Why does the United States hate Fidel Castro so much?

He told 'em to fuck off.

>>47200
Cold war relic.

>>47200
Because he's a Commie who allied with the Soviets and helped nearly cause the end of civilization.

>>47251
This is literally the only reason.

>>47528

CIA pls

When Carter announced he had cancer a few months ago I remember thinking christ is Fidel going to outlive ANOTHER president?

>>47200
He expelled the American businessmen using cuba as a source of cheap slave-like labour & tax haven, and as we all know, the capitalist state exists only to perpetuate the interest of the bourgoise. Ergo, embargo & assmad.

>>47251
>>47872

Hohboy, it couldn't have anything to do with the fact he gave an enemy state a stones throw base from the US?

No, it couldn't be at all.

Fucking imbeciles.

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>>47901
no

>>47251
Pretty much this.

>>47968
Butthurt american detected.

He started and funded a bunch of civil wars in Latin America. Countries like Guatemala and El Salvador have nowadays high crime rates because of that.

Who doesn't hate him?

Initially because he nationalized industry on the Island.

This industry was almost wholly owned by american investors.

So basically he stole Cuba from the United States.

The United States actually helped Castro to gain power, see Herbert Matthews.

communist who wanted to murder innocents

better dead then red

>>48118
>Who doesn't hate him?
Obama

>>47200
They needed an near and present danger during the Cold War.
Plus before him Cuba was the US playground and when he took over the told them to literally fuck off.

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>all these buttblasted claps

>>48118
>He did what the US has been doing for decades all over Latin America.

>>47200
A few reasons.

1) He is a Communist.
2) He is anti-American
3) He supports anti-American movements in other areas of the world.
4) He sided with the Soviet Union in the Cold War
5) He overthrew the US ally Batista
6) His island was a nuclear launch pad against the USA

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Daily reminder after the Cuban revolution Castro's first diplomatic move was to head to the USA and request a meeting with the President to restore relations, but he got the cold shoulder from paranoid Ike who didn't trust his evil commie ways bent on destroying Ameriga

Without anyone to provide the help and support to Cuba that the USA once provided, Castro turned to the Soviet Union for support as his second option, on hearing of the Cuban revolution, Khrushchev had no idea who Castro even was...

>>48506
The only reason the US funded civil wars, was becuase Cuba and the USSR funded communist governments in Latin America.

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>>48118
>He started and funded a bunch of civil wars in Latin America
Oh, the irony.

>>48586
But that's not true, Latin American countries democratically elected moderate socialist govemrments and the USA pissed itself every time and organised a coup

>>48586
And? Let those countries be communist if they want to.

>>48626
It is ok when the west does it.

>>48586
>not respecting the right to national self-determination

>>48660
Grrrrrr BUT COMMUNIST IS BAD

>>48651
>Latin American countries democratically elected
>democratically elected

lol you don't really believe that do you?

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>>48660
It is funny because Communists never took that approach in eastern Europe. It is almost like Communists do not believe in freedom of choice.

>>48709
Are you American by any chance?

Soviets were a bunch of sneaky bastards too in plenty of places, involved in civil wars they shouldn't have been, but you can't be saying all the socialist governments overthrown were secretly in the Soviets pocket

>>48718
>comparing latin-american socialist governments to the stalinist soviet union
WEW

hes communist. there is no better reason than that

>>47200
MUH NUKES
MUH SOVIETS
MUH COMMIES

good for cubans that it seems like the embargo shit will finally end, seriously, there's barely and need for the USA to be afraid of cuba and block their shit

>>48782
Castro was allied with the Soviet Union. Latin American Socialists are hardly Angels as well, Cuban troops have been used to murder Venezuelan protesters.

>>47948
This.

>tfw a capitalist Cuba would have prospered greatly and the people would not have slavery-tier lives

>>48118
>blaming latin americas decay on commies

heh, if only, conservative pro USA governments like the one in Honduras are destroying their countries as bad as commies in venezuela

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>former MI5 officer Peter Wright stated that the head of the CIA's Counterintelligence Division, James Angleton, told him that Wilson was a Soviet agent when Wilson was elected Prime Minister in 1964

Democracy is non-negotiable, except when we don't like who you choose

>>48862
>pro USA governments like the one in Honduras are destroying

libre pls

>>48118
Don't forget his interventions in Africa.

Cuba supported some of the worst dictators in Africa, such as Francisco Macias Nguema in Equatorial Guinea (80.000 killed) and Mengistu Haile Selassian in Ethiopia (500.000 killed).

>>48862
Chile is the sort of country that South Americans should be copying. They need more Pinochets and less Chavezs.

communists are the devil

>>48833
>Castro was allied with the Soviet Union

After the USA ignored Castro's attempts to open diplomatic relations with them, he was pushed into a corner, even Soviets didn't know who he was when he first took power

>>48925
>They need more Pinochets
Do you actually know anything about what Pinochet did?

Because he is a murderer who carried out multiple political assasinations

I still want someone to explain to me why is communism (100 million victims in dozen of countries) allowed in this board while racism (15 million victims in one country) isn't.

>>48947
Yes, saved Chile from Socialism. They are the most developed Latin American country thanks to Pinochet.

>>48939
He tried to open diplomatic relations after he had already done a whole heap of things to make the US his enemy.

>>48984
because this isn't /pol/. Go there.

>>48858
>murican education

>>48925
I've seen people talking a lot about Chile here, but Uruguay and Argentina despite the current crisis are some decent places to live even though they have no industry.

>>48984
Racism isn't a political ideology

>>48773
>but you can't be saying all the socialist governments overthrown were secretly in the Soviets pocket

I am currently eating a hamburger, I think that should suffice.

Most of them were, and the ones that weren't would have played ball with our enemies based on ideological opposition, just like Cuba did. Ever heard of realpolitik? You can disagree on moral grounds if you want, but the reality remains that if you don't fight your enemies your going to end up cucкed out of existence. To me, people who ignore that reality are either delusional anti-nationalists and/or they feel kinship with the people that got fucked over and express their anger through moral outrage, though if the opportunity ever came up they would of course gleefully do the exact same.

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>>48947
He killed communist guerrillas who wanted to establish a totalitarian dictatorship in the country.

>>48947
No worse, than what Castro did, and his country is in a lot better shape.

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>>49021
Uruguay and Argentina are worse than Chile. Not to mention that Argentina is run by a corrupt mafia.

>>49043
The UK elected mostly socialist govemenets until 1979, you didn't see them leaving NATO and jumping ship to the Warsaw pact

>>49005
>They are the most developed Latin American country
He killed thousands of people. He was a brutal dictator.

>muh economy
He created a giant banking crisis and destroyed the economy and had to nationalise all banking in 1982. After the crash, Chile abandoned all the stupid free market shit they were doing and went back to state intervention.

You should try learning some history instead of repeating memes.

>>49066
>who wanted to establish a totalitarian dictatorship in the country
Like Pinochet did?
>>49081
>No worse, than what Castro did,
Jesus.

>>49128
>He killed thousands of people. He was a brutal dictator.
Sometimes you have to break eggs to make an omelette.

>He created a giant banking crisis and destroyed the economy and had to nationalise all banking in 1982. After the crash, Chile abandoned all the stupid free market shit they were doing and went back to state intervention.
You are missing the point which is that what he did worked, and as you yourself admit he changed policies when things proved not to be working. Cuba and other Socialist states in Latin America such as Venezuela just march on until their people are being told to eat rocks to deal with food shortages.

http://panampost.com/panam-staff/2015/10/02/venezuelan-governor-suggests-eating-fried-rocks-amid-shortages/

Pinochet over Socialists every single time.

>>48922
get real here, you know the liberals and nationalistas are corrupt wasteful pigs, we have had less people like mel and more people like juan orlando and the country is still shit

>>49195
Pinochet's regime drove down wages and attacked workers when they requested political rights. It was an extremely oppressive regime and it didn't work. It only started succeeding when he did a 180 but even then the poor were still totally screwed and all the wealth went straight to the top.

Cuba and Venezuela are not anywhere near as bad as Pinochet's regime.

>>49107
>you didn't see them leaving NATO and jumping ship to the Warsaw pact

You don't actually consider that an insightful argument do you? The UK has such overpowering cultural, political, and economic ties to the rest of the Western world that it would never do something like that even if the effete political elite were entirely in favor of it, which they weren't.

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>>49104
Argentina isn't that far off, but I'm unaware of its economoical potential. Uruguay is doing pretty damn well for a country with virtually no industry and for having a past of being politically instable for 100 years, being influenced by both of its neighbours. They are still kinda influenced economically by both of them though, as a good deal of their revenue comes from cattle raising iirc. Chile, on the other hand, has its copper going on for them and a whole industry to support that.

>>49148
Pinochet dictatorship was not totalitarian, in fact, his philosophical approach, influenced by Jaime Guzman concept of "Gremialismo" was anti-totalitarian.

But what can I expect from someone who does think that Pinochet, who killed 3.000 armed revolutionaries, is worst than Fidel Castro, who killed 100.000, between rebels and innocents?

>>48925
Couldn't have anything to do with Chile's abundance of readily available materials to mine or anything. It's 100% their leadership keeping them afloat.

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>>49270
No one ever tried to flee Pinochet's Chile in a make-shift boat. In fact, with the exception of political exiles, Chile under Pinochet attract migrants from countries such as Peru and Bolivia, which were under left-wing regimes.

>>49270
>Pinochet's regime drove down wages and attacked workers when they requested political rights
Attacked Communists you mean.

>Pinochet's regime drove down wages and attacked workers when they requested political rights
It worked which is why Chile is the best country in terms of living standards, life expectancy, purchasing power etc in Latin America.

>Cuba and Venezuela are not anywhere near as bad as Pinochet's regime.
They are both far worse. In Venezuela they cannot even get basic products like food and toilet paper. In Cuba they have plenty of Doctors but no medicine for them. Socialism is not capable of product distribution or responding to demand.

>>49344
Argentina has been stagnant for decades and bankrupted multiple times due to its Peronist governments. If the Peronists had never come to power it would be at European levels of wealth it had continued its economic trends.

>>49405
Venezuela has some of the largest reserves of oil and minerals on the world, it has not benefited them much because socialists are not able to properly make use of resources.

>>49383
>Pinochet dictatorship was not totalitarian
This is a contradictory statement.
>>49457
>No one ever tried to flee Pinochet's Chile
Yes they did. People were blacklisted and there tens of thousands of forced disappearances.
>>49463
>Attacked Communists you mean.
No. Attacked regular working people who wanted an improvement to working conditions.
>It worked
Stalin did the fastest industrlisation in the history of mankind. Does communism work then?
>Venezuela and Cuba
Both of these countries are under giant economic sanctions. It's more or less impossible for them not to face problems.

>>49589
>Pinochet dictatorship was not totalitarian
>This is a contradictory statement.
No it is not. A dictatorship can be authoritarian but not totalitarian. An example of a totalitarian dictatorship would be North Korea. An example of an authoritarian dictatorship would be Egypt.

>Stalin did the fastest industrlisation in the history of mankind. Does communism work then?
Sure, if you are willing to work millions to death to do it.

>Both of these countries are under giant economic sanctions. It's more or less impossible for them not to face problems.
They have been facing economic problems from the moment their socialism was established.

>No. Attacked regular working people who wanted an improvement to working conditions.
No, attacked Communists.

>>49589
>Stalin did the fastest industrlisation in the history of mankind
Bullshit.

The Asian Tigers would like a word with you.

>>49707
If /his/ is going to be a place for apologists for brutal dictators than this board is already ruined. The relative economic success of Pinochet started in 1982 when he abandoned the Neoliberal policies, nationalised banking and went back to pragmatic state intervention. Before then, he had a giant crash where 25% of the population were unemployed on his watch.
>>49741
The Asian tigers were another extremely amazing success story (also done through state intervention). The sheer scale of Russia's industrialisation was much greater however.

>>49880
>pinochet had problems in the begining when he dealt with the crash caused by allende's commie policies
>the economic boom happens AFTER he implemented his policies
>somehow he did wrong
TOP KEK

>>49880
>If /his/ is going to be a place for apologists for brutal dictators than this board is already ruined.
This thread is filled with Communist apologists. I am just returning the favour. Including you who defend both Cuba and Venezuela. So lets not pretend you are some impartial person in this argument.

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>>47528
US= Civilization

>>49960
Pinochet came into power in 1973. The Chilean crisis happened in 1982. It's not even denied it was his "shock therapy" that caused it. After 1982 he abandoned the Neoliberal economic policies. It was at this point that Chile started to do well. When people celebrate Pinochet they seem to forget he actually had to do a 180 on his own policies in order to get the country back on track.
>>49971
I am no apologies for Cuba and Venezuela. But even the most ardent capitalist would appreciate that putting countries under embargos/sanctions will screw their economic development. After all, isn't free trade what the free market is based on?

>>49463
Jesus christ...this entire post.
This fucking board is going to be /pol/ 2.0, right?
Fuck this website.

>>49880
>Korea and Japan are Africa tier, with tens of millions of families living on the streets, and all usable infrastructure bombed to shit
>follow America's example
>have double digit GDP growth for decades
>steadily improving human rights situation in Japan, democratic uprising in South Korea after middle class reaches critical mass
>no GULAG
>no NKVD
>both states survive to this very day

Frankly, you'd have to be an actual retard to choose Marxist economics over Keynesian.

>>50107
>chile still tops latin america in human development with privatization of many important industries and more economic freedom than any other country in latino america
>IT WAS ABANDONING THOSE POLICIES THAT HELPED

What a retard

>>50107
>After all, isn't free trade what the free market is based on?
No that is a meme. Trade is based upon interests and shifts with interests. It is Marx who encourages free trade in his belief that it will speed up the arrival of socialism.

>>50125
>if you don't support Communists you do not belong here
Well meme'd.

>>50125
Bawwwww how come they don't think shitholes like venezuela and argentina are getting rekt by socialist policies!

>>50160
I have this sneaking suspicion that even if Allende had finished his term, Chile would still be a much nicer country than Argentina.

a lot of US politicians (mostly from south florida) have a vested intrest in satisfying the Cuban American electorate that hates Fidel's guts. Combine that with him being an "Evil" commie and various other bad blood issues and you have an unending dick waving contest.

>>50227
If argentina had not been ravaged by socialist policies since ages ago to kristina today they would be developing instead of having inflation up the ass

>>49975
triggered!

>>50227
If Argentina did not have Socialist policies it would be like like northern Europe in economic terms.

>>50296
I doubt it.

Peronism fucked them terribly.

The problem in Argentina was never a matter of left wing vs. right wing. It's a problem of corruption, and just general retardation.

They had 6 separate coups in the 20th century, to give you a rough picture of how competent they are at governance.

Can you faggots stop putting out your fucking idiologies for one fucking minute?

This board is going to become a cesspool of edgy racism and memefacts before it turns a damn week of existence.

This entire thing has been a such terrible idea.

>>50343
You just agreed with my point.

>>50355
Has anyone has expressed racism in this thread? Global rule 3 applies, if someone is racist then report it.

>>47939
The CIA tried to kill him HUNDREDS of times. You honestly believe he wouldn't retaliate? He's had all of them killed since JFK.

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>>50227
It would be worst than Venezuela.

>>50425
>>50483
I must reiterate.

The problem with Latin America isn't so much right wing or left wing economics.

It's political instability.

If either country had been able to keep to a constitutional, freely elected government, even under lefties, it would have been better than what actually happened.

>>50532
No it would not because Socialist policies breed corruption. The two go together, one stems from the other.

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>>47968
>USA USA USA deploying nukes in durkey is a-ok
>russia deploying nukes in cuba is not
American logic

>>50566
The Nordic states are considered to be the most clean governments on the planet.

>>50146
Your post is 100% correct and I don't advocate Marxist economics (not that they have ever been done though). Also, traditional Keynesian economics is fraught with problems. Post-Keynesian is where it's really at now.

America/South Korea/Japan did amazingly well through state interventionism in mixed economy. It never pursued free markets and profited as a result.
>>50160
Read what I actually wrote. In 1982, Chilean unemplyoment was 25% and GDP was -15. That was after nearly 10 years of Pinochet's epic market fundamentalism.

In 1982, he nationalised banking and switched to a more moderate state interventionist role. Also, he actually maintained the nationalisation of Chilian mines.

>>50636
The Nordic states are not Socialist.

>>50532
Salvador Allende was funding communist guerrillas from the Revolutionary Left Movement to take power after the end of his office. He wasn't some sort of "democratic socialist" like Olof Palme or François Mitterant, he was a legit revolutionary marxist for whom electoral politics were merely a method to achieve the end result which was the proletarian revolution that would slaughter the Chilean bourgeoisie.

>>47528
Castro was against the Soviet missile sites. The Soviets said it was a package deal with the conventional troops, so like the little kek he is he agreed.

>>50681
Depends on the definition you use.

Certainly, Cuba style socialism would be far worse for everyone involved than Pinochet style fascism.

>>50569
>putting this many words in my mouth

Retard logic

Russia would have every right to be pissed at Turkey as the US would be to be pissed at Cuba, dumbfuck.

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>>50812
>Depends on the definition you use.
The definition which we actually use here in Europe. I know Americans have an obsession with thinking Europe is full of Socialist countries but this is not the case. The Nordic states are Social Democratic, which is just capitalism with a welfare state.

>than Pinochet style fascism.
Pinochet cannot really be said to be a Fascist, he did not have any Fascist policies. He was just a pretty standard authoritarian leader. This is another very American thing to do, call all Dictators Fascist or Communist, as if they only come in two forms.

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>>47200
The USA has always considered Cuba to be a rightful possesion of theirs since they got it from spaniards (even before, actually).

So every cuban who rejects the USA is an enemy. Communists leading the anti-american movement in Cuba was just a consequence of the era where the events developed, it could've been any other ideology enemy of the hegemonic power in another time, like liberalism when american colonies escaped from Spain.

>>50962
Find this picture interesting for how much the inflate the distance to both Florida and Mexico, fine subtle rhetorical advice.

>be American born Cuban
>ask mom why people view Che as good, Fidel as bad
>rants for an hour
>doesn't really answer my question

Honestly, she insults (and loves) both capitalism and communism. I think she said some good things about Che while insulting Fidel, despite she views both as horrible.

Anyone have the story about that retarded CIA plot to make Casto's beard fall out with poisoned cigars? I could do with a laugh at my country's expense right about now.

>>52894
>casto
What the fuck phone.

>>52894
The CIA's Black Ops: Covert Action, Foreign Policy, and Democracy

On Page 115

Perhaps the most humorous plot involved the bearded leader's prized symbol of revolution: his beard. The CIA developed a plan to humiliate Castro in the eyes of the Cuba by dusting his shoes with thallium salts, a low-level radioactive powder. When Castro put his shoes on, the radiation would quickly make his beard fall out. This plan was to take place on a trip outside Cuba (almost certainly New York), where the CIA would get Castro's shoes when he placed them outside his hotel room at night to be shined. The CIA planned for this to take place during his appearance on The David Susskind Show, to maximize his embarrassment. This plan got to the animal testing stage, but was aborted when Castro canceled his trip.

>>53366
Wasn't this at about the same time they were doing all those experiments with LSD?

>>53599
Yes, right above that passage is a passage about the CIA's attempt to spray Castro with LSD before he gave a radio program for a similar effect of embarrassing Castro live.

>>50569
Yeah man the US really should have been upset that Turkey allowed the US to put nukes in Turkey oh wait you're fucking retarded

>>48709
>what is chile?

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>ITT: reactionary scum with no understanding of History or Economics
/his/ is a failed board, we've already soaked up all the /pol/acks too retarded to even make it on /pol/. Tuck it in, let it die.

>>54146
Not even a day old and already we've got people moaning about the death of the board. That says something profound.

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GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW

>>47200
He dindu nuffin, He just saved his kidnapped daughter from a bunch of slavs.