What went wrong?

Liberum veto.

>>344706
BS. It was a symptom no the cause. A symptom that the power shifted from the nobility into the hand of the few superrich magnate families. It was magnates' clients who used the veto.

The true cause of PLC's decline was the economic decline of the middle landed nobility who held the magnates in check and provided the bulk of the statesmen and political class.

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>>344702
Well hello there little friend.

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>>344702
You mah cyka now.

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>>344702
Don't mind me, just taking what's left.

>>344702
So Belorussians are Lithuanians and Ukrainians are Poles

>>344739
Their nobles became Poles. Almost all of them became Polonized.

>>344754
Exactly like our nobilty got Magyarized

Ethnicity in this region is more fluid than would people think

>>344724
>>344735
>>344738
Didnt all three of these practically get invited into the country by internal forces feuding among each other?

>I have the germans on my side, listen to me!
>Well I have the russians on my side, so I should be in charge!
>The austrians support my claim!!

>>344878
That happens when you have elective monarchy

>>344878

There wasn't such factions in late PLC. The factions were:
- Our state is miserable, we have to reform it!
- It's perfect, don't touch this!

The former hoped that the external powers will support them and that a strong PLC would be an useful ally. In reality, the powers supported the later and later on shifted their attention into shameless landgrab.

>>344702
paralyzed oligarchy posing as a democracy

So, what was the situation of Livonia in the Commonwealth? Was it another fief or an actual member of the union?

>>344920
Livonia was an integral part of the PLC. Courland was a fief with a ruler that was a vassal to the king.

>>344724
>>344735
>>344738
'sup leddit

>>345155
comments like these and
>/pol/
need to stop. They're killing the high level of discourse expected on this board.

>>344702
disregard the memsters, this is literally what destroyed the PLC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_%28history%29

>>344878
Every single noble also had the right to veto any decision. This is why we have the expression Polish parliament today.

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>>344724
>>344735
Peasants

The Deluge (massive Cossack rebellion) broke the country. Its political system was too autistic to recover and decayed into endless libertum vetoing.Wasnt helped by having shit kings from Saxony for the 1700's either.

>>345245
you call the poor excuse of a memer like him 'high lever of discourse'?

>>345254
it wouldn't have been even a fraction that destructive had the PLC not been extremely flawed before it

>>344702
I'm reading "The Deluge" right now

Dank shit

>>349675
Are you polish?