Abolish inheritance

>>3373547
What about people who make poor health decisions?

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>>3373547
No

>>3373547
I want my property to go to my children, I don't want it to go to 350 pound Shaneequa with 7 niglets and critical stage of diabetes.

>>3373547
>Abolish inheritance
If you did all that would happen is that the rich would give more money to their children during their lives and especially in failing health.

>>3373552
It's not like free healthcare means magic medicine. If you fuck up yourself you will still face consequences. But they will exclusively be health related as it should.

>>3373560
Then just give it to them when you're 50. Hopefully you raised them to not be cunts and they won't put you in a home so they can sell the property and buy a car with the money after they split it.

If they do then you did a shitty job raising them and they turned out to be cunts Now suddenly Shaneequa doesn't sound like too bad of an idea just to piss those ungrateful little shits off.

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>>3373552
Where are you people when the military budget is getting discussed? You don't whine when your tax dollars are toppling democratically elected leaders in countries you've never read about.

>"Waaah I won't stand for 3 cents out of MY glorious pocket because some drunk loser might get it."

It's amazing you think of them before kids with cancer, or something. You're that worried about a loser winning something he didn't deserve, more than you care about a winner missing out on something he deserves. It's amazing that you think you're personally being wronged when everyone else would have to pay it too.

But hey, let's have a glorious ancap land where no one pays taxes and the people who horde the most weapons and goons win.

Do you have an argument for inheritance?


>>3373560
Then you don't believe in meritocracy. You believe in feudalistic hoarding of wealth, and you're willing to conjure up some loathsome negro stereotype to defend it.

>>3373563
That is inheritance too.

>>3373598
>Then you don't believe in meritocracy.
I literally never said I did. Meritocracy is a pipe dream and pretty much like communism, it can only exist in theory but never in practice. In practice human will always be nepotists.

>>3373547
Two choices

>Your best and brightest work to provide for their children

>Your best and brightest don't work, and instead focus on burning through all their money before they die.

What do you think would make a better society?

>>3373598
>meritocracy
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJ

>>3373547
Would that be ancap socialist?

>>3373598
So its forbidden to give my wealth to my children / family?

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>>3373609
Interesting. Meritocracy is a pipe dream.

Then why is the chief defenese of inordinate capital accumulation meritocracy, i.e. the egoistic "I earned that" "I built that" "I own this, so I deserve its productive output."

Are these not really meritocracy, but the cries of an animal defending something he or his ancestor took by force in a chaotic power struggle? Is it an orc clutching a bloody heirloom?

Without making an argument that hinges on merit: is Bill Gates earning billions for what his employees and his machines any different than your loathsome Shanaynay caricature applying for some food stamps?

>>3373614
Why do the owners of the means of production deserve the wealth produced by the means of production.

>>3373632
idk. Ideological labels annoy me, but categorization is necessary. I'm not the right person to ask this, probably. But then, none of us are because we're on a Canadian anthill sculpture enthusiast forum.

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>>3373547
>OP wants to steal my family home so he can get free gibs

>>3373598
>That is inheritance too.
No, it's a donation.

I am donating it to my child because it's my money and I felt like it. Alternatively I'll purchase a sheet of paper from my child for $10,000, because it's really really good paper.

>>3373547
OP BTFO!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRpEV2tmYz4

>>3373668
Ask people who believe in meritocracy that.

The crux of Capitalism is, if I work hard for something, I determine what happens to it. If I forge a corporation out of the ground with my bare hands and give it to my weak-willed son who has never done manual labor a day in his life, I have the right to do so.

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>>3373644
In my ideal world, it would be. They should have to scrap for their wealth like you did. It would teach them character and discipline.

I expected more leftypol on /his/

>>3373684
We are lefty but this is just retarded.

>>3373598
Inheritance works because blood is everything. There is no substitute for the family and blood. Not even the most autistic forms of communism were able to break this most primal bond. The fact is that no one wants their kids to start from the bottom of the shitpile because of some retarded humanist idealism. I want my blood to have access to the most resources and not someone else's.

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>>3373675
Outlaw charity and inheritance.

Everyone scraps for what they get, but if they get sick, they're protected.

>>3373683
Could I at least give them a nice cottage house for them to use when they have a job and children?

>>3373692
The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.

>>3373675
>being this much of a shameless semnatics whore
Have some sense of propriety you little tart.

>>3373694
>Outlaw charity and inheritance.

Ok, then I'm buying sheets from his notebook for 10 grand a piece until I'm all out of grands.

>>3373697
If I gave you a knife and told you to stab your brother or your friend to death, which one would you stab?

>>3373668
Stop using terms like "deserve". Nobody deserves anything.

>>3373697
The fact that no one uses this cliche according to its original meaning proves it wrong.

>>3373711
I'd stab you.

>>3373547
yes but abolishing inheritance would also get rid of one of the biggest incentives to make money and would therefore stifle economic growth overall

>>3373711
I don't have a brother but I have a cousin and I would definitely stab my cousin. I have a sister and I love my sister because she's cool, not because she's my sister. If she was a bitch I would stab her over my friends.

>>3373711
I would stab you

>>3373719
>>3373727
Good job copping out, brainlets

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>>3373682
>If I forge a corporation out of the ground with my bare hands
Great man mythos, here we go again
>and give it to my weak-willed son who has never done manual labor a day in his life, I have the right to do so.
This makes an inefficient society.

If you inherit machines and employees from your father, you aren't working for anything.
Your myth here relies on a self-made man, but EVEN the self made man likely purchased means of production with money he inherited from his laboring father. Only large businesses and essential businesses like agriculture get subsidized and ... wait a minute, that's octomom shaQuanda's welfare all over again, innit

Capitalism's crux is feudalistic because it centers on dynastic familes doing good for many generations in a row so they can tread on others. If your dad is a lazy piece of shit, you will not get enough dadgibs to start your own sonbiz

I knew a woman who gave all her money to her piece of shit drug-dealing son but gave none to her daughter in nursing school. Capitalist inheritance is inefficient. It is secular divine right, left largely up to the favoritist whims of the stupid.

>>3373547
>Abolish inheritance
Yeah, because all of my labor should go to people I don't know and am not invested in after I die, redistributed via the state. L I T E R A L L Y the opposite of meritocracy.
>universal healthcare

I work in an ED. I see the fattest, nastiest people come in daily with the same complaints all stemming from lack of self control and self care.

Go away Anthony Weiner, your political career is over.

>>3373552
"If we improve our (blank) system, people will use it more"
Brainlets think this is bad

>>3373716
It really isn't. The friends and alliances you make in life out of your own experience and bonds you form through trials are more important than simple family relations. That does not mean that you cannot form bonds with family just that being family should not automatically trump friendship just because.

Family can be dicks but you didn't pick them. You picked your friends and hopefully you didn't pick dicks, no one likes a dick picker.

>>3373723
>biggest incentives to make money and would therefore stifle economic growth overall
>economic growth for its own sake
Really makes me think

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>>3373734
>would you rather drink Pepsi or Coke
>neither, I'd rather drink water
>THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED!!!!
Ask stupid questions... You're the brainlet here.

>>3373740
>the opposite of meritocracy.
How is it the opposite? Equality of opportunity is impossible with inheritance

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BEHOLD, the true enemy of capitalist meritocracy!

>>3373547
>Start off in poverty, scrape and save all you can in the hope that your children will enjoy a better life than you did
>a bunch of wealthy upper class jewish liberals steal all your money and give it to Shaniqua and her eight crack babies
Get fucked.

>>3373760
>Equality of opportunity
But it isn't a meritocracy since it is given by the state, taken from others who earned it.

>>3373761
Large families break up family fortunes and in 3 generations it will all dissipate into nothing

>>3373547
KYS jewboy

>>3373772
Which is why an inheritance tax is unnecessary.

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>>3373692
Speak for yourself. You are correct that this is animal instinct, but someone of us think beyond that, and in increasing numbers.

Society built to keep animal instinct in check. Taxes themselves do horrible things, but every society with representation through taxation and some sort of social safety net (even the horrible kind reserved for members of the military only ) does better than past societies with inheritance alone. There was a time where there were no public schools. Then there were public schools, and what do you know, literacy shot through the roof. Now they're regarded as inefficient because of the internet and shitty bureaucracy, but it doesn't take a genius to see how public schooling is better than everyone growing up an illiterate turd in bumfuckistan.

It is no coincidence that those who most strongly defend inheritance, are those who have something to gain from it. But it's only gibs if it's Reagan's "strapping young buck" and "welfare queen."

>>3373769
Bitch please, the State is the only barrier that keeps the poor from taking whatever they want from the rich so whining that the State does it is not an argument.

Answer the question. How is removing inheritance the opposite of meritocracy?

>>3373780
spotted the public school teavher

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>>3373712
Fine. This is a fair request. I'll ask the same of you.

Make a case for inheritance and capital accumulation without using "deserves," the concept or the word.

I bet it'll boil down to "might makes right."

And while you're at it.
Make a case against welfare that doesn't use the concept/word "deserves."

Bonus points for that.

>>3373779
A tax for when I die? Well lets just tax me when I fart or eat while we are at it. How about a birth tax too. Or maybe a sex tax since some people can't get any and they're being denied access to sexual experiences. Why should the 1%er sexually attractive chads horde the sex! We need it redistributed equally for equality's sake while giving ugly people access in a meritocracy.

>>3373792
Because the person who makes money deserves to choose who to give to when he dies.

>>3373738
>Capitalism's crux is feudalistic because it centers on dynastic familes doing good for many generations in a row
Nothing wrong with that anon, thats how society, and ultimately civilisation are built

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>>3373723
This is a fair argument. I like this better than most in the thread. Really lays bare the shitty, narcissistic nature of people though.

I'd rather give money to someone I don't know who displays critical thought, gumption, and intelligence than someone whose main quality is that they came out of my dick.

>>3373799
I want my children to inherit my property. That's my case.

>>3373792
Because meritocracy itself is an artificial idea describing the value of labor, essentially as a baby you were born and provided everything up until your late teens to early twenties, you earned nothing, no one has. The foundation of the family has always been the method of providing for means to children, why should that cease upon my death?
You're just using a major life event and my inability to represent myself as an opportunity to strip myself of wealth and where I should determine it to go.

>>3373808
Not an argument. Whether or not a dead person still gets to own property and able to delegate them doesn't make it any less or more meritocratic

Let me repeat my question one more time, how is removing inheritance the opposite of meritocracy?

>>3373820
>I'd rather give money to someone I don't know who displays critical thought, gumption, and intelligence than someone whose main quality is that they came out of my dick.

You don't have children then, because if you did you would understand what it means to invest your heart and 18+ years of your life rather than describing it as "out of your dick". I mean, you've surmised raising the next generation of Americans as merely a sexual act, you are either a nigger or a teenager.

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>>3373810
Fine, but honest capitalists would own up to Capitalism's feudalistic nature. It's nearly always marketed as "meritocratic" and built on "rugged individualists." Perhaps this is part of the consolidation of power by the dynastic people.

>>3373792
>Bitch please, the State is the only barrier that keeps the poor from taking whatever they want from the rich so whining that the State does it is not an argument.
So I guess they have full communism in Somalia? Since state doesn't exist.

>>3373848
Well, feudalism is the way to go, and always was the way to go. Both capitalism and communism were invented by bourgeoise jews hiding behing the pipe dreams of merit (capitalism) and ending exploitation (communism).

>>3373828
Well if you are willing to admit that the current system we live in is not meritocratic nor do captialists like yourself ever want it to be so then there is no issue. I am sick of those advocates who pretend that meritocracy exists now when it doesn't and never going to be under current conditions

>>3373848
>Capitalism's feudalistic nature.
Unless you abolish the family unit every government system with have a "feudalistic nature" seeing how children will always be born and raised under the opportunities their parents provide.

>>3373839
>Not an argument.
How so?

>Whether or not a dead person still gets to own property and able to delegate them doesn't make it any less or more meritocratic
Of course it does. Since you are literally depriving him from his merit after he dies.

>Let me repeat my question one more time, how is removing inheritance the opposite of meritocracy?
Well read the post you just responded to, brainlet.

>>3373746
>The friends and alliances you make in life out of your own experience and bonds you form through trials are more important than simple family relations.
>Your drinking buddies are more important than your children.
No.

>>3373850
[whataboutism intensifies]

itt: OP realizes the arguments regurgitated on reddit are dumb and merely political propaganda.

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>>3373846
> You don't have children then, because if you did you would understand what it means to invest your heart and 18+ years of your life

Any number of things can and do happen to interrupt this intimate and important process. Many of which involve stress and fatigue brought on by being a wage laborer earning someone else's profits for them.


> I mean, you've surmised raising the next generation of Americans as merely a sexual act,

Forgive my flippant speech.

>you are either a nigger or a teenager.

Always with the contempt for blacks. Anti-virtue signaling. "I am an intellectual, behold, I condemn Jamal and the swarthy hordes. Lavish praise upon me. If you disagree with me, you MUST BE one of them."

You "must be" a cockroach. You haven't the courage to approach one of those niggers you have so much contempt for.

>>3373865
One of the very goals of communism is to abolish the family and have children raised communally by the state.

>>3373871
confirmed what I already know, you literally have no idea what the concept of merit is. Meritocracy is not self determination, but a system of equality of opportunity that rewards the best. Read the Rise of Meritocracy by Micheal Young by spewing your ignorance in a discussion thread

>>3373754
It's not a stupid question moron, it's a binary question that seeks to establish which of two undesirable outcomes is least desirable.

>Would you rather die in your sleep or be torn apart by wolves?
>HURR I'D RATHER NOT DIE
Congratulations you now get to be woken from a sound sleep and pleasant dreams by a pack of wolves tearing you apart, enjoy your doubly unpleasant death you indecisive faggot.

>>3373547
You are retarded.

Stop being that way.

>>3373900
>confirmed what I already know, you literally have no idea what the concept of merit is.
Not an argument.

> Meritocracy is not self determination, but a system of equality of opportunity that rewards the best.
Not really, meritocracy is not a centralized "system", it's just the idea that men should be free to own what they build.

>Rise of Meritocracy
His book was satire you retard, you're not supposed to agree with his view of meritocracy.

Go get a lobotomy, it might make you smarter.

>>3373874
That's not whataboutism. You're saying that the state is the only thing preventing the poor from killing the rich. But there's a place called Somalia where the state stopped existing and this didn't happen, instead the rich got even more powerful. You're basing your opinion on theories and moral values, I based mine on empirical facts that happened.

>>3373668
>why is the chief defense of inordinate capital accumulation meritocracy
your definition of inordinate and decision to strawman are the only things that needs defending

>his ancestor took by force in a chaotic power struggle
you really don't understand what labor is huh?

>>3373780
>It is no coincidence that those who most strongly defend inheritance, are those who have something to gain from it
[citation needed]

>>3373780
>Lel you're all operating on le animal instinct! Not me xD I'm RATIONAL
I didn't even argue against taxes proper. I understand that investing in society will increase the total economic output, especially one where there has been successive centuries of growth in infrastructure, technology, and institutions which creates stakeholders across all levels of society.
Btw better performing students will be from wealthier families who can afford the best tutors and private schools like American WASPs AND families which are actively involved in their children's education, like South and East Asians and Nigerian diaspora.

>>3373908
Good thing the real world isn't just binary choices then. And I agree with those guys, you give me a knife to stab people I love and I would stab you instead, straight up.

>>3373890
>Always with the contempt for blacks
A contempt well-earned, much like my contempt for Red animals like yourself.

>>3373928
>it's just the idea that men should be free to own what they build
>a society governed by people selected according to merit.
So very wrong


>you're not supposed to agree with his view of meritocracy.
Whether or not you agree with him, it doesn't discount the fact that he invented the word and his criticism of it is valid, satirical or not

>>3373792
>the State is the only barrier that keeps the poor from taking whatever they want
why do you assume poor people are morally bankrupt? Is it your implicit elitism?

>>3373890
>Many of which involve stress and fatigue brought on by being a wage laborer earning someone else's profits for them.
So you expose your communist bent
> "I am an intellectual, behold, I condemn Jamal and the swarthy hordes.
Racism and intellectual understanding are not mutually exclusive
>Forgive my flippant speech.
No can do, it offhandedly confirms this anon's post >>3373895

Communism IS feudalism, in capitalism at least you have the opportunity to advance, in communism eventually the state is what offers you any chance at advancement. The politburo becomes the new aristocracy, the intellectuals the new clergy.

>>3373963
>Whether or not you agree with him, it doesn't discount the fact that he invented the word
So what? Libertarian used to mean leftist, liberal right wing, and now the meanings have switched. Get with the times.

Also do you not agree with his dystopian view of meritocracy? Then why are you busting my balls, you fucking nigger?

>>3373930
>Somalia
The State didn't stopped existing but got vastly weakened. Did the military, police, courts and other institutions suddenly disappeared?

>>3373985
>Did the military, police, courts and other institutions suddenly disappeared?
Actually yes it did. For most of the 90s the Somalian state existed only on paper and was represented only by some random faggots in exile.

>>3373952
>Good thing the real world isn't just binary choices then.
I'm afraid you'll find quite a bit of it actually is anon.
>Quick or dead
>Male or female
>Winner or loser

>>3373983
>words means whatever what I want to mean now to win arguments
wew lads.

I argee with his criticisms of those who preach and pretend that meritocracy is achieveable under captialism. Young himself admitted that he approved of the concept, but found those who often use it in their rherotic are merely paying lip service to the idea and undermines it

>>3374001
>>words means whatever what I want to mean now to win arguments
No, they mean what the general consensus is about their meaning. I can claim that the word "blue" means red, but I'd be an idiot if I demanded everyone to accept that, just like you're being an idiot to want everything to subscribe to your very narrow definition of meritocracy, which is not the standard definition.

Now go kill yourself, Jew.

>>3373547

It's not possible, people would just give their offspring stuff before they died

A billionaire's parent would just build a whole sham business that only exists to pay their kids ridiculous salaries

>>3373779
It largely isn't. I'm just saying that if you want your descendants to live on a similar level of affluence, you keep your wealth largely centralized. Of course, this means your other children will get fucked and your main heir will get almost everything.

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>>3373994
>Male or female
>a choice
Who could be behind this post?

>>3373992
So literally the military was disbanded and their weapons destroyed, their administrators quit their jobs and burned their offices? The apparatus of the State still exists and taken over by other fractions from the incumbent

>>3374016
Yes, literally all of that happened. How many times are you going to ask? You insufferable reddit faggot.

>>3374008
I literally quoted the dictionary defintion and refered you to the person who created that word. It seems that the 'general conseus' includes you and only you. Now either shut the fuck up or present me an arguement. How is abolishing inheritance the opposite of meritocracy?

>>3374023
Then why are there still armed and orgnaized conflicts in that region and automous regions formed? You are probably right in that the Federal Repulic of Somalia is non-existent but that doesn't mean that Somalia is stateless

>>3373983
Liberals were originally considered left wing. I'm talking about (((classical liberals))) like Smith and Bastiat. Right wing used to mean monarchist while left wing were all these egalitarians, liberals, capitalists and other fucking sodomites.

>>3374046
Because anocracy usually develops in an anarchy.

>>3374032
>It seems that the 'general conseus' includes you and only you
If you went out of your mom's basement once in a while you'd see that's incorrect.

>How is abolishing inheritance the opposite of meritocracy?
Well, I guess according to your definition of a totalitarian dystopian state, it's not, it's perfectly logical.

Now go back jerking off to trannies or whatever it is you leftypol types do.

>>3374046
>Then why are there still armed and orgnaized conflicts in that region and automous regions formed?
Precisely because of the state collapsing.

>>3374014
Obviously I meant in the sense of options available when purchasing a slave anon.
:^)
>I choose a EUNUCH!!:DDD
A castrated male is still a male, now get out of my tent you sick fuck. Go see Abdul across from the wine-merchant, he has eunuchs.

>>3374056
>Go see Abdul across from the wine merchant
No thanks anon I left western Europe specifically to get away from Abdul.

>read first 5 posts
>seems fairly on topic
>scroll to end of page
>completely fucking derailed
Good job guys for not turning this into /pol/

>>3374068
Sorry for the triggering, leftypolack.

>>3374068
See you after your ban expires.

>>3374070
>>3374071
I love how you stupid faggots think I'm from leftypol or even OP

>>3374052
I live in a supposed 'meritocracy' senpai

>Taking a satricial protrayal of meritocracy literally
Not the first time a right winger can't understand satire but okay

>or whatever it is you leftypol types do.
>Being this mad that you lost an argument that you resort to red baiting
Shhh it is okay senpai

>>3374084
You're not fooling anyone, leftycuck

>>3374087
>I live in a supposed 'meritocracy' senpai
Oh, you live in a country with a meritocracy as described in Young's book? No you don't.

>>3374053
>>3374052
Again the fall of the imcubent state doesn't mean the region is stateless, only that the masters have changed

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>>3374104
>it's not stateless because of my autistic snowflake definition of what state is
Yes anon, obviously it can't be stateless because everyone knows the destruction of state can only lead to peaceful utopia of equality and tolerance. Now go take your meds.

>>3373547
>abolish inhertance

ok, that leads to extremely hedonistic lifestyles where the parents spend all their money on shit they don't need, because their effort today isn't bringing about a better tomorrow for their kids.

this is such a gay thread

>>3374097
I live in a country that likes to call itself meritocratic. Of course I don't mean the one in Young's book, hence the quotation around 'meritocracy'. Are you really that autistic or being needlessly adversarial?

>>3374056
You really are a tranny. Don't even try to deny it because it's obvious.

>>3374120
>I live in a country that likes to call itself meritocratic.
Nigger you just busted my balls for ten posts about subscribing to Young's definition of meritocracy and now you're saying it's subjective? Kill yourself my nigger.

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Meritocracy is only possible in communism

>>3374118
>gets btfo of argument via the definition of the State
>better whine about anarchy being shit instead
So we are back to whataboutism again. Kek

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>>3373940
Yeah, you're right. It's mostly people who are made to think they have something to gain from it, but in all actuality do not.

>>3374134
>state
>a nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government
Somalia in the 90s didn't fit that category. You're British aren't you? Only Brits are this dumb and completely obtuse.

>>3374131
Meritocracy is not possible anywhere.

>>3373598
>Where are you people when blah blah blah
You didn't answer my question. You just spouted a bunch of nonsense.
Explain to me how universal health care, and really all your socialism, takes inefficiencies into account.

>>3374127
Please improve your reading comprehension. I have not said it was subjective. My country likes to label itself as meritocratic as Young coined the term but its actions says otherwise. And no Young's dystopia is not a example of meritocracy but a system that has becomes unmeritocratic under the pretense of trying to acheive it. All of this would have been obvious if you read it hence I strongly suspected you never did.

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>>3373978
>So you expose your communist bent
Yes, call me a commie, that'll make my arguments and ideas go away.
>Racism and intellectual understanding are not mutually exclusive.
Both can exist simultaneously in a person, yes..

>Communism is feudalism
Communism has nothing to do with divine right, royalty, or the dictatorship of a king. Communism is a stateless classless society in which the workers own the means of production. But hey, let's not consult definitions, let's consult shitty corrupt states from halfway through the 20th century.
> in capitalism at least you have the opportunity to advance,
Advancing relies on disparity, theft both overt and subtle, and inheritance.

>>3373547
Your plan is to create a free market utopia by constraining the free market?

>>3374142
And the Somalian state spintlered to smaller ones. This isn't the first time where a country engages in civil war or tribal warlordism or why pretend Somalian is in political anarchy?

>>3374139
I'm confused are we talking about inheritance or economic redistribution?

>>3374159
>Yes, call me a commie, that'll make my arguments and ideas go away.
Sadly, nothing short of violence will make your "ideas" go away Red.

>>3374164
That's not what happened. State didn't exist, there was a vacuum of power which was filled by warlords.

>>3373547
that greatly devalues everything though, because it can't be passed down,
and will only be worth anything to the owner while they live.
and what's more, who is the state to say that earned belongings can't be passed down?
and even then, it's easy to skirt this by just giving your family free stuff before you die.
here are the real problems we face:
>obtaining sustanance
>obtaining pleasure
>suriving long enough to use it
as far as i can tell, the only real solution to our problems is genetic engineering so that we can make these all non-issues.

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>>3374146
You're essentially asking who watches the watchmen. I'm more than willing to admit I have no good answer. My best answer is "create circular systems of mutual accountability instead of hierarchical systems of decreasing accountability." but there is no implementation without cooperation, and there is no cooperation without consensus, and there is no consensus with ideologues present.

In Socialism corruption is corruption. In capitalism it is handwaved as "market forces."

In Socialism starving is the fault of socialism, even when it is caused by international trade policy and a conspiracy by Capitalists wishing to give socialism a bad rap so they can point and say "behold, failure. Come back to papa."

>>3374179
>wah nothing is every our fault
Fuck off you utopian monster.

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>>3374173
And I am supposed to be the extremist.

>>3374179
>caused by international trade policy and a conspiracy by Capitalists wishing to give socialism a bad rap so they can point and say "behold, failure. Come back to papa."

can you give me examples of this situations

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>>3374174
It did but it collasped but other smaller state/warlords took over.

>>3374190
If you weren't an extremist there would options other than violence to make you go away.

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>>3374188
It is amazing that you can reduce so many words to what you wish to hear, and take what you wish to hear, place it in my mouth, and use it to reduce me to a monster. You are so plainly and unabashedly engaged in a straw man form of argumentation I am not sure it is even worth mentioning.

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All of us agree about this, right?

>>3373779
Not only that, it's also wrong. You're taxing wealth that's already been taxed.

>>3374198
So the collapse wasn't followed by poor people killing the rich, but by rich people filling the power vacuum and becoming more powerful. Which was exactly my original point you fuck.

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>>3374205
No

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>>3374210

>>3373612
Who in their right mind honestly believes that the "best and brightest do it for the children"? I understand that you're trying to make a facile point here, but the fascination with the accumulation of wealth is a purely psychological phenomenon on the level of getting a high score in the game of life. Ask any billionaire, they couldn't give two fucks if their children receive all the billions they didn't earn after they die.

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>>3374199
I have done nothing but speak to you, and you have done nothing but speak to me.

We speak freely, for we have free speech.

>>3374210
>Kropotkin
>EVERYONE IN EUROPE IS EVIL BOURGEOISE BUT WE MUST SUPPORT ENGLAND AND FRANCE IN WW1 BECAUSE THEY'RE THE GOOD EVIL BOURGEOISE LMAO
Can't take that faggot seriously.

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>>3374205
>religious dynastic racially homogenous incest babies ruling over everyone for hundreds of years because their distant ancestors outwitted their fellow farmers is better than modern forms of government where people have opportunities to advance.

No thanks

>>3374204
>and take what you wish to hear, place it in my mouth, and use it to reduce me to a monster.
I didn't place socialism in your mouth, that was you anon, so don't blame me for making you a monster.

>>3374228
>their distant ancestors outwitted their fellow farmers
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HE THINKS HE UNDERSTANDS EXECUTIVE POWER

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>>3374228
>racially homogenous
How horrifying!

>>3374218
>We speak freely, for we have free speech.
Until your kind take over, then off to the gulag I go!

>>3374234
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
he thinks feudalism starts with executive power, rather than one family emerging from a random power struggle

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>>3374239
>ignores rest of post
>focuses on race

You took the bait sonny

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>>3374228
>modern forms of government where people have opportunities to advance
>no inbred dynasties here goy
Imagine being this bluepilled

>>3374228
My ancestors were nomadic raiders though, not farmers. They subjugated the farmers.

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>>3374244
HAHAHAHAHHA
he thinks feudalism starts with anything other than one family emerging from a random power struggle with more stuff and a big house

it's called FEUDalism for a reason you turdmonger

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>>3374228
What if I told you you, that you had the same probabilty of rising up into the international economic elite as a feudal serf had of rising up to become king?

>>3374249
imagine needing to rely on pill means and pepe signaling instead of real arguments

>>3374209
And it doesn't disagree with mine since I said that the State is the only barrier, and the change in Somalia is only from a bigger State to a smaller ones, not the total disappearance of it

>>3374263
What if I told you I'm OP and I agree, and that's the whole premise of my fucking thread.

Socialism > Capitalism >>>>>>>> Incest castle land

>>3374264
Imagine ignoring the point of the post because you can't refute it and instead get triggered by the language.

Capitalism is fucking fine everything is fucking fine just chill

>>3374223
Oh please let's not pretend he was the only one practicing the lesser evil bullshit

>>3374269
I don't see how your disallowing inheritance increases my probability of becoming king anon.

>>3374263
A dumbass like you has no chance, he does. Stop projecting, all it takes is a single ritual to become worth hundereds of millions

>>3374258
Feudum means cattle.

>>3374267
But the warlords didn't operate in a state framework. Unless you think any sort of hierarchy can inherently be called a state in which case you're shit for brains indoctrinated anarchist and I shouldn't even bother replying to you.

>>3374274
>whataboutism

>>3374258
>random power struggle
>>3374244
>random power struggle

sounds like anarchy to me

>>3374179
>I'm more than willing to admit I have no good answer.
Fair enough. Growing up with dysfunctional adults, I'm a firm believer that the stupid should have a significantly lower standard of living.
I simply can't get over the idea that self-destructive and dysfunctional people will have the consequences of their actions mitigated at the cost of the public. While I believe there should always be a path for someone to change and better themselves, a ladder of sorts to escape the hole they dug themselves, those who refuse to change should be allowed to rot.

>>3374277
Magick is cheating, and outside the purview of this discussion.
>>>/x/

>>3374281
>describes the state as a compulsory political organization with a centralized government that maintains a monopoly of the legitimate use of force within a certain territory
Did they had borders and a miliatry? A cruder and simpler state sure, but still a state.

>>3374310
The propterty my house stands on has borders, is my house a state now?
>a military
No they didn't, but your definition of military is probably "people with guns" in which case everything could be called a state, so it's pointless to argue with you.

>>3374285
If I came off that way then it is my bad. But mocking him for trying to reconcile his ideology with the political reality by choosing the lesser evil doesn't make the former any less sound

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>>3374274
just like when stalin made a pact with hitler, he was practicing the lesser evil bullshit too, right?

>>3374307
economics is purely made as an explanation for the moral-law-code as described by God. Money and wealth is intrinsically tied to theology

>>3374321
How was England, France and Russia the lesser evil compared to Germany and Austro-Hungary? Even Malatesta called him a fucking faggot for picking a side in that conflict.

>>3374312
No since your house is also within the boundry of your State and they got bigger guns than you.

>in which case everything could be called a state
No see above

>>3374332
So no, Somalian warlords didn't really have a military.

>>3374323
Yes wow, it is almost as if realpolitik often involves choosing the lesser evil even at the expense of one ideology. Really makes me think
>>3374331
desu Idk, I actually also think they should have never picked a side. I just found your attempt to discredit his ideology via his attempts to realpolitik to be fucking stupid

>>3374340
It was in direct reply of the retarded quote you posted.
>hurr we called feudalists bad guys so why can't we call capitalists bad guys
>but also Russia and England are the good guys while Germany is bad xD

>>3373547
Literally what is the point for working for anything if you are not allowed to hand it down to your kids and your family for inheritance.

Actually kill yourself. It's is actually the opposite and you cannot refute me on this. If nepotism was actually enforced in a more efficient sense and families were generally encouraged to stay with their professions then the unemployment rate would be much, much lower. This doesn't stop people form experimenting and choosing a profession outside your families, but if you are employed in a company and your child is looking for work, the first place they should be able to get hired if proven competent is with your father, not because he is your dad but because it gives you a direct link to employment. In a sense family member proven to be competent should be placed over randoms who walk in through the street, in an enforced legal sense.

Implement this and watch unemployment kill itself.

Inheritance is a human right, think about knowledge.

>>3374364
well that does make a degree of sense

>>3374354
And he supported them coz they were the lesser evil. So?

>>3374381
They weren't a lesser evil.

>>3373547

Should we also raise children communally to account for the un-meritocratic advantage of having good parents?

>>3374190
You're advocating for a system that has categorically failed, I would say that it comes close to fitting.

>Hey dudes work hard for the capitalist economy! You can't provide for your children or your family legacy tho.
Wow OP, great plan.

>>3374383
Yea I agree but that is what he thought so his response was acceptable.

［spoiler］Are you a fellow accelerationist too? ［/spoiler］

>>3373547
capitalism and meritocracy and inherently opposed concepts

>>3373547
fuck off, i would fight to the death against such a disgusting system, MY children are ME, they continue where i left of, end of story, non negotiable

anyone who advocates this should be castrated

>>3373547
Why stop at healthcare?
Let everyone have all their material needs fulfilled.
If mechanization advances enough, we could have everything essential manufactured by robots so that eventually you only need to work for luxuries.
[spoiler]And finally we will achieve communism[/spoiler]

>>3374228
>religious dynastic racially homogenous
wow, the HORROR

#killwhitey
#blacklivesmatter

How would you even legally mandate inheritance illegal?

I can already think of 3 ways of getting around it.

This is a stupid idea and anyone who thinks it is either poor or a fucking moron.

>>3373711
I'd stab all three and leave no witnesses.

>>3374416
This is what public education should be there for.

>>3374613
I guess you're not fit to live in a meritocratic society. People like you should be confined in forests and woods.

>>3373694
This is practically impossible to implement

An inheritance system doesn't really discourage a meritocracy? Just because some rich faggot can juke the system by having a rich daddy doesn't mean that 99% of the rest of the population doesn't operate on a merit based system (more or less). Universal health care also wouldn't really help, it would help some people who deserve, but also many who don't. Universal health care is like giving free hand outs to EVERYONE, in a merit based society you would only give free health care to those who earn it, right?

>>3373547
Nuclear family, retard.

>>3373598
>That is inheritance too.
Why do people, with no knowledge of law, go around posting their wacky ideas on this board?
Or even the subject for that matter?
What would happen to property then?
You're legally, economically, philosophically and sociologically illiterate.
What's the point of economics at all then? You're getting into some major broken window fallacy.
A greater debate would be the conflict between one's right to name inheritors vs the societal need for children to be secure.
You get rid of inheritance, you may as well bring us back to the stone age.

>>3373547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7CK6tqJ2LM

>>3373547
Abolishing inheritance for liquid assets over a certain threshold (eg. $500k) and real estate over maybe a million might be alright.

Abolishing it completely is fucking retarded though. I shouldn't have to give up the family farm that my great grandparents built to someone who doesn't know or appreciate the history of the place.

>>3373577
>current opioid epidemic
>"nah this isn't too much dope, don't you know every first responder carries narcan and it's free?"

>>3374895
So if my house is worth two million and I die, what happens to the house? Confiscated by the state?

>this fucking read

Most sane and rational workers want inheritance to remain for the exact same reasons why every society criminalises theft

You literally fucking gave up the only thing you have - life and time, to earn that stuff

Theft - stealing someones time and life
I heritance tax - stealing someones life and time after they die
Banning inheritance - youd be strung up and shot for bejng a fucking rat thief

Good effort OP, tho I doubt you made many of these retards think.

t. Fellow Commie

>>3374961
im not even a commie and op got my noggin joggin a bit, shame most of the responses were strawmen and hyperbole

>>3374930
Probably some sort of transfer fee. Can't really tax it because it's not a sale, and the owner would be paying property taxes still.

>>3374895
>>3374930
Or just go after private property instead of personal. Duh

Society will stop functioning if you can't pass property and money to your children. People will stop working hard and just do enough to survive.

>>3374930
It'd be taxed at some progressive rate above a million. If your kids can cough up the shekels, they can keep it.

>>3375008
>even thinking there's a difference
Fuck off marxtard

>>3373895
public education is already shit, why would anyone entrust their children with the state. also how would these children develop mentally with no father figure or mother figure

>>3374267
so essentially when a state collapses the people once part of that state simply form new states?

> >3373738
Excuse me, but octomom was whiter than white bread. So was her old man.

Oh but you racist little fagitos cannot fathom a white person having 8 kids, can you? No, it has to be a black woman.

>>3373547

If we lived in a true "meritocracy" all positions in society would be determined by test scores that anyone can take at any time.

>>3375177
>test scores
meritocracies were determined in the west by who was the best soldier

>>3375174
>Octomom
>Natalie Denise Doud-Suleman(bornNadya Denise Suleman)
>Iraqi Arab ethnically
>In 1996, Suleman married Marco Gutierrez
Wew Doud Suleman and Gutierrez, nothing but white people here goy!

>>3375177
Passing a test is not merit you fag

>>3375023
>People only work hard for their children, never for themselves.

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>>3375186
Fucking hell, reading about her on Wikipedia...

>single mother, unemployed, on benefits
>fourteen (14) kids, all done by IVF
>later worked as a stripper
>got her mum to look after the kids

>>3373547
You are correct, in a sense. Were humans simply work-machines with some random variation in their ability to work in a given field, whose only motivation was work for work's sake, it would not make sense for the work-machines to be able to give a headstart to the additional work-machines that they happen to personally create along the way, as that would make it more difficult to see which work-machines are most suited to which field. However, people are a hell of a lot more complex than that. Any ideology that one might hope to implement has to have some level of support with the masses. Really it would be so difficult to police that you'd have to have some hellish Stazi-esque organisation looking over everyone's shoulder, and we know how popular that is. Or else you'd have to try to forcibly separate people from their children which would honestly result in your corpse being torn to pieces by a vindictive mob. Judging people entirely on merit strengthens an institution but you must realise that some merit can be imparted by the quality of one's upbringing, and this should be embraced rather than avoided: all positions should be awarded based on how suited the individual is to the position based exclusively on assessment of their personal characteristics, with blindness to race, family, and wealth; at least in businesses which are large enough to matter. If the fact that one candidate was raised by two parents who both were experts in the field and taught him everything they know, then the outcome will be that he has the most merit for the position. Who'd a thunk. This is perfectly achievable and would not result in any more than mild unrest, if any, upon implementation.

I do agree that state institutions should provide as even a starting point as possible, but for a society to function and outcompete other societies, the state needs to focus on providing merit to those with a rough start, rather than pushing down those who started well.

>>3375213
>>3375186
her kids look white and gutierrez isnt fhe father of the kids

i found her very hot, she looks like she is very feltile

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>>3375351
>her kids look white
To a Dominican, maybe...

>>3373547
>A true meritocracy lets the government steal your money to pay other people's healthcare!

&humanities hard at work, I see

>>3375140
In this case, yes. If there weren't a state then the poor would have killed the rich. That didn't happen so there must be a state.

watch birthrates plummet. its already low as fuck in western countries.

>>3373547
>Waaaaa! Give me free money!

>>3375404
Wow, it's almost as if people prefer the existence of a military force interested in ensuring their survival to true anarchy!
Putting food on the table and not getting murdered matters a whole lot more to everyone, including "the poor," than any ideology.

>>3375407
OP is probably a woman, she thinks men don't care about having their own children, she thinks because she gives birth to them they are hers alone and everyone should care for her children and raise them for her while men should have none and should care for all

>>3373547
>Having to struggle with health problems you can't afford to mitigate does not a meritocracy make.

Almost all healthcare problems are born from personal choice

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>>3374657
>I guess you're not fit to live in a meritocratic society. People like you should be confined in forests and woods.
no, people like YOU should be confined to forests and woods, back to your natural state as hunter gatherers

civilization belongs to the civilized, you need to get out of OUR civilization, WE built it, communists have never built anything, you are parasites

>>3375556
>Almost all healthcare problems are born from personal choice
A lot are, but 'almost all' is a bit of a stretch.

>>3373560

>implying you have children
>implying they won't put you in a home once you start seeming senile
>implying they'll ever love or even cherish you

Kek

>>3375571
It really isn't.

>>3375578
How do you figure? Are you including accidents and other unforeseeable things?

>>3373711

You, then myself, then the camera man

Sorry that you have no friends anon, but I would surely stab my fucking cousin over my best friend

Blood is fucking nothing. I love my parents because they are the greatest. If they told me I was adopted I'd shrug and go back to how things were

>>3373740

>fat people exist therefore everyone who is poor should die from utterly preventable bullshit

I hope you die you dumb fucking subhuman

>>3373804

You are being taxed when you eat you Goddard retard, because everything in a supermarket comes with a tax. As do cigarettes and booze. There's even countries where condoms have a special tax. Choke on a dick

>>3373872

'yes'

>>3375622
you're not helping your case

you're only reminding everyone why marxists should be exterminated

>>3375585
Accidents are usually due to personal choice, and those that aren't you can get insurance for. At least those who have any significant effect on your health.

>>3374217
In fact it's a common trend for the superbillionaires to precisely NOT want to leave more than a tiny fraction of their wealth to their children, to avoid them turning worthless. They leave them with just enough that they'll never lack for cash to realize their aspirations and potential, so they'd absolutely agree with the general idea of the meritocratic project (and they tend to spend the rest of their money on charities that help economically disadvantaged people progress)

>>3375633
Sounds like you're including everything that can happen, that wasn't either genetic or the fault of someone else.

>bike tyre slips, you fall, break your wrist
>transport was a personal choice!
>can't bike, so drive, have accident, foot gets mangled
>driving was a personal choice!
>car wrecked, so take the bus, but as the bus driver stops, you fall down because of foot, can't brace because of wrist, crack head
>personal choooiiice!!

>>3373711
I'd betray my family for my friends any time, in fact you and I do it all the time when we do everything with friends instead of our families.

>>3374206
>shit brainlets say
Try to think about your statement for 5 mins and then slap yourself.

>>3373547
if you stop inheritance then peope will just spend all ther money on their kids while thosekids are alive.

So teh n what ? you're going to make it illegal for parents to give their kids their investment portfolio?
then why not make it illegal for parents to buy their kids a house?
if you're going that far are you going to make it illegal for a man to spend his money buying his kid a car?

dumbass.

your way of thinking isn't precise or sustainable.
people will easily get around it unless you throw personal liberty out the window.

in a free, capitalist society a man is entitled to the sweat of his brow and can do what he wants with his money, including giving it to whomever he wants.

Besides, a meritocracy is a society where skilled, hard working people are rewarded. This is currently the case.
No part of a meritocracy requires that ONLY skilled and hard working people are rewarded.

It's if, not if and only if.

>>3375664
If you're driving with a broken wrist, then any accident is most likely your fault.
A single broken wrist is also something that is negligible if you count insurance.

Good effort OP, tho I doubt you made many of these retards think.

t. Fellow Commie

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>>3374961

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>>3374615
Good idea

>>3374364
>Literally what is the point for working for anything
The point is owning things -YOURSELF- you fucking baboon. I swear to god, this "they do it for the children" meme is a meme only held by a lower class brainwashed by vacuous capitalism propaganda. No actual billionaire thinks their children are better off with a billion dollars than they are with a house and a car.

>>3376039
The proles have to believe they're doing it for the kids because their own miserable lives don't provide them with the meaning they need to keep running in their little hamster wheels.

>>3375357
lol they ALL look like gypsies except the boy on the right who looks white

>>3375174
>>3375186
>>3375213
Why are you wasting time on this meme attention whore where there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of white women who have 8+ kids? And I'm not even counting Orthodox Jews.

>>3376078
>millions of white women with 8 kids
I wish, anon.
>not counting Orthodox Jews
And you shouldn't because jews are not white.

>>3375614
>You are being taxed when you eat you Goddard retard
It's funny because you're calling him an idiot. You get taxed when you buy things or services, not when you eat them. I can grow a garden and eat for free, I can buy food and throw it in the trash despite paying the VAT.

There is no tax on eating specifically, so you can freely pick up your own suggesting and choke on a dick you semantic dickhead.

>>3376196
>I can grow a garden and eat for free
Not without paying taxes you can't.

>I can buy food and throw it in the trash despite paying the VAT.
Yeah?

>you semantic dickhead.
Nigger you're the one playing at semantics.
Hey did you know it's not specifically a tax when you die, it's a tax on your descendants when they inherit? You know we tend to tax sources of income, right?

>>3376234
>Not without paying taxes you can't.
I literally can and literally did, with my father no less. The best tomatoes in town, if I can say so myself.

>Nigger you're the one playing at semantics.
I'm not the one who's complaining about anon jokingly complaining about a tax on eating, which doesn't exist, and then going into semantics and equating VAT with a tax on eating.

Tard

>>3373547
Who says I want a true capitalist meritocracy?

>>3376249
>I literally can and literally did
How do you manage to get away with not paying taxes on water consumption, property or buying farming/gardening equipment? I'm even willing to bet you paid more for your tomatoes than you pay for store-bought ones and a great portion of that money went to the state.

>>3376249
The point is that there's "a tax on eating" just as much as there's a "tax on dying": it doesn't exist without grossly stretching the meaning of the term.

>>3374228
so...what about tanistry?

>>3376267
Holy shit. Since when is buying gardening equipment eating. Your not taxed for eating.

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>>3373934
>you really don't understand what labor is huh?

Labor produces all wealth. Wealth belongs to the producer thereof. I'm not talking about labor, I'm talking about means. Means of production, means of distribution, means of accumulation. With these things, one does not need so much labor, one needs the labor of others. Capitalists use their means to siphon off the surplus value of labor. This is fine in the context of one lifespan, but to allow things like inheritance of company shares results in dynastic rule, and an increasing ability to siphon off more and more surplus labor value. This is the kind of leverage people should not inherit, but should work for.

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>>3376039
>No actual billionaire thinks their children are better off with a billion dollars than they are with a house and a car.

Horse feathers.
A billion dollars buys untold political and social leverage.
A house and a car are essential, but they get that in addition to the massive social power money affords.

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>>3374272
Imagine thinking a pedigree of a modern political family is the same as literal habsberbs ruling for centuries

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>>3376528
I frankly don't know wtf that is
> looks it up

Eh. Still amounts to Great Man Cronyism. I'll have to do more reading, though

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>>3373679
Bro, Tywin's badass.
But he's a piece of shit without Titus's inheritance, even though Titus was weak and feeble.

>>3373862
Go to nature and show me a meritocracy
You'll see it's just Chads bullying everyone else and fucking all the girls while Hayden dies a virgin of his wounds sustained in the mating season. Nothing is meritocratic. If you point at ants, you should mind that a colony descends from a single queen.

>>3378847
>If you point at ants, you should mind that a colony descends from a single queen.
It's not just that, due to the way ant genetics work the female siblings in the colony are actually more genetically similar to each others than they would be to their own children, so they spread their genes more effectively by working to bring more of their siblings into the world than to have children themselves, that's how they ended up as colonial organisms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplodiploidy#Relatedness_ratios_in_haplodiploidy

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People work very hard to hand things down to their children

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>>3378847
>>3378847
Sentient beings have spent the better part of written history slowly implementing meritocracy for the simple fact that it is preferable to right by might alone.

>>3373895
I would be terrified to imagine the psychological issues those children have growing up.

>>3375828
Good effort, Picard. Though I doubt you'll make many of these retard posters stop.

t. fellow Federation captain

>>3375653
That's for self-made-men-types. Most billionaires in the top 100 didn't take the Giving Pledge or do something similar.

Yeah, some of the most recognizable ones like Gates and Buffet are giving away the vast majority of their wealth to charity, but a) their children will still inherit enough that they can pursue their own pipe dreams without worrying about going broke for decades, minimum, and b) they aren't representative of most megarich, even if they are a significant faction.

>>3378865
It is only preferable when it increases the size of the total economic pie through whatever social or economic mechanism improves efficiency. Do you think it would improve efficiency and total economic output?

>>3373547
Why should someone who didn't earn my money decide what I do with it? Why do you think you're more qualified to handle my money than me?

Meritocracy does not even mention wealth redistribution in any interpretation that I know of, it only pertains to jobs and functionaries being manned by the most competent individuals rather than the most popular ones.

>>3373692
Maybe for most people blood is everything. Not for me though, I really don't give much of a crap about it. I don't know where I stand on OP's idea, just wanted to chime in on blood. I do realize I'm rare in being this way.

Charity should be to the discretion to the individual.
Fathers and Mothers have the natural right to endow their child with inheritance, as they did when they endowed them with their likenesses.
No one deserves free health care, since to "deserve" is an unnatural privilege.
Health care prices should be to the discretion of the doctor.

>>3373547

Inheritance will always come down to the individual's decisions in how it is handled. Sure you will have many very wealthy people who pass their riches down to their "undeserving" rascal kids who choose to squander what has been given to them. That is an unfortunate outcome that capitalism can create for society. At the same time, if there is a bond created in the relationship between one generation and the next, an understanding in the former and a sort of reverance in the latter for instance, inheritance is a very normal and sustainable practice to be used to prolong the benefits of capitalism. That of course, is no easy task. When there is a weak foundation for traditions and a lack in understanding of the importance of the ties to blood and family, even a basic "love" for one's own kin, you may as well toss out any ideas of giving your earned wealth away to whoever comes next for they will appear as aliens to you and there will be no reason to give them what is yours. It all comes down to how connected people are to those who share what is a very strong binder in contrast to other relatables, the blood. Sadly, nowadays race doesn't exist, borders are decaying and the lines between virtue and vice are becoming ever so blurred.

>>3373547
>meritocracy
>having your shitty genetics subsidized by the state

Nice try.

>>3379736
>nowadays race doesn't exist, borders are decaying and the lines between virtue and vice are becoming ever so blurred.
good

>>3379293
>I don't have children: the post

>>3379736
>nowadays race doesn't exist
And the sun doesn't set, earths rotation and orbit around the sun creates that illusion. Just like there being real differences between human races not because of a word used to name them, but because of underlying biology.

>>3380646

I think you misunderstood my sarcasm there at the end. Also

>still thinking we live on a globe

>>3373547
>You want a true capitalist meritocracy? Abolish inheritance
If I can not be allowed to freely trade my property with whoever and whenever I want, then it's not truly capitalistic. Barring me from trading the entirety of my property with my descendants (which is fundamentally what inheritance is) ensures that it's not "true capitalist"
And universal anything implies taxation, which is forced, which once again means that it's not "true capitalist."
So fuck off commie, your wrong on two counts

>>3378872
This kind of bilionaires are not the only rich member of their families. They usually work as a clan with strong ties and heal other member of the families as well as other ultra wealthy people they know.

>>3373547
kids are one of the greatest motivators that people have

"why do you work so hard?"
"so that my children will have a better life."

take away inheritanece and you take away this motiation

that is at least my opinion

>>3373547
So OP is jealous of kids that live good lives.

>>3383226
Because they don't want their children to have to fight their way through abject poverty. If you eliminate the threat of poverty with UBI, those people will work jobs they like because they enjoy them, which is a far better motivator for increasing the quality of labor.

>>3383489
Almost no one works because they enjoy their job. They work because they have to and because they found a job which they can tolerate enough to make the shit eating worth it, to provide their family with basic necessities and medical care.
No one wants to be average. People want to be better than their neighbor and to escape the socioeconomic caste they were born into to a higher one. They want to leave something behind for their children so they don't start at the bottom of the shitheap like they did and climb even higher. I'd work myself to the bone if it meant my grandchildren can live a life of leisure and not eat as much shit as I did.

>>3373547
You're right OP any time that a parent dies their kids should be fed to wolves by the state.
Don't worry though you probably have a couple more years of the NEET life before your parents croak and you with them.

>>3383226
This. Boomers fucked the world for generations to come simply because they didn't care about future generations. Now imagine if all people were like this.

>>3373547
Maybe not abolish inheritance but there's definitely a need to reduce amount of capital one family can accumulate. The smartest, most creative human earns less than a dumbass born into money. That's not an ideal world.

>>3383504
>Almost no one works because they enjoy their job.
Speak for yourself. Not everyone works in a dead-end service job and a lot of people work because they enjoy their job.

>>3373547
Why would i bother working if i can't live an heritage?

>>3383553
>implying intelligence isn't heritable
inb4 you post Charles II or some other outlier case of elites inbreeding

>>3383557
Goddamn this post screams privilege. Look at a fucking sulfur mining community in Indonesia and ask them if they would want to work somewhere else.

>>3383504
I don't get why you're against creating a world where no one has to suffer the way you do. We have the tools required to make sure everyone starts at least partway up the shitheap, and can choose to work fulfilling jobs that they enjoy. In what way is that a bad thing?

>>3383713
Because your definition of fulfilling will shift the moment this happens. You now have a new baseline to compare yourself to others to. We have all more conveniences at our fingertips than the highest of kings in the 15th century, and yet we still stare upwards at our social betters with envy and desire in our hearts.

>>3373598
>Where are you people when the military budget is getting discussed? You don't whine when your tax dollars are toppling democratically elected leaders in countries you've never read about

Same place presumably you are and want us to be.

>lol we waste money here why not waste it HERE too! HYPOCRITES!

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>>3373547
>You cannot give your property to other people

lick my anus

Most first-world countries already have an estate or inheritance tax.

>>3373895
That's a bad thing my dude.