Are there any instances of American soldiers knowingly and willingly

Self bump. Can't find anything about it personally, but found quite a bit about most countries during WW2 having some form of it happening.

>>436500

Yeah, us americans aren't known for our rabid patriotism.

You dumb fucking retard.

>>436500
Okay sooooo what you're saying is that there are no examples of American suicide attacks?

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>>436439
>>436483
>>436522
Probably their tank division desu senpai

>>436500
This guys is almost 100% right and that is what makes us great. The part you got wrong was that we won't last in a crisis. If our entire reason of banding together is money, what's going to happen when someone fucks with all of our money? Shit's boiling man.

4 Shermans etc

>>436439
Don't know about that but you had cases of soldiers jumping on grenade to save their comrades and shit like that.
Americans were generally rarely in such position that warrants suicide attacks though.

>>436500
See the American Civil War.

>>436439

Does Florent Groberg count?

He tackled a suicide bomber in Afghanistan right before the vest went off and then basically took a full blast (amazingly he survived).

That has to qualify as a suicidal attack.

Or are you looking for someone that actually died taking out or attempting to take an enemy out with him?

>>436500
>funny enough if they ever experienced a major crisis which every european nation has at least 10 of in their history,
America has existed for 200 years. The roots of most of the European countries go back 2,000. Also, we had a fucking civil war where half the country decided to try to leave.

You are a special kind of stupid.

>>436439
outside of the civil war (which didn't have explosives or anything to warrant that behavior) there was never an intense enough and uncivilized war to make those positions common
of course there have to be a couple instances though

>>436439
>Are there any instances of American soldiers knowingly and willingly engaging in suicidal attacks against an enemy?
>I mean "I'm going to strap a bomb to myself and run at that German tank over there"

We tend to try to avoid these situations, unlike the Soviets who saw it as a matter of course, or the Japanese who were indoctrinated into it.
Good luck finding this in *any* western military.

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>they know there's no japs on the island
>high command still wants some deaths to keep the folks back home rooting for OUR BOYS

welp

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>>436439
Battle of New Orleans.

Andrew Jackson with an army of ragtag militia and pirates on a dirt mound went up against a larger, technologically superior, and more disciplined British army supported by cannons

[spoiler]Jackson wins[/spoiler]

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>>436483
>>436439
Delta operators Gary Gordon and Randy Shughart. They're the two helicopter snipers who request to be put down at Mike Durant's helicopter crash in the film Blackhawk Down.

If you haven't seen the movie, a US helicopter is shot down in Mogadishu during Operation Gothic Serpent and Mike Durant, one of the pilots survived. Enemy militia moved to capture him, and after requesting three times to be allowed to land there to defend him they were finally cleared to do it. They were told the Army could not promise their rescue because of the situation. They volunteered anyway, and defended him until they ran out of ammo and were killed. 50 dead militia were found around the crash site and Mike Durant lived.

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>>436439
There was that one B-26 that almost kamikaze'd into the Akagi's bridge during the Battle of Midway. Seeing an American plane displaying that kind of courage is part of why Nagumo decided to rearm his naval strike planes to hit Midway again; motherfucker got rattled.

>>436500
>if they ever experienced a major crisis

What was the American Civil War and the Revolution for 500.

>>436500
>major crisis
>great depression
>civil war
>revolution

>>436439
Yes, people have thrown themselves on grenades, or manned MGS positions solo to buy time for their unit to survive and escape, despite these actions being suicidal.

Audie murphy in particular should have died.

One DENTIST held the line against attacking japs with an MG while his patients and staff fled, and was found with close to 30 dead japs and a dozen wounds on his body.

Look up MoH citations. They're usually given to people who engage in what would be considered suicidal actions.

>>436500
Basically this, except during crisis, we unite like motherfuckers, because we are brainwashed from childhood that we are to die holding a flag in our hand, or something symbolic like that.

Not that it's bad, brainwashing is a perfectly fine tactic in a decent society. It's just when people use it to preach communism and marxism that it's bad.

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There were some pretty crazy Americans in WW1

>As his Marines were being shredded by enemy machine gun fire, Daly urged them to leave their cover and counterattack by supposedly screaming the famous words, “Come on, you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever?!”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Daly

>>436944
Retard even if b8

Not exactly a suicidal attack, but here's a suicidal defense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Bastogne

>>436929
>They're usually given to people who engage in what would be considered suicidal actions.
Well, in a fair number of cases the actions are suicidal, since the MoH is often given out posthumously.

Although, a lot of the time it's soldiers who stayed manning their positions at a time when many other soldiers would have gone off "to look report to sarge" or something in order to save their ass.

>>436998
Fuck yeah, Belleau Wood is packed full of ball-swinging Marine shit.

At 17:00 on 6 June, the 3rd Battalion 5th Marines (3/5)—commanded by Major Benjamin S. Berry, and the 3rd Battalion 6th Marines (3/6)—commanded by Major Tyler M. Meyer, on their right—advanced from the west into Belleau Wood as part of the second phase of the Allied offensive. Again, the Marines had to advance through a waist-high wheat field into deadly machine gun fire. One of the most famous quotations in Marine Corps history came during the initial step-off for the battle when Gunnery Sergeant Dan Daly, a recipient of two Medals of Honor who had served in the Philippines, Santo Domingo, Haiti, Peking and Vera Cruz, prompted his men of the 73rd Machine Gun Company forward with the words: "Come on, you sons of bitches, do you want to live forever?"[3](pp99–100)

The first waves of Marines—advancing in well-disciplined lines—were slaughtered; Major Berry was wounded in the forearm during the advance. On his right, the Marines of Major Meyer's 3/6 Battalion swept into the southern end of Belleau Wood and encountered heavy machine gun fire, sharpshooters and barbed wire. Marines and German infantrymen were soon engaged in heavy hand-to-hand fighting. The casualties sustained on this day were the highest in Marine corps history up to that time.[6] Some 31 officers and 1,056 men of the Marine brigade were casualties. However, the Marines now had a foothold in Belleau Wood.[3](p1

There may have been instances of a last man after his platoon was wiped out strapping grenades to himself to take out as many enemies as he could as it was either be killed or captured, but I doubt there has ever been a time in U.S. military history where someone was ordered to go alone into the enemy for the express purpose of dying that wasn't in some way related to saving the rest of his troops or delaying the enemy or something along those lines, and even then I doubt that command was ever ordered.

>>437172
>Although, a lot of the time it's soldiers who stayed manning their positions at a time when many other soldiers would have gone off "to look report to sarge" or something in order to save their ass.

No. It's specifically given for going above and beyond, which means you are NOT expected to be staying by that point. As in you've likely been ordered to leave, and if you haven't been, it's probably acceptable anyway.

>Battle of Gettysburg (July 2, 1863) After running out of ammunition, Col. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain ordered the 20th Maine to fix bayonets and charge down the hill at the 15th Alabama. Shocked by the movement, the Confederates ran down the hill. After the charge, the 20th Maine had captured most of the 15th Alabama. 262 soldiers of the 1st Minnesota Volunteer Infantry regiment charged a Confederate infantry unit in order to gain five minutes of time for the army of the Potomac. During the charge the regiment suffered 82 percent casualties. After the charge only 40 men were left, making it the worst single loss of any unit in the American Civil War.

>>436807
Those casualties were due to mostly friendly fire and alot of confusion with some leftover landmines and terrible weather and geographic hazards.

>>437195
There was an instance during World War Two where a soldier was able to simulate fire from a platoon of soldiers long enough to deter a Japanese advance (whilst wounded, iirc), though he wasn't ordered to do it, as he was the last man standing in his platoon. Got a Medal of Honor for it, but I can't recall the name.

>>437209
I believe it, but risking your own life to save others isn't suicide in the context of OP's question.

Audie Murphy

>Murphy received the Distinguished Service Cross[47][48] for action taken on 15 August 1944, during the first wave of the Allied invasion of southern France.[49] After landing on Yellow Beach near Ramatuelle,[50] Murphy's platoon was attacked by German soldiers while making their way through a vineyard. He retrieved a machine gun that had been detached from the squad and returned fire at the German soldiers, killing two and wounding one.[50] Two Germans exited a house about 100 yards (91 m) away and appeared to surrender; when Murphy's best friend responded, they shot and killed him. Murphy advanced alone on the house under direct fire. He killed six, wounded two, and took eleven prisoner.[50]

>The Germans scored a direct hit on an M10 tank destroyer, setting it alight, forcing the crew to abandon it.[66] Murphy ordered his men to retreat to positions in the woods, remaining alone at his post, shooting his M1 carbine and directing artillery fire via his field telephone while the Germans aimed fire directly at his position.[67] Murphy mounted the abandoned, burning tank destroyer and began firing its .50 caliber machine gun at the advancing Germans, killing a squad crawling through a ditch towards him.[68] For an hour, Murphy stood on the tank destroyer returning German fire from foot soldiers and advancing tanks, killing or wounding 50 Germans. He sustained a leg wound during his stand, and stopped only after he ran out of ammunition.[66] Murphy rejoined his men, disregarding his own wound, and led them back to repel the Germans. He insisted on remaining with his men while his wounds were treated.[66]

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>>436500

Maybe Pickett's Charge?

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>"...Theo? Heinrich here. Have just shot down two bombers. No more ammunition. I'm going to ram. Auf Wiedersehen, see you in Valhalla..."

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Listen here you europoor fuck.

This whole goddamn country was founded in a suicidal effort. It was forged in a war where a bunch of dipshit, backwards colonials, led by some lofty idealists and failed colonial militia officers took on the greatest empire on earth. We got the shit kicked out of us left and right, we only won a dozen major engagements over the course of the whole fucking thing.

But we kept on fighting.

And then the French finally came along to help cause fuck England.

And we fucking won.

So go fuck yourself, freedom isn't free. I ate a fucking triple baconator today and I own a whole stack of guns. Suck my fucking dick.

Here's your reply.

>>437316

"aka "T-Thanks France for the troops, gunpowder, ships and sparing enough attention to us hicks."

>>437322
And we became the biggest fucking super power of... Today.

>>436500
>latinos and blacks getting along
They hate each other more than any other two groups in America. This is why you shouldn't talk shit on a country you've never lived in.
>>>/int/

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>>437322
Yeah. It was suicidal. We were saved by France. That's my point. I was answering OP.

>>436640
>>436777

These are "If I don't do this, someone will die anyway" type things. I'm talking about "There is a tank over there, I am going to kill myself and it at the same time" type things

>>436808
Literally read my post I said I wasn't asking for any of that type of shit.

>>436821
Okay but what I was asking for was scenarios where a soldier was knowingly going to die with 0% chance of survival and that their deaths would directly kill the enemy.

These are a bunch of dudes that, had the enemy fled, they would have survived. There was not a complete certainty of their deaths.

>>436929
Audie Murphy survived because the enemy fled. In any of those situations, the enemy might have just walked away. I'm asking for situations where the American kills himself purposefully in an attempt to kill the enemy.

In the grenade situation, it is either I die or my buddy dies, not I blow myself up and take the enemy with me. The key words are SUICIDE ATTACK.

>>437287
OP here again. This is the closest thing I can think of to any sort of "suicide attack" that anyone has suggested in here.

>>437316
OP here. Fuck are you talking about? I'm an American. Just never heard of us doing a suicide attack.

>>>/pol/

>>437438
/pol/ is a bit harsh, send the silly bastard to >>>/int/ instead.

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>>437411
m8 I'm just going to have to assume you're a fucking retard.

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>>436788

Only in fringe cases. No direct orders.

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>>437438
>>437482
Naw. That's a /k/ommando.

We can smell our own.

>>437614
It is the gunlube santorum isn't it?

>>437316
>I don't mean like "Oh boy, this is going to be a tough one, we may not make it out alive" type attacks.

>>436522
Yeah but we tend to do it to ourselves when you think about it

>>437163
>Suicidal defense
It's now thought that there were more American soldiers inside Bastogne than there were Germans surrounding it.

The Germans were the ballsy ones, asking for a surrender and shit.

>>436500
spoken like a true europoor/australian

>>436616
that meme needs to die

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNjp_4jY8pY&index=24&list=FLk0MpljbrQnPMt_rjMZGd6w

>>437513
Assume away. How many times has someone gone into a combat situation and someone has been like "omg you're def gonna die" and they live through it?

Doesn't matter. The example the person gave wasn't what I was asking for. I asked for an example of a suicide attack, not a ballsy defense.

>>436500
>burgers fight for money, they have no actual nation

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

NO, motherfucker, we don't fight for "money", or nation, or any of the bullshit you dumb fucks think we do because you watched a movie or read a book and think you know anything about the military.

We fight for each other.

Always been that way.

Always will.

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>>436439
>>436439

This thread is clearly just a front for some faggot from Dabiq to write a new article about the west, huh
go fuck yrself, Osama

>>437694
>It's now thought
Source?

I remember some black dude calling in an airstrike on his position as the enemy were overrunning it

War is pretty shit

>>437805
This.

This is the type of shit I'm talking about.

Sources?

>>437770
Literally die please.

>>436439
There are some suicidal attacks from the Japanese massacres of POWs during 1944-45. If it wasn't for suicidal action, nobody would have escaped and MacArthur wouldn't have sent the Rangers to free the men at Cabanatuan

>>437817
Sources?

>>436786
If the confederates count, then i'd say pickets charge

>>437805
>>437810
Look into the phrase "Broken Arrow"
I believe that used to be, and may still be, the code phrase for having a shitload of ordnance dropped on the caller's own position.

Torpedo 8 in the Battle Of Midway....

"The next day, June 4, the 15 Douglas TBD-1 Devastators of VT-8 launched from Hornet's flight deck in search of the enemy. Before takeoff, LCDR Waldron had a dispute with the Hornet's Commander, Air Group, Stanhope C. Ring, and Hornet CO Marc Mitscher about where the Japanese carriers would be found. Despite having a contact report showing the Japanese southwest of Hornet, Mitscher and Ring ordered the flight to take a course due west, in the hopes of spotting a possible trailing group of carriers. Waldron argued for a course based on the contact report, but was overruled. Once in the air, Waldron attempted to take control of the Hornet strike group by radio. Failing that, he soon split his squadron off and led his unit directly to the Japanese carrier group. Waldron, leading the first carrier planes to approach the Japanese carriers (somewhat after 9:00AM local time, over an hour before the American dive bombers would arrive), was grimly aware of the lack of fighter protection, but true to his plan of attack committed Torpedo 8 to battle. Without fighter escort, underpowered, with limited defensive armament, and forced by the unreliability of their own torpedoes to fly low and slow directly at their targets, the Hornet torpedo planes received the undivided attention of the enemy's combat air patrol of Mitsubishi Zero fighters. All 15 planes were shot down. Of the 30 men who set out that morning, only one—Ensign George H. Gay, Jr., USNR—survived."

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Americans are NOT Dhurka Dhurka's and we're not Banzai charging nitwits. Americans are actively discouraged from doing shit like pulling the pin on a grenade to go charge the enemy.

Why? Because it takes a lot of time and money to train a decent soldier, and because discipline and order make us stronger than individual suicidal maniacs.

The suicide attacker is a go-to resource for the poorly trained, anyway. Anyone can hold a bomb and run at the enemy. It takes a lot of time and effort to train a proper soldier. This is part of the reason why Banzai attacks in WWII happened in the first place. America whittled down the numbers of skilled Japanese pilots in continued fighting. To make up for the loss of skill they just had the pilots train enough to crash into American ships.

Americans have fought many last stands in history bravely fighting against hopeless odds. We do so as disciplined soldiers, however. Suicide bombers are the unit of choice for people that can't put out disciplined soldiers and would get their asses kicked in a straight fight. We Americans might be arrogant dicks but we LOVE a straight fight where we can bring our overwhelming firepower to bear.

>>436500
1st Minnesota Volunteer Infantry

"The men of the 1st Minnesota are most remembered for their actions on July 2, 1863, during the second day's fighting at Gettysburg, where the regiment prevented the Confederates from pushing the Federals off of Cemetery Ridge, a position that was to prove crucial in the battle.
Maj. Gen. Winfield S. Hancock, commander of II Corps, ordered the regiment to assault a much larger enemy force (a brigade commanded by Brig. Gen. Cadmus M. Wilcox), telling Col. William Colvill to take the enemy's colors. The fateful charge bought the time needed for other forces to be brought up. During the charge, 215 members of the 262 men who were present at the time became casualties in five minutes, including the regimental commander, Col. William Colvill, and all but three of his captains.
The unit's flag fell five times and was raised again each time. The 47 survivors rallied back to General Hancock under the senior surviving officer, Captain Nathan S. Messick. The 82% casualty rate stands to this day as the largest loss by any surviving military unit in U.S. history during a single day's engagement."

Hello, defense of the embassy at Benghazi?

>>436956
>>437715
>australian
lolwut

>>436439
>Are there any instances of American soldiers knowingly and willingly engaging in suicidal attacks against an enemy?

ISIS lmao

inb4 durr dey ay-rabs!

Arab-Americans are Americans

>>437955
Broken Arrow was just the code for that battle should fire support be needed on or close to the operators position
It's not the catch all term for fire support on commands position, and it's official meaning is a faulty nuclear weapon

>>436439
Roger young

>>437218
>>The Germans scored a direct hit on an M10 tank destroyer, setting it alight, forcing the crew to abandon it.[66] Murphy ordered his men to retreat to positions in the woods, remaining alone at his post, shooting his M1 carbine and directing artillery fire via his field telephone while the Germans aimed fire directly at his position.[67] Murphy mounted the abandoned, burning tank destroyer and began firing its .50 caliber machine gun at the advancing Germans, killing a squad crawling through a ditch towards him.[68] For an hour, Murphy stood on the tank destroyer returning German fire from foot soldiers and advancing tanks, killing or wounding 50 Germans. He sustained a leg wound during his stand, and stopped only after he ran out of ammunition.[66] Murphy rejoined his men, disregarding his own wound, and led them back to repel the Germans. He insisted on remaining with his men while his wounds were treated.[66]

Was that scene in the movie Fury based on that? Because that event sounds so familiar.

>>436439
You could have at least used a real photograph of soldiers instead of 2 dolls from: http://marwencol.com/artwork/#art-sales

>>439333
Yes.

>>437416
I believe Audie Murphy's story but there's gotta be something left out like the range of the attack, or another variable. Even with a .50 he's gonna be very vulnerable to enemy fire standing on a tank like that. Most likely less than 150 in the ammo can. That's gonna go fast, and being unfamiliar with the tank you're gonna take time to reload.

>>437716
Only 2 Tigers destroyed in the western theater. I wonder what the rate of Tiger IIs were. But the Sherman is more than adequate. to fight the armored cards, Stugs, and the panzer 2-4 series. I wonder what the kill rates with the field guns were though?

>>437805
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Fox

Got the medal of honor for calling an artillery strike as his position was about to be overrun. This allowed a counter attack which secured the area.

>>437316
I bet you were hoping for a lot of "BTFO" posts or more eagle pictures but everyone who knows anything about anything knows that what you just typed is nonsense. America a shit. Nice food though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Gunther
>last soldier to be killed during ww1
>The Armistice with Germany was signed by 5:00 a.m., local time, but it would only come into force at 11:00 a.m. Gunther's squad approached a roadblock of two German machine guns in the village of Chaumont-devant-Damvillers near Meuse, in Lorraine. Gunther got up, against the orders of his close friend and now sergeant, Ernest Powell, and charged with his bayonet.
>The German soldiers, already aware of the Armistice that would take effect in one minute, tried to wave Gunther off. He kept going and fired "a shot or two". When he got too close to the machine guns, he was shot in a short burst of automatic fire and killed instantly.

>>438089
So...nothing was accomplished. It was suicidal and also completely in vain.

>>439667
Not in vain apparently:

"Their sacrifice, however, had not been in vain. Torpedo 8 had drawn down the fighter cover over the Japanese carriers, and also forced the carriers to maneuver radically, delaying the aircraft relaunching to which the Japanese were committed. After further separate attacks by the remaining two torpedo squadrons over the next hour, Japanese fighter cover and air defense coordination had become focused on low-altitude defense. This left the Japanese carriers exposed to the late-arriving SBD Dauntless dive bombers from Yorktown and Enterprise, which attacked from high altitude. The dive bombers fatally damaged three of the four Japanese carriers, changing the course of the battle."

>>439681
And the course of the entire war. The loss of those carriers at Midway most certainly spelled the end of Japan's naval war.

>>436582
>superior german tanks myth

As established in previous threads, German tanks had shitloads of mechanical issues. They look great on paper, but put them in the field and the Sherman's are at least equal, if not better.
inb4
>Sherman's were death traps! (This is false)
>but muh glorious tiger tanks! (barely ever made it to the field, broke down all the time, barely did better than the shit panzers)

As far as actual US suicide attacks, I've got squat. Why suicide attack when you're going to win almost every battle anyway?

>>436641
This. Pickett's charge was the ultimate suicide attack.

>>439695
>but muh glorious tiger tanks! (barely ever made it to the field, broke down all the time, barely did better than the shit panzers)
I'm stupid, please rape my face

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>>436439
>Are there any instances of American soldiers knowingly and willingly engaging in suicidal attacks against an enemy?
RIP hero

You single-handedly made the FBI clean itself up

That american during the Korean War who ran from hole to hole calling artillery upon himself like 10 times

>>439526
kill rates of field guns against american armor were higher than all German tanks put together, we had a 2:1 kill rate against panthers for fuck sake, this
>hurr american armor was shit in WWII
meme needs to fucking die already

>>436582
see
>>437716

>>439689
>certainly spelled the end of Japan's naval war
It was the meatgrinder Guadalcanal campaign that really put a hurting on Japanese naval air.

The final nail in the coffin was the Battle of the Philippine Sea.

>>436847

Well that's pretty fucking cool.

>>439808
>we

Like you scored the winning shot. Pathetic, really.

>>440093
jesus christ you fucking retard, i'm saying "we" as in the United states
fucking kill yourself if you couldn't understand that, and fuck you for thinking i'm trying to take credit rather than make a statement

>>440103
Cosigning this.

>>439689
"The most significant losses for the Japanese Navy, however, were in aircrew. The U.S. lost 81 aircraft along with 26 pilots and aircrew members in the battle.The Japanese, on the other hand, lost 99 aircraft and 148 pilots and aircrew members including two dive bomber group leaders, three torpedo squadron leaders, and 18 other section or flight leaders. Forty-nine percent of the Japanese torpedo bomber aircrews involved in the battle were killed along with 39% of the dive bomber crews and 20% of the fighter pilots.The Japanese lost more aircrew at Santa Cruz than they had lost in each of the three previous carrier battles at Coral Sea (90), Midway (110), and Eastern Solomons (61). By the end of the Santa Cruz battle, at least 409 of the 765 elite Japanese carrier aviators who had participated in the Attack on Pearl Harbor were dead"

>>440258
>By the end of the Santa Cruz battle, at least 409 of the 765 elite Japanese carrier aviators who had participated in the Attack on Pearl Harbor were dead

jesus christ that mortality rate

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>>441159
Some historians say that's a major reason why the Japs lost the war. They kept losing their skilled pilots and didn't have time to train good ones. By the end of the war, they basically taught young zealots how to get in the air and aim the plane at something big. Gave em a sword, an ideology and let them Kamikaze.

>>441303
Also in a few documentaries it says that at Midway they lost their best carrier deck people and while they still had other carriers, planes and pilots, the support personnel to arm/repair them were never as good.

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>>436807
>expecting dudes named Kinkaid and Kirby not to be goofy motherfuckers and screw up

>>441159
Think about this....It's late October 1942. It hasn't been a full year of war yet!

The Guadalcanal campaign as well as further actions in the Solomons severely damaged Japanese naval aviation so it was time to pull back and recover.

Here's what happened in the Battle of the Philippine Sea..


"The four Japanese air strikes involved 373 carrier aircraft, of which 130 returned to the carriers. Many of these survivors were subsequently lost when the carriers Taiho and Shōkaku were sunk by submarine attacks on the first day of the battle. After the second day of the battle, losses totaled three carriers, more than 433 carrier aircraft, and around 200 land-based aircraft.
These losses to the already outnumbered Japanese fleet air arm were irreplaceable. The Japanese had spent the better part of a year reconstituting their carrier air groups, and the Americans' Fast Carrier Task Force had destroyed 90% of it in two days. The Japanese only had enough pilots left to form the air group for one of their light carriers. As a consequence, during the Battle of Leyte Gulf, which took place a few months later, their carriers were used solely as decoys."

>>439808
>this >hurr american armor was shit in WWII meme needs to fucking die already
Absolutely, but it's pretty much being/has been killed out on the internet.
Also, so long as the
>hurr the Panther was actually a really bad tank because mechanical reliability was totally the primary factor hampering German tanks in combat
meme dies with it.
Operational Panthers were undeniably formidable.
Lack of fuel and manpower were bigger issues than breakdowns, of which every major tank of WW2 suffered from, but it happens that the Panther had several particular component issues stifling its range, yet in combat it was still very powerful and well-defended.

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>>436439
Yeah, this guy.

>>441479
well i never said the panther was a bad tank, quite the contrary, it was a fantastic tank, but the Sherman's still performed better against it, mainly because we sent Sherman's in a platoon, unlike the Germans
as the guy in the video said
>why did the US send 5 tanks against every one German tank?
>why wouldn't you?
we had the numbers, the supplies and the technology, not to mention mechanical issues with the tank were practically non-existent, unlike the panther which DID suffer from mechanical issues, but was still a really good tank, despite it. It had strong armor, a very long ranged and powerful gun, and was spacious for the crew inside (which is more important than people think)

>>441457
>Think about this....It's late October 1942. It hasn't been a full year of war yet!
I find very few people realize just how unsuccessful Japan had been / how quickly the US countered / how soon the war turned / combination of the above - in the Pacific.

>>439664
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Gunther
What kind of legacy you want senpai?

>>443314
hey, at least he got a wikipedia page
what do we have?

>>443246
The biggest problem with the panthers was the usage of concentration camp "volunteer" labor. Sabotage was rampant and one of the main causes of the tank's miserable operational readiness record. The post-war French trials without broken parts ran for weeks and had an engine life expectancy averaging 1000 miles.

On topic, does Hamburger Hill or much of the Pacific and Korean campaigns count?

>>443292
Yes, very few people realize that within a year of the attack on Peal Harbor the US had won two strategic victories and began a counter offensive against Japan.

Went from the being caught flatfooted to beginning to grind the enemy in about 10 months.

>>444634
You could have the best workers on the planet but the design of the Panther was very flawed for a military vehicle. It never overcame it's problems from the moment it was introduced until the end of the war.

>>439333
Maybe you've seen To Hell and Back?
It's the movie of Audies life starring himself

>>436439
>As the men of the 442nd went deeper and deeper they became more hesitant, until reaching the point where they would not move from behind a tree or come out of a foxhole. However, this all changed in an instant. The men of Companies I and K of 3rd Battalion had their backs against the wall, but as each one saw another rise to attack, then another also rose. Then every Nisei charged the Germans screaming, and many screaming "Banzai!"[12]:83 Through gunfire, artillery shells, and fragments from trees, and Nisei going down one after another, they charged.

I remember watching an interview of former 442nd members where they said they did another banzai charge when they heard FDR died but I can't find the source.

>>444634
>The biggest problem with the panthers was the usage of concentration camp "volunteer" labor
Sabotage didn't make the designers re-use the same goddamn transmission they'd designed for much lighter tanks a half decade earlier.
Final drive a shit

>>436439
Ploesti

>>436439
If I recall correctly there were allied resistance members who would literally try to sneak up to german tanks and plant bombs on them, they were mostly youngers, and most of them were killed in the process I guess you could call that a suicide mission.

>>444736
442nd were the most based motherfucking Americans of the war
>all Japanese Americans
>all joined to prove that Japanese Americans were not the enemy
>all wanted to prove their worth
>over 14,000 fucking medals awarded to this one battalion

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yes

>>445455
;_;7
he better have gotten a distinguished service cross for that at fucking least

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Have there were suicidal attacks in american in most countries, you will find instances instances.
Even in American history such as jumping on a grande.
And this needs you be argued why? :^)

>>445521
Please learn English before posting.

>>444818
sticky bombs?

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>>437195
closest thing I can think of to an order was the 1st Minnesota at Gettysburg.

>>445991
>87% casualty rate
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>445521
Holy shit learn to speak English.

Also jumping on a grenade is done to save lives, it's not in any way an "attack" let alone a suicide attack. It's done to smother the blast to save the other people in your squad.

ITT: Nothing pleases OP

>>446051
In five minutes!

>>436998
ALL of the Marine battalion stories in WWI were nuts. I don't know what was in the Corps' canteens, but Belleau Wood was nuts by any standard.

>>437287
The Union version of this, 69th New York (Irish Regiment) at Fredericksburg. The line even melted the same way.

Props to you damn Rebs for cheering the boys what were left after the charge.

>>446298
man the civil war was pointless
we were brothers slaughtering each other

>>436439
Of course, not. Americans never fight in the defensive wars so the self-sacrifice is not required

>>437728
I really don't think you understand what the purpose of Special Forces is. They knew they and the pilot were 99% going to die, and so did Command. It was mere luck that the pilot survived.

I really don't think anyone would be that big of an asshole to tell someone sacrificing their life for someone that "they're going to die". Much less SOF who are trained and sent to situations like this on a regular basis

>>437513
are these PTRs?

>>439518
there's also the shock factor of a crazy fucker STANDING ON A TANK with an MG that is decidedly not man-portable, screaming at you and firing. I guess Murphy had it in for the Axis that day

>>438113
ironically enough the japs lost quite a few trained pilots to kamikaze attacks. then they didn't have anyone who could run CAPs or bombing runs, so just continued kamikaze attacks with whatever university students and conscientious objectors they had lying around

>>439664
"Gunther's remains were returned to the United States in 1923 after being exhumed from a military cemetery in France, and buried at the Most Holy Redeemer Cemetery in Baltimore.[2][5] Subsequent investigations revealed that on the last day of World War I, between the beginning of the armistice negotiations in the railroad cars encampment at the Compiegne Forest, French commander-in-chief Marshal Foch refused to accede to the German negotiators' immediate request to declare a ceasefire or truce so that there would be no more useless waste of lives among the common soldiers. By not declaring a truce even between the signing of the documents for the Armistice and its entry into force, "at the eleventh hour, at the eleventh day and the eleventh month", about 11,000 additional men were wounded or killed - far more than usual, according to the military statistics.[12]"

the french would terrorise the world again if they had anyone even half as good as massena or napoleon. or maybe just someone with actual brain cells

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>>441303
>>441312
>>440258
Industrial warfare sucks for warrior cultures.