Has an ancient iconic spot ever actually been rebuilt?

>>3383922
No, and IMO i'd rather see ruins that some tacky-ass reconstruction.

>>3383922
Goatfuckers are destroying sites far quicker than they can be repaired, but I think they've rebuilt the Buddhist statues of Afghanistan.

>>3383934
How is it tacky if its an accurate replica down to the materials?

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>>3383934
>I'd rather see ruins
19th century romanticism was fucking cancer. Seriously people finding LITERAL RUINS attractive.

>>3384048
Euros have destroyed more than any brown people.

"b-b-but it happened in the past. it-it doesn't count"

>history board

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>>3383934
A tacky-ass reconstruction

>>3384098
>Euros have destroyed more
Do you mean the Aztecs/Incas? Because I can't think of anything else the Euros destroyed comparable to the sandnigger damage.

>>3384109
>I can't think of anything else

Because your understanding of history comes from /pol/ infographics, you retarded ape.

>>3384111
Enlighten me then.

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>>3384116
>He's asking for enlightenment from an anti-white shitposter on a Mongolian BBQing forum

>>3384101
With no romans nor anyone speaking latin inside, a feeble tourist trap made for the profit. Somewhat disrepectful if you think about it.

>>3384150

why? even when the building was still visited by the direct grandsons and granddaughters of those that had built it, it had already been burned down and rebuilt once, and it would soon become a Christian church before the actual Empire fell, one that never stopped receiving visits from the same inhabitants of the same city for almost two thousand years, people who's language was Roman Latin which slowly became vulgar Latin, then Italian, history kept taking place in there as it does now.

you have this idea of history being a frozen image instead of a continuous thing. Europe is chock-full of ancient constructions that never fell out of use and changed with their inhabitants. Destroying them would be wrong, but rebuilding them would simply be another stage in their history for someone looking at things five hundred years in the future.

I say, rather than have patches of grass and naked rock cooking under the sun like in the circus maximus, we could just mark what was originally there and cut a few new stones to put next to them, taking care to just cover up and never replace.

>>3384109
If we count the modern ideologically driven destruction and theft of artifacts, then WW2 comes to mind or the early "Egyptology".

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>>3384096
Ruins are fucking beautiful, fuck you

>>3383922

Yeah, in modern Alexandria Egypt, sorta kinda. They built a new 'great library of alexandria' it's a modern building but it's meant to be the spiritual successes to the ancient one. It's been having some problems though.

I think I heard that they are building a new 'great lighthouse' too.

>>3384195
>Egyptology
The only reason why a lot of Egyptian shit got restored. The fucking muslims destroyed Sphinx's nose and even tried to blow up the pyramids because they thought it's idolatry.
>WW1
Fair point. But it was European architecture to begin with, and destroying it wasn't the goal, just collateral damage (I think Warsaw was the only exception, sadly). In fact during the Monte Cassino fights the Germans were under strict rules to avoid causing damage to historical objects if possible.

>>3384199
People addicted to destruction are subhumans. You probably love post-apocalyptic fiction too.

>>3384215

They're trying to remake the colossus of Rhodes too

I'm split on Alexandria, of course it's a really pointless quest to try to rebuild the library as it 'might' have been since we have no idea, but the modern building is just not really nice to look at.

Something i think totally SHOULD get restored is the Parthenon, it wasn't seriously damaged until WW1 and it was a really dumb, regrettable fuck up that shouldn't have happened, and we really know exactly how it's supposed to look. Even if a lot of the decoration is lost, for the sake of preserving it i would still rebuild enough of it that it's in a more solid condition, lest there's nothing but the foundations next time they decide to blow it up.

After the first main temple in Jerusalem was burned the Jews built it again. Then it got wrecked and remains wrecked. But for a really long time it was rebuilt.

>>3384249
The damage to the Parthenon occurred in the 17th century not WW1 and the Greeks are currently trying to restore it

>>3384220
>The only reason why a lot of Egyptian shit got restored.
And damaged and stolen.

>The fucking muslims
...kept the pyramids relatively safe for more than a millenium and now protect them against the Salafists.

>I think Warsaw was the only exception, sadly
There were many other, Amber chamber off the top of head or the Soviet disrespect to ecclesiastical buildings.

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>>3384280
>and the Greeks are currently trying to restore it

...they are? that crane has been there for so long i just figured they were only trying to hold it together.

>>3384295
Its part of a restoration effort. Obviously though the Greeks aren't flush for cash so it isn't the fastest moving project

>>3384290
>kept the pyramids relatively safe for more than a millenium
I think they were under the sand and muslims didnt keep it safe

Weird thing they didnt destroy it

>>3383922

Julius Caesar once got this wacky idea that he was going to rebuild Carthage and re-settle it with Romans. It worked out for a while until the Vandals took it over in 429 AD, at which point the city became a launching point for barbarian raids against Italy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Carthage

>>3384290
>stolen
Can't be stolen if it was nobody's property to start with.
>kept the pyramids relatively safe for more than a millenium
Let's see:
>At the end of the twelfth century al-Malek al-Aziz Othman ben Yusuf, Saladin's son and heir, attempted to demolish the pyramids, starting with Menkaure's. The workmen whom Al-Aziz had recruited to demolish the pyramid found it almost as expensive to destroy as to build. They stayed at their job for eight months. They were not able to remove more than one or two stones each day at a cost of tiring themselves out utterly. Some used wedges and levers to move the stones, while others used ropes to pull them down. When a stone fell, it would bury itself in the sand, requiring extraordinary efforts to free it. Wedges were used to split the stones into several pieces, and a cart was used to carry it to the foot of the escarpment, where it was left. Far from accomplishing what they intended to do, they merely spoiled the pyramid by leaving a large vertical gash in its north face.
Basically the muslims attempted to demolish the pyramids completely but were too stupid to figure out how.
>Soviet disrespect to ecclesiastical buildings
Do I have to state the obvious, or will you send me to /pol/ again?

>>3384280
And the Brits stored munitions in there during WW2 which of course led to an accident

>>3384333
That was the Turks actually.

>>3384307

the one fucking thing EU money should be for and they pinch pennies, what a shame.

http://www.news24.com/World/News/Minister-Romes-Colosseum-floor-should-be-restored-20141103

i wish this was done so much too

>>3384333
99% of the damage was caused by the scuffle between the Venetians and Ottomans

Nan Modol - but that wasn't in this cycle of human civilization ;^)

>>3384315
>Can't be stolen if it was nobody's property to start with.
Really makes you think...The Aegyptomania started in times where archeologists were not as strictly regulated as they are now and led to outright looting. But to your defense many Egyptians were not exactely repulsed by British gold either.

>Basically the muslims attempted to demolish the pyramids completely but were too stupid to figure out how.
You mention a single ruler who apparently wasn't even that hell-bent on the destruction. Muslims had shitload of time to do so. If they were exceptional "cultural destroyers" as you make them to be, there would be no pyramids left.

>Do I have to state the obvious, or will you send me to /pol/ again?
Is the obvious thing "Slavs are not white"? Then yes, you don't belong here.

>>3384345
EU money should be spent on getting the Greek economy on track so they can do it themselves

>>3384388
Once again: they didn't know how to.
>Is the obvious thing "Slavs are not white"?
USSR wasn't ruled by Slavs, brainlet.

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>>3384406
>USSR wasn't ruled by Slavs, brainlet.
Oh there were two non-Slavic ruler: a Chuvash who considered himself Russian and a Georgian. Therefore USSR was not ruled by Slavs? And I am a "brainlet"?

Are you an American by any chance?

>>3384222
What's wrong with enjoying ruins? We're enjoying what once was, not the destruction.

>>3384435
>Jews are Slavic
lol
>Are you an American?
Czech.

>>3384345
>the one fucking thing EU money should be for and they pinch pennies, what a shame.
The EU restores historical buildings all the time.

Restoration of cultural buildings is one of the things falling under the structural fonds, which are huge.

>>3384295
When this thing is done are they gonna get the original marbles back or what?

>>3384448
>Jews are Slavic
I know Lenin's gramps was a Jewish convert and Andropov had a Jewish mom. That's imo not enough to call USSR to be ruled by Jews. Or is there something more?

>Czech
>Central European timezone
Does your mom knows you are browsing adult webs at 4 a.m.? Or is she shooting porn?

>>3384317
why does persian architecture get smaller the further in you go?
the entrance alone is nearly the size of the rest of the building

>>3384471
>Lenin was the only person in the entire USSR
http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html
>Does your mom knows you are browsing adult webs at 4 a.m.? Or is she shooting porn?
Go back to /int/

>>3384448
Jew is not a race, retard

They were slavs that converted to judaism

How can exist such stupid people ?

>>3384476
>They were slavs
Shit bait.

>>3384475
>http://www.heretical.com
Sorry, as a good christian I do not want to visit this website. Can you explain to us what did you meant by posting it?

>Go back to /int/
Wew, don't get all worked up by a stupid joke, kid. But seriously, why don't you go to bed?

are you people just too ignorant about ancient architecture and archeology or just too stupid to stay on topic?

>>3384482
It lists the amount of jews in Soviet government.

>>3384443
If you truly enjoyed ancient stuff you would rebuild it.

>>3384482
>But seriously, why don't you go to bed?
I live in China.

>>3384478
Askhenazis vary from Iberian, slavic and germanic and none of them are related to hebrews

Go get a brain, stupid

>>3384488
>It lists the amount of jews in Soviet government.
But anon, there are normal historical books that do so. Why don't you post serious sources for your claims, instead of silly websites?

>>3384493
Sure you do, buddy.

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>>3384215

This abomination is a disgrace

"Library of Alexandria "

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>>3384505
Ashkenazis aren't related to Slavs at all, not even remotely.

>>3384511
>I don't have a single retort, so I'll continue to shitpost and engage in verbal gymnastics
You can hit me up when you find an argument somewhere.

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>>3384528
OK, now go to bed.

>>3384528
Do you actually expect someone to argue with you when your only point is ITZ DA JOOZ LMAO?

>>3384521
There are russian, ukr, pole, belarus jews, they are slav, their ancestor just converted

Wake the fuck up, ffs

>>3384542
Did you not look at the picture I just posted?

>>3384545
Any sauce on that shit?

>>3384545
Anyone can do studies and publish whatever the fuck they want


Why do you people believe that askhenazis are a different race?

Do you believe they are related to hebrews?

Do you believe hebrews behaved the same as askhenazis?

I will never understand you people, you are all so dense like it doesnt that sky is blue, if you believe it is green then you will believe forever

>>3384448
>a czech /pol/ack

Retardation must be sweet bliss anon.

>>3384569
>Do you believe they are related to hebrews?
I don't know if they're Hebrews but they sure as shit are not slavic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#Genetics
A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon-Ostrer et al. stated "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry", as both groups – the Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews – shared common ancestors in the Middle East about 2500 years ago.
>Anyone can do studies and publish whatever the fuck they want
So your source is what exactly, your feelings?

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There's a reconstruction of the Parthenon in Nashville, looks stunning

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Parthenon in Tennessee.

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>>3384583
FUK, you posted that while I was typing.

Here, have Foamhenge.

>>3384581
>>3384581
And guess who made those studies?

>>3384577
I guess I should've said I'm from Swaziland. What does it even matter anyway, it does nothing but derail the discussion.

>>3384614
Probably not Dominicans since you're the only person in there with a computer.

>>3384583
>>3384597
>>3384601
What the fuck is up with the U.S. and tourist traps. I literally cant drive 10 miles without seeing a sign for The World largest ball of yarn or rusted statues of dinosaurs

>>3384623
Lol, that make me laugh and im on phone

A note 4

>>3384601

i wanna play there

wasn't there another site similar to Stonehenge but made of long-gone wood structures? why not remake that?

>>3384624

the US is just a giant Las Vegas where every immigrant wave brings their own wacky culture.

>>3384601
The Parthenon was nice but what the hell is the point of this shit

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Does the Ishtar Gate count?

>>3384630
>the US is just a giant Las Vegas where every immigrant wave brings their own wacky culture
Eastern seboard cities and villages are really nice, midwest is okay, but everything west of the Mississippi is a plastic Disneyland

>>3384636

just a bunch of interesting-looking blobs of plastic you can fool around in and not get scolded at by a tourist guide?

>>3384583
The lighting makes it look awful.
They should at least try and emulate the natural light or candle light that would have worked the original space.

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>>3384648
It's retarded, at least they should've reconstructed what Stonehenge might've looked like when it was still a site of worship.

>>3383922
I remember reading sadam hussein started rebuilding a "new" babylon on top of ancient babylon only to have the US army bulldoze it and entire undocumented archaeological layers of the ancient city for an army base.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-tucker/brutal-destruction-of-ira_b_290667.html

I know huffpost... but it's there if you're interested in reading.

>>3384471
>I know Lenin's gramps was a Jewish convert and Andropov had a Jewish mom. That's imo not enough to call USSR to be ruled by Jews.

Early on it was- Kamenev, Kaganovich, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Dzerzhinsky, Stalin and Lenin were essentially the "ruling" elite of the Bolsheviks, the first four I mentioned are Jews.

>muh Jews autismposting
>in a discussion about the Parthenon

>>3384630
the US is where culture comes to die senpai

>>3384150
>Somewhat disrepectful
Who cares? It's saved.

>>3385029
kaganovich was NOT part of the early leadership. He was promoted by Stalin. You're also leaving out Tomsky, Bukharin and Rykov you fucking idiot. And they're all nonjews

>>3384150
>disrespectful

The corpses of the romans will surely rise up to voice how disrespected they are.

>>3384659
>implying burgers know how to build an original stonehenge

I bet you can't even predict the solstices with that thing

>>3384089
As tacky as a skinny basement dweller wearing a 600 dollar pinstripe suit and fedora.

>>3384295
it's wonderful and sad at the same time

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Honmaru palace is being rebuilt.

Almost done actually. I visited and it was stunning

You could argue AFL is pretty much old fashioned boong ball
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marn_Grook

>>3384116
There was, in a corner of the world, a wonder of the world; this wonder was called the Summer Palace. Art has two principles, the Idea, which produces European art, and the Chimera, which produces oriental art. The Summer Palace was to chimerical art what the Parthenon is to ideal art. All that can be begotten of the imagination of an almost extra-human people was there. It was not a single, unique work like the Parthenon. It was a kind of enormous model of the chimera, if the chimera can have a model. Imagine some inexpressible construction, something like a lunar building, and you will have the Summer Palace. Build a dream with marble, jade, bronze and porcelain, frame it with cedar wood, cover it with precious stones, drape it with silk, make it here a sanctuary, there a harem, elsewhere a citadel, put gods there, and monsters, varnish it, enamel it, gild it, paint it, have architects who are poets build the thousand and one dreams of the thousand and one nights, add gardens, basins, gushing water and foam, swans, ibis, peacocks, suppose in a word a sort of dazzling cavern of human fantasy with the face of a temple and palace, such was this building. The slow work of generations had been necessary to create it. This edifice, as enormous as a city, had been built by the centuries, for whom? For the peoples. For the work of time belongs to man. Artists, poets and philosophers knew the Summer Palace; Voltaire talks of it. People spoke of the Parthenon in Greece, the pyramids in Egypt, the Coliseum in Rome, Notre-Dame in Paris, the Summer Palace in the Orient. If people did not see it they imagined it. It was a kind of tremendous unknown masterpiece, glimpsed from the distance in a kind of twilight, like a silhouette of the civilization of Asia on the horizon of the civilization of Europe.

This wonder has disappeared.

>>3386428
One day two bandits entered the Summer Palace. One plundered, the other burned. Victory can be a thieving woman, or so it seems. The devastation of the Summer Palace was accomplished by the two victors acting jointly. Mixed up in all this is the name of Elgin, which inevitably calls to mind the Parthenon. What was done to the Parthenon was done to the Summer Palace, more thoroughly and better, so that nothing of it should be left. All the treasures of all our cathedrals put together could not equal this formidable and splendid museum of the Orient. It contained not only masterpieces of art, but masses of jewelry. What a great exploit, what a windfall! One of the two victors filled his pockets; when the other saw this he filled his coffers. And back they came to Europe, arm in arm, laughing away. Such is the story of the two bandits.

We Europeans are the civilized ones, and for us the Chinese are the barbarians. This is what civilization has done to barbarism.

>>3386441
Charles George Gordon, who was then a 27-year-old captain in the Royal Engineers and part of the 1860 Anglo-French expeditionary force, wrote about his experience:

"We went out, and, after pillaging it, burned the whole place, destroying in a vandal-like manner most valuable property which [could] not be replaced for four millions...
You can scarcely imagine the beauty and magnificence of the places we burnt. It made one's heart sore to burn them; in fact, these places were so large, and we were so pressed for time, that we could not plunder them carefully. Quantities of gold ornaments were burnt, considered as brass. It was wretchedly demoralising work for an army."

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>>3384518
That shit looks like a air vent cover in an office.

>peter, we need a design proposition before 8 o clock!
>Aw shit, I got nothing.
>see pic related
>Hold up, we got something

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>>3383922
Well, we built an Egyptian pyramid right here in Memphis, Tennessee.

>>3384624
We got lots and lots of highway, and spend a lot of tie getting around on it. So a break is not a bad thing.

PROTIP: You can just drive on by if Rock City doesn't do anything for you.

>>3384630
Yeah, known as Wood Henge, it was a series of concentric circles made of poles stuck in the ground -- maybe had a roof, maybe was a wood-based version of the various stone circles.

The poles long ago rotted away, but archeologists found he sockets they sat in. By measuring dirt compaction and diameter of the socket, they can estimate size and weight of the poles, which gives them, roughly, length. So we know longest poles were at the center, which would fit either the "roofed" or "Stonehenge-analogue" theory.

Also, google up "car henge."

>>3385634
>600 dollar suit

Sounds fucking ghastly, how do off-the-rack people live with themselves?

>>3384659
Or, they could rebuild it the way it looks today, for those who have not had a chance to see the real one.

Hey, here's an idea, why don't you build "Stonehenge as it was!" and we can visit it and admire your work. You could charge us like $5 to get in, so you'd make money.

|Use concrete, though... the Styrofoam blocks at foamhenge are strugglin'.

>>3388010

Bass pro shops are /comfy/ desu

>>3385616
I bet you're wrong. They went to pretty great lengths to make it accurate, stone by stone, including divots and cracks that have accumulated over the centuries.

To the extent the real one still works, the new one probably will as well, once you adjust yourcaluculations for latitude difference.

>>3384220
>>3384290
Warsaw is actually very interesting since the Old Town and some other areas were rebuilt very well... but not to their pre-WW2 state.

Even the Old Town had quite a few 19th and early 20th century buildings, and Warsaw in general had quite a lot of very nice Art Nouveau architecture. It was quite a vibrant city. But few actual records survived, not enough for reconstruction for the most part.

However, there existed a large number of earlier panoramas, paintings of the city and such, especially from the late 18th century.

So much of Warsaw and especially the Old Town was essentially rebuilt to their late 18th century state rather than the 1940s state they were destroyed in.

They did do it very "properly", there were hundreds of architects, art historians, etc. making sure they got it right.

>>3384345
I wish they'd just increase my neet bux allowance and leave the ruins to rot though