Why do Southern Italians Have Darker Skin?

>>3387942
Genetics and climate

>>3387949
But what genetics? What seperates the southern italians from the nothern ones?

>>3387942
It's hotter down there.

>>3387963
climate

>>3387963
Southern Italians have more Greek and Semitic blood.

>>3387978
>>3387982
Brainlets

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>>3387963

>>3387963
Muslim genes

>>3387942
Because Italians were BTFO and creampied by the Moors. Same thing with the Spanish.

They're fucking indistinguishable from Egyptians Mexicans Brazilians or whatever brown skin. Italians and their brown counterparts are delusional as fuck in thinking they are white. That Arab bloke who Frogger'd a bunch of Spaniards the other day looks like one of the Italian cooks at the neighborhood pizza shop lol

>>3387963
>What seperates the southern italians from the nothern ones?
Magna Graecia. It's not a coincidence that the darker parts of terronia are Sicilia, Calabria and southern Puglia.
That's not to say that terroni are all greek spawn, mind you. The average terrone is only darker due to much higher sun exposure (the deep south literally has twice as many hours of bright sunshine on average compared to the Po Plain), but it's proven that they have a greek influence in their gene pool whereas polentoni are more in line with the rest of western Europe.

>>3387963
Less Yamnaya DNA

>>3387982
That doesn't make sense because how would it be passed down to me, I have darker skin and my grandfather has darker skin but neither of us have lived in Italy.

>>3387990
Now this actually makes sense, thank you. Is this because the Greeks and Semetics moved there or...?

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>>3388005
>twice as many hours of bright sunshine
Does it?

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>>3387990
>more exposed to sun
>not producing more melanin

>>3388013
You fell for the bait.

>>3388005
Even before The Greeks Siciloans clustered genetically where They are now

>>3388017
Nice MS paint graph. Source that shit bitch

>>3388019
>more exposed to sun
Only slightly more. Not enough to turn the whole population into shitskins.

>>3388026
>bitch
I'm a Scandinavian and therefore not your equal, you don't get to call me a bitch. Next time prostrate yourself and present your question in a kind, formal manner.

>>3388005
Just to give you a little bit of perspective of where my family is from in Italy, my grandfather's side is from Bari and my grandmother's side is from Scilla.

>>3388027
it is

>>3388033
I don't converse with Somalians, have a good day Habib.

northern italians are german rape babies and southern italians are greek rape babies.

>>3388044
See >>3388017
The difference between North and South Italy is like between Kentucky and Tennessee. It's not significant at all.

>>3388026
>provide literally no source
>attack others for lack of credibility

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>>3388017
>Does it?
I guess it depends on the map (mine's from Rice). Over 3000 vs 2000-1000 is roughly twice in my books. Yours is also sunshine as opposed to 'bright sunshine', they're probably measuring different stuff.

>>3388044
There is very little to no difference in sunlight exposure between Italian regions unless you're comparing the extreme South with the extreme North, and even then it's a small difference.

Not to mention that modern humans don't spend much time out in the sunlight, especially during summer. And they tend to wear clothes.

>>3388063
But after thousands of years...?

>>3388027
I think it also depends on the kind of work the people do.
Let me explain:
The north has more industries and more infrastructure=more people working in offices and factories=less exposure to the sun
The south is way more agricultural and overall rural=more people working in farms and as fishermans and such=more exposure to the sun= you get tan even in december

>>3388072
see>>3388073

Because southern Italians aren't white? Next question

>>3388073
That's not how genetics work. Just being in sunlight doesn't give you brown skin genes.

>>3388073
Thousands of years isn't that in evolutionary terms, and they would almost certainly be interbreeding quite a bit

South Shitalians descend from neolithic near easterners which mixed with copper age near easterners, North Italians are basically The same but They mixed with steppe people like urnfield, goths, celts and Lombards that white washed them

>>3388104
that long*

>>3388093
I know, that's why I'm trying to figure out why I have darker skin, people were saying climate and they're all talking about this bs about sunlight or whatever but it has nothing to do with my original question.

>>3388093
its does, especially if you are in it for most of your day, which ancient people were.

>>3388116
So you're saying if I go and get a deep tan and have a baby, my baby will have my tan?

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>>3388074
>The north has more industries and more infrastructure=more people working in offices and factories=less exposure to the sun
>the last 200 years magically turned shitskins into white people
The evolution of a different skin color takes literally tens of thousands of years. The British have been living in Austrlalia for hundreds of years yet they are still white.

>>3387963
Its mainly just climate. You can see the same thing with the same people put in different geographic locations. With Greeks, with Persians, with Spaniards, etc...those who live in more temperate and cooler areas tend to have fairer skin pigmentation while those who live in hotter and more humid areas tend to have darker skin complexions due to more exposure to the sun.

>>3388116
Please describe the mechanism then.

>>3388112
No people is entirely homogeneous, that's the reason. South Italians have close genetic relations with Greeks. North Italians probably have connections with Celts and other continental Europeans.

>>3388125
you took it out of context. 1000's of years of being in the sun daily for hours does develop more melanin in your skin and your genes adapt to have this trait

>>3388129
but read >>3388125

>>3388136
Your mixing up genetics with phenotypes.

>>3388138
I'm going to use my "I'm 15" card

>>3388138
phenotypes are a result of genetics

>>3388116
Genetic changes occur randomly. The environment "selects" them, but environmental conditions cannot actually force specific genetic mutations to happen. Theoretically speaking, you could have a black-skinned population living in Scandinavia for 30,000 years without their skin colour ever changing.

northern Italy was considered a part of Gaul until the Romans totally dominated it, then it was considered substandard farmland until the 9th century when 3 field crop rotation and the heavy plow became prevalent

the differences were as stark as that between Greece and Thrace and the distances similar

>>3388142
Not always no. There's nothing separating a light skinned Greek or Persian from their darker complexioned kin. Exposure to climate, weather, and sunlight has an effect on one's skin complexion.

Go put a thousand Germans in somewhere like southern Greece or Anatolia, and suspending variables like admixing with other people, return a thousand years later to see how they look. They won't be as fair skinned or pale due to their bodies adapting to the change in environment
.

>>3388144
>Theoretically speaking, you could have a black-skinned population living in Scandinavia for 30,000 years without their skin colour ever changing.
[citation needed]

>>3388127

>tens

That's ridiculous. Maybe for all the relevant mutations to develop(that's irrelevant anyway) but it's only a few(order of dozens) generations to change their frequency.

>>3388153
> A phenotype results from the expression of an organism's genetic code, its genotype, as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotype

>>3388074
I can't figure out if this is bait or not. But I'll reply anyway. How come Italian-Americans still look like shitskins (they're mostly from Sicily and Naples) even though they're living in the cold cities of Chicago, NYC and Boston?

>>3388153
>eturn a thousand years later to see how they look. They won't be as fair skinned or pale due to their bodies adapting to the change in environment

Then why aren't blacks in America white yet?

>>3388169
Well they're mostly arabs pretending to be from Italy

>>3388155
I'm a med student who understands basic biology. High schools are doing a shit job at educating people on how evolution works because a lot of students end up with a Lamarckian understanding of genetics. Exposing yourself to a certain environmental condition won't make your genes "adapt". Genes are not conscious and they cannot decide to mutate in a specific manner. Indo-Europeans going white is literally nothing more than a series of RANDOM mutations that prevailed thanks to the environmental conditions in Eurasia, but were not CAUSED by those conditions.

>>3388171
>thousands of years
Nice american education
Also, african-americans are lighter skinned than actual africans
But they're all mulattos anyway

>>3388173
Citation needed.

>>3388182
>Also, african-americans are lighter skinned than actual africans
Because they're mixed you fag.

>>3388167
Environmental factors means what happens in their general biological environment in their development. I might have symmetrical features and so will my wife, but let's say she drinks and smokest and is stressed to shit for the duration and the baby comes out looking retarded with a disability. Those are environmental factors.

It doesn't actually mean the weather.

>>3388177

Why does it matter that climate doesn't cause mutations? It can still remove them from the gene pool.

>>3388186
>but they're all mulattos anyway
Learn to read, you dipshit

>>3388189
Phenotype isn't just skin color. Phenotype being influenced by environment means shit like people being taller if they eat better.

>>3388182
Blacks have been in in the Americas for around half a thousand years and besides the mixed ones we're not seeing them get any lighter via climate. If what you're saying is true then we'd be seeing SOME Population-wide phenotype difference which is not the case at all.

>>3387942
Olive/darker skin is native Italian skin.

Lighter color is from the Norther neighbors

>>3388182
Why aren't blacks in Boston lighter than blacks in Alabama?

>>3388196
Are you going to tell me increased carrot consumption makes Californian white people tan easier next?

>>3388202

Where do African Americans traditionally live again?
Perhaps a place where dark or at least brown skin is an advantage over pale which doesn't really fit in the region, often getting burned to red?

>>3388211
There is no such thing as Californian white people.

>>3388216
Blacks have been fleeing to the North and Canada for hundreds of years

Try again

>>3388192
The difference in climate is hardly drastic enough to make that happen. It would imply that most of the light-toned South Italians have been massively dying from skin cancer while a slight shade darker South Italians were significantly more resistant. Simply acknowledging that relatively large nations like Italians aren't genetically homogeneous and have been shaped by migrations seems like a more probable explanation.

After all, aren't brown Arabs more exposed to sunlight than sub-Saharan pitch black Africans? And why aren't Inuits as pale as the Irish?

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>>3388206
>olive skin
People misunderstand what this term means. Pic related is olive skin.

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>>3388232
While pic related is just a shitskin

>>3388177
This is /his/ not /sci/

This is why humanities majors couldn't get into STEM programs - they believe shit like years of exposed sun-light will magically rewrite the code in your semen to make brown skinned babies if you weren't already

>>3388017
>2600 – 1800
You just made that yourself and you should feel ashamed. You're a useless cunt.

>>3388224

You have a very warped idea of how selection works and the timescales involved. Maybe people in northern US would ideally have some intermediate, brown complexion similar to Sicilians but there is no reason why there would be such strong selective pressure for it that it would happen in 4 generations.

>>3388240
Literally google europe usa sunglight hours you subhuman. Please tell me your nationality so I can laugh at you.

>>3388246
>that it would happen in 4 generations.

But 6 or 7 generations is just right?

>>3388248

The intensity of solar radiation is distinct from the duration of it, mapping more reliably to latitude.

>>3387942
Italy has been getting invaded by different ethnic groups throughout history.

Southern Italy =
Colonized by the Greeks in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE
Conquered by the Romans
Invaded by the Vandals, Visigoths and Ostrogoths
Retaken by the Byzantines (Greeks).
Sicily invaded by the Arabs and suffered some African migration as well
Conquered by Spain

Northern Italy =
Originally Celtic
Conquered by the Romans
Invaded by the Carthaginians
Invaded by the Vandals, Ostrogoths and Visigoths
Invaded by the Huns
Invaded by the Lombards
Annexed into the Holy Roman Empire
Invaded and annexed into Austria-Hungary

>>3388251

I would say between 50 and 500 depending on the rate of intermarriage with Europeans who provide the lightening alleles. It would be much faster for a 50% European population to hit the mark than a 1% European one.

>>3388252
You conveniently ignored the second sentence I see.

>>3388260

Actually 50 is too much since mulattoes are close to Sicilian complexion anyway. Let's say 10.

>>3388257
>Northen Italy

>invaded by Carthaginians

Retard, They allied with them, also North Italy was actually invaded and raped by Arabs

>>3388270
If you don't see any changes the 6th generation it's highly doubtful you're going to see any at the 10th.

Once you hit 50-500 then we're talking one. Scale of tens of thousands of years at which point the discussion is completely fruitless

>>3388275
It has to be non-consensual for it to be rape, friend-o

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>>3387963
Inbreeding

Southern Italians are low-IQ inbred Mediterraneans while Northern Italians are Roman/Lombard mixed

>>3388169
NYC has a sub-tropical climate and actually shares roughly the same latitude as Madrid, Spain.

>>3388276

There are some things you don't quite understand.

Many if not all frequent Mendelian recessive and some dominant mutations originate in small breeding groups which absolutely don't need thousands of years for shifts in 0 to 100 in allele frequencies, in fact 10 sounds great and 6 sounds okay.

Population growth and introgression from these groups with shifted allele frequencies can greatly lessen the time involved in allele frequency shifts in much larger populations so we don't need to talk about thousands of years.

>>3388257
>Northern Italy =
>Originally Celtic
Etruscans weren't celtic

>>3388167
Why are you linking me to an article that further reinforces what I am saying as an attempt at a rebuttal?

It's been ~5 generations and nothing's happened so far so we'll see

>>3388289
Is this why I sweat my balls off every summer even when I'm bare ass naked?

>>3388310
No, that's because it's humid there. I'm in Arizona and I don't even have to turn the AC on (100 degrees right now).

>>3387942
>why do people from very near to Switzerland look a bit like people who are actually from Switzerland and why do people from quite near Tunisia look a bit like people who are actually from Tunisia?
Sorry to be rude OP, but are you a bit thick?

Debunk this:

Muhammad, Abdul and Jafar are bored so they sail across the sea and happen upon some blue eyed qt named Alexandria. It's been a long trip so they decide to give Alex some of their hummus and hang around for a couple years. Alex gives birth to a pasta-hummus baby and it's pretty tan, looks a lot like jafar's sister actually. Anyways Abdul and Jafar enjoyed giving Alex their hummus so much they want to give their hummus to Alex's family and friends. They send Muhammad back to the caliphate home base to get hummus backup. Pretty soon Aroon, Abu, Habib and co. Are serving their hummus en Masse to these blonde qts.

As time passes, you've got a lot of pats hummus teenage girls running around. Jafar is an older man now but that one pasta hummus girl looks like she really needs some hummus. So he gives it to her. Now she has a double hummus baby, so much so there's barely any trace of pasta left.

Now imagine this hummus spreading for a couple hundred years. And he thing with hummus, it's just so good that long after Abdul and Jafar and friends are dead and gone the hummus keeps spreading and spreading on this nice pita bread island we like to call Sicily.


This hummus story is more believable and a more credible theory on why south Italians are virtually indistinguishable from Abdul and his sisters.

>>3388289
>Madrid, Spain
Why did you have to say "Spain", did you think we would perhaps confuse it with Madrid, Iowa?

>>3388248
He was correct, nigger. Your graph is fucked up as if made by bimbi. Tu sei idiota infinito. Vaffan culo.

>>3388329
t. terrone

>>3388287
That chart is vastly outdated and your arguments falls flat
Sardinia has the lowest IQ but is still the most prosperous and rich of all of south Italy

>>3388350
IQ is as valid as Myers Briggs. Opinion discarded

>>3388323
Tl;dr (I gave up with the names)

>>3388353
Thanks for proving me i'm right then, anon

>>3388354
>can't read long paragraphs with different names

Why are you in a history board again?

>>3388350
>Sardinia is the most prosperous and rich of all of south Italy
[citation needed]

>>3388350
>
Sardinia has the lowest IQ but is still the most prosperous and rich of all of south Italy

Actually Sicily has the lowest IQ, learn how to read

>>3388370
GDP and PIL, also 0 mafia, easily found on google friendo

>>3388350

>Sardinia has the lowest IQ but is still the most prosperous and rich of all of south Italy

Actually Sicily has the lowest IQ, learn how to read, Sardinians have the same IQ as Campanians who are basically Aryans (Samnites)

>>3388378
>wow, this anon found negligible the difference between 90 and 89, now i'm gonna tell him to read, that will show him

>>3388386
1 IQ point is actually a lot

>>3388232
That's light-olive.

>>3388234
That's dark-olive.

>>3388382
>GDP
Sardinia comes in 3rd there, actually
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_regions_by_GDP
>PIL
Can't seem to find regional data

>>3388287
It does not matter, those were not actually IQ test but results in PISA school test scores or whatever, no one in Shitaly does actual IQ test, we're not Muricans

>>3388403
>but results in PISA school test
Only one of these results is from Pisa, retard

>>3388426
No, they all are, no one does IQ test in Italy, you retarded subhuman, they just are not a thing, you fucking subhuman retard

>>3388437
How can all tests from Italy be from one city dumbass

>>3388287
>Roman-Lombard mix
Still waiting for that genetic evidence that northern Italians have significant Germanic admixture

>>3388459
PISA score it's like the scores from the university of Pisa, where people from all of Italy go because it's the most beautiful stupendous best for most intelligent people, and those are the average grades they get

>>3388144
black people get bad cases of rickets in the uk and Scandinavia

an all black population would not last very long there 30k years ago

>>3388461
>still in denial
t. butthurt Sicilian

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>>3388596
Thanks for that conclusive evidence, Germanigger. Not Sicilian, by the way.

>>3387942
When the Muslim moors conquered southern Italy, they did so much fucking that they changed the bloodline forever. So, you are part eggplant.

>>3387942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trBxPFLq__g

>>3387942
Gaul.

>>3388313
Don't move here unless you balling my friend. I hate this fucking climate.

>>3388811
To NYC? Not appealing to me really.

>>3387942
Southern Italians are darker because of Germanic admixture

>>3388852
This but unironically.

>>3387942
Because we have a bigger chance of getting a tan compared to northerners, just walking through the city during summer is enough to darken my skin, and my skin is white enough to see the veins underneath.

Also, just FYI, here in the south we reached 45° during July, while in Germany there were 19° in the Frankfurt area.

>>3388127
Compared to British in Britain, who are pink , Australians have a swarthier complexion. Same thing for Afrikaans in

>>3389679
Australians who spend their time outside are more tanned, the average office worker looks pretty much identical.

>>3388295
>etruscans=all of northern italy
veneti were celtics, for example

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>>3389679
You fucking what

>>3387942

Southern italians are more closely related to their roman ancestors (who were mostly african)

Northern Italians have been mixed with Nordic barbarians

>>3388153

Vast majority of Germans are not fair skinned or pale as it is. Not for Europeans anyway. They're swarthy compared to say Russians and a lot of British islanders. Most Germans are no paler or darker then most Greeks and Italians. There's a minority of swarthy southern Europeans, but most of them are no darker then any other Europeans. They tan well in the sun, sure, but so do most people from any given European country too. Its just that it's sunnier and hotter in southern Europe

>>3389679
>Australians have a swarthier complexion
my nigga
u dumb

t. aussie

>>3389679
They racemixed with wogs and abos. That's why Australians are retarded kangaroo riding faggots.

>>3390100

Blonde Australians who spend alot if time in the sun are usually swarthy. Brunette angloceltic Aussies who get a lot of sun are usually not as tanned and have more ruddy/sun damaged/freckly skin

>>3390093
7/10

>>3389884

Cherry picking, and I'm pretty sure he can tan, he just doesn't have a tan in this pic. Aussies are more tan then their British counterparts due to sun exposure and tolerance. Which can itself activate genes for skin pigmentation which would otherwise be dormant

>>3388011
The Yamna were darker than modern Southern Europeans you idiot.

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No lie, I thought she was half black. Turns out she's pure Italian. Who knew?

>>3390327

Nope and anyway that's still lighter than the black-brown people of Europe before them

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>>3388171
The average African American is 18-25% white, and America is fairly warm compared to Europe. Plus, it's only been a few hundred years, compared to say, 15,000 years for Native Americans. There's a reason why the only "light skinned" Native Americans lived in Canada (but not the Attic/Alaska, they kept their dark skin thanks to a diet rich in vitamin D, it's why Europeans were so dark until agriculture was introduced).

>>3390327
No, they were not.

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>>3390327
>The Yamna were darker than modern Southern Europeans you idiot.

>>3390350
weren't Tarim R1a?

>>3390352
i.e. yamnaya. Yamnaya are the ancestors to both R1b and R1a

>>3388580
Hence why proto-Scandinavians were the first Europeans to adopt light skin, though the shade of light skin was apparently closer to Asian people (though I did read that the first modern humans in those regions were literal Asians so maybe that has something to do with it?).

>>3390362

Nope. EHG(aka PIE) were the first Europeans to develop white skin. Scandinavians got it from them.

>>3390336
>>3390346
>>3390350
>The genetic basis of a number of physical features of the Yamnaya people were ascertained by the ancient DNA study conducted by Haak et al. (2015), Wilde et al. (2014), Mathieson et al. (2015): they were genetically tall (phenotypic height is determined by both genetics and environmental factors), overwhelmingly dark-eyed (brown), dark-haired and had a skin colour that was moderately light, though somewhat darker than that of the average modern European.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture

http://m.pnas.org/content/111/13/4832

>>3390352

Tarim Tocharians were dominated by proto-Indo-Iranians. They had maternal lines very distinct from Indo-Iranians.

>>3390373

The brown farmers of Sweden weren't lighter. Black hair, brown eyes, brown skin.

>>3390373
I forgot to mention: My mistake, it was modern Europeans in general. Still, doesn't that also apply for Southern Europeans as well?

>>3390378
Isn't that from the recent study that basically mapped out the genetic history of Sweden recently, showing them go from brown skinned hunter gatherers to lighter but still brown farmers, then fair skinned farmers? I remember seeing rampant shitposting about it on here a few months back.

>>3390367
Didn't they migrate from Central Asia to Eastern Europe? Another question: why there and not say, Norway? I'm really curious.

>>3390177
How is it cherry picking you faggot, Australians are on average blonder than Brits in Britain.

>>3388238
Exactly this. We're dealing with some seriously retarded people.

>>3390384

The fair skinned farmers part is your own fantasy.
They didn't mix with the northern hunters although they did mix with the black-ish German ones. Scandinavian hunter gatherers are a people without descendants. Scandinavians originate in the mixing of steppe men and Anatolian derived brown ladies, plus that one lucky I1 guy who probably had black-ish ancestors.

>>3390177
>sun exposure and tolerance
You're literally making shit up on the go. Australia has the highest skin cancer rates on the planet simply because they're so damn fair. they haven't adapted to anything.

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>>3390401
they were not swarthy

>>3390390

>Didn't they migrate from Central Asia to Eastern Europe?

Yes around 16000 BC. They mixed with local Europeans there.
Norway was under ice in 16000 BC but it too was settled by the light skinned eastern hunters when it became possible.

>>3390401
Farmers were lighter than Yamnaya, Yamnaya were darker than any modern European ethnicity including Sicilians, Sardinians or Andalusians

>>3390350
That's a Tocharian, Not a Yamnaya

>>3390336
Neolithic Hungarian farmers had blonde hair and blue eyes

>>3390420

EHG origins made Yamna light. They had SLC45A2 unlike the dark skinned farmers.

R1a - Whites, Aryans
R1b - Non-white, Shitskins

>>3390428

One single individual might have with some probability above 0 had these traits. Farmers overall were dark. Probably as dark as Moroccans.

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>>3390431
this

>>3390435
Source?

They were lighter than Yamna

>>3390431
This. Reminder That a portion of Africa is R1b as well, the yamna were not Rib carriers, only r1a.

>>3390448

Source?

>>3390448
Nigger the Yamnaya were nordic as the tarim mummies prove. Or how do you explain the phenotype of the tarim mummies?

>>3390445

Basques have 1/4 steppe admixture which is why they are so light compared to Sardinians.

>>3390458
Sardinians have more alleles for light skin than Andalusians who have more steppe admixture

>>3387942

why does skin color matter?

>>3387942
Because it's sunnier.

This is the only reason anyone has darker skin

>>3390464

Andalusians have more WHG and African heritage

>>3388230
>And why aren't Inuits as pale as the Irish?

Biologists have come up with explanations for why this is that a simple google search would point you into the right direction.

But you're not interested in that, you're more interested in your weird, racist obsession with Southern Italians.

>>3390455
See >>3390373. They were not Nordic, the Nordic people we know today didn't exist back then.

>>3390469
For the people who have nothing else in their life, it matters. What a pitiful bunch.

>>3390488

Nordic is a meme word.

All the traits we associate with Nordicness originate in the EHG though as does the PIE language. Recent admixture from Georgian women made Yamna darker than pre-PIE.

>>3390455
Tarim mummies were not Yamnaya

>>3390499

Yeah they had some(10%?) East Asian admixture

>>3390504
>Yeah they had some(10%?) East Asian admixture
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd thought there was only uniparentals not aDNA?

>>3390504
Tarim mummies are from 1700 BC, Yamna culture disappeared in 3000 bc , Tarim people were mixed with European and probably central Asian farmers as well

>>3390510

They had both. I can't remember how much.

>>3390513

Probably less than they had East Asian.

>central Asian farmers

Dravidians. Probably not, I don't think they made it very deep into Central Asia.

>>3390497
>All the traits we associate with Nordicness originate in the EHG though as does the PIE language. Recent admixture from Georgian women made Yamna darker than pre-PIE.
proofs?

>>3387999
you mean arab genes, retard

>>3390533

Their mitochondrial DNA was from the Caucasus while their paternal lines were of local EHG origin.

>>3390367
EHG are European hunter gatherers correct? They were there before indo European invasions, how can they can they be considered proto indo Europeans? Unless you meant PRE indo European.

>>3390545

Eastern(European) Hunter Gatherers. Their range extended from Ukraine to Lapland to the Urals and they were the paternal ancestors of the Yamna.

>>3390550
So what is the Neolithic population of europe referred to as?

>>3390556

Early Neolithic Farmers or European Neolithic Farmers. ENF for short.

Lombards.

Urnfield people, Hallstat Celts, Goths, Lombards, these Northen cut throats changed The native genetics forever

>>3388332
Londoner actually.

>>3390540
North Africans aren't Arabs

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>>3387942
How common is Francesco Cosenza's phenotype in Southern Italy?

>>3387942

Because they're filthy fucking mongrels.

>>3388013
>That doesn't make sense because how would it be passed down to me, I have darker skin and my grandfather has darker skin but neither of us have lived in Italy.
What is Magna Grecia?

>>3389870
No. They were Italics.

>>3391787
very. s. italians are pretty much arabs. not even greek, east germanic and norse input helped them

>LE RAPE BABY MEME XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>>/pol/

>>3388234
do you think that all people look like that in southern italy?

>>3392051
>very. s. italians are pretty much arabs.
no, there are people with that phenotype but there are also pale redheads
i don't know why neckbeards who never live their basement feel the need to act like professors on 4chan

>>3392573
leave*

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>>3392573
Quite possibly Norman and other Northern European descendants from garrisons

>>3392051
>implying Greek inputs can help them
Pic related

>>3392585
>Mantzoukas was born in Lynn, Massachusetts, the son of Cynthia and William Mantzoukas.[1] He has described himself as being of "100 percent Greek" descent.[2][3]

Lmao

>>3392397
yeah but dude the Gauls actually raped tonnes of people in the early iron age

>>3388257
you forgot the normans in sicily

>>3388329
don't try to speak in italian if you are not a native speaker,90% of what you said is gramatically wrong

>>3388257
Doesn't mean much, Sardinia has stayed almost the same and has been:

Settled by indoeuropean bell beakers during the early bronze age (23-19th century bc)

Colonized by the Phoenicians since the late 9th- early 8th century bc, most Sardinian cities are of Phoenician origins

Conquered by Carthage in the 6th century bc

Conquered by Rome between the 3rd and 2nd century bc, with the deportation and killing of over 80,000 highland Sardinian rebels by Tiberius Graccus alone, and some colonies established, some very prosperous like Turris Libisonis

Invaded by the Vandals, albeit for a short period of time and not in great numbers in the 5th century bc

Re-conquered by Byzantines in the 6th century bc

Raided by Saracens from the 8th to the 11th century bc, though not really conquered

colonized by Pisans and Genoans from the 11th century bc

Violently conquered by the Spanish from the Aragona kingdom who razed entire towns to the ground during the war against the local "Giudicato" of Arborea (15th century bc)

Ruled by Piedmont since the 18th century bc

>>3392930
And if you look at their DNA they are (mostly) unchanged from the Nuragic tribes, even the most commons haplogroups are unique to the island
Did they just kill the occupiers once their empire fell?

>>3393052
It's really weird

Cicero hated them and accused them of being degenerated because they had mixed too much with different people, but DNA told us a different story

>>3388879
>Also, just FYI, here in the south we reached 45° during July, while in Germany there were 19° in the Frankfurt area.

The wisdom in this thread would use that fact to explain why there are so many blacks in the Southern USA states