What are your favorite outnumbered battles?

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>>457794
>and than they attacked an army more than 10 times their size

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JUST

>>457794
British isles versus the entire world minus Portugal

Result: decisive British victory, advancement of civilization through the industrial revolution ending a life of grinding poverty, superstition and ignorance for billions and the establishment of universal liberal democracy as the prevailing form of government

>>457832
>>457836
France and UK now confirmed for not having any noteworthy outnumberd BATTLES.

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>>457794
China vs Sri Lanka

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Hardly a surprise considering the commander, but still.

>>457794
How did poles lose more men than they had

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>>457794
Why are Indians so pathetic?

>>457896
That Kingdom of Cochin flag is qt

>>457891

Because they suck, badly

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>>457906
well

>>457918
[citation needed] [citation needed]

[citation needed] [citation needed]

>>457808
16 people survived

>>457923
https://www.msz.gov.pl/resource/82082405-3b4f-4d07-bd96-d15df050470d:JCR

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LONG LIVE KING OF KINGS, DAVID THE BUILDER, SWORD OF THE MESSIAH

>>457840
there's a reason the french and british were so successful

they knew what they were doing

>>458010
>.gov.pl
Nope. No possible reason for a bias there.

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Emu War

>>458086
That's more funny because of how the Wikipedia page treats it.

I mean, do we really need to see the 'belligerents' in this 'war'?

>>458098
The Wiki page is better updated at this point, but they still hilariously list the 'participants'

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>>458030

>>458098
Template jokes are the salt of Wikipedia

>>457794
>755 casualties, 40 retreated out of 500

>>458070
see the sources provided in that document :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlson%27s_patrol

Marine commander uses peasant Chinese Communist guerilla tactics against the Japanese on a Guadalcanal in the middle of the Pacific in a conventional war... and it works to devastating effect.

>>457832
y-you forgot about poland!

>>457926
>ItalyinWW2.png

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>what are they gonna do, throw pila at us?

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25:1 odds using conservative estimates. 37.5:1 using highest.

>>458325
What battle/incident? Is this what "black hawk down" is based upon?

>>458334

Battle of Mogadishu. Yes.

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Notice how the opposing generals are brothers.

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With horses in a circle
They sang 'God Save the Queen'
And thirty four young troopers will never more be seen
They killed ten times their number
They're on the honour roll
So take your hat off slowly
To the Shangani Patrol

>>457884
How the hell could bumfuck nations like Pontus organise such massive armies?

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>>457941

I think the survivors shall envy the dead.

>>458533
Pontus under Mithridates the Great controlled the greater part of Asia Minor, and the vast grain producing areas north of the Black Sea. Food = fuel and money for troops and mercenaries.

>>457918
Nothing can top Klushino. Fucking conquering Moscow while badly outnumbered. Everybody should know about it.

>>458086
> There's two Emu wars
> Australia lost the first one

All of my why

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This thread seems like a relevant place to ask, so I'll ask.
What is it about Last Stands that appeals to people so?

>>458749
People tend to root for the underdogs.

>>458749
REMEMBER THE ALAMO!
REMEMBER GOLIAD!

TRAVIS, BOWIE, CROCKETT AND A HUNDRED EIGHTY MORE

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Superior Korean ships folded ten thousand times.

>>458749
Probably something about human persistence even when they know they wont succeed

>>458180
>implying they didn't make up those numbers to make themselves look better

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Modern sources put the numbers much closer, but I'm still a fan

>>457896
But...
Both sides were majority Indian...

>>458851
Damn, what is it about Cornelii with cognomina beginning with "S" that makes them so based?

>>458112
That's a siege and they won the siege, you know that right? Please take your remove kebab memes elsewhere.

>>457794
Any of the Ottoman Empire's battles would do I guess. Because you know, Europeans can't lose unless they're heavily outnumbered and even then they would take down half of the opposing army. Ottomans conquered eastern Europe out of luck anyway.

The point is, number estimation in battles are very badly done usually.

>>457840
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Omdurman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Abu_Klea

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>>457794
>500 soldiers
>over 700 killed

>>458749
Having brass balls, standing and fighting to the end knowing full well itll be the death of you.

>>458749
When you do a last stand, you can't win, you're not doing it for yourself, you're doing it for the sake of others, even if you think its existential or something.

Either you're doing it for a cause that other people benefit from, or you prove that people can do last stands, which acts as a deterrent in the future to people cornering an injured beast.

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Anyone post this one yet?

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>>458966
>posting China

That's kinda cheating, to be h.

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Just Sulla my shit up

>>458919
wives and children dont get counted as infantry, anon

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>>459287
How you want your faction, Marius?

I never see anyone post this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tannenberg_Line

>>459415
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tannenberg_Line
Based.

>>459415
Probably because there's a million battles where outnumbered Germans defeat Soviets

>>457884
>>459287
>>459372
All we need is more of this, most underrated and unknown Roman of them all.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia

>be Europe
>follow frogs in to Russia
>get slaughtered and annexed

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>>459604

>>459458
I dare you to find one more impressive

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Agincourt

>>458851
WORST FUCKING DAY OF MY LIFE

>>458966
>decisive Tang strategic victory
>20,000 - 30,000 civilians eaten

>>460059
http://www.pavc.ne.jp/~ryu/english/articles/chinese_carnnibalism.html

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>>458180
>mfw seeing a documentary about that battle some years ago in history channel and they pictured Boudica as a hero and a genious

>>458749
People love last stands and underdogs unless it's Germany, in which case their enemies were conveniently inferior at first, and people say they should have given up earlier. They're just salty that Germany's last stands have been the best and bloodiest.

>>458749
a much smaller group beating a much larger one is probably the most immediately impressive way of showing that the people on the smaller side had their shit together, that they could find their biggest strengths and the enemy's biggest weaknesses and exploit that in the best way possible

>>457926

>mfw playing Italy in Hearts of Iron 2
>Follow historical advice. Invest heavily into military technologies.
>June 18th, 1940.
>mass 20 divisions of armour, mountain and artillery on the French/Italian frontier.
>Get fucking decimated by three divisions.

What the fuck.

>>460577
You do it like in history and only join the alliance to get Savoy from France. And then not fuck up Greece and North Africa.

>>458112
>killing one of the greatest rulers of all time

Not much to be proud of

>>458895
>>460642
kek mad kebabs out in force, the butthurt is so obvious you need to tone it down guys

>>460074
That is unreadable garbage. The arthor spends so much time rambling about Japanese bigotry its redicoulus

>>459608
>900,000 vs 650,000
>still only win because of disease/starvation/frost

>>461011
>Russians don't need to eat
>Russians don't feel cold
This meme again.

>>461036
Russians were at home, retard
The French relied on goods they could find in conquered cities, but the Russians burned them all before fleeing
It was a pretty intelligent strategy from the Russians to retreat and burn everything, but it sure wasnt glorious, nor was it a military victory (so numbers are irrelevant).

>>461039
> You don't need to eat at home
> You don't feel cold at home
> You don't catch a disease at home
Sure, m8.
> nor was it a military victory
Was it Cultural, Scientific or Economical victory then?

>>460598

The moment you go to war with France, the Brits use it as an excuse to fuck with Italian Libya. I can only not fuck with Greece and Yugoslavia and therefore not be too detrimental to the Fuhrer in the east.

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I still can't believe this actually happened.

>>461303
hey Einstein, it was already posted here >>458783

>>461312
You're assuming I read the thread and/or give a shit.

>>460642
Killing Turks is always something to be proud of.

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seems like this kind of stuff happened to the Zulus with alarming regularity

>>460682
>>460074
To be fair, the original book the article references to is published by the tabloid publisher Raiin Shuppan, which is released alongside other wonderful works on par with /pol/ threads, complete with Jew finger-pointing and other conspiracy theories.

I have zero knowledge regarding the battle, but that article isn't exactly the most credible source.

>>457926
How is possible to be this bad at war?

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Britannia rules the waves

>>461350
That does tend to happen when you fight riflemen with spearmen

>>458086
Losses :
> 10 000 rounds of ammo.
> Dignity.
Kek'd so hard

>>458136
Yeah, I don't understand the maths behind it either. Does someone have a clue?

>>461346
>>460656
> So edgy
> So fucking dumb
There's a board for 14 years old who want to show how bright their thoughts are, it's called /pol/

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reminder that this is the army that the US spent million tax dollars training

>>461514
>getting offended when someone responds to the OP completely appropriately
>get called out on your butthurt
> GO BACK TO /pol/!
wew laddy

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>>461535
the ensuing final battle was even more impressive

>>461571
I'm not sure 'fell' is the right word here; to my understanding the Iraqis fled rather than fought.

>>461567
> Killing Turks is always something to be proud of.
> kek mad kebabs out in force, the butthurt is so obvious you need to tone it down guys
So I'm not sure what you are saying (the post you're answering to is my first on this thread), but seriously, none of these two comments has any element of quality in them. So yeah, if all you have to say is "HURR DURR kill turks xDDDD remove kebab kek", /pol/ is indeed the perfect place for you.

>>461600
they were captured and executed i think, i saw the video on liveleak. those were from the siege of ramadi if i remember correctly

>>461616
Not all of them, a huge portion deserted if I'm not mistaken.

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>>460480

>>461350
Zulu war tactics was literally just zerg rush

>>458490
GO ON HOME BRITISH SOLDIERS

>>458851
>Seleucid
Shameful

>>458966
This was so fucking brutal, holy shit.
Zhang Yun was an absolute madman.

>The Tang soldiers fought bravely until early October. Finally, with fewer than 400 men alive, and the men without the strength to shoot arrows, Suiyang fell to the Yan army. Zhang Xun said before the fall, "We are out of strength, and can no longer defend the fortress. Although we have failed the emperor in life, we hope to keep killing enemies after death."

>Zhang Xun, Nan Jiyun and Hui Yuan were all captured. Yin Ziqi asked,"I heard that every time you fight, you open your eyelids until they rip, and you bite your teeth until they crack. Why do you do that?" Zhang Xun answered, "I want to eat you traitors alive. The damages to my eyes and teeth are nothing." Yin Ziqi used a dagger to hold open Zhang Xun's mouth, and to his surprise, all but three of Zhang Xun's teeth were indeed cracked. Zhang Xun finally said, "I die for my emperor, so I will die in peace."

What the shit

>>462112
TIGHT PANTS
TIGHTER GROUPINGS

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>>462112

REMOVE BUSH COMMIES

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pretty cool battle

>>457901
>mfw from Cochin.

>>461350
God it's almost as if having vastly inferior military technology will always kill you no matter the tactics or numbers

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It could be worse...

>>461615
>>>461567
>> Killing Turks is always something to be proud of.
>> kek mad kebabs out in force, the butthurt is so obvious you need to tone it down guys
>So I'm not sure what you are saying (the post you're answering to is my first on this thread), but seriously, none of these two comments has any element of quality in them. So yeah, if all you have to say is "HURR DURR kill turks xDDDD remove kebab kek", /pol/ is indeed the perfect place for you.
>>461615

>HURR DURR
>xDDDD

back to reddit baby boy
wew laddy

>>458325
>160 heavely armered and trained soldiers with the latest technology
>Against some thousands of low armored untrained militas with knifes.
>Impressive

>>458325
>>463305
>Aidid ultimately won with a media blitz
Won the game, lost the series.

what the fuck is this battle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Iceland

>>463428
That's not a battle

>>457891
AFAIK there was exactly 720 Poles

>>462542
It doesn't

See battle of isandlwana

>>458497
>t. Alberto Barbosa

>>463428
>1 killed (suicide en route)
what

>>457926

>9 prisoners

jesus christ they didnt even kill any of them in the end

>>461350
That's because Zulus were basically African Romans, both in tech level, but also in the strengths the Romans had, I.E. the ability to regulate their manpower to a massive degree.

A defeat like that would have caused the immediate collapse of comparably sized South African polities. But the Zulus just come back with a new army.

me vs high school

>>458180
>conveniently leave out the part where IX Hispana lost half its number and were routed just before.

>>461053
THE RUSSIANS WERE TACTICALLY AT HOME IN RUSSIA AND COULD HAVE GOTTEN AID FROM THE LOCALS THEY WERE FALLING BACK ON
A FELLOW RUSSIAN CAN SHARE THEIR HOME WITH THE SOLDIERS
A FELLOW RUSSIAN CAN SHARE THEIR MEDICINE AND FOOD WITH THE SOLDIERS
A RUSSIAN FLAT OUT WONT SHARE THEIR RESOURCES OR ANYTHING WITH THE FRENCH, MOSTLY BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY BURNT BEFORE THEY GOT THEIR.

>>459201

Why dont you post the Ming battles vs european powers? We all know that the Qing destroyed china.

>>458966
came here to post this. Zhang Xun was a fucking maniac.

>Zhang Xun is besieged in Yongqiu fortress, which he took himself by siege from its disloyal governor with 3k men. Zhang Xun now has 2k men, while the enemy camped outside have 40k

>needs more food
>who has food? the enemy
>goes and raids enemy camp, despite the fact that they outnumber his force 20-1
>now has enough food to survive

>needs more arrows
>who has arrows? The enemy
>get enemy to shoot at him by making straw dummies and dangling them over the wall. Enemy turns dummies into pincushions. Zhang Xun pulls them up and now he has all the arrows he needs
>enemy figures out about the dummies.
>now the enemy doesn't pay attention when figures are coming over the walls. now Zhang can send 500 of his of men over the walls to ambush the enemy. Which they do, killing 10000 and causing the remaining 20k to run ten miles before they reform. Enemy reoccupies their camp, and presumably finds that some of their dead have been shot with their own damn arrows.

>needs more lumber
>where are trees? outside walls, where the enemy are
>Zhang Xun politely asks enemy to move back 30 miles. Which they do, because Zhang Xun has told them he wants to leave them the fortress and will do so if they give him room to escape.
>Zhang Xun cuts all the lumber he needs, returns to fortress

We really don't talk about Zhang Xun enough.

>>463775
>both in tech level,
No. They might have had ironworking but there the similarity ends. The zulus had no armour, could only make shields out of cowhide, and most importantly had none of the logistical backing that the romans had. It would be more accurate to call them African mongols - a previously disorganised tribal people brought to prominence by one man with plan. The reforms instituted by Shaka Zulu bear a striking similarity to the changes brought about by Genghis Khan, in that he actually created organised units commanded by someone promoted on basis of ability rather than family.

The difference being that unlike the mongols, instead of seeing the benefits of this the Zulus murdered Shaka.

>>461633
>hurr everybody was absolutely weak, das why germany won
>suddenly when we all grew backbones and the ability to think, we beat them
Let the implications of this sink in.

>>463905
Before they got their what?

>>463988
Fucking. Based. I really regret not caring about Chinese history for so long.

>>457828

What's the difference between a tactical and strategic victory?

>>465299
>A tactical victory may refer to a victory that results in the completion of a tactical objective as part of an operation or a victory where the losses of the defeated outweigh those of the victor.
>A strategic victory is a victory that brings long-term advantage to the victor and disturbs the enemy's ability to wage a war. When a historian speaks of a victory in general, they are usually referring to a strategic victory.

>>463735
Because they never overran them
Germany defeated France which resulted in an armistice between France and Italy

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BTFO

>>463988
>However, he was severely criticized by some contemporaries and some later historians as lacking humanity due to his encouragement of cannibalism during the Battle of Suiyang.[3]

THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

>>458112
>lose siege
>grant suleyman a heroes death, dies of natural causes in his tent while his heroes storm the Walls
>work against sokollu mehmet who is basically a yugo working for the then-biggest multicultural empire, who worked his way up from nothing

yeah bro, thats not a good move.
WE WUZ the greatest empire my yugo bros, sadly imperialists killed it

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Posting battles of Europeans fucking up niggers and shitskins.This is how a Serbia in WW1 thread.

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>>465512

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>>465518

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>>465520

>>463988
He just needed 500 good men

>>463988
> Zhang Xun
The man so loyal even a Confusion society started asking 'is it possible to be maybe just a bit too loyal?'.

dat cannibalism though

>>465260
>THERE

>>459201
>since 17th century
Wrong, they annexed Mongolia in the 18th

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>>458966
Here's another one. Considering usually half of the large armies were Impedimenta faculty and easily cause larger turmoil when the leading troop collapse, they were probably not exaggerating much.
btw Chinese historyfags commonly refer Liu Xiu as the Son of Dimension who defeated Wang Mang, the socialist time traveller.

>>458022
QARTULI DZALA

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6 day war

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One of America's greatest moral and tactical victories

It's a pity that the country collapsed afterwards because the isolationist/'MoveOn.org' dumbfucks demanded the troops be pulled out, and because helping to rebuild civilization there reminded them of colonial imperialism and IMPERIALISM = BAD, MKAY.

>>465399
>look guys! I beat the zulu
The fact that you find this is noteworthy just make you seem pathetic
The knowlage that they beat you first verifies that observation

>>466902
>Liu Xiu as the Son of Dimension who defeated Wang Mang, the socialist time traveller.

This needs to be made into a movie

>>458112
>kebab dies of natural causes
>commander throws away his life
>lose the siege anyway
>r-r-remove k-k-kebab right guys?

Typical Yugo history.

>>458325
>Malaysia

Malaysia confirmed for better friend than the Philipines.

>>458851
>seleucid bully not so tough after being raped

>>458533
they were mercenaries mostly, not professional militias like romans

every single roman vs pontus battle has those numbers

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Britain tries to invade Russia from the unpopulated Pacific Coast. Shenanigans ensue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Petropavlovsk

>>457832
>United States
>Quasi War
>mattering

>>458086
>Emu War
>Part of The Great Depression
Ain't that the truth.

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Poland stronkest.

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>>457828
never mess with sikh fucks or you'll have your shit slapped

still... if you want to see battles won against all odds check for small countries.
e.g.: portugal - who was pretty much always representing the underdog role due to severe lack of manpower and yet they kicked spain ass time after time (to ultimately lose the kingdom in political games without any blood being shed)

>pic related: maybe be a bitch move since it's a siege but it still counts

and there's also napoleonic france like this one pointed >>457832 in which most battles waged were against france when talking about numbers - when the opposite happened the enemy would usually surrender or retreat instead of actually fighting

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>>457836
>british isles
heh no, rocks don't fight (money does)

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>>457896
they were unlucky enough to be fighting portugal's best commander of all time...
not only he delayed the inevitable long enough for disease to break out on the enemy ranks but he also made them fight each other and even ended up attacking them when they thought he was supposed to play defensive thus winning an impossible siege.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cochin_%281504%29
very interesting reading - all you see in fantasy hollywood movies glorifying shitty people in shitty battles but for real this time

>>457840

>implying the stereotypical British battles don't all involve being outnumbered

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>>458749
what's there not to like it - it's the ultimate act of bravery.
you know you'll die in the end, you know you won't be saved, you can surrender at most of the times and yet you decide to fight until everyone is massacred.


>pic related:
"surrender me m8s" t. englaland
"eat shit and die" t. la garde

napoleon commits the old guard when waterloo was lost to let the rest of the army retreat. so you "la crème de la crème" those who refused to cooperate with the monarch while napoleon was exiled and those who fight with him during several campaigns all over the world - obeying the order to die for the rabble since they were the only ones able to buy enough time for all to go away since they were pretty much unbreakable and like some say ""the guard dies and does not surrender!"

>>463814
>Roman Scholars
>YEAH BRO WE WERE OUTNUMBERED LIKE 3 TO 1 AND LIKE WE KILLED ALL OF THEM AND ONLY LOST LIKE 10 GUYS BRO

>>463428
I believe its a glorious victory over the fiendish axis forces truly proving the superiority of British strategy, get fucked hitler

>>470731
>t. Pontus

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No one mentions Cerami? Like holy hell, that was fucking brutal shit.

>99% of the figures cited ITT
>Even remotely accurate

Pick one and only one

>>465299
For example you can lost a battle but delay an enemy attack, see the eastern front

>>470731
t. Pontus

>>471626
don't ruin the fun

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How is it possible for one nation to be so bad at everything?

>>472426
>[dubious – discuss][citation needed]
>[dubious – discuss][citation needed]

mmm

>>468668
>moral

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>>474280
Better pic.

>>465451
In all fairness, all the battles of the GNW before Poltava have a place here.

Caroleans smashing the filthy muscovites

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If you have Wizna already, this is better.

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>>458180
:( muh celts tho

>>475306
>winning defensive battles in ww1
>not seriously outnumbered

>>474280
You know, if there was decisive action IS wouldn't last a day.

>>463905
You are retarded.

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>>458325
We did it better tbqh

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>>478176

Ahh, that's technically not outnumbered.

Have this then

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Do not trust wiki numbers, always check sources if they are reliable.

Anyway, posting. This guy is pretty underrated honestly.

>>471619
>w-we beat 50 gorillion moors i swear the numbers are real

>>478470

t. Alberto Barbosa

>>478415
Byzantines were so bad at war...

>>458022
>David
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