Why did the Irish never fully integrate into the United Kingdom

>>522470

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

>>522473
The Church opposed Irish nationalism at every stage.
They excommunicated the United Irishmen and later the Fenian Brotherhood. They also strongly condemned the 1916 rising and sided with Britain in the War of Independence.

The notion that Irish rebellion were spurred on by raving preachers from the pulpit is quite wrong. The opposite was true.

>>522470
The Irish never fell for the "British" meme

This:
>>522473
And the fact that they have a seperate island, whereas the Scots and Welsh(not even relevant anyway), were always tied to what happened in England.

>>522481
It doesn't matter. Being staunchly Catholic is enough to highlight a unique identity in juxtaposition with protestant Britain. The Scots had independence movements too, but that pretty much ended because of dynastical ties.

>>522515
The Scots largely Calvinist during the reformation though, and Calvinism is far more distinct from Anglicanism than Catholicism is.

Religious identity clearly isn't the dominant factor here.

>>522481

irish nationalism = catholicism

look at how they sided with the spanish

The whole "Irish rebellion is due to fervent Catholicism" narrative is pure hogwash, it's a shame that much of the less scrupulous scholarship in this area has become trapped into this meme.

>>522544

>fervent

Has nothing to do with it. National identities are more often than not formed in opposition to another: in this case, Catholicism was a key symbol representing the difference between the British and Irish

It also works both ways as it in turn was in turn justify the questionable treatment of the natives by the Protestant elites

>>522556
This line of argument is almost racialist in it's character.

The unspoken premise here is that the Irish are too stupid or primitive to have their own nationalist, cultural aspirations, and were simply taking orders from Rome.

Nobody says that the French revolution was nothing more than a Protestant revolt against Catholic monarchism, or that the Yugoslav conflict of the 1990s was simply three religious groups duking it out, with no historical or cultural background to such a conflict.

>>522573

>The unspoken premise here is that the Irish are too stupid or primitive to have their own nationalist, cultural aspirations, and were simply taking orders from Rome.

lol what the fuck? I'm just saying Roman Catholicism was a cornerstone for Irish identity just as much as Protestantism galvanised the formation of an English identity

It's indisputable to argue that if the Reformation had extended to Ireland then its relations with Britain would have been markedly different

>>522527

calvanists don't pay tribute to an old fuck in rome

>>522595
>Roman Catholicism was a cornerstone for Irish identity just as much as Protestantism galvanized the formation of an English identity

This is a fairly lazy analysis.

>religion is the most obvious difference I can see between the Irish and British, therefore it MUST be the cause of the conflict between the two