Irredentism / Europe

>>372137
Ofc if your country is not on the list. please drop some info here.

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>>372137
Here you go. Everyone(relevant) wins.

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>>372137
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irredentism
>no Slovenia section

Modern irredentism is about getting back those lands, still inhabited by Slovenes.
>pic related: 1848 map that is still relevant today

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>>372137
>>372268
Then again, going by ancient settlement, it gets pretty idealistic.

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>>372137
>>372268
>>372282
Some say we were here longer than previously thought.

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>>372137
>German
>"""""""""EMPIRE""""""""""

>>372307
>Mexico

???

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>>372319
>Korean
>""""""""""EMPIRE"""""""""

I can tell you there was never a concept of a greater Portugal, closest would be Portugalicia due to language and cultural ties or a united Iberia under the Portuguese crown (also an ambition of Spain under their crown)

>>372329
lel what? Please don't tell me there are Koreans who believe this

>>372387
Also the region of Olivença is de jure Portuguese clay since Spain agreed to give it back after the conflict in which they occupied it ended however it is still Spanish clay de facto to this day

>>372329
Looks like korealine or portuline in EU3

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>>372387
>>372399
Korean nationalists mang.

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Are you trying to do something like this? (just an example in paint, doesn't nearly have all the irredentist movements)

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>>372268
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irredentism
>no Slovenia Irredenta
"TRST JE NAŠ GORICA PA ŠE BO" is uttered by both the extreme righta and left.
They even made a movie about it just to piss off Italians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_pV_XKO4r0
It's definitely a thing.
t. gee-ess-gee

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>>372288
>not knowing we're on this territory since before Indoeuropeans arrived
t. SNS

>>372424
>Suriname and the guyanas
>south africa
>japan
>all dat India
>all dat indonesia

There have never been Portuguese claims on these territories, that map is just alt history fantasy

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>>372465
This is more or less the area that Slovene Irredentists claim.

>>372215
>Italy having Istria
>2015
>Not before the foibe

>>372472
That map makes me cringe. I mean for autistic purposes, but it makes total sense.

In 1954. Before Osimo.

FTT ftw

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>>372472
Colored parts are Slovenians living under foreign oppression. Its our long term duty to pull a Munich agreement on Austria and Italy somehow.
The most claimed part is the one in Italy tjo. The Hungarian Slovenes are irrelevant and extremely small in size, the Austrian Slovenes are slowly starting to get minority rights since that old fart Haider died.
Italians are still doing full blown fascist Italianization like it's 1942 though. Blocking Slovene minority schools and the like.

>>372457
I would post that image but the posters on /his/ got all butt flustered the last time I did.

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This is the kind of shit the Italians pulled during ww2. Many Slovenes still resent them for it.

>>372504

Do you have any idea what Tito did to the Italian Istrians after WW2

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>>372508
start shit, get hit.

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>>>/gsg/ pls

>>372514
Yeah the Italian government. Not the Italian Istrians who had lived there the whole time and been forcibly fascist-ised from Italian Irredentism.

They never experienced the Risorgimento, because they were under Austro-Hungarian rule, so they were much less apt to follow basic tenets of fascism.

Everyone was tolerant of each other during the 1800's. The Italians lived on the coast, the Slovenes in the valleys and mountains. Italians gave them places to trade goods in Pirano, Isola, Capodistria,etc.

No need to blame the Italian Istrians. They got fucked because of the fascist policies, then the Communist policies.

>>372215
>>372215
Luxemburg should be part of the United Netherlands imo. You might as well give limburg to germany

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Get ready Turks.

>>372545
Why so protective of some noodle munchers?
The italians were on cleansing whole villages up to Ljubljana, then while the occupation of the city countless "disappearances", shootings, ...

Gib Finland
T. Sweden

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This gon be cute.

Dark blue: Estieia proper and as it is in contemporary times. Over 95% of esties throughout history have lived within (excluding expats/migrations). Probably closer to 98%.

Blue: Areas claimed and/or disputed by the newly declared republic asserting itself and fighting for independance almost exactly 100 years ago. These are the areas actually debated over and had more or less reasonable claims by the standards of the time - that is a meaningful % of esties living there and connected to the rest of Estieland. Actual documents, agreements and treaties regulate the claims and ownership of these areas. It wouldn't have been unreasonable nor would it have taken a lot for Estielandia to have had those borders - i.e. legit believable worlds. These are also the lands which are most often lamented over in the context of the borders and what they should be. This is also a bit topical these days as the ratification of the border treaty with Russia looms close - so far esties are on of the few peoples in EU with no actual defined border for legally there only exists a control line/markation line with Russia. As an other preculiar note, esties were more successful on the easter front than the southern one in this context - most of eastern claims were successfully pressed while most of southern were not. Go figure.

Light blue: Areas with less solid claim. These were never officially stated or endored in any way and have existed only in the minds of individuals of varying measures of mental stability. These claims would include /gsg/ levels of autism such as 'Livionians and Ingerians are basically Estonian, right? This totally means that they should be included in the Estonian state.' to 'muh pretty borders'. The most the Estie leaned towards this in official capacity was by supporting the possibility of an Ingerian state. Top Kek, esties. I wonder why it nothing ever came of it.

Gray: BotS/TO/LO/UBD crackAU where they didn't fail at the battle on the ice.

>Denmark having Norway and Iceland

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>>374955
>losing against a post ww1 dying empire


embarrasing

>>372215
>>375139

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>>372215
This map is pretty poor actually. Considering it does not show the irredentism of all countries in Europe. i.e Albania, Romania, Russia, Lithuania, Norway, Finland. etc

>>374996
lol didn't know that in engrish noodle muncher is used for chinese. I meant to offend italians. So in my native languege: makaronarji.

>>372491
>slowly starting to get minority rights since that old fart Haider died.
Those were guaranteed since 1955 at the very latest, Haider was a stupid fuckwit, I'll give you that.

But then again, Slovenian irredentism is a gsg meme anyway, so why am I even bothering.

>>372438
Greater Hungary doesn't include Istria and Dalmatia

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>>372438
Updated your map.

>>372438
OP here i was waiting this to build up.

>>372215
this is nice but not so accurate, i want to represent all of them. and not this denmark > normway, i know they were in clash for long time,
also this >>375167


>>372268
>>372282
>>372439
thanks a lot, great info.
and i couldn't find anything on wiki about slovenia.
so this is great! gut this one >>372288 i find a bit… heh

>>372307
>>372329
>>372424
i am not interesting in colonies… nor shitposting.
and for portugal >>372461


>>372438
YES THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO.
basically i want to do map and to find all the overlaps of wished territories. i want to do proper, and since i am graphics designer i will map look really good. in the end i want to share it for free, in .svg and high .jpeg.

>>372457
i have no idea what is this.

>>372472
>>372491
this is really detailed!!!
thanks, great maps.

>>374955
as from all sauses on greece i found, this is the largest greece is claiming.i would use the one from paris peace conference / 1919

>>375102
THANKS A LOT GREAT INFO,
map saved, super nice.

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>>376509


hope that clears things up

> >>376574
>OP here i was waiting this to build up.
i wanted to say about whole thread not just your map. sorry for this.

but VVVVV
>>376509
HAHAHAHA man you are doing my work?
anyways i am in mood to do it really properly with super nice overlaps showing contemproary borders and what individual country wants.

It would be great if i could get update on other countries!

>>376509
>no sudetenland

Interesting project, somewhat ruined by the fact that joining the EU forces you to give up any territorial claims on neighbors you might have, but I guess what really matters is what the people think.

op

>>376593
i kind of started like this with wiki page, but i think there is a lot of missed things and once that exist are a bit over overexed. and a lot of missing countries, slovenia wasn't even there, and these nice people supported me with the info.

>>376609
i am aware of this, but europe is already cringe worthy, just look at belgium (separatism), hungary (unification). Hungary is litteraly give passports to everybody that is from former AH times, and if speaks A1 hungarian. and recent protests in Belgium, we all know them. romania / moldavia.

>but I guess what really matters is what the people think.
yes, but i want to display a bit in a whole picture.
i think it might be nice.

As a Dutchman, Flanders definitely feels like part of a Greater Netherlands. A more extreme view would include all of Belgium and Luxembourg, Suriname, and Indonesia, and possibly South Africa.

>>376648
The FPÖ has also proposed giving Austrian passports to people in South Tyrol, I'm aware of these things.

>>376654
>Flanders definitely feels like part of a Greater Netherlands
this i took into consideration in the start.

but for belgium and luxembourg, share some links if you have them.

>>376659
Isn't this already happening? In Sud Tirol they already have special treatment, at least this is what my flatmate told me.
(I am currently studying in Austria)

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as far as my knowledge goes

>>376596
>It would be great if i could get update on other countries!
Which one do you want? I can help you with balkan irrederentism the most. Though it's not that simple, there are different levels of irrenentism, from relatively reasonable to absurd.

op
>>376786
i am from balkans so i can deal with balkans, and i know how absurd balkans can get.

but f.e. germany, france, spain, swiss? these are large countries. which i know little about and their irred. i know germany was into unification of german speaking countries, and a bit sides, but i am not sure if this is hitler, or even before?

>>372215
>Cyprus
>Greek flag
Plz no

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>>376593
pls gib clay

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>>377087
>including the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

K E K

>>376654
That's bullshit, though. The Dutch put subtitles under our tv shows.

Culturally speaking there are still ties, but once we split from Walloons we're not going to join up with you faggots.

There isn't much irredentism in France, if at all.
I can't provide a map ( I'm on a phone) but the only claims are an unification with Walloons, and more importantly France claimed the Sarre region in Germany up to after WWII. In the past though, the "Natural Borders" theory wanted to push the French borders up to the Rhine. That means all of Belgium and a part of Germany and Netherlands would belong to France. If you look it up, that's basically what French revolutionnaries did.

There are lots of claims againsr France though, as we cu cked a lot of people in the past:
Italians claim Nice's region, sometimes Savoie and Corsica too.
Germans claim Alsace-Lorraine as you must know.
Basques indenpendentists claim a tiny bit in the South.

Keep us updated on your project, I love maps and I wish to see the final result ! Good luck !

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>>377221
http://livre.fnac.com/a2401301/Courrier-International-L-atlas-des-atlas-le-monde-vu-d-ailleurs-en-200-cartes

Also, if you can read French, this book is great. It collects hundreds of maps from different countries around the world to show territorial disputes and different ways of mapping the world.
Pic telated is a photo of a map in it showing Basque claims in France and Spain.

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>>376574
>THANKS A LOT GREAT INFO,
>map saved, super nice.
Don't add the gray bits, that was a joke. And me wanting to do some colouring.

Also, I'll add some bits as I had wanted to add before but couldn't fit into the post.
The southern bits didn't really bring about any tensions between Estonia and Latvia after 1919-1920. Though there had been an agreement between the Provisional Government of Estonia and that of Ulmanis' that in exchange of Estonian military help, any border disputes in relevant parishes were to be solved in favour of Estonia, Ulmanis managed to wiggle out of this and the question was resolved in 1920 more in favour of Latvia with the exeption of a semi-important town.

The eastern lands are a different matter. The first supra-Narwa lands (NE) and Petseri (SE) are in a sense lands gained from Russia - that is they weren't explicitly included in the very first documents which aimed to define the land of Estonia a few years earlier. Still, with the Peace of Tartu RSFSR agreed to the pictured border (red: sovient proposals, blue: estonian proposals, green: the eventual border, light purple: the border today as it is to be ratified soon) and renounced all and any claims for Estonia forever and ever.. Estonia still had reason for claiming these areas besides military concerns. Petseri is inhabitied by a sort of a splinter of estonian people who speak a language in between that of estonian and finnish and are (said to be) conprehendable by both which isn't the case with estonian and finnish itself. Also, they have always been orthodox and part of the Pskov since medieval times. NE area east of river Narwa included a minority of ingrians and estonians among a majority of russians. This 13 ingrian villages was a bit endearingly called Estonian Ingria.

Then WWII happened and Soviet Union illegally occupied and annexed Estonia. In 1944 after having retaken the land from the retreating germans, they also changed the borders to what they are today.

>>377350
The kicker is that the areas pictured at probably smaller that an average Texan ranch.

>>372137
In 2015 nobody in Spain cares about Gibraltar, except for a few jealous andalusians that wish they were brits too.

Anyways, spanish irredentism is still a thing, it still exists as a concept even if it has almost no followers. The article doesn't claim if people follows or not the different irredentisms, it just defines them.

op here

>>377392
i heard totally different story about this…

>>377350
>Don't add the grey bits, that was a joke. And me wanting to do some colouring.
ofc, i will check shady things :D.
but still thanks for explaining me. it means bunch.
and it does not matter that much if its small,
my problem would be how to represent this best on the map.
since map should be extremely large for this to be seen.
i really have to think about this.
my idea is to post sever sizes of maps.
printable version, and several sizes

plus, do you know does Latvia or Finland claims some estonian territories?

>>377254
i know about catalan and basque region, i will take this into consideration, but i would present it in a different way they other countries wishing for more land.

>>377221
if you have possibility to share the map. great!
i would finish it probably until end of january or something like that.
since i will do everything detailed. i could before that consider your help in the middle of production.

i would anyways post this.
i could give you my e-mail address so you could write me,
so i will have your email so when i am finished i could send you the published thing.
and i would publish it in the end on /his/
i am expecting to be done with this somewhen in january.


do you know anything about scandinavian countries?
i know to little about them...

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>>377254

>Not showing claims over Treviño

>>377254
no english version of l'atlas des atlas?
my best friend knows perfect french but i do not want to torture her now, since she is doing her master thesis...

>>372268
o živjo

>>377941
>i heard totally different story about this…

From who? Are you sure you didn't misinterpret it?

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>>377087
allow me to go romantical on your ass.

>>378003
have a lot of esp friends.
some of them care little, some of them care a lot.
but all of them care to some degree.

>>377997
slovenia do you know some claim over your land?
from italy or croats?

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i will post some maps now on things i am interested as well.

<porgutal
is this anyhow credible?

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<poland
is this anyhow credible?

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>>374955
Lel

>>372268
Find a better version of this map, and you'll see that Slovene national borders are pretty much current borders with Kočevje being German. Actually in Prekmurje we got parts that aren't within "Slovene national" borders.
The picture is too big, so here's link: http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/90/Zemljovid_Slovenske_dezele_in_pokrajin.jpg

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>>378068
ayy

>all these Slovenian fucking shits ITT

You are the fucking result of Germans and Venetians raping slavic wenches in their respective domains.

Deal with it.

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>>377941
>plus, do you know does Latvia or Finland claims some estonian territories?
Regarding the border with latvians.
The dispute came about because historically the Duchy/Governorate of Livionia encompassed both latvians and estonians. The divisions of land (parishes and landkreise) had been largely static since early modern or even medieval times, but of course the people themselves weren't so neatly divided. Naturally there was more of a gradient shift from an estonian dominated areat to that of latvian one in parishes along the eventual border. A little known fact is that Latvia doesn't have any islands and they really (really) wanted the one in the middle of the Gulf of Riga. There was even a pleibistice if I recall correctly. SU annexed a small part of Latvia in the same manner as they did with Estonia, so there might be some inkling and basis on irredentism there.

So orange would be plausible, yellow would be /gsg/ levels of wishful thinking about Livionia having been mostly latvian in terms of raw numbers. Their border with Lithuania should be static since the 14th century (inb4 lithuanians claim everything as their historical clay). But I'm not a six-toed latvian, so I'm not certain.

Regarding Finland, the most plausible would areas would be the small islands in the Gulf of Finland and Ingria itself. No solid claims that I can think of besides a general political union of similar poeples.

>>378323
Why so salty though?

>>378341
Oh nothing personell kids. I'm just pissed off for a variety of personal reasons. Shitposting hard makes me feel better.