Anglo-Saxons

>>3369532
They seem to love their German monarchy

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>>3369536
Would you?

>>3369532
Relieved. Celts (Irish, Welsh, Scots, Cornish) are subhuman.

Only the lowland Scots and English along the east coast are really that Germanic. Nationally only 1/3rd (I think), is germanic.

>>3369544
They all speak a germanic language as their mother tongue which makes them germanics.

They don't give a shit. It's not like the SAXONS coming from Saxony is some great shock or surprise.

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>>3369532
brits are only 30% Anglo-Saxon at most though

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>>3369682
>tfw I'm an Englishman with Blond hair, Blue eyes, an Anglo Saxon last name, a Anglo-Welsh forename, a Norman middle name, and my mother has a Celtic maiden name.
Is the UK proofs that multi kulti can work in the long run, or proofs that there truly is no such thing as a "British" ethnicity?

>>3370065
>Is the UK proofs that multi kulti can work

Yes but only if they're from a white European culture.

>>3369532
No one cares outside of imageboard autists

>>3369532
What is more amusing is how the English bang on about how they are true descendants of Celts despite having their entire culture and language GERMAN'D and their eternal rivals, the French, still have more Celtic in their language then they do.

>>3370453
Not as common as you might think: I've literally never met anyone like that. That said, I do live on the coast of the former Danelaw, so perhaps it's different elsewhere.

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>>3369532
As a Scot i get annoyed at Celtic romanticism being considered some sort of continuation of ancient Celts rather than a recent reactionary art style.
Also 90% of Scots sadly dont know they speak English because of these fine fellows.

>>3370453
I don't think anyone says that outside maybe Cornwall

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>>3369532
It's only cultural. 100,000 Saxons doesn't outbreed a population of 2,000,000 after all.

>>3369532
they're germanic speaking celts with a bit of germanic blood in the areas of the most saxon settlement

>>3371201
What is killing people?

Do you think they only settle and live peacefully with celtics?

Idiot

>>3371226
They arent celts, celts werent pale and didnt have light features


Only germanics were known to have light features

>>3371239
>>3371242
You seem mad.

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>>3371242
>celts werent pale and didnt have light features
>Only germanics were known to have light features

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>mfw Brits are Roman rape babies
>mfw Brits are Anglo-Saxon rape babies
>mfw Brits are Nordic rape babies
>mfw Brits are Norman rape babies
>mfw Brits are Pakistani rape babies

>>3369542
Well, assuming that you're English, it looks like you're about half-subhuman, buddy. I'm so terribly sorry.

>>3371201
>2,000,000
Where are you pulling this number from?

>>3369567
The French all speak a Romance language as their mother tongue, that doesn't make them Roman. Let's also not forget about the Welsh, Scottish, Irish, and Cornish languages.

>>3371648
The French are a mix of Romanized Gaulics and Germanics (Franks primarily) blanding it up. And technically speaking Latin nations are a pan-ethnic group comprised off the French, Spaniards, Portuguese, Romanians, and Italians.

>>3371201
Sure, but it certainly helped that the Anglo-Saxons probably killed a lot of male Celts and took multiple wives.

>>3369682
>Eupedia
what a brainlet

>>3371242
The original Celts were probably some of the palest Europeans. I think the majority of them probably had brown or red hair. Look at how pale redheads almost always are.

>>3371668
sup t*rk

>>3371033
>average saxon
That's an migration period anglian nobleman

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>>3371678
Seing how he got mad when me and another guy implied that MENA wasn't a thing, he is most likely a Egypsian or Mudghrebi

>>3371678
>If you point out the fact that Eupedia is trash you're t*rk!

>>3371724
Serious question, what are the problems with Eupedia? Besides Maciamo fetishizing Celts?

>>3371738
Maciamo always talks out of his ass and his sources are shady (probably because his sources are actually based on his ass)

>>3371738
>Maciamo fetishizing Celts?
he fetishizes Germanics

>>3371749
This

Maciamo is all about WE* WUZ FRANKS, WE** WUZ TRUE CELTSand he even made a map showing "Germanic" DNA

*Belgians, especially Wallons
** Belgians and West Germans

>>3371749
He fetishizes Celts even more. He claims that the Romans were genetically practically the same as Alpine Celts, and had a very similar culture to the Celts, and believes that Celts are genetically the most individualistic people in the world.
No surprise that he fetishizes both them and the Germans, as those are the groups he is descended from.

>>3371647
Different anon, the estimate I've seen for the population of late Roman Britain was more like 3-7 million (according to Peter Heather in Empires and Barbarians, pg 269).

That same source does make a note about a Y-chromosome sequence found in 75% of Englishmen tested for some study that trace back to some continental population moving to southeast Britain around the time of the Saxon migration. That doesn't necessarily point to genocide or other forceful measures, but Heather suggests that it's likely the result of favorable conditions for those migrants. What little information we do have for that time points to a Saxon takeover of the region, and according to Heather, modeling shows that even minor favorable factors for the Saxon population over the locals (which you'd expect in this situation) would only require the original migrants to be about 10-15% of the population.

>>3371800
>That same source does make a note about a Y-chromosome sequence found in 75% of Englishmen tested for some study that trace back to some continental population moving to southeast Britain around the time of the Saxon migration.


No geneticians claim that

The "Anglo-Saxon Question" was solved several years ago, samples from Roman Britain and Saxon Britain showed that Native Britons were R1b and J2, while Saxons were I1.


English are 15% I1 and around 70% R1b + J2

>>3371690
Thats the joke.
since larpers always use the sutton hoo helm....

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>>3371033
>>3369532
this one is better.

>>3372092
pretty nice but i always found the ocular helmets more threatening

Don't modern English not give a rat's ass about their Anglo-Saxon heritage? It's always about the Brythonic roots, Roman Britain, Angle-Saxons were just barbarians living in hunts, and then the glorious Normans and Plantagenets civilized England despite the fact that a lot of the foundation was built by Anglo-Saxon Kings like based Alfred the Great and his grandson Aethelstan.

>>3372151
Normans were germanic, just like Anglo-Saxons and Danes.

>>3372151
Tolkien was a huge Angloboo and he is a touchstone of modern British culture so there's that. Anyone who likes LoTR is an Angloboo whether they know it or not seeing as how it is based off their folklore and history.

>>3372178
Yeah Normans were Germanic, but basically invented the concept of modern "French" nationalism, so they were still French culturally.

>>3372178
Yeah, like 20-30% at best. They've integrated into Northern French identity so much that Rollo's grandson Richard the Fearless had to go to Bayeux and learn the Norse tongue.

>>3372187
Oh I know that. I'm an avid Anglo-Saxon fan myself despite not having a drop of English blood. It's criminal that fucking Arthur, a fairy tale king supposedly based on a Romano-Brythonic nobleman has multiple screen treatments in TV and film yet Anglo-Saxon kings barely get any depiction.

I mean, the invasions of England in 1066 have so much drama involved that it's surprising we don't get a mini-series. The only thing they ever did was that 2-part dramedy a couple years back.

>>3372218
I think you should complain more about how modern British cinema in the last 30-40 years to now has basically vilified Anglo-Saxons and Jute invaders.

>>3372218
I think the lack of Anglo-Saxon media portrayals stems from the fact that English identity is considered racist in contemporary Britain and the (((people who run the media))) don't want to do anything that could spark an interest in that period of history. It's sad really.

>>3372218
Have you seen the Last Kingdom?

>>3372235
Oh I do.

I do think that there's justification to hate on the early Angles, Saxons, Jutes, and Frisians because they overtook Brythonic culture. From the POV of 5th century Britain, the Germanic invaders were a virus that contaminated their ancestral homeland.

However, by the time the Anglo-Saxons became Christian and civilized, there's a lot to admire and respect. Northumbria was a great center of learning and arts. Wessex was the last kingdom to stem the Viking assault and preserved English identity.

Is there a specific reason why British cinema likes to hate on the Anglo-Saxons so much?

>>3372246
>they cast a swarthy actor to play Alfred and have him wear a crown with a fleur-de-lis on it
my autism was thoroughly triggered

>>3372257
>Is there a specific reason why British cinema likes to hate on the Anglo-Saxons so much?
I imagine without memery, its because of "modern sensibilities" about Anglo-Saxon roots being ignored for romanticizing the British Isle's earlier Celtic inhabitants and trying to ignore Germanic conquests.

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>>3372266
swarthy? the guy is whiter than 70% of french

>>3372246
Yes and I've read the books by Cornwell. I also watched the 1969 Alfred the Great movie.

I like how my man Alfred is finally get more exposure to the mainstream, but it's not enough in my opinion.

>>3372239
So what if a non-English person wants to depict the Anglo-Saxons? Both the good and the bad sides of their civilization. The one thing I truly can't forgive the Anglo-Saxons for is their bondage slavery and systematically absorbing the Brythonic peoples of sub-Roman Britain. But I also admire how they codified their laws, their visual arts, and their stoic warrior ethics.

>>3372274
I get that, but it's woefully ignorant and downright disrespectful to their ancestors if they do that. You can embrace Britain's Celtic roots AND its Germanic influences equally.

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>>3372279
The guy that played Ubba is intimidating. That's not how average Sven looks like.

>>3372279
>dark hair and dark eyes
>not swarthy
m8

>>3372300
that's dark brown hair and blue eyes. that's not swarthy. if you think that everyone is platinum blonde in "germanic" countries then you're wrong.

>>3372309
david dawson has brown eyes lad he looks more like a spaniard than an saxon monarch

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>>3372315
>david dawson has brown eyes
are you blind? pic related are your average anglos anyway

>>3372315
He has blue eyes in that pic.

>>3369532
DAILY REMINDER THE FIRST SO CALLED ANGLO-SAXON KING OF WESSEX, CREDIC, HAS A BRITON NAME

>>3372321
>posts britons
>calls them anglo
why are you even on the history board?

>>3371201
Well a bubonic plague depopulating the land before flooding forcing Germanic mass migration certainly leaves an impact

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>>3372329
oh, right. sorry. pic related are Anglos.

>>3372327
Indeed he does and it begs the question if his mom was a Brythonic concubine to a Germanic war chieftain.

>>3372323
in the actual series his are his natural color

>>3372340
Well Britons were being raped by everyone at the time by
>Nordic farmers fleeing flooding
>Irish sea raiders
>Pictish raiders
>Undefined other "gaels" raping

>>3372257
It's actually quite interesting to read the interaction between Northumbria and Collumkill

Actually reading about early Christian Ireland by itself is fun as fuck, they were absolute madmen who got from Iceland to fucking Scandinavia

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>>3369682
The "German" R1B arrived with Belgae and Germans 100s of years before Anglo Saxons. R1B-L21 moved eastward into Britain, from Ireland, originally coming from Brittany.

>>3369532
They aren't.
Anglos are the perfect mix of Celtic, Germanic, and Romance genes.
ANGLO PRIDE WORLDWIDE

>>3372215
>>3372178
WE WUZ

We conquered your Island and enslaved you, deal with it cucks

>>3372451
>A few French Vikings conquered the land that was once Brittania and eventually became the number one world power
History is a meme

>>3372386
I think the Romance contribution was pretty negligible. Celtic, Germanic, and Romance sounds more like France.

>>3372463
>French Vikings

>>3372151
It's because there's no lasting monuments like the Normans and Plantagenets left behind. There's only a handful of stone churches that the Anglo-Saxons built. They preferred building out of wood which doesn't last too long.

The 2 things that the Normans had over the Anglo-Saxons was proper cavalry and castles. If the Anglo-Saxons had destriers and knew how to fight on horseback as well as master the art of stone fortification, there's no way in hell William the Bastard and his descendants would've conquered the English.

>>3370302
this. White people are the race of peace.

>>3372613
Im inclined to believe that it's mostly Celtic with a sizable German percentage that increases as you go southeast. Also plenty of family likely never mixed, which is why you have some Britons who look like absolute mongrels and other British who look rather handsome.

>>3372647
THIS

The idea that Germanics slaughtered everyone in modern-day England is nonsense. Genetics show that many if not most English people have a lot of Celtic ancestry, thus Britons assimilated to the Anglo-Saxon elite. There's also heavy Norse sprinkling in the northeast thanks to the Danelaw, but hardly any Norman and other French-based DNA. Remember, the Normans only replaced the nobility and royalty, the majority of English didn't intermix with the French-speakers.

>>3372670
>Norman and other French-based DNA. Remember, the Normans only replaced the nobility and royalty, the majority of English didn't intermix with the French-speakers.
there he goes again with his Normans = French!!1111

>>3372647
The Britbong genetics thing is a meme. An island with 60 million doesn't have problems with that. I think it's more a combination of diet, lack of sunlight, and non-cosmetic dentistry that contributes to the reputation of Brits as ugly. Many of the most popular Hollywood actors and actresses are of British descent.

>>3372683
Normans are a sub-sect of French culture. Their ancestors were indeed Vikings, but they married the local women so much that by 1066, their blood only had a fraction of Scandinavian.

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>>3372643
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>3372670
Pretty much what you said, though I think Justinian's plunge depopulated Briton enough to allow the Anglo-Saxons to leave a genetic foot print in the first place.

Otherwise I would say there should be evidence of mass displacement and battles, or the Britons would truely have to be the biggest cucks in history

>>3372700
*plague

>>3372700
Also around the same time Justanians plague happened there is evidence of mass flooding on the Jutland peninsula were entire regions were depopulated, so there is how you get your Germanic population

>>3369539
She isnt part of the Royal family bi birth tho
So she isnt German

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>>3372683
u mad, britboi ?

Genetically only a few are truly Germanic.

>>3370065
It's proof that a very strong, warlike culture can completely take over a society and assimililate the larger mass of natives into their own relatively small elite ethnicity.

Which is what's gonna happen in France, Britain, Germany and Sweden within the next 100-150 years.

>>3372766
Depends on the area, I would certainly say East Angelica is majority Germanic

Northumbria on the other hand....

>>3371634
They are also Celtic rapebabies(original population was neolithic).

>>3372774
I have bad news anon, the early Germanic were farmers fleeing flooding; Meanwhile in England Justinian's plague killed almost fucking everyone

Basically Britons got Native American'd

It's only a few centuries latter that the first Anglo-Saxon kings rewrite their history they wuz always kangz, though certainly once they are established they fight amongst themselves with vigor

>>3372774
>Which is what's gonna happen in France, Britain, Germany

shitskins living out of wellfare and being protected can't be described as warlike

They can onlu live there because they are backed by the (((states)))

>>3372218
What is with Frenchies and integrating people?

The Franks lost most of their language and culture quick as fuck too.

>>3372783
Oh yeah Briton got passed around by everyone, the slut

>don't forget she took it from both sides by the Gaels and Germanic refugees at the same time

>>3371634
>mfw Brits are Pakistani rape babies
RAGE

>>3372336
Pork rinds are for true aryans only. It's what separates the wheat from the chaff.

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>>3371634
still get called inbred

>>3372806
The true redpill is that inbreed until a certain point is passed is a good thing
>genetic mutations like green eyes
I rest my case

>>3372774
Yes the 5% ethnicities with no wealth or political power will assimilate Europe, Gotcha. I suppose this means All of Europe is Gypsy because they made up a similar minority.

>>3372854
Nah probably not, can easily destabilize Europe with enough time though which will be entertaining as fuck: Europe has gotten too calm

>>3372613
Well, I'm certain Romans and the more French Norse had some small impact in some areas, and especially on the language.
But, seriously, Anglos are the best. Followed by other Brits. And non-Catholic Micks.

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>>3372640
William Rufus was a Breton, a true Briton, 2nd to William, William's right hand man and hammer of the English in the North.

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>>3372697
>posts Pax Britannica to disprove whites as a peaceful race

gg nice try m8

>>3372877
>William Rufus
kek,

ALAN RUFUS.

>>3372877
>the absolute state of the Anglican Church
>happy you blackmailed some Mick into joining your failing religion

>>3372925

ALAN RUFUS, THE BRETON, SON OF CORNWALL, CONQUEROR OF THE SAXON, LORD OF RICHMOND, HEIR TO THE BRITONS, AN ARYAN, WAS THE RICHEST BRITON IN THE HISTORY OF THE ISLAND

> apparently, according to the Daily Mail, with an estimated fortune of £81 Billion, inflation adjusted to temporary wealth

>>3369532
They really should just be call Anglo Norman

>>3373392
Norse-Latin Celts.

>>3372806
But you are. It's clear to anyone that has been in UK.

Brits can't figure out what they actually are.
>call their country "Britain" (Celtic name)
>call the inhabitants "Anglo-Saxons" (Germanic)
>genetics are mostly Celtic
>language is a Germano-French pidgin
>in the 19th century they kicked off Celtic "ancestral" revival, honoring people like Boudica, LARPing as druids
>most of the country's history has been driven by Normans who were French-speaking Danes, actual French kings, Dutchmen, Scots and Krauts from Hanover
I wouldn't call them racial mongrels because all Europeans are the same race, but they're definitely cultural and ethnic mongrels.

>>3372806
You can actually be both mixed race and inbred, it's not even that hard.

>>3374915
>language is a Germano-French pidgin
It's not. It's possible to create English without Romance involvement in it. English is a Germanic language at core.

>>3373392
It seems that you're lost here. let me help you.

Kingdoms like: Wessex, Essex, Sussex were Saxon kingdoms.
Kingdoms like: Nortumbria, Mercia, East Anglia were English.
Kent was Jutish.

It's impossible to throw out the Saxons as Wessex grew to be the strongest kingdom of all.

>>3374923
Well, it is a pidgin. It's a simplified and extremely primitive language compared to either German or French.

>>3374923
>possible
>create
>Romance
>involvement
>Germanic
>language
>core

You sure showed us

>>3375073
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_purism_in_English

>>3369532
Daily reminder that everyone in Europe alive today is descended from everyone in Europe alive 1000 years ago, so all this we wuzzing is pointless you should all kyselvs

>>3375680
Piss off leftie

>>3371647
I think it was Salway. It's quite an old book now though.

>>3372700
>Otherwise I would say there should be evidence of mass displacement and battles

There is a lot of evidence for both.

>>3371648
All those celtic languages are spoken by tiny groups especially in a country like the UK. Also yeah the french are latins.

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>>3374903
>pre-roman population of 2m
>hundreds-of-thousands arrive during the roman era
>a third of your ancestors arrive after the romans depart

>inbred

>>3372806
What's really funny is that it's usually the exact same neetsoc edgelords who say this when they're the ones really big on racial purity

>>3376634
>history ends at 1300AD

>>3376689
>british people have only bred within their families for 700 years
anon plz

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>>3376702
that >>3372336
doesn't look inbred to you? that's pretty much average anglo face

>>3376713
That guy is polish

>>3376927
He's not

>>3372315
Newsflash: Brits are more related to Iberian Celtshit than they are to Germanic Saxons.

>>3377114
>almost 2018
>people still parroting this old meme

>>3371648
>The French all speak a Romance language as their mother tongue, that doesn't make them Roman.
They unironically are though, they're Latin

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>>3377168
>PURE GERMANIC GENES

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>>3377206
>UNDILUTED TEUTONIC BLOOD

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>>3377215
>NOTHING BUT NORDIC BLOOD IN OUR VEINS

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>>3377221
>NOT A SINGLE DROP OF IBERIAN DNA

>>3372805
>Pork rinds are for true aryans only
>implying Filipinos don't lose their shit over "chicharron" and practically eat no other snack food

Am i the only one who finds the "MUH HAPLOGROUP" argument pretty fucking stupid?
No established ethnicity has 100% only one haplogroup.

If you last name is Germanic, and you speak a Germanic language, and you live like a Germanic building longhouses and shit, writing in Runes and venerating Odin n shiet, and you're not BLACK or something, you're a fucking Germanic, haplogroup be damned.

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>>3377243
There is not just single Germanic haplogroup, they're multiple ones, including clades of R1a.

>>3376634
>>3376689
>>3376702
>>3376713
Hopefully they now breed outside of their race to ensure their diversity

>>3377243
Indo Europeans and Bell Beakers were nearly 100% R1b

Irish and Welsh are still 90-95% R1b

Some Berbers are 100% E1b1b

Socotran Arabs are 80% J1

Yakuts are 80% N

And so on

>>3377277
>Indo Europeans were nearly 100% R1b
Fuck off Anglo.

>>3377302
R1b-U106 Master Race obviously ;)

>>3377277
>Indo Europeans were nearly 100% R1b
Bullshit.

>>3372218
>I mean, the invasions of England in 1066 have so much drama involved that it's surprising we don't get a mini-series.
Probably from humiliation for being subjugated by French-speakers as third-class subjects in their own land. The Norman Conquest was a brutal affair; even Rome protested how Catholic Anglo-Saxons were being treated, but Billy the Bastard and his short-haired fuckers didn't care.

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>>3377391
>Probably from humiliation for being subjugated by French-speakers as third-class subjects in their own land
>humiliation
Only Americans on /his/ think Anglos believe this
Normans and their descendants were intermarried at all levels of society within a century

>>3369567
>Native amercains speak english for first language so there just as english as Christopher Columbus.

>>3377444
That is complete bullshit. If you actually read modern scholarly works, intermarriage only happened between low-born Normans and other French-speaking continentals and landless English. And even those happened in cities. The villages and towns were largely English. The upper class rarely married Anglo-Saxons except to attain a female heiress' landholdings.

And intermarriage didn't give the English squat. Name me a dozen Englishmen who were of the baronial class in-between 1087 (the death of the Bastard) to 1204 (when Normandy was lost to Philip II). Or a high-ranking Englishmen in clergy? Wealth and power were largely concentrated in the Anglo-Normans, the English had no say in their own domestic affairs anymore. Their own language was treated as gutter speak while French and Latin was the vernacular of civilized society.

>>3371634
Dominant cuck genes

>>3377541
Nothing you have written is at odds with what I said.
Normans are the forebears of all modern English people, even if they were a tiny minority.

Sorry!