Is there a worse philosopher?

>>3364218
Hegel

Descartes

>>3364218
fuck you Rousseau is based

>>3364222
Checked and true

>>3364218
Whatever Rousseau did was not even anywhere as close to how bad the damage of Marx and Nietzche

>>3364218
Stirner.

>>3364328
You could easily claim Rousseau is actually a conservative thinker

Kant.

>>3364341

Only if you're a fag who thinks Liberalism is on the Right.

>>3364368
Not even, you could use his writings to justify aristocratic republics like Venice or even states like Sparta, which he considered superior to Athens. He's a real mixed bag

>>3364383

>superior to Athens

Of course he would.

>>3364218
You just don't like him because he triggers your insecure worldview based on emotion and /pol/ memes.

>>3364479

>Leftynigger
>lolbertarian

Don't you have rap number to perform at your Postmodernist White Guilt class?

>>3364489
I'm neither. But you just confirmed my doubts with your retort.

>>3364495

>Doesn't deny being a postmodernist

Those Niggers and Muslims sure are Noble Savages.

>>3364459
He considered Athens lacking in civic virtue, as the development of arts and science ruined man's natural disposition towards other man.

>>3364508

He must have adored Niggers.

>>3364501
You're not mentally well.

>>3364501
Noble savage wasn't even his idea
I take it you've never read anything he's written

>>3364512
Sure, whatever gets you off

>>3364218
>Thinking a certain way is bad, I get triggered just knowing certain philosophies exist

OP you are the Supreme intellectual.

>>3364514

Go attend your White Privilege class.

>>3364515

>pretending he didn't say man was better off in the far away past and praise savage tribes

>>3364368
There are many legitimate strains of liberalism on the modern American Right

>>3364555
He said that the state of nature was not possible to be reverted back to, and that many tribes we see currently were violent because they had taken the first steps out of the state of nature (developing language and agriculture, etc) but hadn't developed and virtue

>>3364568

Yeah well he was a fag. Men like Lawrence H. Keeley have shown that savages are per capita significantly more violent. Even when ignoring Niggers.

>>3364607
Cool

>>3364218
Marx wasn't a philosopher tho

>>3364328
>he still believes le kangz have powers given by sky man

>>3364632
I'm surprised we even have mods here anymore

>>3364634

>He's live in a garbage pit filling up with Shaniquas and Achmeds

>>3364625
Then what would you call him? He sure wasn't an economist or a sociologist.

>>3364686

A Rogue Jew.

>>3364686
I would say he's more of an economist than a philosopher (although not very good at either), but it's pointless to argue about it

>>3364686
A failure of an economist. Never worked a day in his life, sapped money off of his parents and Engels, took out loans that he had no intentions of paying back and turned it into "evil jewish usury" even though he was born of Jewish parents himself.Spoke about giving rights to the workers but never paid his housemaid a dime and even knocked her up and refused to acknowledge the kid.

>>3364686
You're right, he wasn't either of those too. He was an observer of the worker's movement, a communist

>>3364705
Marx claimed he was doing objective science and never really comes across as "pro-worker" outside of rhetoric, he claimed it was just something that was bound to occur

>>3364714
He believed that as industrial capitalism advanced, the worker would continually be easier to exploit. Yet he never worked or even much less stepped into a factory, even when Engels gave him the opportunity to tour a factory with him. The best way I've heard him put is "a far man writing a diet book"

>>3364725
*fat, not far

>>3364725
I don't think that you need to work a menial job to be a good economist, but his assertion that the economy was fundamentally zero sum and determined by property relations is pretty stupid, and it can't be avoided

>>3364218
He looks like Robert DeNiro in a wig

>>3364725
Is the fat man a dietician? Because I'd much rather read a diet book by a fat dietician than a skinny bimbo.

>>3364737
It's incredibly stupid, but I'd think if you were going to advocate the rights of someone so feverently that actually being in that persons place at one point would give you clarity on it. Thus, "Fat man writing a diet book"

>>3364745
Why would you read a book written by a woman in the first place?

>>3364737

>I don't think that you need to work a menial job to be a good economist, but his assertion that the economy was fundamentally zero sum

So he's a modern day Leftie.

>>3364752
Why do you think they worship him like an obelisk of righteousness? Birds of a feather flock together

>>3364748
Like I said, I don't think he actually cared much about "the workers" as people, only as a class who fit into his autistic view of history
>>3364752
Marx is generally considered a leftist economist, yes

>>3364705
Youre whole argument consists of ad hominem and nothing to do with the content of his work. You dint need to br a marxist to see how that your reasoning is awful

>>3364758
His character and way of life directly conflicts with the way he thought of economics and what rights workers should have. Preaching an ideology so vigorously and living in total contradiction of it is a good sign that what you're preaching is horse shit, if you believe it to be a superior ideology you'd imagine that the person would practice it.

>>3364756
>Marx is generally considered a leftist economist, yes

Only if you're retarded to the point of being unable to read the subtitle of Capital, sure

>>3364789
???

>>3364789
You might be actually retarded senpai

>>3364793
The subtitle says "a critique of political economy". He wasn't trying to 'invent' a new school of economics, but critiquing the body of theory behind it. "Marxian economics" is a modern bastardization

>>3364804
That doesn't go against anything I've said

>>3364705
>Never worked a day in his life
He worked as a newspaper columnist, why did you just lie?

>>3364758

I'm sure you don't see an issuw with welcoming refugees yet never living with them or moving to their countries.

>>3364218
Michel Foucault

>>3364270
>Nietzche
>damage
Nietzche's writings are basically self-help guides.

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Literally what is wrong with Nietzsche?

>>3364489
le epik meme XDD!!

>>3364705
t. /pol/tard who gets his information from Stefan Molyneux and jpegs.

>>3364755
>Marx
>popular

>>3364804

And his critique was integrated into the body of economic theory, hence 'Marxian economics'.
I know that you're dealing with a libertardian, but try not to be obtuse, mate.

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>>3364568
>He said that the state of nature was not possible to be reverted back to, and that many tribes we see currently were violent because they had taken the first steps out of the state of nature (developing language and agriculture, etc) but hadn't developed and virtue

who gives a fuck what a dumb fucking kraut thinks about anything. if i want to learn about tribal societies i wont do it from a dumb ass philosopher who cant get laid, has never been outside of europe, and hemorrhages 110% speculative bullshit about human nature.

>>3365495
>kraut

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>>3364222
This. Imagine a world without Hegel. Imagine a world without commies and nazis.

>>3364686
A historian.

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The level of discourse on this board reminds me constantly why I need to stop coming here.

4chan is a curse. A hell of our own making.

>>3364218
Voltaire

>>3367417
I can honestly say that it used to be better here. I'd take having Constantine constantly shitposting again over this garbage.

>>3364705
>even though he was born of Jewish parents himself

His parents were protestant.

>>3364725
So then what's your explanation for figures like Engels or Makhno?

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>>3367417
>>3367445
Is there hope for us? Or is it too late?
At least Constantine was fun cause you'd just call him a tranny and he'd get mad

>>3367417
>expecting high level discussions
>in 4chan

>>3367515
This board has had some good threads, back when it was too insignificant to get trolled

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Along with anyone else who eschews epistemology.

>>3364501
Postmodernism rejects 'noble savage' bullshit you stupid /pol/cuck

>>3364222
Flawless trips confirmed, fpbp.

>>3364368
Economic liberals are right-of-centre. From left to right in terms of economics it goes: Communist, Socialist, Social Democrat, Liberal, Conservative, Laissez-faire Libertarian. The only reason liberals are considered left thing is because most americans are conservatives

>>3364705
Of the 11 claims you just made, only 4 were correct.

>>3368581
This seems to be an extremely American point-of-view. In actuality, conservatism and right-wing ideologies tend to be more communitarian than economic liberals. But since we on this side of the pond have never had any form of acien regime, we decided to go with whatever our "traditions" were, took liberalism and called it conservatism. Now all the radical individualists are considered the conservatives, and the sons of the radical individualists are taking the methods of individualism and marrying them to communitarian messages, and thus we have the full-retard alt-right, bitching about "freedom" and "hierarchy" yet lacking any notion of obligation or order.

>>3368581
>The only reason liberals are considered left thing is because most americans are conservatives

Actually, it's because liberalism in essence opposed the status quo as a revolutionary leftist movement. Just because they're the status quo now doesn't remove their historical roots

>>3367417
I was thinking the same thing.
The only thing treated seriously on this board of autistic children is WW2, and they still can't it right.

>>3367441
Voltaire was great. Leibniz on the other hand...

>>3372101
Leibniz is infinitely superior to Voltaire. Voltaire was reddit personified before reddit was even a thing.

>>3364218
Nietzchean Marxism is the only truth, Anon.

>>3364745
I believe he was making a reference to the qualifications and real world observation that marx somehow mostly got away with skirting as opposed to who he was as an actual person.

>>3372268
Agreed Voltaire was an expert meme artist. But it does take some guts to write a satire about someone's entire worldview like he did with Candide. I feel like if I were Leibniz I wouldn't have any clue how to react.

>>3364368
>he thinks liberals are leftist
Bay of Pigs invation was such a leftist even wasn't it???

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>>3373126
Nah, Groucho Marxism is the true ascended Philosophy

>>3364218
>Asks is there a worse philosopher
>Names two he considers worse

>>3364515
What are your thoughts on the Social Contract?

>>3371873
It is amusing to read the stupid things people say tho. Uninformed people relying on memes to make historical points, never building research on actual primary text material

>>3372268
>reddit personified before reddit was even a thing.

What does that even mean?

>>3374585
It probably makes us all more stupid tho, and it gets really old, really fast.

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>>3365376
self-help guides from a mentally ill guy who died of dementia at the age of 56

>>3364222
Trips of truth.

Yeah, when literally nobody but you (and the jury's out even on that) understands what the fuck you're getting at and they turn it into Marxism ya dun goofed.

>>3375005
Better to die insane and suicidal as an extremely proficient writer and philosopher than a satisfied wageslave.

Self-help is not about happiness, it should make you less happy and less satisfied.

>>3374530
I read it a while ago, so I don't really remember much

>>3364347
The only informed poster itt

Well, how about Charles Darwin? His theory of evolution and the "survival of the fittest" is probably the main inspiration for all the thinkers of the 19th century, especially all the racist ones.

>>3373486
>Groucho Marxist-Lenonnism

>>3364218
Kill yourself, you disgusting freedom-loving capitalist swine.

The guillotine is waiting.

>>3380000
Get out of here clack

>>3364218
are you retarded

>>3364222
Trips of truth.

>>3364222
>>3366783

I've never quite understood the relationship between totalitarianism and Hegel. Anybody care to explain?