Why do Armenians, Kurds, Persians think speaking Indo-European

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a better map
as you can see (f) is not a meme

>>3382473
>>3382765
>South Italians are more shitskin than Greeks
LMAO

>>3382765
>>3382473
What data is show on those figures? What do the numbers represent?

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>>3383112
Here's a secret: none of these morons actually understand what the charts they're posting represent or how they were made.

>>3382914
Modern Greeks have Slavic admixture

>>3383663
The southernmost countries with Slavic admixture down there are Hungary and Croatia. Serbia, Bulgaria, Macedonia are basically complete non-Slavs cosplaying as Slavs, I won't even mention Greeks because there's nothing Slavic about them whatsoever.

>>3383112
Google principal component analysis

>>3382473
i guess i'm greek now
t. tuscan

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>>3384327
That won't actually tell him (or you) anything, you drooling retard. You might as well tell him to google "cluster chart."
He's asking you what the fucking dimensions are and what data it's based on.

>>3384880
you are also at least 1/8th Armenian on average
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105920#pone-0105920-g001

>>3384890
>>3383141
>MY AMERIMUTT ASS IS ON FIRE

>>3384930
>I have literally no idea what I'm posting so I'll try to randomly insult the poster who calls me out on my complete ignorance!

For the record I've never even set foot in America.

>>3384935
dunno whether you're amerimutt or not your IQ is equal to average amerimutt IQ

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>>3384941
>ESL

So have you figured out what is being posted in this thread yet? I mean, besides "colored graphs"
Do you understand why this chart and that chart don't look the same?
>>3383141

>>3383112
PCA tries to reduce dimensions by creating orthogonal axes that explain as much as the variance of the data as possible. Each "dimension" is orthogonal to the others and every observation has a score on this particular axis. There are as many dimensions as there are variables. The first components "explain" more of the variance of observations than the last.

The plots here are "biplots"; given the score of these observations in two of the resulting axes from PCA, they are diagramming the positions of the observations. We are to assume that, because these axes efficiently reduce dimensions, the positions on each concentrate information that was spread on the variables. We don't really know what were the variables, but whoever made this was trying to see how "similar" languages were based on the unknown variables.

I don't really know why they chose dimension 5 and 6 though.

>>3384948
This map >>3382765 calculates mongoloidness, caucasoidness and whiteness (as in skin color and genetic)
stop sperging out amerimutt

>>3384969
also stop posting Dienekes's maps, Dienekes is not even reliable.

>>3384959
>whoever made this was trying to see how "similar" languages were based on the unknown variables.
It's genetic analysis rather than linguistic actually, but it's nice to see someone who actually understands how this works at all.

>>3384969
>>3384971
So you have no idea.

>>3384991
>mutt is still sperging out
>mutt cannot explain why i'm "wrong"
>mutt still spamming dienekes's charts
jesus fucking christ what a retarded subhuman you are

>>3384993
>cannot explain why i'm "wrong"
I never said you were "wrong" (about what? who are you quoting?)
I claimed you have no idea what the charts represent, how they are made, or even what data set they're based on.

>still spamming dienekes's charts
I posted two (2) of his charts in total, before you ever complained about it.
Are you having a psychotic episode or something?

>>3385016
>I never said you were "wrong" (about what? who are you quoting?)
then why are we even arguing here. I posted this >>3382765 to trigger Persians. And the chart as i said actually represents >>3384969 this
i'm not op btw

>>3382765
>Ashkenazi, Cypriot, Sephardic, South Italian
The world would be a better place if someone wiped out that entire cluster from the world.

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>>3384897
>http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105920#pone-0105920-g001
mio antenato

does the proximity between greeks and southern italians indicate a common origin through ancient greeks?
that's the only answer i can find

also how trustworthy and usefull are these charts?

>>3385285
>does the proximity between greeks and southern italians indicate a common origin through ancient greeks?
South Italy was a Greek colony

>>3385021
>then why are we even arguing here

I've seen him post before. He always spergs out when people show him where Persians cluster

>>3385285
They were already similar before the colonization

>>3385285
>common origin through ancient greeks

Through Neolithic farmers

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>>3382473
>>3382765
PCA autosomal DNA is the best way to determine race, since it goes all the way back via one's grandparents. Haplogroups of mtDNA and yDNA say shit. Moreover, bar graphs suck and you need PCA diagrams.

Anyways, this is from a Nature article.

>>3386498
>cluster closer to ANE russians, mordvins, finns, lithuanians etc.
Further proof that Norwegians are the most Aryan of the nordics and not hunter-gatherer whitecel cucks like Swedes and Danes

>>3385812
And Copper age farmers from 3,000 bc

There were different waves

>>3386569
How do you figure when Swedes and Danes aren't on the fucking map? They cluster even closer with Czechs, Hungarians and Croats than with Finns and Russians.
Are you expecting Swedes to have less Finnish and Baltic admixture?

>>3386498
>PCA autosomal DNA is the best way to determine race, since it goes all the way back via one's grandparents. Haplogroups of mtDNA and yDNA say shit.

I wish Armenians would understand this. They can't stop jerking off to their r1b haplomeme

>>3386569
>Further proof that Norwegians are the most Aryan of the nordics and not hunter-gatherer whitecel cucks like Swedes and Danes
No, they're not. They would need to cluster with West Slavs, Finns and Balts more.

>>3386980
>wish people would interpret meaningless mspaint maps my way instead of clearly defined categories
ok

>>3382765
What makes that one better?

>>3387853
You're literally retarded if you believe y-dna or mtDNA is more important in determining descent from ancient populations than autosomal DNA

t.biochemist

>>3382473
>>3382765
Both maps seem to indicate that they are closer to Mediterranean Europeans than most Arabs are. The only ones that appear closer are minority groups like Assyrians and places with historical Roman presence like the Levant and even then it's not too distant. It should also not be uprising that a degree of admixture exists between people who live in relative proximity to each other.

>>3383112
It represent genetic distance(fst)

>>3387853
>Autosomal DNA
>meaningless

>>3387988
Is biochemy a hard subject?

>>3387988


So you're saying that a man that carry R1b-P312 haplogroup and is autosomally Southern European is less Celtic than a man that carry A haplogroup and is autosomally Irish ?

>>3390767

Irish aren't Celtic. Swiss are.

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>>3390791


You didn't answer to my question

Is an autosomally Irish A-carrier more Celtic than an autosomally Southern Euro R1b P312-carrier ?

>>3390767
an autosomally Irish A carrier is pretty much a statistical impossibility, stupid example

but yeah, an autosomally Irish man carrying say I2a1 is still more celtic than an Italian carrying R1b-P312

>>3390812

Not necessarily as Irish aren't Celtic but if they were then yes, ethnicity isn't determined by Y-DNA.

>>3390822

There is a Northern European branch of A1a. Rare, but it exists. Most common in Yorkshire and Finland but doesn't reach a percentage.

>>3382473
Do they?

Why do germanics call themselves european if they destroyed europe civ when they invaded?

>>3390822
So you're saying that a guy whose ancestor are linked to Hallstat Culture is less Celtic than a guy whose ancestor are linked to Paleo-Africans ?

Nice shitposting

>>3390844

So you're saying women have no ancestors as they have no Y-DNA?

>>3390847
A woman does have paternal ancestors, she is just unable to identify them because she does not carry an Y-Chromosome

And you're avoiding the main point again, you impled that Africans are more Celtic than Actual Celts

>>3390855

Y-DNA is not ancestry. The combination of all your autosomal chromosomes is your ancestry.

>>3390867
i wll not bother to explain to you basic knowledge so i will quote FamilyTreeDNA :


>What is Y-DNA?
>Y-DNA is what we call the sex chromosome “Y” that is passed from a father to his sons only, women do not receive a Y chromosome. Testing the Y chromosome allows for investigation into a male's paternal family line and can help identify surname lines, living relatives whose Y chromosome is similar to yours, and ancient migration routes your paternal ancestors may have taken.
>The combination of all your autosomal chromosomes is your ancestry.

Let me guess you believed that you wuz R1a/R1b and you're in fact E

Then let me tell you, if you're E you're not Indo-Europeans but a nigger from the Neolothic whose ancestors were enslaved by Indo-Europeans

>>3390925

Y-DNA tracks down a specific line of descent streching back tens of thousands of years.
Your autosomal DNA is largely independent of this as your have millions of lines of descent other than your paternal one.

If we go with your insane logic, the offpsring of an R1b man and a Congolese woman is 100% "Celtic".

>>3390925
Better being ENF than indonigger

>>3390934
He is paternally Celtic

>>3390944

So? What's the difference to being fully Celtic?

Are you saying autosomal DNA matters?

Y DNA and maternal DNA can tell you certain things that autosomal DNA can't.

>>3390990

Possibly. So? They still don't determine your overall ancestry.

Let's imagine a German with a distant Jewish male ancestor who converted to Christianity 20 generations ago.
Only 1 part in a million(theoretically, actually more likely none because we don't inherit DNA from all ancestors) of his genome would be Jewish.

It wouldn't make a difference for his ethnicity whether he had Jewish Y-DNA or not.

>>3391004

It depends, certain cultures that believe in patriarchy use the male line as a sign of relatedness. Arabs and Chinese do for example, so it makes sense that Hui are their own ethnic group since they descent from a different male line.

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>According to research published in 2004, Adolf Hitler, dictator of Germany during 1933–1945, likely belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup E-M35 ("E1b1b1"), a haplogroup which originated in East Africa about 22,400 years BP.[53]

HOL UP

>>3391026

But those cultures know nothing about Y-DNA, only recent ancestry.

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>>3391030
>Napoleon Bonaparte belonged to Y haplogroup E1b1b1c1* (E-M34*). This haplogroup has its highest concentration in Ethiopia and in the Near East (Jordan)

SO YOU BE SAYIN

>>3391075
All people are patriarchal

>>3391084

>Polynesians
>Swedes
>Native Americans
>Slavs

>>3391102
>Polynesians
>Swedes
>Native Americans
>Slavs

Cuckholds doesn't count

And Celts are patriarchal

>>3391084
Jews aren't

>>3391108
I said cuckholds don't count

>>3391102
Slavs are patriarchal.

>>3391108
Hebrews were Patriarchal and Samaritans still are
Jews are mostly Germanic LARPing as Semites

>>3391127

Meritocratic, if anything. Rurik had no issues with patriarchal Slavs.

>>3391030
>>3391035
Whoa...so this is the power of haplogroups

What are haplogroups good for?

>>3392612

Tracking ancient migrations

>>3392612$
Identifying your ancestors

R1b = Celts
R1a = Slavs, Aryans
A, B, E = Niggers
J = Sandniggers
G = Churkas
N = Steppeniggers

>>3393042
Any more examples of this? Seems pretty interesting and relates to a little hobby of mine.

>>3394731
>Any more examples of this?
I1 = Nordics
I2 = pre-Indo-European Europeans
R1b = Indo-European steppeniggers
R1a = Indo-European steppeniggers
A, B, E = Niggers
J1 = Sandniggers
J2 = Greco-Anatolian
G = Early European farmers
N = Mongols

>>3393042
>>3394828
Cringe

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>>3394828
also
>J2: Greeco-Anatolian
look at all these Greeco Anatolians in Central Asia, Iran, Spain and Sweden :)
I swear you underages make me want to call your father and make him to block you from posting on this website.

>>3394854
literally all the Minoan and Mycaenean samples from Ancient Greece were J2, as well as Illyrian samples from Croatia

>>3394874
so that means they were Uzbek.

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>>3394854
J2 is Caucasian

Iranians, Spaniards, Swedes, Asians are all Ingush Rape Babies

>>3394854
>>3394894
t. urk

>haplofags are retarded
>but it's okay when I post haploshit map
Kill yourself, you unibrow mongrel.

>>3391004
>Paternal Jew converted to Lutherism many genenarations ago
>Will probably have J2 haplogroup depite being white

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>>3395137
Indeed. Many Germans are jewish deep in their roots. Yiddish is a germanic language after all.

>>3383686
There are dna studies about it, you're wrong. Greeks have been slav'd

>>3382765
Dare I say it, that Iberia is the only "white" area in the mediterranean?

>>3382473
Because it does

>>3395526
How?

>>3395244
Lmao
Greeks barely have above 10 % Baltid subgroup in their genome, furthermore Swedish people have like 20-25 %
Most Northern European influence in Greece is North Atlantid (average like 20 percent)