Timur

>you will never be a ching chong chang

Feels good.

>>440809
>implying he wasn't turkish

>>440805
his descendents in the Mughal line ended up being massive disappointments
>Defeated by small band of Sikhs
>Can't even hold on to entire India for more than a few 400 years
>btfo by British

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>>440805
>sword of Islam
the fucking traitor attacked the Ottomans and sacked Damascus.

>>440813
*turkic

>>443228
To be fair with him, Bayezid was writing letters full of shitposting to Timur.

>>440805
>he never conquered Ming to restore based Yuan

Literally the only good/cool thing he could have ever done and he died before even starting.

He was a barbarian with a low IQ, that thought that he could use Islam to kill others - especially other Muslims.

Nominally Muslim, actually a Turk/Mongol supremacist.

>>443284
>actually a Turk/Mongol supremacist
implying nationalism existed back then

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>>443274
>Literally the only good/cool thing he could have ever done and he died before even starting.
>Ming
Yeah...no.

Ming Dynasty was just recently founded and ruled by Emperor Hongwu. Who was a military genius himself. So was his son, Yongle, who invaded and conquered inner mongolia.

You're talking of the guys who ended the Mongs in China and chased them to their land and ended them there too.

Also
>Yuan
>Based
Imperial Dynasties younger than the average 200 year mark of a successful Chinese dynasty can't be labelled as "based."

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>>440805
At least I was born in a world with decent toilets and able to be part of the biggest hurdle humanity have faced yet (global warming).

>>440805
>>You will never become a respected General in the mongol army
He was not
>>You will never overthrow the Khan to create your own Empire
He did not
>>You will never marry a qt3.14 princess descended from Genghis Khan to legitimize your rule
Only to kill her b/c some architect kissed her hand. He also put the architect to death. Became bitter as fuck everafter
>>You will never be so feared that you're called the "sword of islam"
I prefer "Father of Victory"
>>You will never conquer entire countries to create an Empire
Not an empire, more like atribal federation, Timur had to reconquer his "empire" again and again
>>You will never make your lands rich under your rule
His land s were poor as fuck, the rich "lands" like Baghdad, he conquered like 3 times and by the ned of it, it was just a small town. He did make Samarkand a glorious city though, as well as Bukhara
>>You will never almost destroy an entire branch of christianity
Source?
>>You will never kill a significant percent of the world's population
He did not

>>443289
>what is tribalism
>what is ethnicity
Him and his racial brethren slaughtered countless non-Turkic Muslims.

>>440805
>You will never have Babur as a descendant who will go on to establish the Mughal dynasty

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>>443338
Timur's thing is non-nationalist, non-ethnic, non-tribal at all. Religious probably.

Timur's army consisted of Turkics, Mongols, Turcomongols, Persians, Arabs, Kurds, and whatnot. His empire was an empire of HIM & HIS DYNASTY. It wasnt like the Mongols who established "A Mongol" empire, it was him creating a "Timurid" one.

>>443223
A single dynasty ruling more than 300 years is a achievement.
Must dynasties either got killed or were usurped

>>443366
Most*

>>443366
>Hindus still exist
It's like they didn't even bother converting them.

>>443370

Why would they?


Taxation >>> Conversion

>>443370
And risk all around civil war?

>>440805
>You will never make your lands rich under your rule

Timur just sacked cities and hoarded riches in Samarkand. He didn't give a flying fuck about administrating the lands he conquered. Hell he killed shit tons of persians stagnating the place for centuries.

On a more positive note he killed more muslims than any other person in history ever. And this despite being a muslim himself.

>>443383
>>443370
This, Hindus paid Jizya.
Not to mention Mughs and Muslims were a minority.

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>>440805
Hello from Ivanhoe VI to cousin Timur,
Hope, we could play with some girls of glamor.

>>443310
A Ming-Timur war would've massive in scope. So much bloodshed and manuveuring.

>>443370
That sweet Jizya money m8, Umayyads did the same too.

>>440805
His name isn't Timur. Stupid arabo-acems can't read Turkic words

>>443554
Technically they weren't supposed to. Jiziya is supposed to only apply to people of the book.