, if subtle, lynch pin, of the first conversation between Montezuma and Cortes was Cortes' withholding of denying himself as a God when asked. Like all brilliant leaders, he knew it would play to their superstitions, even when skepticism began to form.

>using "feudal" for any hierarchical system of devolved power

>>683701
This so fucking much.
Feudalism is about land ownership.

>>679867
Jackson was the only U.S. President to ever completely pay of the nation's debt.
And he was one of the very few if not only to not have a college education on top of it

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>>683638
Nobody placed the Entente on a pedestal you fucking mong, it's you who's frothing at the corners of the mouth about how "ze germans vere not evulz, itz ze entente".

>Took place on both sides. French troops were notorious for turning cathedrals in Belgium and Elsass-Lothringen into stables.
Firstly, need a sauce. Secondly, having your horse take a shit in a cathedral =/= killing civilians/destroying said cathedral. You moron

>The invasion of Belgium, who proclaimed neutrality while materially supporting the French prior to British entry, is as relevant to Germany being "evil" as the creation of Belgium by Britain making Britain "evil" after the Napoleonic Wars.
I don't even know what to make of this. This is so retarded I'm genuinely speechless. Wew lad, you have gone way over and are clearly just a fucking spastic retard. Brava.

>>683215
iirc, most of the victims of General Winter fell prey to misunderstanding the destitute of Russian infrastructure, and even after winter, found out the real hell on Earth.

Plains flooding and mud.

>>683995
Ceausescu paid Romania's debt, care to find out how he's regarded? He also didn't have a college education. Holy shit, it's like shitty leaders tend to do the same things right?

>>683638
Holy shit, meant >>684016 for >>683424

>>679433
>>679760
>>680533

I love radicalism as much as the next guy, but they were by no means the "good guys".

>>684016
Also something fun the germans did in Belgium
Burn a literally 1000 year old library to the ground with the people trying to protect the valuable books locked inside.

Also not to mention the systematic destruction of the entire industrial base of Belgium to such a level it still has not and will likely never recover from it.

Totally innocent people, those Germans.

>>683294
Not really

Their problems only started after WWI

>janissaries were EXCLUSIVELY captured christian boys

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> men preferring virgins is only a recent thing brought about our cultures gigs-patriarchy.

>>683276
>America is a Christian nation
Do you mean was, and now isn't?

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>>683318
>more Muh /pol/ boogie man

>>683116
this

the absolute retardation that was the peasant crusading force in the first crusade, the failures of the second and third crusade, and the complete dumbfuckery of the fourth crusade helped the kebab more than it hurt.

>>684330
/r/asianmasculinity plz go

>>683356
What is wrong with a socialist and nationalistic policy? and I don't mean nazism.
Without genocide, racial theory, and so on?

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>>679313
>Ukraine didn't exist and wasnt relevant

when memes could kill.

>>684412
>Ukraine
>existing
Ha, Kyeborg please go.

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>>679196
Its not that it wasnt good. But it wasnt what weeb neckbeards think it is cuz of anime.

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>>684417

>Polotsk and Novgorod were a mistake

>>678712
>France cant fight -
yeah, but they nearly conquered Europe in the 1800's
>Whites stole the african slaves -
Ha!, No, they Bought them from the MUSLIMS, who enslaved them As per 'The Koran'
>Muslims invented everything
Uh, No again, they were exposed to several different civilizations, where they got their 'Ideas'
>Dark ages
Imposed by the Roman 'Church' who was & is really a political entity much more than a religious one, and, is/was NOT truly representative of Christianity!
>Samurais better than modern special forces
Hmm...Certainly put more time/ effort into training (3-10 yrs vs life)

>>684454
Kyborg, you fascist dogs will lie in your Graves for eternity

>>679135
That graph is incorrect until you show me some sources

>>684471

>Be Russia
>Spend two hundred years suppressing ukrainian identity
>Ukrainian identity which doesn't exist

wew

>>679801
>>679870
lol ... no,
They Tried to destroy the international Banking Tyrants, who mostly consider themselves 'Jewish', (actually 'Kasars'), that loaned the Nazis huge sums of money, then stabbed them in the back

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>>684505
Kyborg pls, you're not even trying now.
Bow down before your Russian masters.

>>678712
>Alexander was good general
Kek hard

>>684528
C'mon nigga, you're going to downplay the Battle of Gaugamela?

>The Frankfurt School and Critical Theory were only created in order destroy western civilisation from within, and to turn people towards communism.

>>681311
>having a 1.4 million soldier army destroyed in one week had no affect on the Japanese government's choice to surrender

>>684565
Nobody thinks that, and you cannot prove it otherwise.

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>>678724
This.

>>682823
Not satire. It was inbetween the two.

Machiavelli had this idea
"You can do anything with bayonets, but sit on them"

It was better to succeed and not be Machiavellian. But if at times you had to be, then you should to preserve your princedom. Essentially that.

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>>684550
Alex is overrated general I can name 3 nations around that time that can beat him and the Frist is lead by this man

Hint: killer dumbo

>>682835
My teachers up to 9th

>>683149
No

>>678931
>the M4 was a shit tank that could only advance by taking enormous losses.
holy shit this
shit triggers me

>>683318
Russians have as much claim to Kyiv as the "Ukrainians" invented by the Austro-Hungarian empire.

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> Stalin's repressions was necessary
> catholic church was in war against science

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>>679369

>>684601
Well I do agree Hannibal belongs in any top 3.

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>>679444
>In the past, human beings operated at a higher level of consciousness, we were inter-dimensional, and *very* psychic.
Honestly laughed out loud at that part and closed the video. This could be a blast to watch with friends.

>>684620
>catholic church was in war against science
fucking god I hate this shit
people often forget monks protected scores of ancient knowledge

>>684579
Conspiracy theories about the Frankfurt School, critical theory and so called 'cultural marxism' are rife in far right circles and have seeped into some conservative circles. Rather than seeing critical theory as methods of critique about society and popular culture and its role in shaping society at large, they see it as a deliberate plot to undermine Christianity, traditional values and western ideas as to weaken western civilisation and steer it towards communism.

>>678712
>the frankfurt school is legitimate
>cultural marxism is just a conspiracy theory

>>684632
And Cyrus and charlemange

>>679784
He spent all his time dialing everyone

>>678712
>vikings
>hitler was the most evil person ever
>gandhi was such a correct person
>muslim science
>mandela and his buddies were so good

>>683149
no you retard
nation=people

Nationalism=love for your people
Patriotism=love for your country
Hence why nationalists don't like immigrants

>>684795
i agree with these except ghandi, he was pretty based

>>683276
>Lincoln wanted to release the slaves for humanitarian reasons
But he did. His involvement in the American Colonial Society shows that he always wanted Blacks to be free to go back to Africa.

>>684706
There's other fellas in history like Napoleon or Manstein.

>>684795
>hitler was the most evil person ever
He was a pretty awful human being, yes.

>>685149
>evil
I hate moral subjectivity

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>>678724

>>685149
>wanting the absolute best for his nation
sounds like a pretty nice guy

>>685198
Sure, he made some impressive leaps then embroiled it in total war, gutted it's battery of scientists literally cuz muh jews, and generally controlled every aspect of citizens lives.
Just to name a few of the absolute best things he did for his nation.

>>684674
There are fragments of the Frankfurt school that do such thing, but you're hyperbolic about what people say about them.
Cultural marxism, or cultural bolshivism is very real and widely discussed throughout history in the past 70 years.

Then again, both capitalism and communism/marxism are equally subversive.

>>685252
>Hitler gutted his battery of scientists
>Germany's scientists were all Jews
These are my absolute favourite memes.

>>685263
>cultural marxism, or cultural bolshivism is very real and widely discussed throughout history in the past 70 years.
yet hold very little actual influence in the west

>>685295
They were certainly a decent portion of them, not to mention some of their most talented members, which worried others.

>"Our national policies will not be revoked or modified, even for scientists. If the dismissal of Jewish scientists means the annihilation of contemporary German science, then we shall do without science for a few years.

>Reply to Max Planck (President of the Kaiser Wilhelm Society for the Advancement of Science) when he tried to petition the Fuhrer to stop the dismissal of scientists on political grounds.
— Adolf Hitler
In E. Y. Hartshorne, The German Universities and National Socialism (1937), 112.

>>685295
Is it true that the Nazis didn't believe in Quantum Physics or Relativity? Then again a lot of people didn't yet so that's not really a huge mark against them.

>>685334
>Is it true that the Nazis didn't believe in Quantum Physics
I think you're talking about Einstein's disagreements with Bohr.

>>685334
No idea. Considering they hated almost anything outside of their traditionalist ideals, such as in Art or Music, it's not a stretch that they didn't.

>>685319
Some would accuse a large portion of the American education to be heavily influenced by their acts.
Especially since they were harbored at Cambridge during WW2.

>>681311
Cool so America had nothing to do with defeating Hitler since they just spent forever prancing about in Africa and only made it as far as Italy before Russia finished the war.

>>685340
I really don't think the American education system is as far left as people make it out to be.

I heard nothing but bad shit about Communism in my classes.

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>Irish Slaves
>Soviet Union wouldn't have been shit if it was Trotsky instead of Stalin
>American Revolution was because of taxes
>States Rights
>Mao, Stalin, etc. killed a 100 million more people since the last time you checked

>>682823

A practical handbook for a Prince. Machiavelli wrote the world he knew as it was not as he wanted it to be.

>>685362

>Irish were indentured servants not slaves :^)
>even though they faced the same living conditions and died in droves

Revisionists go in the trash.

>>679433
you peasants... the only good ones were the monarchists...

>>685369
Irish indentured servants and even people given forced labour terms actually had social mobility though. Plus tons of them voluntarily moved to the new world and indentured themselves as payment.
Nobody's arguing they were treated like kings; tons of servants were abused by their masters. But you can't argue that they were owned for life, bred for the purpose of hard labour, and had no citizenship rights.

>>685348
In public school? Sure. You'll get some of the worst shit of it all, in collage?
Definatly not.
>>685392
>>685369
Irish "indentured servants" where treated worse and gabled away like tenner chips at the black jack table.
Actual slaves had a more paternal life with their owner.

>>685392

Implying no slaves had social mobility

>>685392
Excuse me. People had social mobility after their term of indenture or forced labour was up. There are actual documented cases of Irish indentured servants owning slaves after their terms were up.

>>685399
The level of social mobility that a slave would have was practically negligible unless, of course, you mean moving from the field to the house. Slaves weren't freed as often as terms of indenture expired.

>>683113
who says they would have modernized?

>>684257
I think you'll find they were pretty fucked before the ottoman empire too

>>683995
why is it a good thing to not have a college degree, fuck me why are you Americans so anti-intellectual

>>684388
it was always intended to be secular, that's what the first amendment is for

>>685456
Not him, but that's a load of shit. The Establishment and Free exercise clauses are far more limited than that. None of the Frqmers had problems with the official state churches, supported by taxes, that a lot of the state governments sported at the time of the constitution's ratification.

>>684648
Well of course they would protect theological and historical documents, it was the natural scientists and astronomers that everyone says they fucked with

>>685141
Lord Wellington

>>685461
>state governments
well obviously some of the states succumbed to crazy pseudo theocracies when over 90% of the population was one religion of another. It is an undisputed fact that the first amendment prohibits laws from impeding the exercise or establishment of a religion, this included the clause you mentioned

>>684257
Bull fucking shit

>>684632
Hannibal has one single noteworthy achievement, taking elephants for a walk. The rest of his military career was awful.

>>685446
He presents it as a contrast to his ability and scope of accomplishments.

>>685475
Famous for one battle where he defends a well formed hill, and where Napoleon wasn't present in any effective capacity.

>>685580
> taking elephants for a walk.

>motivates 50,000 men across the deadly alps
>wages war for nearly a decade in Roman homeland
>manages to rally local tribes to trust in his leadership
>completely BTFO romans at Cannae, one of the bloodiest defeats in battle history.

No, as far as leadship goes he's among the very best. His strategy was certainly wonky, but his tactics were still effective.

>>679466

Stop shilling, Carrier.

>>685670
Wellington defeated every decent french general of the time, not to mention his exploits in india. Waterloo was just his magnum opus

>>685470
But they didn't.

>>685748
I'm not educated on the subject at all, all I was saying was that the fact that they protected certain documents is not proof that they were friends of science

>good and evil exist
>some things are objectively better than others in history
>applying any sort of political narrative to history

Y'all can go fuck yourselves. Seriously.

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>All dictatorships were/are bad
>Y-you can't kill god!

>>686182
>All dictatorships were/are bad
Yes. Inb4 Singapore

>Y-you can't kill god!
Why not?

>in the winter of discontent, the evil unions put the whole country on strike and the dead went unburied
>the country was on its knees until brave maggie thatcher came along and rescued us all

>>686200
*coff* Pinochet *coff*

>>685456
An absolute crock of shit.
Go read a goddamn book.
>>>/r/atheism

>>685086
he married a 12 year old. imagine the wedding night

>>685086
Ghandi was an Anarcho-Primitivist nutjob who fucked his niece.

>>686248
Pretty sure he never fucked his niece.
You're thinking of Hitler (^:

>>686283
http://www.minoritiesofindia.org/gandhis-sexual-abuse-of-grandnieces/

>>686286
I'm not really going to read it because I don't care that much, but didn't he just lie with them?
He was celibate...

>>686301
You should read it.

>>686311
I got to the part about
>a Indian feminist
And closed it.

>>681291
Often, it isn't. Genes can be present without being expressed, like a blue eye gene in a brown-eyed child.

Many expressed genes are also invisible.

>Africa would be better-off if the indigenous polities and institutions had not been destroyed

>>679122
TANK BOY!

>>685776
But they were.

>>679487
how does race science not make sense?
different people loving isolated from eachother in different enviroment for several thousand years makes me wonder how it can not be considered different races. Aboriginals lived in Australia for like 40,000 years thats enough for a new race to be evolved.

>>686601
>>686601
>loving
living

>>686202
>communism is bad, mmm'kay?

>>686236
>>>/pol/

>Le british empire was ebil
Incompetence does not equal evil

>>685263
>bolshivism


also, you are confusing things my dear forrest dweller. But I laud your willingness to learn and converse and share your worries about the future.

>>686615
>>>/pol/
The United States was founded on judeo-christian values.
Only a moron would deny such a thing

>>684620
>catholic church was in war against science

this is actually a /his/ meme;

>catholic priests saved knowledge hurrr

completely failing to make a simple question: what were they saving it from?

>>686628
uhhhhh.... what?

The British empire was in no way incompetent. Part of the reason it was so evil and destructive was precisely because it was extraordinarily well-run and well organized

>>679369
PEOPLE FROM THE BANNER OF THE SUN

>>685949
>political narrative in history
the cancer ruining Colleges
I currently have a fucking unqualified "gender studies" professor teaching my mandatory US history class, even though she shouldn't be.
it's every bit as awful as you would believe, and no one likes her

>>686641
you mean, only a moron would project his externally-metaphysicalle justified moral principles on the legal basis of a society

underage please

>>679867
Truman didnt have a college education and was in all aspects based.

Jackson sucked dick at about half the shit he did but did some cool things like spank Calhoun's ass.

>>680148
It was the principle cause, the rest were but kindling.

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>>685263
>Cultural marxism, or cultural bolshivism is very real
Marxists are power-hungry. Would cultural marxism be a real thing, they would have already conquered the world. Cultural marxism is just the boogeyman that far right ideologues and reactionary academics have pushed in order to unify their political positions.

>>686663
Nigga go read what each of the founding fathers said about God and country.
It wasnt offical, but the United States was founded on Judeo-christian values.
Fedora tipper pls.

>>686672
>Le vikings where savage raiders meme
fuck off angloscum

>>686650
>implying fighting tribals requires that much organisation when you are that advanced in tech
>implying it didn't get it's shit pushed in most of the time by other equally advanced countries
They got their asses handed to them by farmers.

>>686672
A. Your pictures shows to completly unrelated instances. One of actual savages who made a life off of pillaging and war. The other is in a modern nation where opportunity to succeed is abundant, but they fail disportionatly.
>>>/leftypol/
B. Cultural marxism and the earlier Cultural bolshevism are openly discussed topics and very real.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist as a concept.

>>686672

>reactionary academics

Literally who?

>>686692
Anyone who disagrees with him.

>>686676
Theist, maybe.

Monotheist, maybe.

You could easily say it's founded on Protest Reformation Secularism. It says nothing about anything. And you know that when people spout that shit they're trying to institute some theocratic bullshittery.

>>686687
Vikings could have farmed and made a life instead of pillaging and war. Many did. But you love them because they waged war and did shit you associate with black people.

Just admit you're wrong, you got pwn'd like a little nublet, and move on. No one will even know. You're anonymous.

>>686676
>It wasnt offical, but the United States was founded on Judeo-christian values.

I am supposed to argue with you? You already repeat yourself.

>>686693

I figure that, but it's still baffling because saying "reactionary academics" is like saying "Jewish Nazis" at this point.

>>686701
I don't love Vikings.
I know jack shit about them.
I don't associate a general behavior with blacks, I just look at results.
Get the fuck
>>>/out/
Nigger
>>686705
>I am supposed to argue with you? You already repeat yourself.

>>686701
>Vikings could have farmed and made a life instead of pillaging and war. Many did. But you love them because they waged war and did shit you associate with black people.
your an idiot. Vikings didn't raid that often. they mostly traded colonized and worked as merchenaries

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>>686721
>merchenaries

yes, they were mercheneraies unscathed by cultural bulshivism
you know what I call that? BALLS. 'nuff said

>>686659
Sounds like story time to me. Hit us Anon

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>>686721
>merchenaries

>>686724
You have Autism.

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>>686672
Epic, you really beat him down.

>>678931
>> if the Japanese attacked the Ussr alongside the Nazis, they'd have had a clear run all the way across Siberia.

this would of happened had they timed it right but they had the added disadvantage of having to cross thousands of miles of hostile wasteland, if they wanted to take any significant military action against the russians

>>686727
typing on my phone is cancer

>>686724
what are you talking about nigga?

>>686748
yes...that's what's wrong...

>>686751
are you implying they didn't work as mercenaries for byzantium?

>>686725
oh boy I don't even know where to begin with this cunt
>completely unqualified to teach US history
>we have 4 US history professors why the fuck am I not being taught by ONE of them?
>she literally teaches gender and gay history
>i get stuck with her
>we have a specific school website that we are supposed to use for our homework and such
>she drops it in favor of this dogshit website that no-one knows how to use and the website literally explains nothing.
>pushes her agenda daily
>flat out tried to revise history at one point
>literally every student in the class hates her or doesn't want to be here
>no one knows what the fuck to do as she has explained fuck and all what we are supposed to do for work. (literally nothing i'm not kidding)
>this is a mandatory fucking class and I can't just drop it
>I'm actually going to get something less than an A for my history courses and this triggers me beyond belief

seriously I'm a fucking straight A student in history, so the prospect of getting a B or god forbid a C is driving me fucking insane. This bitch explains literally NOTHING. And dear lord her fucking agenda, every goddamn day. It's goddamn terrible
this is the first time I have come face to face with the progressive beast that is destroying Universities, none of my other professors, not even the SJW professor that I had that was actually a complete bro pushed this bullshit.

>>683149
>nationalism : thinking your country is superior
Considering that most of the people that post on 4chan come from countries that are distinctly and objectively superior to most other nations on earth, I don't understand why your interpretation of nationalism is supposed to be inherently bad.
I get the feeling that anti-nationalists would become nationalists really fucking fast if they had to live as a unprivileged citizen of any Asian or African country for a while.

>>679177
It's an overeaction. They dislike people praising a nazi so they have to cut him down. Same thing happens to Robert E Lee. People will either overrate or underrate them because too much emotion is involved.

>>686773
just want to add, feels good to actually get this shit off my chest
this professor has no right teaching US history, let alone being the ONLY ONE TEACHING IT THIS SEMESTER.

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>>686773
>university
>unqualified teachers with heavy agendas

I only thought those were memes, what the fuck ?

>>685395
What do you mean "paternal life with their owner"? I can only take this to mean that you're arguing slaves were "taken care of" as in lodged and fed by their masters and servants somehow were not. First of all, that's untrue. And second of all, if you are indeed implying it's somehow benevolent for a master to feed his slaves in order to maintain their ability to slave for him you have a really fucked up sense of kindness.

>>683276
>America isn't a Christian nation
>Founding Fathers allowed states to ban non-protestants from holding office

>>686807
they are not
first thing I tried to do was get into another US history class (put off US history to pursue Europe and Asian history)
but she's teaching BOTH classes
it's fucking disgusting, especially since the other professors I had were able to leave their politics and agendas at the door before teaching.