Who are examples of the concept of the Übermensch?

>>542551
not OP, for sure

fedoras

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>>542551

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Super Dave Osborn, natch

Every single successful druglord.
What did you think?

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>>542551

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>>542551

according to nietzsche himself we have socrates, jesus, and napoleon.

There never was an ubermensch; the ubermensch is a goal for the future; Nietzsche himself was not the ubermensch.

>>542774
>socrates
"Socrates was the buffoon who got himself taken seriously"

>Jesus
"Nietzsche thought that the word idiot best described Jesus. According to Walter Kaufmann,[34] he might have been referring to the naïve protagonist of Dostoyevsky's bool"

>Napoleon
The only correct thing stated

>>543132
>Jesus
>Socrates

Lmao there is no way this isn't bait

>>542551
me

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the anglo man is the classic example of the untermensch

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>>542551

There is only one: taking risks

Genghis Khan
Cyrus
Mansa Musa I
Napoleon
Alexander the Great

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Übermensch are alphas
slaves are betas

if you understand this, then you know everything

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>>542551
Yukio Mishima

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Stalin

From petty criminal to master of half the world.

>>543253
>>543288
What beef does Nietzsche have with Socrates?
Didn't he live a give-no-fucks lifestyle?

>almost everyone can only think of heads of state and generals

This is a jv reading of Nietzsche

>>543604
>muh 90% unoccupied land that is only "russia" nominally

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/thread

>>543607
At least read the damn books. There's multiple chapters dedicated to this in twilight of the idols. Socrates was the one that got the ball rolling towards the 'death of the real world'. Nietzsche believes Socrates really did corrupt the youth with degenerate philosophy.

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me tqbh

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Sam Hyde

>>542565
sick burn!

>>542613
what the fuck, his jaw width is wider than his fucking temples width

>>542551


go home /pol/

I thought the idea was that we are closer to monkeys than the Übermensch and it is an ideal humanity must strive for.

>>543865
untermensch alert

>>534055

>>544957
It's both really. You need to understand that humanity is only a collective of indivualis. The way evolution (and I use this word metaphorically) works is that the transition is slow. When humans transitioned from monkies there were once many many monkies and only a few humans living among them, but these were not fully human they were still part monkey.

So there will be a few humans that excele so much that they stand alone as Ubermench among normal humans. However this is very rare, less than one a century. The total arrival of the complete Ubermench is a gradual struggle that all humans are taking upon themself. Some of us will be more ahead than others. For the individual it's not important that you become a total Ubermench (it's most likely impossible) but it's something you strive for and get as close as you can within your life.

One way to interpret Nietzsche's skepticism on free will is by thinking what droves Nietzsche to such a stance. Nietzsche was a petite bourgeoisie in a historical period that it was very difficult for a petite bourgeoisie to accumulate further wealth and raise his social status. It was the rise of the industry era, the power of the accumulated wealth was already visible, and big wealth was in a position to limit the mobility and the prospects of other classes. His own life was filled with accidents and poor health, so by his perspective, the notion of free will, that naturally arises from a period of history in which the middle class was able by using hardiness, luck and belief in oneself to sustain or develop their social status, has become an empty concept. With the same method you can understand the problem of the cause and effect. Now, effects seemed uncorrelated to the causes, no reasonable selection of causes could create the necessary effects i.e. the social sustaining and growth. "Now" the traditional methods of social rise were obsolete, "a human could no longer satisfy the requirements". It would require a "super-human" for this. A mystical, immoral way of wealth accumulation and social status. This is the perspective of the petite bourgeoisie, camouflaged behind a criticism to the urban free spirit.

>>545198
This entire post really seems like you have never read Nietzsche. Nietzsche was born into a successful family, he become a tenured professor at 20, and knew the important people of his time like Wagner. His response to his sickness, and he makes this explicit in Ecce Homo is a philosophy of optimism and finding hidden meaning in trajegy. He explicitly tells us he used his sickness to understand decadence, and used it as a motivator to double his efforts to be healthy in mind since he cannot be healthy in body.

Trying to argue that his understanding of free will came from looking at social situation is basically ignoring everything he ever wrote and putting in your own damn interpretation. His understanding of will comes from Schopenhauer which argues that it is the will that controls us, not the other way around. Nietzsche expanded this in a new metaphysics in which there is not one will in a person but many and they have a complex relationship with some controlling others but none of them being fully free or fully subjugated.

Thus the idea of free will naturally does not make sense in such a metaphysics. Schopenhauer also believed that neither free will or determinism were valid understandings.

I don't know who wrote your copy-paste but they clearly have no interest in representing Nietzsche even remotely accurately.

>>543604
>petty criminal
what

>>543800
I went to school with his daughter. Pretty hot.

>>542551
Everyone on Carlyle's hero list

>>545582
But what about his daughter?

>>545656
Normal upper class girl. Attention whorish but pretty cool.

>>542613
Actually not a bad shout

>>545494
He robbed banks and was a heavy for the bolshies before they came into power.

>>542551
A: Nietzsche
B: people Nietzsche likes when his usual syphilitic neuroses aren't acting up

>>543831
preach

>>547950
Latest theory is that it wasn't syphilis but an inherited brain cancer.

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>>543585

Good shout, actually.

Diogenes surely.

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>>548081

Samefag here, also pic related.

>According to the Franco-Bulgarian historian, Frank Mintz, even during the Second World War, the Makhnovist impact appeared as "Ukrainian guerrilla groups still brandish the black flag and fought against the Nazis and the Stalinists".

>>542551
Prison's full of them, look for them there.

Don Quixote.

>>548967
>Prison's full of them, look for them there.
0/10 understanding

>>549016
7/10 understanding

>>548081
4/10 understanding

>>545198
-1/10 understanding

>>545014
1/10 understanding, the individual can collapse in the Dionysian. The Ubermensch is also not actually a fucking person.

>>545010
Stop shitposting.

>>543604
6/10 understanding

>>543584
Masters are alphas, 4/10 understanding.

>>543343
1/10 understanding

>>542613
-2/10 understanding

>>542706
8/10 understanding

>>542566
epic/10

Charlemagne.
Being illiterate is a great start for an übermensch.

>>542551
That's sort of subjective. I'd say men that have started with nothing and were masters of innovation or industry. Also brilliant artists.

In my opinion:
Hitler
Henry Ford
Tesla
Einstein
Bill Gates
Ayn Rand
Wagner

People who are great analogies to grasp the idea:
Alexander the Great
Napoleon
Julius Caesar
Goethe
Don Quixote
Nietzsche himself
Machiavelli

Unreal things that the idea is literally based around:
Greek Gods
Don Quixote

But overall it's the individual who determines it.

>>549052
>Hitler
In some regards, sure, but his entire system was based on a bullshit sense of German superiority. The biggest problem with Nazis is they had no concept of the Dionysian, when did the Nazis ever stop and gain pure self-reflection? They never did.

>Henry Ford
I don't know so much about his life, but in some ways I can see it. However, again, no Dionysiac-esque concepts. Henry Ford is not an example of a person who recognized the tragedy of life.

>Tesla
Muh Socratism

>Einstein
Muh Socratism

>Bill Gates
No, just no. He's a very good example of what's not superman.

>Ayn Rand
Fuck no, you're delusional.

>Wagner
Now you're just trolling. Beethoven > Wagner in this regard.

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>>549078

>>549052
>masters of innovation or industry. Also brilliant artists.
Hitler was none of these things.

>>542551
The only one alive right now?

Elon Musk. No one else is even remotely comparable. No one has overcome the level of difficulty he has. Nor has anyone accomplished so much in such a short amount of time.

This man is singlehandedly taking us to Mars.

>>550163
>not richard dawkings

>>542551
Julius Caesar, Cesare Borgia, Napoleon

>>545786
Actually raiding banks, post offices, trains and ships is called "expropriation", it's the only way to finance the activities of the illegal group without attracting any foreign funding.
Money were needed to buy guns, paper and ink, food and disposable clothes, to support the runaways, bribe the policemen...

>>548123
Wat? This "against Stalin and Hitler" idea came up in the literature of ukranian nationalist only in 1943 when everything went south.
And there definitely were no more black -flag guerrilla troops in Ukraine during WW2.

>>550163
>difficulties
>NASA gib moni plos ai bild e rogged

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>>542551
>all he does is talk about muh ubermensch and will and shit
>is a shit-tier permavirgin beta IRL

Somehow I can't take him seriously.

>>550401
You shouldn't. He was describing the perfect man he wanted to be, but couldn't because of endless health problems and failures with women.

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>>550428
>glorified auto-erotic fanfic becomes a major discussion topic years later

>>550512
In 100 years people will do the same thing with today fanfiction.

>>542551
Buddha is the only real Uebermensch.

If Nitch had a better understanding of his philosophy, he would have said the same thing.

>>549040
>Prison's full of them, look for them there.
>0/10 understanding

What exactly do you think will happen if you try to destroy the values of society and replace them with your own?

>>550163
>I skimming over Elon Musk' wikipedia article once

>>550163

Hello, reddit!

Ferdinand Porsche

>>550401
I've never seen this as good criticism of the man or his ideas. The easy way out would surely be adopting an egalitarian mindset and decrying master morality. But he didn't, he was dealt an unfair hand and didn't let his own misfortune corrupt his thoughts.

>>542551
Alex 'Icycalm' Kierkegaard

>>543785
>over 300 million people
>unoccupied land

>>542551
In his own work, the only established Ubermensch is Goethe.

>>550354
Nietzsche wasn't a fan of cesare Borgia, he only wrote about him once iirc

>>543785
Majority of World's population lived in socialist countries at some points of cold war.

>>550902
a child rapist went against the values of society, society isn't wrong about everything

>>550902
That doesn't mean "be a petty criminal"

Nobody dingus. It's supposed to be an unattainable goal. The bridge doesn't end.

>>542551
Literally no one, it's almost like waiting for a messiah

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>>550776
What? If Nitch had a better.... It was his philisiphy and understood it like no other. He mentions buddhism as a religion of decadence but at least they were honest about their unwillingness to suffer. He felt Christians were full blown hypocrites.

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>>549040
Am I doing it right?

>>543604
wasn't that more timing than anything else, there was huge social mobility as the governments were experiencing huge changes in ideology and structure, look at all the dictators in the era: Hitler, pol pot, stalin, Mao Zedong were all nobody.

>>543865
>cannot even discuss Nietzsche without tumblr faggots crying /pol/ despite not one mention of hitler, nazis, or race in the entire thread
srsly kill yourself dude

Any one who has ever committed suicide.

Alexander the Great
Charlemagne
Augustus
Plato
Julius Caesar
The Crusaders
Romulus
Moses
Napoleon
Andrew Jackson
Teddy Roosevelt
Henry Ford
John Rockerfeller


Currently Alive:
Donald Trump
Vladimir Putin

>>545290
this anon understands
>He explicitly tells us he used his sickness to understand decadence, and used it as a motivator to double his efforts to be healthy in mind since he cannot be healthy in body.
All the more tragic that the spent the last decade of his life a lunatic. In the end he was robbed even of his mind.

>>545290
>Nietzsche expanded this in a new metaphysics in which there is not one will in a person but many and they have a complex relationship with some controlling others but none of them being fully free or fully subjugated.
Pixar stole Inside Out from Nietzsche

>>543865
Surely this is a false flag no one is this handicapped

>>552109
Never, ever, did the entirety of the USSR outnumber the United States and West Germany alone. Then there is China and India each being twice the Soviets. That is a jarringly ignorant thing to say.

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>muh economics

>>545198
you seem to misunderstand skepticism for cynicism. To be skeptical is to weigh options and to lean towards one. The man was quite literally mania ridden and delusional there was no weighing of evidence, he was right and everyone else's opinions were wrong.

After reading 7 essays he wrote throughout his life i'd be surprised if someone did want to read him given the ratio of garbage to content. besides, once you filter out the stuff he stole from eastern religion and philosophy not much original thought was there.
by far, most overrated philosopher and madman i've come across. not once in the philosophy classes i've taken have Wittgenstein, Russel, Comte, Weber, or Charles Sanders Peirce even been mentioned.
people can say plato is the most overrated, hell no. At least he had ideas

>>556472
and Nietzsche stole from buddhist, jewish, neo-platonic, and hindu mystic practices
>>557459
it's everywhere, there is a reason ayn rand is not talked about on /lit/ there should be a reason we shouldn't talk about Nietzsche on /his/

>>557960
This may be news to you to learn this, but the Government of Chiang Kai-Shek actually fell, and the British left India and a fellow name Nehru took over.

Alters your calculations a touch.

>>543253
>immathrow some silly quotes and try to appear knowledgeable

Nice opinion m8

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>>542551

>>545198

This reads like a freshman essay from philosophy 101 by a guy that read parts of a wiki article.

Ask this fella
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXVO1HCNQ8M

>>555996
Buddha's philosophy.

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>>543343

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>>543343
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>>543343
BEADY

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>>543343
ETERNAL

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>>543343
ANGLO

>>550163
>elon musk is singlehandedly taking us to mars

That's a bit misleading.

Anyone with the proper resources COULD take us to Mars. It's not like we don't have the capability to go to Mars. It's just that we haven't because robots are easier in almost every conceivable way, and that you most likely would not be coming back.

Elon Musk is simply the only man bothering to put the effort into such an undertaking because he's not worried about profit. He has the money and wants to see people on Mars.

Hulk Hogan, the Ultimate Warrior, Mick Foley, Undertaker, Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, Macho Man Randy Savage.

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>>543800
NNNNNFFF
The children he would have had with Grace Jones would be truly supreme beings.

>>556420
Leonardo is a pretty good choice, yes.

>>556464
>Donald Trump
In some minor regards, yes, but overall he's not that special. Hitler was better than Trump at literally everything Trump is good at.

>>558012
>and Nietzsche stole from buddhist, jewish, neo-platonic, and hindu mystic practices
No he didn't, where did you get this delusional idea?

>>558012
>there should be a reason we shouldn't talk about Nietzsche on /his/
"Stop talking about what I don't like"

>>>/exit/

>>542613
Kanye West is the embodiment of the Hegelian spirit. He is Napoleon on a horse.

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>>542551
picrelated

>>561106
Why?

>>542551
None. Ubermensch are far beyond anything to exist to date.

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>>550163
What about Keanu Reeves

>Now 50 years old, Keanu’s life has been full of more tragedy than you would expect from a movie star. Despite each setback, he’s kept pushing forward. It’s helped develop himself into the awesome person that he is on and off the screen.

>At the age of three, his father left their family. They stayed in touch for a few years, but after the divorce and moving from city to city, they fell out of contact. Keanu attended four different high schools and struggled with dyslexia, making his education more challenging than it is for most. Eventually he left high school without earning a diploma, though through sheer will, he is an avid reader now.

>At the age of 23, his closest friend River Phoenix died of a drug overdose. During a Reddit AMA last year, Keanu said: “He was a remarkable human person and actor. We got along very well, and I miss him. I think of him often.”

>In 1998, Keanu met Jennifer Syme. The two fell instantly in love and by 1999, Jennifer was pregnant with their daughter. Sadly, after eight months, their child was born stillborn. They were devastated by her death and it eventually ended their relationship. 18 months later, Syme would die in a car accident.

His sister also died of cancer

Also Kenshiro from Hokuto no ken
>To become the true successor of the hokuto school one must know the true sadness of the world

>>557999
>once you filter out the stuff he stole from eastern religion and philosophy not much original thought was there.
well at least his eternal return is a secular samsara which talks to people.

>>561311
tfw i can never be a tough boy

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>>561169
fought against communism in three different armies (finnish, german and USian), distinguishing himself for valor each time
a staunch individualist, he was nevertheless renowned for his capacity to lead and inspire those around him
the kind of guy that you send in knowing that he WILL turn the tide of a battle by just being there and doing his normal thing
also didn't really give a fuck about normie life

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>>561065
> you will never have raunchy animal-style sex with Grace