Are they : - Christian - Bad Christians - Not Christian ?

>>3375392
They are Christians, but not human

>>3375392
Bad Christians, by nearly every metric.
I often wonder what kind of jobs these people have, or if they're happy. I don't think being that angry all the time would make them happy.

>>3375826
>I often wonder what kind of jobs these people have

Westboro Baptist specifically makes their money by suing everyone who threatens them or "infringes their rights." If you mean belligerent American protestant fundamentalists in general, they usually live off government assustance and mental jobs they hide from the IRS.

>>3375858
>mental

*menial, obviously

They are bad and they are Christian.

>>3375858
I meant the parishioners in general yeah, I get they are in Kansas and the economy has been going downhill there but they can't all be working at Walmart or fast food joints.

They are bad Christians who ignore the word of Christ.
So, essentially, Protestants

>>3375897
>but they can't all be working at Walmart or fast food joints.

Well yeah, there's also welfare and meth dealing.

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>>3375392
love these people

they antagonize normies and polite society and are endlessly entertaining

>>3375392
They have bad doctrine. I have never heard them preach the gospel, so probably not Christian. This is something that only happens within the individual's heart though, so some might be Christians.

Good Christians, bad people

Bad Christians, average Muslims.

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>This tiny group of retards are the worst Christianity has to offer
>Essentially spout mild Islamic anti gay shit

>>3376060
no I think the worst christianity has to offer is the Ugandans who kill fags. although I've heard this was promoted by evangelical missionaries

>>3376079
You have to grade Africa on a curve. Shit's wild down there for everyone.

>>3375392
Good Christians. Clear to anyone who ever read the Bible.

>>3376091
Wrong, Leviticus is Mosaic Law, and Mosaic Law doesn't affect Gentiles.

>>3376086
But then again, can we compare the actions of Muslims in the parts of the world they operate in to ours considering the civilisational discrepancy?

>>3376096
They're following the New Testament, not Leviticus. Had they followed Leviticus and the jew mitzvot, they would be killing the fags which they clearly aren't doing.

>>3376096
there are NT passages against homosexuality too. in fact I think Paul is the only writer in the Bible to specifically condemn female homosexuality

>>3376097
You can when those places are London and Paris.

>>3376108
Yes, we are to not allow them to unrepentantly live as part of the church.

>>3376111
Maybe, yet some (not me personally) could still argue they bring their medieval bullshit with them and carry it through the enclaves they tend to live in.

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>>3375392
They speak truth to power and in doing so are more Christ-like than most American Christians. They should be heroes to anyone who values free speech.

>>3376123
the main reason I dislike them is that they're total cunts. they literally cannot hold a conversation without constantly interrupting their opponent

>>3376060
Is that because Christianity is different from Islam or secular ideas that has been forced on religion in the west?

>>3376108
>>3376104
Is Paul saying that being a Homosexual is being a sin, or that engaging in homosexual acts is? Because the latter makes sense in a Christian context where wanton lust is sinful. Lesbians and Gay people in the Biblical era couldn't have kids, so there could be no fruitfulness in their union. That's different today.
Even if we accept their doctrine, "God hates fags" I still wouldn't call them good Christians for doing these obviously vitriolic protests. Christ welcomes sinners with open arms. Everyone sins.

>>3376060
And, you know, bombing abortion clinics and murdering doctors

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>>3376136
Their demonstrations are not meant to be conversations and it is a secular lie that if we just reason/debate with each other everything will work out. Jesus Himself often shut down the Pharisees when they tried to bait him into a discussion (for example Luke 20:1-8).

>>3375392

They will be liable at the hand of heaven.

>>3376161
Has it been confirmed that actual members of the WBC did those things?

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>>3376148
Sodomy was condemned and a Capital Crime in some Cities, but as I can figure, one rarely acted on. Monks were pretty gay, too.

Christianity is overall less inherently violent than Islam, because Jesus isn't a warmonger or a lawmaker. All Christian violence is essentially State Violence, so modern Christians can claim Christ as peaceful, despite Christians waging war in Christ's name.

Mohammad did a 180 on his peace talk, and became a violent Conqueror and dictated laws about how and when to horrible kill people, so Islam's claim of peacefulness is a bit unfounded.

>>3376151
>>3376151
What's the point in making a difference in being against outlived homosexuality and passive homosexuality? It's like someone says they agree with freedom of thought, you just have to shut up about it.

>>3376178
based animeposter

>>3376178
the differences between the founders matters little when talking about how it is practiced
>All Christian violence is essentially State Violence
anon are you saying that the Taliban wasn't state violence and isn't still a quasi-state enforcing religious law over communinities they have control of? same applies to ISIS.

>>3376178
It's kind of unfair because none in the new testament ever was in any position of power. Muhammed too was peaceful until moved to mecca and became a leader there. Christianity did a big 180 after Constantine with their prohibition of Pagan religions and persecution of disagreeing brothers in faith.

>>3376199
And of course there's the old testament which is relatively violent.

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>>3376161
Easily the worst, but they are not exactly mainstream or even submainstream, like ISIS.
>>3376168
They were a radical branch of Catholics

>>3376168
I couldn't find anything on any WBC members responsible, my point was more a dig on >picketing being the worst thing American Christians are responsible for

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>>3376178
Islam is a retard religion.

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>>3376220

>>3376181
What's the difference between thinking about cheating on your wife and actually doing it

>>3376193
The difference between the founders makes ALL the difference when those founders are claiming to be God's representative on Earth. The differences between Jesus and Mohammad say everything about the kind of deity each represent.

>>3376199
Jesus had ultimate power from the beginning but the fact that he restrained Himself and still overshadowed Mohammad is telling.

They aren't Christians. God is nobody's enemy, He may be a terror to the wicked, but that terror is not His intent, but rather something psychological.

>>3376161
They're murderers, though. Why do you support the murder of defenceless infants for the mere sake of profit by greedy, absolutely uncaring doctors?

>>3376237
murder doesnt justify murder. different anon btw

>>3376199
You can argue whether or not Jesus would have turned into a Mohammad if he hadn't died, but he did so you can't assume he would.
>>3376193
Enforcing laws dictated by their Prophet, or words believed to be Mohammad's-potentially shaky Hadiths. When Christians waged war, they did so despite the message of Jesus. There wasn't a Gospel of Whoeverthefuck that said Jesus wanted you to conquer Jerusalem if infidels ever got it

>>3376227
it apparently made little difference on how the religion was practiced. anyways we aren't discussing jesus and muhammad, nor are we discussing how christianity should in theory be practiced according to you. we are discussing how people in both faiths actually act in real life.

>>3376237
"Thou shalt not kill" applies both ways.

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>>3376237
>>3376243
This, Christians don't advocate killing abortionists.
You die for Christ, not kill for him

>>3376225
Thinking about cheating on your wife is something you can overcome though, homosexuality not so much.

>>3376262
>Christians don't advocate killing abortionists
are you implying that pro-life activists who kill abortion doctors aren't actually christian even though they are against abortion because they believe it's against the christian faith?

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>>3376248
It makes a huge difference on how each religion is practiced. You're trying to make Constantine the representative of all Christians at all times when only Jesus has that position. The violence committed by both Christians and Muslims are examples of human beings being human but the difference is that violence is doctrinally supported by the Koran (because it is ultimately human in origin) but not by the New Testament.

>>3376243
I'm not justifying murder, I'm justifying action be taken against murderous quacks
>>3376255
>>3376262
Learn to read

>>3376275
>Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?


>Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

>>3376275

Are you implying that you can kill a man while being Christian?

>>3376273
There are homosexuals who go their whole lives without engaging in overt homosexual behavior, e.g. laying with a man. There are also heterosexual men who engage in what some would call overt homosexual behavior, e.g. masturbating to certain types of porn, sleeping with transexuals, etc. Are you saying this heterosexual men should also be put to death?

>>3376279
I can't speak for the person earlier who mentioned Constantine, but I do not think he is representative of all christians, especially not in modern times. however, what he did was not unique for a christian ruler to do, and centuries of christian rulers and priests supported his actions and did the exact same thing.

>>3376286
are yoy implying a christian cannot sin?

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>>3376275
Christian follow Christ's word and teaching. Being against abortion is perfectly reasonable for a Christian. I'm no longer a Christian, and while I still believe Abortion is morally repugnant, I don't want it outlawed or its practitioners killed. Neither do my Christian parents.
When you take it into your hands to slaughter a human being, sinner or not, you defy Christ.

Christ's perception of Capital Offense is painstakingly clear when he tells those about to execute the Adulteress, whose sin warrants her execution in Jewish Law, that he without sin should cast the first stone.

You can call yourself something all you want, but unless you actually are that thing, your declamation is false.

>>3376296
And those people deny their homosexuality so yes, it is anti homosexuality. And according to Leviticus god wouldn't mind it.

>>3376321
Is homosexuality engaging in behavior or is it an innate state of being?

>>3376330
Behavior. All men are born with sinful temptations, and that alone does not make them evil.
Christians against Homosexuality most likely see it as fallow, a waste of God's gift of self propagating life. In the modern age, Homosexuals can have children.

>>3376342
Gotcha, thanks.

>>3376304
What he did is not unique for any political leader to do regardless of their religion. My point is that a religion should be judged by the doctrine it teaches and when its followers deviate from this doctrine the religion cannot be held responsible for that. Human beings are prone to evil but it is ultimately religion that tell us what "evil" is so for Muslims beheading prisoners is not "evil" because Mohammad did it whereas it is "evil" for Christians because Jesus taught His followers to show mercy.

>>3376330
It's a state of being which leads to you wanting to do certain actions, like having hunger makes you eat and being thirsty makes you drink. Again, it's like saying a dictatorship accepts free thought and will just kill anyone who in any way shares their free thoughts.

>>3376342
No, I don't see it as that.