So let me get this straight

>>3390121
They organized strikes which crippled the German war industry, and attempted a violent coup d'etat. They didn't dindu nuffin, anon.

>openly not supporting the war effort
>war is lost
>people scapegoat you

>>3390128
>They organized strikes which crippled the German war industry
Who are "they"? You can't organize strikes if people are happy about their situation.

>attempted a violent coup d'etat
After the war.

>>3390128
>They organized strikes which crippled the German war industry,
From what I understand, there were relatively minor strikes that only began after a couple of years of futility, at which point Germany was pretty much already bound to lose anyway. And this was only after the German state had basically conscripted the entire nation into this giant war meatgrinder, with even factory workers compelled to work long hours by law. The political class and military leaders had failed to win the war, basically failing at their job and duty, but they wanted everyone else to continue fighting and dying in this hopeless effort of beating the world's greatest naval power, backed by the world's greatest rising economic power, plus France.
>and attempted a violent coup d'etat.
After the war. Had nothing to do with the war being lost - that was mostly due to the political leadership miscalculating and deciding to ever enter the war in the first place. As Sun Tzu said, "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."

>>3390128
>and attempted a violent coup d'etat
I'm not trying to justify that, and I certainly don't think that communists would have been likely to make 20s Germany a better place, given their track record elsewhere. However, they were obviously right back in 1914 that the war was stupid and the correct approach was to try to avoid fighting. I don't think it's possible to deny that.

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>>3390145
Strikes had their effects felt from the very beginning of the war, but compared to the British situation the Germans had it very easy.

>>3390161
Right. Based on what I know of the military history of the war, strikes were not responsible for German defeat. By 1916 Germany was basically fucked. The war was lost, some people just didn't realize it yet. French armies would not be broken. The English blockade was not going to be lifted. The Americans were coming. The correct strategy at that point was to try to negotiate a peace, not to spend another two years losing millions of people, only to end up forced to negotiate a peace anyway. So at that point, trying to overthrow the military regime and end the war actually made perfect sense. The government had fucked up by entering the war and then failing to win it. The people had given it plentiful support. It had had its chance. At some point you can no longer ask people to bleed and die and work 12 hour days at factories and eat turnips, after you've fucked up that badly sitting in your nice meeting rooms and country estates.

>>3390143
>Who are "they"?
Members of the various communist revolutionary movements.

>You can't organize strikes if people are happy about their situation.
Oh sure, but you can certainly exploit temporary discontentment for your own gains.

>after the war.
During/after

>>3390156
How were they right? Communism is probably the worst ideology to ever plague mankind, killing over 100 million people in just a century. Hitler was a vegetarian and an ecologist, does that make him a good guy?

>>3390145
Yes, the strikes only started towards the end. I don't know why you're disagreeing with me, I was merely answering OP's question.

>>3390196
>How were they right? Communism is probably the worst ideology to ever plague mankind, killing over 100 million people in just a century. Hitler was a vegetarian and an ecologist, does that make him a good guy?
What I'm saying is that they were right to believe that the war should not be entered into to begin with, and they were right from at least 1916 on to work to try to end the war, since Germany was almost certainly fucked by that point and continuing to fight was useless. They were wrong about a lot of other things, including how to run a country, but they were right about that.

>>3390200
Like I said, Hitler was right about preserving the environment. They "they were right about point x which has nothing to do with their overall ideology" is probably the laziest argument I can think of.

>>3390206
But I'm not trying to argue in favor of communists. I'm just trying to argue that it was wrong to demonize them for opposing the war. They were right to oppose it.

>>3390211
They weren't demonized for opposing the war, they were demonized for trying to violently overthrow german society during the 1918 revolutions.

>>3390217
You're wrong. Spartacist Uprising is from 1919, not from 1918. Those were the communists.

>>3390196
>Members of the various communist revolutionary movements.
Such as? Name all these "movements".

>>3390232
Alright whatever, my point still stands.

>>3390235
Ever heard of the Spartacists?

>>3390239
>various
So we have the Spartacist. What about other movements?

>>3390242
Are you so fucking stupid you can't do a simple google search, or are you one of these delusional upper class """revolutionaries"""" who thinks he's changing the world because he wears a black lives matter tshirt?

Look at the movements in the rectangle to the right of the page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319

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>>3390121
>the communists were just innocent political activists before they tried to overthrow the government by force

>>3390121
The right wng demonized everyone responsible (according to them) for losing the war. The term November Criminals applied to all Marxist parties - socialdemocrats from SPD, socialists from USPD and of course communists from KPD.
The Spartacist uprising is modern neo-Nazi scapegoat. Rathenau was from DDP, Erzberger from Zentrum but both were assassinated.

>>3390258
They didn't overthrow the government, that's the point.
>>3390254
Nice ad hominem. But you know that the revolution of 1918 was mostly started by USPD/SPD supporters?

>>3390261
>we dindu nuffin, dey nazis were ebil

>>3390268
>They didn't overthrow the government, that's the point.
Not from lack of trying

>Nice ad hominem.
It was completely warranted.

>But you know that the revolution of 1918 was mostly started by USPD/SPD supporters?
Hey will you look at that! You do know other groups involved in the revolutions!

>>3390258
Obviously they weren't completely innocent, but what had they done before the end of the war that was worth demonizing them, when the most obvious group that should have received blame for what had happened was the pre-war and wartime leadership.

>>3390270
I know all the groups. But the groups I mentioned were not communist.
>>3390269
In 1918 the most evil party was the empire and the army. They are also the most responsible for the defeat.

>>3390281
Many Germans still believed they are invincible. Stab-in-the-back myth was popular only among right-wingers, though. SPD never really lost its support. All parties thought that Versailles Treaty was very unfair, though.

>The naval order of 24 October 1918 was a plan made by the German Admiralty at the end of World War I to provoke a decisive battle between the German High Seas Fleet and the British Grand Fleet in the southern North Sea.
>Admiral Hipper seemed well aware of the risk in this plan, and expressed a sanguinary attitude about it: "a battle for the honour of the fleet in this war, even if it were a death battle, it would be the foundation for a new German fleet".

Was it autism?

>3390128
>3390128

>They organized strikes which crippled the German war industry

Literally every country involved in the war had to deal with the problem of striking workers.

>>3390370

The admiralty was well-aware that the fleet would have to be scrapped if Germany lost the war, so they really had nothing to lose at that point. Throwing all remaining ships into one last-ditch attack made sense from a military perspective. Even if they all get sunk, at least they'll do some damage, which is better than just having them scrapped after the war.

>>3390133
badabing