Were they the best warriors of their time?

Nah Swadians are way better.

They lacked a proper religion of war. Even if they had a God of War (I assume?), they couldn't match someone whose sole functional purpose is to act like a spiritual grey goo.

Did they have Ulfberht swords? Because they had the best steel for a while.

>>454117
> Not including the rebuttals
Poland pls

>>454071
> Swadians
> Not based Rhodoks and their board shields of doom

>>454049
>FEASTING INTENSIFIES

>>454124
>Rhodoks
my nigger

>>454124
your planks won't save you from the lance

>>454049
>Raiders with an aversion to facing actual armed defenders
>warriors
Pick one

>>454049
If you mean Vikings, those were pirates not warriors. Raiding villages killing and raping nuns, every common nigger can do that. If you need best warriors, in Europe they were on the frontiers between empires, which is reasonable since there was the actual constant warfare happening.

>>454123

? what's that to do with Poland? did the Poles beat them too?

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I'm sure that several vikings probably were stronger than the vast majority of fighters at that time. Great man theory.

>>454049
not really. they were just good at what they did which was raid. they generally wanted to avoid fighting since their only real goal was wealth

in cases where they actually tried to conqueror such as the great heathen army they got raped

>>454334
they weren'f fucking fighting anyone when they pillaged villages and monasteries because there were no soldiers to fight with it was a one sided slaughter ISIS style

>>454338
desu the Christians started it.

vikings had to sail across the north sea and risk their lives fighting saxons in order to rape and pillage

gangsters are basically allowed to live because liberal feelings are more important than cops' lives

>>454299
There is a butthurt polack who made a lot of anti-Viking threads some time ago, screencapped them, and posted the screencaps on /int/.

>>454338
vikings got into plenty of battles, as do ISIS

>>454350
propably because vikings were so shit Hedeby was burnt down by the Slavs and Saxo Grammaticus mentions a big slav raid on Denmark


which leads to another question - was there anyone who didn't destroy norsemen?

>>454360
and they lost vast majority of them

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>Let's bash farmers with boats because they're romanticized

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>>454049
>adolfs le viking meme
>sandnigger chimpout romance
>burgers and germans "we wuz gangsta and shieet"

no they weren't, for Europeans they were those times nignogs, considered scum and shit without honour and culture.

>>454380
they won enough to conquer vast swathes of land and found the rurikid dynasty

>>454350

why do you call him butthurt for that? Vikings WERE absolute shite.

>>454423
again this vikings conquered Russia meme

Russians ASKED Swedes to govern them there was no fucking bloodshed aside from few raids

>>454362
Charlemagne was among the most brutal and vicious people in European history, and his Christian expansion was a very real threat to the Norsemen. Viking raids was a way to earn a living while also fighting for democracy.

http://freya.theladyofthelabyrinth.com/?page_id=483

>>454452
what about vikings killing other vikings was that in the name of democracy too?

>>454467
>Skyrim
the worst part is there are people who seriously believe vikings were like Nords and I was a vikingboo as well when I played this game

now I see the truth and know Argonians are the best race

>>454467
>>454471
>>454470

You know what I'm reading? Abohoho, poor christians, killing thousands upon thousands of people after baptising them. Charlamenge and the Fransk where basically a viking-age ISIS and anyone fighting against them is a goddamn hero in my book. Rape and plunder was common back then so we can't judge them for it.

>>454350
>he goes to /int/

Go back there.

>>454490
you still didn't answer the question
what about vikings killing each other? How were christians even involved in it?

>>454497
> what about vikings killing each other? How were christians even involved in it?
There's nothing un-democratic about war.

>>454431
No, retard. The Varangians conquered Novgorod. The Novgorodians then rebelled and later invited them back. And after that Rurik's descendants conquered the rest of Russia.

>>454503
blood feud and raids are hardly a ''war'' things like someone knocking at your door just to thrust a spear in your gut over what happened years ago weren't uncommon and even norse sagas depict them

vikings were just spergs who were only good at cheap shots and even got destroyed by stone age native americans deal with it

>>454071
>>454124
Swadian Knights + Rhodok Sharpshooters + Nord Huscarls master race.

>>454521
That's why Charlemagne and "Saint" Olaf butchered people constantly and destroyed all the shrines if people who opposed. Christcuck faggotry at it's best

>>454505
Rurik's descendants were hardly Norsemen though, starting with Svyatoslav.

>>454552
>not 300 Khergit Horse Archers

>>454049
They weren't even good warriors.
They were bandits at best.

>>454509
But that's wrong. The Norse valued wisdom substantially more than brawn. There's a reason the head god of their pantheon was heavily associated with knowledge. Raiders were a small, small subset of their population, and would just as often take voyages for trade and exploration.

The main thing Christianity teaches is humility and the insignificance of your mortal life, since it promises eternal paradise in exchange for submission to its doctrines.

>>454616
Because they primarily exchanged their stories through oral tradition, which is something that every civilization goes through before eventually adopting widespread use of writing, even the Greeks, widely famed for their philosophy, started with a culture predominantly dominated by oral traditions. People weren't irrational savages before the widespread adoption of Christianity.

God fucking damn, what is it with Christian shitposters and shitting on everything that isn't Christian? You don't make your faith and its faithful look good this way, you mostly just look like a bunch of arrogant, sanctimonious pricks.

>>454628
>snowniggers hate reading

You do realize several prominent philosophers afterwards were Nordic, right?

>>454634
Create a response of your own.

>>454659
What I want you to realize is that the centralization and stabilization of their society was already under way by the time the Christians arrived. Further, advances in agriculture made it so raiding and colonization weren't required to sustain their populations.

To hear the shitposters of this board say it, everything good in Europe was a result of Christians. I bet you'd claim the pagan Greek and Roman philosophers were touched by Jesus and didn't fucking know it.

You preserved some books (and destroyed a bunch of others to record prayers and saint biographies), proliferated a widespread writing script, and provided a widespread organized religion. Meanwhile you persecuted pagans, desecrated their holy sites and mistreated their religious figures. You also declared crusades on heretics, burned and tortured other heretics, and started a few wars. Your presence in Europe had its positives, but you weren't the fucking eternal blessing of light, reason and morality you goddamn fucking cancerous shitposters like to portray it as.

>>454616
except for the Eddas and a few sagas, whatever lit they had was burned by the shiteating christfags as heresy, so we don't really know, do we?

Borges has an essay extolling the advanced nature of the surviving ancient nordic literature. i lent out my copy but i found this bit online

>The poems of the Elder Edda are gnomic, narrative, burlesque and tragic, discussing the affairs of gods and of heroes. Unlike the slow, laboured and elegiac Anglo-Saxons, the anonymous poets of the Edda move rapidly, at times to or past obscurity of meaning – and energetically. Desperation and anger are frequent, not melancholy.

he was Argentinian, btw, so no favoritism; he did love Anglo stuff, too, though.

https://asnoc.wordpress.com/2012/06/15/jorge-luis-borges-and-medieval-germanic-literatures/

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>>454659
the only difference between christianity and other religions was its enforced uniformity

>>454719
Eddas were written in 13th century, long after Christianization. Pagans didn't actually write shit.

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ITT

>>454049
They get wrecked by saranid horsemen and mamelukes

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fuck vikings desu

>>454049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYTRsEtqKps

>>454761
>The differences are quite obvious and history demonstrates more eloquently than I ever could which is superior.

Not Vikings

>>454124
>Rhodoks
literally the shittiest soldiers in the whole of Clradia are Rhodok spearmen


I'd honest to god take Vaegir footmen over them.

>>454761
I didn't say they were manipulated by a Disney villain, you fucking shitposting imbecile. They lived in a frozen goddamn shithole and raiding, with the resulting exploration and colonization was a byproduct of the necessities this created. It was already on its way out by the time they Christianized.

The Norse too valued wisdom and knowledge, they had an entire fucking class of people whose sole fucking job was to remember their history, mythology, and laws, and the chief god of their pantheon was, along with a god of warfare and madness, a god of wisdom and knowledge.

>>454768
They were a transcription of pagan oral traditions, you schmuck.

>>454584
>>454552
>>454124
>>454071
Hey, at least they are not Sarranids.
Weak fucks.

>>454049

>lose every battle
>DA BEST! VIKING STRONG!

>>455047
Khergit tribesmen yo

>>455298

>Mamelukes aren't dank as fuck

They're like cheaper knights that still preform in sieges.

>>455281
Oral tradition doesn't count as literature you fucking nigger.

>>454491
You do realize that /int/ was proto-/his/ for a good while right?

>>455919
>/int/
>anything but nationalist shitfests, juvenile banter and regional circlejerks
>ever

Even /pol/ is more /his/ than /int/

>>454289
rape and violence from a few hundred years ago doesn't seem like as big a deal, the romans killed millions to expand their empire and are always glorified

>>454569
>Well it's not like the Vikings were going to listen to reason.
They literary fucking did once Christianity adopted their pagan beliefs.

>>455972
Roman rape and violence was followed by the introduction of things like written language, education, running water, and amazing works of art and architecture. Vikings just looted, killed people, took slaves, and left until they decided they wanted to come back and do it again.

>>455924
/int/ is fine. I appreciate the somewhat serious nature of this board, but being immature, shitposting, and memes are the essence of 4chan. People who call boards shit because of those things forget where the fuck they are.

No. The best warriors of their time were the Mongols.

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>>454509
The Frank's Saxon Wars were close to literal genocide, and Normans in England fucked up Anglo culture and language to an extent that actually makes me upset on levels of autism I didn't know I possessed.

>>454790
Perfect

>>455727
at least they get horses

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>People ITT claiming Norsemen couldn't fight
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_Empire
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normans
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard
>inb4 not literal Vikings
Well no shit you compare raiders to armies and raiders fall short. When they went to war, the Norse performed about the norm for a Germanic nation.


Pic really just an excuse to post butt

>>456455
>Normans
had 50% french admixture by the time they conquered England, spoke french and were culturally french
nice try

>>454095
The Ulfberht was extremely rare.

>>457141
Was mostly located in Northern Europe, especially Norway

>>456455
>varangian guard
>a bunch of rus and algo-saxons
Try again.

>>457090
When they earned vassalage they were still very Norse, and Normans were francosized but weren't just any Frank/Romano-Gaul.

>>457721
>implying this isn't the truth

>>457721
>The Varangians or Varyags (Old Norse: Væringjar; Greek: Βάραγγοι, Βαριάγοι, Varangoi, Variagoi) was the name given by Greeks and East Slavs to Vikings,[1][2][3][4] who between the 9th and 11th centuries ruled the medieval state of Rus' and formed the Byzantine Varangian Guard.

>>455421
>>454380
>>454117
>le vikings lost erry battle meme
>lemme just go through the wikipedia list of battles with viking participants and link only the losses
>that'll show them

The vikings won about half the battles the fought, they were for the time, completely average fighters. Shit like the polish list of viking losses were generated by butthurt created by extensive scandiboo wank on /int/, which also laid the groundwork for Sweden Yes, nobody gave a shit about Sweden before this.

And yeah, the vikings acted like niggers, just like everyone else. It's not like the crusades were any less practices in advanced niggery, even the first crusade, especially the first crusade. When the Danes converted to christianity, raiding was just replaced crusading and the victims switched to Wends and other pagans rather than Christians. Funny little bit, when the Danes converted they became targets of raids themselves, but Danish bishops and such were the kind to ride out and meet raiders in battle.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMEcDk-Fzo

>>454347
Cops are a gang too just saying..
live by the gun die by the gun
Live be the sword die by the sword
Live in piece die in piece

>>455298
>not charging into battle with 200 mamelukes using only blunt weaponry and capturing/ransoming the entire enemy force

It's like you don't even want all of the denar

>>454347
Conquest is how civilizations grow. If you are going to critisize the vikings why not also critisize those 'mean' Euorpians for founding America.

>>457814
Vikings didn't really conquer as much as they settled places that were nicer than home. Why you don't really see major viking empires, they simply weren't that ambitious most of the time. The Danish conquest of England came after Æthelred or whatever his name was had listened to bad advice and went "remove bacon" on the Danish settlers. And before you scream Danes dindunuffin, this comes from British historians.

>>457721
rus were norse dumbass

>>457740
And the guard was made up purely of men sent by a rus prince originally, and ended up full of Saxons after the Norman conquest. It included norse, but it wasn't a norse unit.

>>457870
No, they weren't. The rulers were, some of the time.

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>>457792
shite music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVGUs9nQGaw

vikings should be killed while pissed and with the joy of a song like this

>>458336
>literally still butthurt after 1000 years

Toppest of keks

>>454289
>Destroying and Taking while preserving/building culture.
>Destroying and Taking while preserving nothing.

Clearly they are the same.

>>454431
that's why I said they founded the dynasty

>there was no fucking bloodshed
exactly, the rurikids were more like a competing brand name than conquering invaders

The Rurikids brought the viking military tradition and the idea that Novgorod and the surrounding area could become a powerful Kingdom itself.

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>>458324
>Norse did nothing! They're laughable!

>*evidence that Norsemen established great things and Norsemen accomplished feats*

>they weren't real Norsemen! They have nothing to do with Norsemen!

>>458415
estabilishing kingdoms is nice indeed but we are talking about their battle prowess since you know - they are dickrided for being gr8 warriors

and they weren't
they lost most battles

>>458421
They were perfectly average armies of the time (see Cnut, and their francisized offspring), and were top tier raiders.
Why give them shit?

>>458480
>top tier raiders

wow killing monks and farmers so badass
muh valhalla

>>458495
The goal was to strike soft targets for wealth. ALL peoples did this, and the Norse Vikings were especially good. What, do you want them to attack a Frankish stronghold and root through the soldiers pockets for spare change?

>>457721
In several of the laws in the 13th countries that now makes up Sweden, there was specifics about how people in Greece couldn't inherent.

Explicitly because the varangian guard.

>>454755
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygzh713TQn8

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>>454049
No OP, that would be the Normans.

>Win the First Crusade
>BTFO Saxons
>BTFO Saracens
>BTFO northern Italians from southern Italy
>Sire of all modern European royalty.

>>459181
>They were descended from Norse ("Norman" comes from "Norseman"[1]) raiders and pirates from Denmark, Iceland and Norway who, under their leader Rollo, agreed to swear fealty to King Charles III of West Francia.[2] Through generations of assimilation and mixing with the native Frankish and Roman-Gaulish populations, their descendants would gradually merge with the Carolingian-based cultures of West Francia.[3] The distinct cultural and ethnic identity of the Normans emerged initially in the first half of the 10th century, and it continued to evolve over the succeeding centuries.[4]
They were Frankicised Norsemen.

>>459365
Normans were not norsemen at all. They got assimilated by French culture within the first century. By the second all the children were french.

>>459181
>BTFO Saxons

More like

>invade England right as they un-cuck themselves from vikings for the last time
>almost not win the battle despite being rested and having better resources

>>459489
Really more like they uncučked (if you can call vassalage cuçkoldry) from Franks, as they made themselves separate as soon as they could. More like Norsemen being shekelmasters.

>>459459
>>Through generations of assimilation and mixing with the native Frankish and Roman-Gaulish populations, their descendants would gradually merge with the Carolingian-based cultures of West Francia.[3] The distinct cultural and ethnic identity of the Normans emerged initially in the first half of the 10th century, and it continued to evolve over the succeeding centuries.[4]

You people make this out to be a one-or-the-other situation

>>459489
>Ha ha, suck it Danes, Angland for Angles!

>Shit who are those French vikings.

>>459583
Hey, we still speak ænglisc so we stuck it out in the end

>>459607
Only because the Norman Nobility got sick and tired of having a language gap. It's easier to communicate if all the legal documents can actually be red by the filthy unwashed masses.

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>>459613
Unwashed Saxons FTW

>>459613
Shit was still written in Latin long after the Normans switched to English though

>>454289
/thread

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>>454117
>Guthrum
Alfred: I'll swear on this holy icon of Christ, and you swear on this holy icon of Odin, in order to bind this oath."
Guthrum: OK, I'll just pay lip service because I'm a filthy Pagan who lacks any sense of honour. Also I have an entire army coming from the south by ship.
God: I'll just send a massive storm to destroy this entire armada.
Alfred: Thanks God!
God: Any time, buddy.

>>454117
Also there's the time that Æðelflæd came marching up to some viking siege on the border of Mercia, and once they heard she (lol, scared of a 40 year old woman) was coming half of them dropped their swords in fear and swore allegiance to her and begged for mercy, while the other half fled in to the forest.

She then destroyed the entire forest killing every one of the heathens in there.

>>460769
Yet he paid the vikings to leave.

>>459459

By this logic, franks and normans were actually gallo-romans because they ended up speaking the local dialect of latin vulgate

>>459613
>It's easier to communicate if all the legal documents can actually be red by the filthy unwashed masses.

Why? the filthy unwashed masses can't even read in their own language.

>>458363
Viking raiders preserved/built nothing
or do you think all northern Europeans share a mind meld

>>461540
He probably thinks Beiwulf (a certainly written down by a Christian, likely a monk), as well as other Anglo-Saxon writings represent the actions of Vikings, despite the Anglo-Saxons allying with Christian Europe.

>>457730
>When they earned vassalage

By losing

>>459613
unwashed masses couldn't read to begin with you downie

>>458363
viking didn't preserve anything you retarded scandinavian faggot

Rhodoks > nords > swadians > asian shitters

West master race.

>>461945
Nords higher than Swadians? Tell me exactly how can they even stand a chance against knights with their shit tier archers Rhodoks I can understand because their crossbowmen are god tier but Nords are shit.
Just like real vikings were.

>>454505
no you idiot they weren't conquerors

>>457790
http://www.angelfire.com/mb2/battle_hastings_1066/saxonbattles.html


half my ass

>>454478
ayyy lmao Argonian master race

>>458363
so we agree that vikings are worse.

vikings were meme tier